Audio: Radio talk show hosts Opie and Anthony talk about forced sex with Condoleezza Rice Updated with a correction/retraction Update: Correction
posted at 2:40 pm on May 10, 2007 by Ian
Strong content warning:
Radio talk show hosts Opie and Anthony — yes, the same Opie and Anthony made infamous by a church sex stunt in 2002 — talked about raping the Secretary of State on their XM program this morning. The two went in an in-depth discussion describing the would-be situation. Quite disgusting.
Here’s how Breitbart.tv describes the skit:
Warning: Extremely Vulgar Language. Shock Jocks Opie and Anthony engage in discussion about forced sex with the Secretary of State. A studio guest begins describing the scenario as the hosts laugh and encourage him. Anthony talks about the horror for Rice as the guest is “holding her down” and assaulting her.
Well XM, is this the kind of filth you want to be known for?
(bp)
Update (Bryan): To our Hot Air readers, we apologize. We got this one wrong. We relied on the description of Opie & Anthony’s stunt as it appeared on Breitbart.tv, and that description turned out to be erroneous. The segment aired yesterday, not today, and wasn’t a pre-planned skit. Brietbart.tv has changed its description of the segment to reflect the facts. We apologize for our error.
Update (Ian): I’ll inject my two-cents here. It doesn’t matter if the words came from O&A’s mouth or “Homeless Charlie’s,” the fact remains they facilitated and humored this garbage that doesn’t belong on the airwaves, public or private.
Correction/update from Breitbart.tv:
Please correct the item on your site that says the information
on Breitbart.tv was erroneous.The time stamp of our posting has not changed since we put
it up and at no time did we indicate that it was from Thursday’s
broadcast.And at no time did we indicate that it was a pre-planned skit.
So both of the assertions in the posting now on your site are
incorrect.Thank you,
Scott Baker
VP Business Development/Breitbart.com
Co-Founder/Breitbart.tv
We stand corrected and apologize for the errors/confusion. (bp/mm)
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The saying “Fool me once, shame on you – fool me twice, shame on me” comes to mind…
JinxMcHue on May 10, 2007 at 2:44 PM
Wow. “Edgy.”
Good Lt on May 10, 2007 at 2:53 PM
Look.
Up in the sky!
It’s a bigot. It’s a hypocrite. Yes!
It’s ‘race riot’ al sharton to the rescue!! And he drags a deluge of leftist media in his wake to champion dissed & oppressed minorities everywhere (as long as the $$ is good) while forever….
Oops. Nevermind. It was just a republican being trashed.
“Hello. FBI?”
locomotivebreath1901 on May 10, 2007 at 2:54 PM
The thing is they’re on satellite now where they’re more free to do stuff like this, so I don’t think anyone was “fooled” really.
RightWinged on May 10, 2007 at 2:55 PM
And this is supposed to be hip and edgy?
Guess I’m just an old fuddy-duddy then, as I don’t find it acceptable at all.
Bob's Kid on May 10, 2007 at 2:56 PM
I’ve missed 2 O&A shows in the past year and a half since I got back from overseas. This clip, which I heard live yesterday, then again on the replay twice yesterday is taken LUDICROUSLY out of context. Seriously, y’all are way off the reservation on this one. First, it was on XM, which is a subscription service. Second, the “guest” was a homesless guy they brought into the studio after he was talking to them on the street. Third, Anthony was goofing on the homeless guy, not Condoleeza. He referred to her being held down and making faces because NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WANTED TO BE NEAR THE HOMELESS GUY WHO STUNK. As a matter of fact, they even kept him in a different room.
Are O&A vulgar? Yes, of course they are, which is why they are shock jocks. As they say, “Don’t come to us for the news anymore than you go to CNN for fart jokes.” However, this is so out of context I can’t even tell you.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 2:57 PM
These guys are trying to get Satellite radio off the runway. This is a publicity stunt. They are doing this for the sole purpose of getting in the news.
They are trying to capitalize on the whole Imus thing. How rotten and vile are these two morons.
This is not free speech. It’s pathetic. Congratulations losers. You are back in the news again.
robman27 on May 10, 2007 at 2:58 PM
Either way… legitimate beef or taken out of context… it’s just another story with no meaning and no consequence with absolutely no progress being made on the important issues of our day. Very typical.
