I didn’t bother to read your post — it is simply numbers you refuse to acknowledge. 35% of Dems, 22% of all voters — it doesn’t get any simpler than that. Personally I think with a sample size of 800 it is probably a bad poll to begin with on all numbers. But if you want to keep deluding yourself that 1+1=3 go ahead.
I will say that I feel sorry for someone who feels a need to talk about “Destroying, owning, or shooting down” arguments like you do. Kind of a lonely life you lead there behind the keyboard.

Bradky on May 10, 2007 at 5:54 PM

Generally I stay out of the “pwn3d” arena, but I get frustrated with liars like yourself. There’s no 1+1=3. There’s Bradky=dishonest liberal. I would ask when your deception would end.. but I realize never as long as you’re a liberal. They’d kick you out of the club if you started being honest.

Here are the facts again…

Shut up Bradky, you know I caught you REPEATEDLY lying and inserting your own statistics in that other thread. You ARE LYING, and I’ve proven it. It was YOU who tried to assert that of the 140 million registered voters 70 million are Democrats and 70 million are Republicans (50/50)), because like all liberals you’re a liar and need to do so in order to make your case. You ignored the independents, and the FACT that people who call themselves Democrats is a substantially larger group than Republicans. You then tried to pull some 3 years poll of people eligible to vote (which was totally irrelevant), and again I busted you.

I wish I had the time to go and copy and past our entire exchange, but this should do for now:

I’m not sure how interested I am in this, so it may be a bit before I check your methods again if I bother to at all, but the point was YOU chose to split the country 50/50 Dems/Republicans which is utterly ridiculous.

As for name calling… what did I call you?

Ah screw it, I just looked through the numbers a bit…

For starters, the numbers from that USA Today piece you link to are OVER 3 YEARS OLD. Secondly, how did you determine what percentage of independents agree with Truthers? Third, where did you get 74 million? The number USA Today gives is 42 million for independents.

Back to Rasmussen, the reason I said that the Rasmussen link I gave was important is for starters that it’s a recent party identification poll, and secondly because the poll that is the subject of this entire post was conducted by Rasmussen. Also, that USA Today link talks about people eligible to vote, not registered voters. The Ras poll is about voters.

Anyway, I’m not even really arguing anything about what the numbers may or may not be, just that you’re using extremely flawed logic, especially when you started out dividing the 140 million voters up 50/50. Please admit that that was ridiculous?

Now, using the numbers provided in the poll that is the subject of this post, 7-to-1 Republicans reject the notion that Bush knew. So of the 44.1 million Repubs, only 5.5 don’t agree with the statement. Without being a premium member, we can’t figure out exacly how many of those simply don’t have an opinion, and how many actually think Bush knew.

And I’ll even help your side out. You read the stats wrong and originally calculated on the assumption 39% of Dems are Truthers. The number (read the post again) is actually 35%. So of the 140 million voters, 52.08 million are Dems (37.2% according to party identification poll). Which means actually 18.228 million agree with Truthers, where as your original odd assumptions said 22 million. See, I’m equal opportunity here… I’m just talking about accuracy, that’s all. Of course the Dems number gets more disturbing when you factor in the 26% who “don’t know”, giving you 61% (or 31.76 million)… Or as stated, only 39% of Democrats who are firmly NON-Truther. That’s sad, especially considering it’s barely any higher than the Truther sympathizers (again, 35%).

So, now, we can take 140 million, and see that 30.8 (22%) are Truther sympathizers. Subtract from that the 18.228 million Democrats, and we’re left with 12.572 million other Truther sympathizers that are either GOP or independent.

Now, remember that 5.5 million GOPers simply say they don’t know that Bush didn’t know. We again don’t know how many think he did and how many just don’t know. But assuming that ALL (which is a really bad assumption anyway) 5.5 million were actually Truther sympathizers, and that none were on the fence, we’re then left with 7.072 million independents that are Truther sympathizers. In reality, the independents number is going to be significantly higher, and the GOP number lower, because again, we don’t know what percentage of the 5.5 million Republicans said “I don’t know” and what percent said “Bush knew!”

