Video: Ron Paul, Bircheresque crank

posted at 1:39 am on May 10, 2007 by Allahpundit

I’ve got nothing to add to Ace’s post. Just wanted to make sure people head over there and watch the clip so they’ll have it in mind the next time this guy’s taken seriously by his fan club at Reason magazine or certain newstainment shows that really ought to know better. How he managed to parlay his Bircheresque crankery and cult-hero status among bottom-feeding Internet conspiracy theorists into a spot in the Republican debates is beyond me, but I guess there’s always room for someone who can work up a good head of steam about the Federal Reserve.

Here’s an example. No need to listen to the whole thing, just the part between 1:30 and 2:00 if you’re counting up or 4:30 and 4:00 if you’re counting down. The man he’s chatting with is Alex Jones, one of the leading lights of the Truther movement and a crackpot so well and fully cracked that he believes Cho Seung-Hui might have been a government assassin brainwashed by the CIA to perpetrate the VTech massacre as a pretext for rolling back Second Amendment rights.

This wasn’t the first time Paul appeared on his radio show, and I’m sure it won’t be the last.


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Who is Ron Paul?

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 10, 2007 at 1:42 AM

1940….America Firster…..put him back in the time machine and let Hoover deal with him.

Limerick on May 10, 2007 at 1:51 AM

Liberals loooooove this guy.

Bad Candy on May 10, 2007 at 2:09 AM

About as entertaining as this guy.

No wonder Republicans are divided. Shoots!

Kini on May 10, 2007 at 2:23 AM

Someone, please tell me we’re not headed toward a North American Union. Because, well, that would just be a sign that the end times are REALLY close. Seriously, this would totally ruin most of my plans for the future…

FRED WE NEED YOU IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO STOP THIS INSANITY!!!!

The one area that Bush made me mad, has been the border…. and here’s where Tancredo seems to have been right….

j_ehman on May 10, 2007 at 2:30 AM

Damn, AP – we have a lot of guests on…doesn’t mean we take any of ‘em seriously! Or them us! Or us us!

For chrissakes, we had Kucinich on the show, and I’m guessing his own wife doesn’t take him seriously!

Guess what? Right now we’re a fringe show, so sometimes we get fringe guests. That’s starting to change, and nobody’s happier about that than us.

(Don’t worry, though: there’ll always be room on Red Eye for your personal favorite, America’s Funnyman Neil Hamburger.)

Oh, and I believe he’s in the debates because he meets the (extremely low) thresholds that were set:

“All the candidates met the established criteria to participate in the debate, said South Carolina Republican Party Communications Director Rob Godfrey. That included filing the appropriate paperwork establishing an exploratory committee, paying the appropriate fees to appear on the South Carolina Republican Party primary ballot and garnering at least 1 percent in state and national polling conducted between April 1-3 by FOX News and Opinion Dynamics.”

Levy on May 10, 2007 at 2:37 AM

Ace is on stronger ground with his Gulf on Tonkin clip than you are here. The NAU theory is more reality-based than the idea that we can liberalize Iraq. And with a lower body count for being wrong besides!

Go ahead and slap him for dealing with Alex Jones, but have a little mercy on those of us who recognize that American sovereignty really is under assault from both parties and the press and the business world, notwithstanding irrelevant semantic details about whether we call it a North American Union or whatever. And also that the same ruling class is united in the idea that we must integrate with Muslims, not separate, and only disagree on how we can all get along with them (multicultural surrender vs. imperialize them into rapid liberal reform).

The fundamental point is that our ruling class is as dedicated to abolishing America as the EU’s ruling class is to erasing the nation-states over there. Semantics about actually declaring something called the “North American Union” or dubious speculation about the “amero” is a sideshow. The leaders of the GOP are passionately opposed to controlling immigration, and in denial about the prospects of reforming the Muslim world (nil). That doesn’t leave us non-deluded patriots a very nice choice. I don’t doubt your patriotism, Allah, but you have to understand: those of us without your illusions about colonizing Muslim countries and the idea that immigration isn’t an emergency priority above all other issues because the entire ruling class aligned against us…well, we’re a little at loss for options. Smart, security-conscious guys like you are ready to settle—or is “settle” being too generous?—for Giulaini, and he sued the federal government to keep public services for illegal aliens running.