It’s satelite radio.
Griz on May 10, 2007 at 3:03 PM
And the way you describe this is not even remotely close. Opie and Anthony weren’t the ones discussing it, it was Charlie the Homeless guy, and then Anthony goofing on him.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 3:04 PM
Exactly, satellite radio is for people to listen to entertainment or sports or even occassionally the news. It’s not like they were on PBS advocating snuff films with Elmo.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 3:05 PM
It won’t load for me. Is it funny? Or just sick?
Kevin M on May 10, 2007 at 3:09 PM
It’s really just sick. It was worse at the time, because the description of the guest was rather disturbing. Wasn’t really funny then either in my opinion, but they talk nonstop for 4 hours a day, sometimes it stinks, sometimes it’s gold. You really aren’t missing anything.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 3:11 PM
It must suck to have so little talent that you need to resort to stuff like this to amuse youre pathetic audience, a couple of real douchebags.
Viper1 on May 10, 2007 at 3:23 PM
Yeah, rape is fucking hilarious.
violet on May 10, 2007 at 3:25 PM
1. Guy 1: That’s vile!
Guy 2: That’s art
Guy 1: Oh, ok then.
2. I didn’t rob the bank, I only drove the car.
- The Cat
MirCat on May 10, 2007 at 3:26 PM
Related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7I4IbumnqM
lorien1973 on May 10, 2007 at 3:27 PM
I thought we were all about free speech here? If it is vile, don’t turn it on. And “rape” wasn’t even stated, I suppose it wouldn’t have been rape if Condi willingly wanted to fornicate with a homeless drunkard on the street. Now, I suppose that would be significantly less offensive?
I’m really entirely flabbergasted. Condi Derangement Syndrome? These guys couldn’t be less political. If you classified them, they certainly wouldn’t be liberals or BFEE people.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 3:29 PM
They’re on the CBS payroll. WIll they be held to a lower standard than Imus?
Where’s Al Sharpton and his bullhorn to castigate them for denigrating a strong African-American woman?
JammieWearingFool on May 10, 2007 at 3:30 PM
If this was on the Daily Kos and they were talking about Hillary the response would be: I hope their daughters get raped.
Tim Burton on May 10, 2007 at 3:35 PM
Um, perhaps you can point out above where anyone suggested otherwise.
saint kansas on May 10, 2007 at 3:49 PM
But they were only talking about that house slave Condoleezza. Why would anyone be upset?
Theworldisnotenough on May 10, 2007 at 4:04 PM
Would anyone have ever even dreamed of putting any other Secretary of State into such a disgusting scenario? General Colin Powell?
Vulgarity, gross demeaning of the individual, and the Left are never far apart from each other.
naliaka on May 10, 2007 at 4:10 PM
Find me a speech in there and then we’ll talk.
- The Cat
MirCat on May 10, 2007 at 4:14 PM
Look, while I might disagree with what they say, I’m a fan of the show. They’re offensive and over the edige, but that’s what they do. It’s an adult show, for adult listeners. They don’t rip any more on conservatives than they do liberals, and often-times they’re focus is the ivory tower liberal. They’re not rascist…and they’re not on public airwaves. The guest is an idiot, and being showcased for being an idiot.
I’m going to have to take a step back and say people need to lighten up. It’s a service you pay for, and the fans know what they get. I don’t think there needs to be manufactured outrage over this one. People, of course, who don’t listen to the show, will be enraged that hosts with “no talent” (this is of course based on the opinions of people who again, don’t listen to the show) can continue to entertain.
StoutRepublican on May 10, 2007 at 4:18 PM
Its satellite radio. People get it so they can listen to adult content. No. Big. Deal.
What’s with Hot Air lately? One day they are all about free speech with the lawsuit teamup with America-hating Electronic Frontier Foundation, and the next they want to silence entertainers on a paid-programming medium?
Can’t have it both ways you guys.
