Quote of the day
posted at 10:45 pm on May 10, 2007 by Allahpundit
“On March 11, 2004, just days before the voting booths opened, multiple bombs planted by an al-Qaida-linked cell exploded on Madrid trains, killing 191 people and injuring 1,755. Directly because of this, Aznar and his party lost in the polls, and the Socialists, the major party with an antiwar platform, were elected to power. The U.S.-led coalition shrunk with the loss of the Spanish troops. Whereas millions of peaceful activists voting in the streets like good sheep have not weakened the brutal occupation in any measurable way, a few dozen terrorists willing to slaughter noncombatants were able to cause the withdrawal of more than a thousand occupation troops.
So much for the victories of pacifism.
The Madrid bombings do not present an example for action, but rather, an important paradox: Do people who stick to nonviolent tactics that have not proved effective in ending the war against Iraq really care more for human life than the Madrid terrorists? From India to Birmingham, nonviolence has failed to sufficiently empower its practitioners, whereas the use of a diversity of tactics got results. Put simply, if a movement is not a threat, it cannot change a system that is based on centralized coercion and violence.”










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Ghandi and Martin Luther King kind of Pacifism only works in benign democracies. You never hear of an Islamic Ghandi or a Nazi Martin Luther King.
Pacifisim only needs the Courage to stand up to those that mean you no harm.
William Amos on May 10, 2007 at 10:55 PM
So according to this person, if you care about human life you have to kill some innocent people. Oh Peter Gelderloos, you silly rascal.
Dash on May 10, 2007 at 10:59 PM
If history is any guide, the left will follow the same trajectory that resulted in the antiwar movement spawning violent groups like the Weatherman.
I think it’s fair to say that it’s only a matter of time before the antiwar movement fully morphs into a pro-terror organization that results in murder.
Sydney Carton on May 10, 2007 at 11:03 PM
Just as soon as they can make it a crime to be white, republican, christian, heterosexual, and a capitalist.
rockhauler on May 10, 2007 at 11:26 PM
Ghandi professed pacifism, but he knew, and the British knew, that if he died from his hunger strike India would errupt in violence. I know he’s a sacred cow (heh) to a lot of people, but he knew perfectly well that he had hundreds of millions of people willing to riot and rebel if England did not withdraw.
Bad Penny on May 10, 2007 at 11:27 PM
The first time I read through this I thought it was restating Orwell’s point that Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist and that it was ineffective in stopping the Madrid bombings.
No, no, no. Pacifism was ineffective in stopping Aznar. Al Qaeda, he says, was effective.
God help us. It’s 1968 again.
see-dubya on May 10, 2007 at 11:34 PM
he gets the general idea that “anti-war protests don’t work” but other than that, he’s just another left-wing nutjob
I mean… seriously, a De-facto state of segregation? is that some kind of joke? because the people that have all the capability of going somewhere and doing something with their lives choose not to it’s a De-facto state of segregation? I really don’t think so.
j_ehman on May 10, 2007 at 11:36 PM
BDS – the new cure for pacifism. They have felt so entitled to the reigns of government for the last 7 years – when they loose in 08 they are going to go completely ape $h!t. I hope the national guard is back in Kansas by then. (sarc)
Buck Turgidson on May 10, 2007 at 11:38 PM
Bob's Kid on May 10, 2007 at 11:41 PM
Oh man. I’m screwed.
But at least I am a woman. So ha! My saving grace.
Bob's Kid on May 10, 2007 at 11:42 PM
The Left knows full well that pacifism, or any “non-violent solution” will not work against Islamic jihad. That, in fact, is why they advocate such things – specifically because they will not work. The goal of the Left is always and forever the defeat of the West and its freedoms, so anything that will help bring about that is a tactic they’ll use. What has surprised me somewhat is how long they are taking this time to advocate violence in support of their Islamist allies (though some, like Michael Moore, have done this obliquely). The modern version of Jane Fonda cavorting with the Vietcong (maybe, Sean Penn hoisting a rifle with Hezbullah?) must be just around the corner…
Halley on May 10, 2007 at 11:51 PM
In the long run of history, only those who cared passionately enough about their various causes are the ones who have tasted success.