And while I wish Paul hadn’t gone on with Jones, with the ruling class infested with open borders traitors from the NYT to WSJ editorial, complete with regular, arrogant slanders of racism against anyone with a realistic understanding of tribalism, I can’t credit your standards for who’s beyond-the-pale.

Alex K on May 10, 2007 at 2:50 AM

Hey Levy, you can have the Maxim Truther girl on anytime you like, just don’t give her a microphone. :D

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 10, 2007 at 2:53 AM

Ron Paul, isn’t he a white reggae artist? No wait, that’s Sean Paul… What were we talking about?

Seriously though, this guy further proves a point I’ve held for a long time: Never trust someone who’s last name is also a first name. Somethin’ just ain’t right about anyone with two first names like that.

Alex Jones, one of the leading lights of the Truther movement and a crackpot so well and fully cracked that he believes Cho Seung-Hui might have been a government assassin brainwashed by the CIA to perpetrate the VTech massacre as a pretext for rolling back Second Amendment rights.

In fairness, his sister works for a State Dept. contractor who’s parent company’s president and another board member are on the Council on Foreign Relations, which as we all know are on of the tent polls of the Illuminati. It’s likely that when he was “evaluated”, he was really on an island being brainwashed like in the Manchurian Candidate. So, please AP, drop the arrogance and cut the well meaning and ingenuous Alex Jones some slack here!

RightWinged on May 10, 2007 at 2:54 AM

Oh, and if anyone cares to step in to that world (what I just spoke of – Cho’s sister working for a company run by the Illuminati, etc.), have fun http://cryptogon.com/?p=636 (though I’m sure there’s much more out there, I just had this link from when the Cho story was still hot)

RightWinged on May 10, 2007 at 2:55 AM

Also,

How do hotels get away with having CNBC and The Weather Channel, but not Fox News, the highest rated cable news network in America?

I have missed RedEye two days in a row now and am undergoing serious withdrawel.

Someone on RedEye once said that the show was made for Insomniac, Right Wing Pot smokers. I didn’t know we were a big enough demographic to get our own show.

:)

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 10, 2007 at 2:58 AM

Never trust someone who’s last name is also a first name.

Personally, I never trust anyone whose first or last name is also a middle name.

stonemeister on May 10, 2007 at 3:43 AM

In case Levy dips back in, I just wanted to pass along my take on tonight’s Red Eye (because my opinion matters):

Billy West – Couldn’t be less funny… unless he was Rachel
Larry the Cable Guy – Hilarious as always

I know you hate when guests step on your Half Time Report Levy, and it’s understandable why, but at least Larry was funny while doing it. Usually it’s just annoying because guests don’t get the format of the show. Was it Laurie Dhue who recently ruined it? I can’t remember which Fox News Fox it was, but I believe it was Dhue.

RightWinged on May 10, 2007 at 3:47 AM

Smirk all you want, if I can’t have Fred, Ron Paul is my second choice. I would rather Ron Paul be President than ANY Democrat. How can you not like a guy with the guts to say this?

Security and Liberty
by Ron Paul

The senseless and horrific killings last week on the campus of Virginia Tech University reinforced an uneasy feeling many Americans experienced after September 11th: namely, that government cannot protect us. No matter how many laws we pass, no matter how many police or federal agents we put on the streets, a determined individual or group still can cause great harm. Perhaps the only good that can come from these terrible killings is a reinforced understanding that we as individuals are responsible for our safety and the safety of our families.

Although Virginia does allow individuals to carry concealed weapons if they first obtain a permit, college campuses within the state are specifically exempted. Virginia Tech, like all Virginia colleges, is therefore a gun-free zone, at least for private individuals. And as we witnessed, it didn’t matter how many guns the police had. Only private individuals on the scene could have prevented or lessened this tragedy. Prohibiting guns on campus made the Virginia Tech students less safe, not more.