BelchSpeak on May 10, 2007 at 4:21 PM
I don’t think anyone is trying to silence anyone. I think that when radio guys (with a track record) do stupid things they should be called stupid.
robman27 on May 10, 2007 at 4:44 PM
Spoken like the true quarter inch pricks they are.
bloggless on May 10, 2007 at 4:46 PM
I’m sure Al Sharpton will be on this immediately. (HAHAHA!!!)
amerpundit on May 10, 2007 at 4:46 PM
“Adult content”? I’d say that it sounds more like some little boys trying to overcome their “shortcomings”.
bloggless on May 10, 2007 at 4:47 PM
The problem is…the people who are judging it as stupid (and if the standard holds as the Imus incident dictates) are the people who are linking to an out of context 2 minute audio clip because it mentions Condi, then extrapolating motivations, racism, political leanings and then writing sponsors, stations, afifliates.
I like this show.
By my standards, Jim Norton and Anthony Cumia are conservatives!! (Opie not so much). It makes for a entertaining, and regularly offesnsive show. Again, it’s a pay service that can be blocked, there is no accidental exposure.
StoutRepublican on May 10, 2007 at 4:50 PM
Christ…with these enlightened critiques you’d think I was getting my daily entertaining dose of Kos…what web site am I on?
StoutRepublican on May 10, 2007 at 4:51 PM
Hey Stout,
The truth hurts, eh?
bloggless on May 10, 2007 at 4:58 PM
Find me a speech in there and then we’ll talk.
You’re right of course cat, it’s only speech once it has gone through th efilter of what you find acceptable. My apologies. Could you watch South Park tonight and let me know if there is anything funny on it? I have a final in Free Speech Law tonight (honestly I do) and I need to know whether to just delete it or whether there is anything in there acceptable to my ears and eyes. And let’s not let the fact that they never advocated rape or anything like that get in the way of demagoguing the issue. And the fact that they are not liberals, but rather 2 of the 3 (including Jim Norton) are libertarians and the third doesn’t really care shouldn’t keep us from laballing them liberals just like Imus was a conservative. Must be true, I read it on the internets, which is a series of tubes, not a truck.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 5:03 PM
Incidently, if anyone has DirectTv, the part that is raising all the problems is on Channel 879 right now.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 5:04 PM
Real talented. That’s excellent social commentary. You know what offends me the most? It’s not Opie & Anthony! But rather that people find Opie & Anthony entertaining. We’ve got those 2 losers plus the McGee’s that Michelle was talking about yesterday actually receiving listeners. It’s incredible! But will any of these hosts get their face defamed on a public billboard as Rush did? Of course not. While Opie & Anthony joke about raping people and McGee laughs about a man’s mother dieing, Rush Limbaugh gets to be called a hate-monger. He’s the REAL racist.
Joshua P. Allem on May 10, 2007 at 5:05 PM
I didn’t see anyone censoring these asshats just pointing out what a couple of dickheads they are. As my mother always used to tell me, better to be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt. They are still morons.
oilbertan on May 10, 2007 at 5:11 PM
When Ian writes:
It is a veiled call to get XM Radio to fire O&A, as are calls for censure from CBS who airs the O&A show on Free FM, despite the fact that this speech did not take place over the public airwaves.
DJ headhunting is getting to be ridiculous.
BelchSpeak on May 10, 2007 at 5:13 PM
Yes, it’s people like me who are ruining the country. LImbaugh jokes about the magic negro, couldn’t care less. Opie and Anthony just today goofed on the Queen of England’s hat (offended the english), Larry the cable guy came on and joked about no Asians in Nascar (“No one wants to hear about Wang coming up from the rear”), then they took a break from discussing the motivations of the Rehnquist court to talk about how difficult it is to do Yoga and Pilates without passing gas. And then of course, everyone who heard 30 seconds of a 4 hour broadcast are offended by a lunatic homeless guy that the trio brought into the studio.
Litmus tests for all conservatives I say. We need to get some party unity, excise anyone who likes sophomoric humor after working all day.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 5:14 PM
Whether it was preplanned or not, did they say it?
amerpundit on May 10, 2007 at 5:16 PM
The homeless guy said he wanted to [fornicate] with Condi. Anthony imagined the horror on her face as this guy “held her down”. No mention EVER of assault, rape, advocating it or anything else. They encouraged this lunatic to keep talking, that was it. Anthony even joked about the guy bringing her back to his “box” where he lives on the street.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 5:19 PM
No matter how wrong it is, let it go…XM is not public airwaves.