Logistical superiority is nice, but is not enough to defeat an entrenched, popular, heartfelt resistance. Ours is a war that will have to be fought on many fronts: the battle-front (of course) will have to be fought without remorse; the political front is ever-present here in the US and in Iraq; the propaganda front (which we are sadly losing); and the who has the most Malkins front, which is sadly going to be given away if our present Congressional “leadership” has their way.
Anyone who thinks pacifism will win “hearts and minds” is unaware or nonattentive to recent geopolitical realities.
Seeing the world through rose-colored glasses might be a pleasant bit of escapism, but this is not peacetime.
This is a war to decide the future of the planet.
hillbillyjim on May 10, 2007 at 11:52 PM
I know that in my younger more aggressive days as a school yard bully, I never picked on the kid that wouldn’t fight back and I never ever laughed at the spreading stain in his pants.
TBinSTL on May 11, 2007 at 12:15 AM
So when are the protests going to take place in Syria, Iran and N. Korea?
Rick on May 11, 2007 at 12:42 AM
As the great Ronald Reagan once said…
If it takes a bloodbath, let’s get it over with.
It’s too bad for the left that our side has most of the guns…
packsoldier on May 11, 2007 at 12:49 AM
“I don’t comprehend this quote but I know I’m against it” –Cindy/Rosie/Maxine Waters/etc/etc
Entelechy on May 11, 2007 at 1:01 AM
Don’t be too fooled by these people, many of them have guns also – they just don’t want everybody else to have them as well. It’s like the global warming preaching that they do. The rules they want in place aren’t really for them because they are the “enlightened” ones. For them it’s:
“Do as I say, not as I do” – just ask Michael Moore and his armed bodyguards
Rick on May 11, 2007 at 1:07 AM
Isn’t that war Armageddon?
Mojave Mark on May 11, 2007 at 1:29 AM
Right conclusions, wrong enemy.
baldilocks on May 11, 2007 at 1:39 AM
You know that, baldilocks. I know that. But to these folks islamic terrorists are a creation of the Right, and will go their peaceful way once the Right is subdued. Their self-delusion is only exceeded by…well, nothing I can think of, actually.
Mr. Bingley on May 11, 2007 at 7:35 AM
Pacifism has never worked. It has never stopped a dictator, it has never won a war, it has never defeated an army. And it isn’t peace, it is apeasement at the cost of someones elses life. They ask for others to sacrifice for their peace or well being (sound familiar? you give up your rights so Gore can fly the planet and make millions)
In the so-called peace movement, rocks were thrown, police beaten, national monuments defaced and destroyed, people holding a different view were shouted down, speakers with another belief were attacked and not allowed on campuses. Daily marches through the campuses of Univeristies in the name of peace (while many students were there to just get an education and provide for a family), then the destruction of the administration by “sit-ins” where records and offices were destroyed. The “pacifists” were supported and organized by the communist party, designed to disrupt, and tear down society.
Pretty much the same as today, they just can’t get enough people to march lock step, so they now have enlisted the courts to help, along with the MSM.
right2bright on May 11, 2007 at 8:55 AM
There are protests in Iran all the time. Can’t protest in Syria cause Pelosi assisted Assad in his crackdown. Can’t do anything in North Korea except hope you’re not tortured/starved to death.
aengus on May 11, 2007 at 9:11 AM
“The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty first, the ‘love of soft living’ and the get-rich-quick-theory of life”—Teddy Roosevelt
Pacifism isn’t about saving peoples lives, it is everything to do with cowardice.
Speakup on May 11, 2007 at 9:42 AM
Is it just me or does pacifism/anti war always seem to take offense only at fighting BACK? I never could quite get a handle on this.
Bobber on May 11, 2007 at 10:35 AM
Nice post, I agree.
Speakup on May 11, 2007 at 12:15 PM