The Virginia Tech tragedy may not lead directly to more gun control, but I fear it will lead to more people control. Thanks to our media and many government officials, Americans have become conditioned to view the state as our protector and the solution to every problem. Whenever something terrible happens, especially when it becomes a national news story, people reflexively demand that government do something. This impulse almost always leads to bad laws and the loss of liberty. It is completely at odds with the best American traditions of self-reliance and rugged individualism.

Do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, and metal detectors? Do we really believe government can provide total security? Do we want to involuntarily commit every disaffected, disturbed, or alienated person who fantasizes about violence? Or can we accept that liberty is more important than the illusion of state-provided security?

I fear that Congress will use this terrible event to push for more government-mandated mental health programs. The therapeutic nanny state only encourages individuals to view themselves as victims, and reject personal responsibility for their actions. Certainly there are legitimate organic mental illnesses, but it is the role of doctors and families, not the government, to diagnose and treat such illnesses.

Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference. Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. Liberty has meaning only if we still believe in it when terrible things happen and a false government security blanket beckons.

Lehuster on May 10, 2007 at 8:11 AM

Lehuster on May 10, 2007 at 8:11 AM

Dude, how much lunatic are you willing to overlook? It’s a serious question. Everyone on the planet has at least 1 line of decent reasoning in them – hell, one of my favorite quotes is from Caligula – but how much looney can you really glaze over?

Ron Paul may support gun rights, but only because he’s watching the skies for the FBI flying saucers they reverse-engineered at Area 51.

Lehosh on May 10, 2007 at 9:09 AM

hell, one of my favorite quotes is from Caligula

Let them hate us so long as they fear us? lol

EnochCain on May 10, 2007 at 9:14 AM

EnochCain on May 10, 2007 at 9:14 AM

Of course.

But there is also, “A great book is like a great evil.”

Lehosh on May 10, 2007 at 9:29 AM

hell, one of my favorite quotes is from Caligula

Let them hate us so long as they fear us? lol

EnochCain on May 10, 2007 at 9:14 AM

Actually that was allegedly from Tiberius, not Caligula. Ron Paul ought to be drummed out of the Republican Party along with his domestic partner Pat Buchanan.

Hilts on May 10, 2007 at 9:43 AM

Guess what? Right now we’re a fringe show, so sometimes we get fringe guests. That’s starting to change, and nobody’s happier about that than us.

Levy on May 10, 2007 at 2:37 AM

Just please, please, PLEASE no Geraldo!

Connie on May 10, 2007 at 9:49 AM

Wow, you guys are serious, eh? Will someone please send me the link where Paul becomes a “truther” — that is, where he suggests that 9/11 was an “inside job”?

Drum on May 10, 2007 at 10:43 AM

Ron Paul is really the ONLY person in the Republican Party who is going to run for president that is worthy of a vote. He stands for liberty and getting government out of the Nanny business. Unfortunately, many Republicans have no problem using the big hammer of the State and only differ from Democrats in what it is used for. Can anyone here defend the growth of government and the budget over the past eight years? How is Bush standing up for liberty besides fighting the war against those who have declared war against us?

King of the Britons on May 10, 2007 at 11:00 AM

Again, not really a “libertarian” so much a conspiratorially-minded populist demogogue with the kind of ruthlessly reductivist thinking required by the simple-minded to make sense of a complex world.

I am going to start calling Ace The Umpire because he calls em likes he sees em.

You want to see the Ron Paul, um, ring of self-love, go over to Digg. Its frightening.

BohicaTwentyTwo on May 10, 2007 at 11:10 AM

For chrissakes, we had Kucinich on the show, and I’m guessing his own wife doesn’t take him seriously!
Levy on May 10, 2007 at 2:37 AM

Not that you’re looking for scary fringe guests, but check out the Mrs.’s site – She thinks he’s the greatest thing since Gaia.

eeyore on May 10, 2007 at 11:15 AM

King of the Britons on May 10, 2007 at 11:00 AM

Ron, is that you?

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 10, 2007 at 1:28 PM

Do I hear a (south park) conspiracy theory theme song coming on?

starflyer on May 10, 2007 at 2:59 PM

Ron Paul is really the ONLY person in the Republican Party who is going to run for president that is worthy of a vote. He stands for liberty and getting government out of the Nanny business.