That’s hysterical!
budorob on May 10, 2007 at 5:26 PM
Condi: “Who? Oh, those idiots. Didn’t they pass their freshness date about five years ago? Something about a church…”
mojo on May 10, 2007 at 5:28 PM
What’s even funnier in retrospect Budorob is that CBS dumped out of it for being too edgy, so the only ones who heard the Larry the Cable guy riff on Asian Nascar drivers were those who had XM. The other excellent line about how he loved hearing about “Danica Patrick grabbing the pole on Sunday” made it through though.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 5:43 PM
You people have learned nothing from the Imus debacle. Nothing.
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 5:43 PM
Hey E5infantry, “Barak the Magic Negro” was not coined by Rush. Do some freakin research.
That was coined by a BLACK LIBERAL newspaper columnist…LA TIMES, I think.
tickleddragon on May 10, 2007 at 5:48 PM
RAMONE!!!!
Leave O&A ALONE!!!!
Opie may be a liberal putz, But Anthony & Jim are Conservatives (somewhat). I’ve been listening to them since 1999, and they are as American as Stalker Patty is stupid.
NeoConSnakePlissken on May 10, 2007 at 5:52 PM
This is truly free speech. No issue here, like it or not. Idiot guys…saying idiot things on pay-to-listen-to-something-you-can-listen-to-for-free radio.
Nothing to see here, folks…
tickleddragon on May 10, 2007 at 5:56 PM
Hehehe…Ramone reference.
The Pests are here. Nice.
StoutRepublican on May 10, 2007 at 5:58 PM
P.S. Google “Carlin + Rape Can Be Funny”
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 5:59 PM
Did they say what? Listen to the recording. Crazy homeless guy says obviously crazy, stupid things, and O&A humor him whilst he does it.
O&A weren’t endorsing rape, they were humoring a crazy man to make him sound even crazier. This is boilerplate shock radio.
Kensington on May 10, 2007 at 5:59 PM
Thankls tinckledragon, now reread it again and show where I said he coined it….I was referring to something posted here yesterday. Ergo the term “joked.” I’ll do research, you do some reading comprehension, m’kay?
Now, I’m going back to doing the chubby bunny with that fatty E-Rock.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 6:16 PM
I was waiting for a Frunkasss from Steve from Yellowstone.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 6:29 PM
Horse apples. You don’t have to like it, Ian, but you don’t get to decide what I want to listen to.
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 6:32 PM
I’m using my Heckler’s veto on Queer Eye for the Straight guy, which makes me feel inferior to those who like men, also to the Smurfs which has an insufficient number of females, and Star Trek Next Generation since the only intergalactic-african-americans are blind or have crazy superorbital ridges. I don’t think any of those things belong on the airwaves.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 6:40 PM
Ian, you really disappoint me. You’re taking your tastes in comedy (which probably doesn’t lean towards dark or gallows humor), and with a blanket application, making a judgement call on what the very private sector (business and private airwaves) can and cannot provide to the consumer.
Does this extend also to movies like Pulp Fiction, where drug use is rampant, or Monster, which chronicles the life of a serial killer, or Benny Hill and Monty Python because boobs are flagrantly flapped about (on the public air waves no less).
What kind of humor is acceptable? Bill Cosby, Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Larry the Cable Guy, Louis CK, Eddie Murphy, Andrew Dice Clay? What type of humor is “out of bounds” to the extent where not only is it so offensive that people shouldn’t be able to make their own personal private decision to listen to it when it’s paid for with their own dollars…where is your line in the sand where some comedy is good, and some comedy is bad…because someone might not find it funny?
StoutRepublican on May 10, 2007 at 6:47 PM
First of all, O+A party rock.
Second, everyone who described hearing this live, in context has it exactly right. And Ian, being the PC police is just as silly from the right as the left.
The extent that entertainment on terrestrial radio has been stifled over the last few years, and especially the last few months (to the point where radio hosts can’t say “nappy,” “ho” or anything remotely offensive, regardless of context) has been the driving point of their FM broadcast lately.
Larry the Cable guy was bleeped telling an Asian driver joke this morning. Ridiculous.