Don’t forget that he’s also the only Republican candidate who’s on record making openly racist and anti-Israel statements, sympathetic to the “Truther” movement and who’ll speak “truth to power” by suggesting that the US will stage an attack in order to start a war with Iran, and believes that if we just leave those poor oppressed Islamic terrorists alone, they’ll leave us alone too.

But you go ahead and throw your vote away on him in the primaries- I’m sure RINOs like McCain and Rudy won’t mind a bit.

Hollowpoint on May 10, 2007 at 3:43 PM

Lots of informal fallacies floating around in here. Somehow I don’t think Paul is as whacked as some are making him out to be. I don’t support the man, for the same reason I don’t support Tancredo (wasted vote), but the particularly vicious attacks on his character are raising more than a few red flags with me.

The man is functionally a libertarian, and is supremely (maybe pathologically) distrustful of aggregated power, be that corporate or government. He’s not a truther, and this Alex Jones, guilt by association canard is a bit weak.

spmat on May 10, 2007 at 5:12 PM

The man is functionally a libertarian, and is supremely (maybe pathologically) distrustful of aggregated power, be that corporate or government. He’s not a truther, and this Alex Jones, guilt by association canard is a bit weak.

It’s not “guilt by association” for simply going on the Alex Jones program- it’s that he went on not to counter the idiotic “truther” claims, but to sympathise with them by throwing in his hat with the likes of Kucinich.

Combine that with his suggestion that the US government would stage an attack to start a war with Iran, there’s pretty good reason to believe that he’s at least willing to sypmathise with the “truthers”, if not agree with them to some extent.

You might have also missed some of the racist and anti-Israel statements he’s made. Taken as a whole, I’m pretty comfortable questioning his character even if I do agree with many of his views.

Hollowpoint on May 10, 2007 at 5:29 PM

I know you hate when guests step on your Half Time Report Levy, and it’s understandable why, but at least Larry was funny while doing it.

RW: I don’t mind it at all, when the guest is funny. Larry actually said to me afterwards that he was sorry if he stepped on my stuff, and I told him exactly that. Super nice guy, btw.

Levy on May 10, 2007 at 5:58 PM

By the way, AP, Red Eye is not “newsertainment,” it’s “newtertainment.” Or as I like to spell it, “neutertainment.”

Levy on May 10, 2007 at 5:59 PM

I’m finally catching up to last night’s RedEye on Tivo and I just watched that HalfTime report that was some funny stuff.

You and Larry should do a movie together, one that you can take your maid to go see.

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 10, 2007 at 6:15 PM

Our government does things that we don’t want it to do. Just how much? I’m sure that even the upper levels of government don’t know. Should there be less federal government? Absolutely. Are the IRS and the Federal Reserve concepts that should be questioned, and potentially eliminated? Absolutely, along with the Education and Homeland Security Departments.

And there any semblance to the positions of Ron Paul end. If he doesn’t believe that 9/11 was aided by inside interests, he certainly failed to say so to people who do believe it. That lends a certain supposition of tacit approval to their opinions. The statement he made in the previous debate that we brought 9/11 upon ourselves through our foreign policy is more than enough to make sure that he is unelectable. Find my post from the Memorial Day thread for a (incomplete) list of linked dates of Islamic attacks against American interests.

Conservative Americans are for America first, not necessarily America only, and the isolationist stance doesn’t play well with the reality ‘on the pavement’.

The shame of all this, is that his positions that have real merit and value for our nation’s future are overshadowed by his less rational ideologies. To paraphrase a long-standing military axiom, it only takes one “oops” to wipe out a hundred “atta-boys”. He’s got many “oops” against him.

Freelancer on June 7, 2007 at 12:19 PM

The Amero?

What’s this guy smoking?

Wait, wait…

I know this one…

Mephistefales on July 11, 2007 at 10:20 PM

Wow, Hot Air was trying to take down the lunatic, crank, “fringe” candidate very early on in the race, even though he had no chance of winning. I was neo-conned in 2007. No longer. I am a 100%, committed Ron Paul supporter.

iamse7en on January 16, 2011 at 5:00 PM