I’m a long time little “c” conservative, with a live and let live pro-religion attitude, but the way many on the right have begun getting the vapors and demanding views be silenced is pushing me right into the land of full blown libertarianism.
The only way to fight offensive speech is with more speech. not less. I don’t want to end up like Canada.
Just my two cents.
coondawg on May 10, 2007 at 6:59 PM
only intergalactic-african-americans are blind or have crazy superorbital ridges
Worf was an “African-American?”
baldilocks on May 10, 2007 at 7:06 PM
Just a couple of ignorant, no talent punks.
Well, I guess I’ll have to scratch XM off the list of options on the new truck.
Zorro on May 10, 2007 at 7:09 PM
I think he was a klingon-african-american. I was poking fun at the jackass that once refered to a black african as a “african-african-american.”
On second thought, he’s a klingon-african-american cum russian-adoptee-klingon-african-american.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 7:10 PM
While I disagree with them on this issue, I think Ian and Andrew are talented and well-informed.
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 7:12 PM
XM also has Air America, Broad Minded (some female programming), whupie Goldberg, Snoop Dog, Bob Dylan, Oprah, Hannity, Dr Laura, the New York Yankees, NPR and Nascar. With the exception of Mr Hannity, I would normally boycott all the others. Instead, I just keep it on channel 202.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 7:13 PM
I agree.
StoutRepublican on May 10, 2007 at 7:18 PM
That’s terrible, I’m sorry. GRRRR.
- Steve the Bear
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 7:22 PM
How did your principles die?
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 7:25 PM
How did your principles die?
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 7:25 PM
Line of the day, line of the day, Line….of…the…day.
ROFL
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 7:27 PM
What are you doing in my business?
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 7:30 PM
Jim,
My comment (Just a couple of ignorant, no talent punks) was directed at Opie and Anthony, not Ian or Hot Air, with whom I nearly always agree.
I’m all for freedom. If you think Opie and Anthony worth your time, great. I’ll practice my freedom of choice and not listen to programing on XM. Red Skelton had a great line during an interview some time ago, referring to one of more vulgar comedian’s du jour, he said he (himself) knew every dirty joke in the book and knew using them would in some cases get the a good laugh. But to entertain without being vulgar and draw applauds, that took talent. Opie and Anthony in my view are short on talent. I choose not to listen.
Zorro on May 10, 2007 at 7:36 PM
They are on a private service and disclaimers are played on the station telling you that it is an explicit channel that can be blocked if you want. Why is this an issue? Freedom of speech just doesn’t mean what it used to.
Bodhi on May 10, 2007 at 7:38 PM
Oh!
Couldn’t agree more. As long as you’re not trying to tell me what I can and can’t find funny, I don’t see a problem here.
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 7:41 PM
On second thought, he’s a klingon-african-american cum russian-adoptee-klingon-african-american.
Or perhaps an imaginary being portrayed by a black actor.
baldilocks on May 10, 2007 at 7:45 PM
Damn, my illusions are dashed.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 7:47 PM
Oh I see now, Sgt. My bad.
baldilocks on May 10, 2007 at 7:50 PM
No problem at all! I just wanted to be clear. Freedom is what we all want. Entertainment is what we perceive as entertaining. Knowing one who was raped, to me, the topic is not funny. Opie and Anthony are on XM, I’ll find my entertainment elsewhere.
Zorro on May 10, 2007 at 7:52 PM
I can’t remember who it was, but not long ago, some “progressive” was talking about people in Africa and referred to them as ‘African-Americans’.
John from WuzzaDem on May 10, 2007 at 7:57 PM
You mean the word actually has to be said outright before you know that’s what someone is talking about?
SisterToldjah on May 10, 2007 at 7:57 PM
But according to Ian, you’re not supposed to be able to find it anywhere. If he doesn’t like it, that is.
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 7:58 PM
I don’t really think this should be a freedom of speech issue, other than to say that they do have the ‘freedom’ to encourage garbage like this on the airwaves (paid or not) and I have the freedom to call them low life *editeds* for doing so. It’s shouldn’t be about ‘the right’ to say something, but whether or not it is ‘right’ to say – or encourage.
SisterToldjah on May 10, 2007 at 8:00 PM
stoutrepublican is right
ian, you’re wrong
call them humorless idiots all you want, but to call for them to be taken off the air is pathetic
since when did conservatives rip a page out of the fringe left playbook?
“i may not agree w/what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it”
-voltaire
it’s the constitution, people
amendment no. 1?
that ring a bell?
read it
know it
live it
if you don’t like it, don’t subscribe to xm
and if you do subscribe to fm and you don’t like it, then don’t listen to it
change the station
it’s that simple
and there’s also the matter of the free market…and you people call yourselves conservatives?
you should be ashamed
if you find their humor disgusting, by all means scream it from the rooftops, but let’s not break out the torches and take to the streets in manufactured, drive-by media created outraged
that’s no better than al sharpton and rev. jesse
get a freakin’ clue
sgbrown68 on May 10, 2007 at 8:05 PM
I think when you say someone advocated or encouraged rape, maybe some element of having done so should be present. Did you listen to the link? (Not being snarky here, was actually asking.)
I loathe, absolutely loathe, disagreeing with you on this, but having heard it so many times, I never once thought O&A were advocating anything, nor that what they said constituted such an offense, except possibly to olfactory challenged people living in cardboard boxes in New York who are clearly impaired by drink or drug, and who are quite obviously not in complete control of their mental faculties.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 8:08 PM
I agree, until it gets to the point of calling for people’s jobs. I’m sure a lot of people would love to see Michelle lose all her paying gigs because she says things they don’t like. Or whoever you want to use to fill in the blank. Aren’t we supposed to be better than that?
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 8:10 PM
Yes.
SisterToldjah on May 10, 2007 at 8:11 PM
Yeah, look, get off the high horse. We’re not talking about an off-color joke or racist remark here. You wouldn’t be quoting Voltaire if O&A had taken to the airwaves and said, with deadly seriousness, “Go out there and blow Bush’s head off.” What you’ve got in this case is something in between: they’re obviously joking, but they’re joking about violent assault on a government official whom plenty of crazies would love to do bodily harm. It’s not intentional incitement, but it may be incitement to some in practical effect. Even if you disagree with Ian, the “turn the channel if you don’t like it” defense is a wee bit pat in these circumstances. Violence is different.
Allahpundit on May 10, 2007 at 8:12 PM
That’s exactly what we’re talking about. Unless you seriously think they were talking about putting this guy in a room with Rice and letting it play out.
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 8:18 PM
Okay, how about this: They get this homeless guy in the studio to say a bunch of crazy stuff, because that’s what their stupid show is about. He says, “Man, I sure would enjoy sexually assaulting a public official.” They say, “Oh my goodness, what an awful thing to say! You should be ashamed of yourself.” Wow, hilarious. Or maybe they could goof on him and he gets to be semi-famous for a few minutes on a pay service that nobody’s being forced to listen to.
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 8:21 PM
Actually, I agree, it wasn’t an off-color joke or racist remark. It was a drunken lunatic that they made fun of. There wasn’t any incitement of any kind whatsoever except the incitement to keep speaking obviously insane ramblings for the purposes of entertainment. I still see no incitement to violence.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 8:24 PM
If that’s the standard, why did Carlin use Porky Pig and Elmer Fudd for his “rape can be funny” bit instead of real people? Probably because not only would it have been less funny, but he didn’t want to give anyone any ideas — even unintentionally.
Allahpundit on May 10, 2007 at 8:26 PM
Speaking strictly for myself, I’m not looking for anyone’s head on a platter over this – I’ve just taken issue with someone else in this thread claiming that rape was ‘never said’ as though it has to be said to be understood, as well the suggestion by some that this is a free speech issue, when I really don’t think it is or should be treated as such. O&A are free to say what they want, and others are free to criticize them for it, and it’s up to XM how to handle the (if any) complaints.
SisterToldjah on May 10, 2007 at 8:29 PM
Or maybe because he’s not a crazy hobo?
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 8:29 PM
Sorry, Hobo-American.
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 8:29 PM
It was phrased that the guy wanted to have sex with her. The only implication of rape even a little bit was when Anthony said he would hate to see her face when the hobo-American “held her down.” If holding one down during sex is rape, then you are absolutely right. If Anthony had said something about beating her with a shovel and then doing it against her will, or anything else, I would agree with you. For me, “Hold[ing] her down” during intercourse does not rape make.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 8:33 PM
Right. That’s why O (or A, can’t tell them apart) laughed about the ‘horror’ he was sure Condi would feel while “Homeless Charlie” was “holding her down” and “f-ing” her.
SisterToldjah on May 10, 2007 at 8:33 PM
OK, you win. Anthony advocated rape by intoxicated Homeless people against public officials. That bastard.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 8:35 PM
Fine. Let another group of people have this same conversation about someone you care about and see how it makes you feel. I’m sure when they talk about the ‘horror’ on the woman’s face, you’ll be laughing right along with them, too, right?
SisterToldjah on May 10, 2007 at 8:35 PM
Yeah, I laugh at rape, no one I ever knew had that happen, I am a heartless bastard, and am wrong on so many levels it is frightening.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 8:37 PM
My mistake. Sorry about that.
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 8:37 PM
?
I don’t know you at all, but if you didn’t think they were joking about rape, then you wouldn’t have a problem with the same “joke” being applied to someone you care about. Has nothing to do whether or not you know someone it happened to. I also don’t know how many levels you are wrong on, but on this one, I believe you clearly are.
SisterToldjah on May 10, 2007 at 8:41 PM
your naivete is disappointing, if not unfortunately predictable
get a sense of humor, and a sense of proportion
“go blow bush’s head off” doesn’t = a drunk, homeless, probably psychotic buffoon on a pay-perscription, non-public airwave show with predominantly right-leaning comedy team who are goofing on him
if it ain’t you’re cup of tea, so be it
talk about how horrible and unfunny and moronic the content is all you want
joke about o&a’s girth, or lack of, to your heart’s content
please
but don’t go equating this with enciting terror or in any way realistically encouraging anything to be done to the secretary of state, ‘cos it just ain’t the case
and what’s more, it ain’t a fireable offense
they’re doing what they get paid to do
exactly like imus was
now we’ve got libs in the house who wanna introduce this “fairness” regulation over all the airwaves
sure, it might get o&a taken off
and rosie
and whoever else
but it also takes out rush
you’ll lose your hannity
your levin
we all lose, and it cuts against the grain of the “free marketplace of ideas” the founders codified into the constitution and our way of government and civic life
one of them said (too lazy to look it up, google it) “in the free marketplace of ideas, the truth, like cream, will rise to the top”
that means all ideas, even the odious ones
and if they’re truly odious, they’ll be rejected and they’ll sink
just to be clear, truly enciting terror or encouraging violence and mayhem ain’t protected speech and should be prosecuted vigorously
o&a are just a small voice in the daily cacophony, sealed behind a pay-per subscription wall that some blogger picked out of the ether and threw to drudge to generate hits today
bully for them
i got no prob w/that
but what o&a did doesn’t rate getting railroaded like imus did
sgbrown68 on May 10, 2007 at 8:46 PM
So let me get this straight–
What was said was okay because two nitwits thought it would be funny to take a mentally-impaired man off of the street and then make fun of him, is that it?
“Anthony imagined the horror on her face as this guy “held her down”. No mention EVER of assault, rape, advocating it or anything else. They encouraged this lunatic to keep talking, that was it. Anthony even joked about the guy bringing her back to his “box” where he lives on the street.”
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 5:19 PM
Look, if the guy “held her down” then you can’t immediately say that there was no mention of assault or rape in the very next sentence. That’s incredibly wack.
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The Machine on May 10, 2007 at 8:59 PM
Now you’re getting it.
Jim Treacher on May 10, 2007 at 9:00 PM
If holding one down during sex is rape, then you are absolutely right.
This is what I said. I’m done defending myself and will refrain from posting anymore here in deference to the fact I clearly am outside the stream of the people who run the site. I didn’t and still don’t think that they were advocating or encouraging rape. I was imprecise with my words, a failing of the quick nature of submits. But if Anthony saying that the hobo was holding her down is advocating rape, than I am lost. And I would have though that the defense of insanity or impossiblity would have applied here. I didn’t even like the bit, as I stated above. But the leap on this really seems surreal to me.
E5infantry on May 10, 2007 at 9:05 PM
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