So here’s the deal, the Democrats number was more like 18 million, not as bad as the 22 million you’d assumed. But this becomes more disturbing when you recognize that combining them with those Dems who are on the fence the number is actually 31.76 million (61% of Democrats, remember 35%+26%). Where as it’s, again, 5.5 million Republicans who are either Truther sympathizers or “don’t know”s, but we don’t know the breakdown (compared to your numbers that started out saying 8 million were actual Truther sympathizers)

Once more, I don’t doubt that there are a number of registered Republicans that are Truthers. We know the Truthers’ commander in chief Alex Jones likes to call himself a conservative. We all know of plenty of Republicans who we are embarassed to be associated with. But none of that get’s you out of the major Truther problem your party has, and the fact that only 39% of Democrats can confidently say Bush didn’t know.

RightWinged on May 6, 2007 at 1:27 AM

If you need yet another recap, 1 in 8 or 12.5% of Republicans are in the “I don’t know” or Truther camp. We don’t know the breakdown. For all we know, they were all “I don’t know” folks, and all other Truthers were Independents? We simply don’t know the breakdown for Independents or Republicans.

What we do have is the breakdown for Democrats. 35% Truther, 26% don’t know, only 39% say Bush DIDN’T know.

What this means is that 61% of Democrats aren’t sure that Bush didn’t have foreknowledge of 9/11, while that number is only 12.5% for Republicans. Or to flip it, only 39% of Democrats have enough of a brain to realize Bush didn’t know, while a full 87.5% of Republicans agree.

Yeah Bradky it’s an issue for “both sides”, give me a break. Please, let’s not get in to this again. Our exchange the other night was really not worth it. You kept lying and spinning and asserting false figures, claiming that you corrected yourself, even though all you did was replace your false figures with other false figures. Let’s just end this by recognizing that I brought the goods and you didn’t, k?

RightWinged on May 10, 2007 at 2:38 PM

Edwards just told the Truther that the check’s in the mail.

The applause at the end were probably dims who just bought the illusion that they have a direct line to the future president.

Edwards is making partipatory democracy sexy again!

RightWinged on May 10, 2007 at 2:38 PM

I didn’t bother to read your post — it is simply numbers you refuse to acknowledge. 35% of Dems, 22% of all voters — it doesn’t get any simpler than that. Personally I think with a sample size of 800 it is probably a bad poll to begin with on all numbers. But if you want to keep deluding yourself that 1+1=3 go ahead.
I will say that I feel sorry for someone who feels a need to talk about “Destroying, owning, or shooting down” arguments like you do. Kind of a lonely life you lead there behind the keyboard.

video: Edwards promises Truther he’ll look into collapse of WTC 7 the California Bridge the face on Mars the Lubbock lights.

Video: Edwards promises Truther he’ll look into collapse of WTC 7 the California Bridge

Yawn… here you go again with that poll. You always leave out the pesky fact that the same poll said that 22% of all voters were truthers, leaving millions of republicans as believers in the truther fantasy. If you don’t like or agree with that fact then the 35% you keep quoting like it is a scripture from the bible is invalid as well.

Bradky on May 10, 2007 at 5:46 AM

Shut up Bradky, you know I caught you REPEATEDLY lying and inserting your own statistics in that other thread. You ARE LYING, and I’ve proven it. It was YOU who tried to assert that of the 140 million registered voters 70 million are Democrats and 70 million are Republicans (50/50)), because like all liberals you’re a liar and need to do so in order to make your case. You ignored the independents, and the FACT that people who call themselves Democrats is a substantially larger group than Republicans. You then tried to pull some 3 years poll of people eligible to vote (which was totally irrelevant), and again I busted you.

I wish I had the time to go and copy and past our entire exchange, but this should do for now:

I’m not sure how interested I am in this, so it may be a bit before I check your methods again if I bother to at all, but the point was YOU chose to split the country 50/50 Dems/Republicans which is utterly ridiculous.

As for name calling… what did I call you?

Ah screw it, I just looked through the numbers a bit…

For starters, the numbers from that USA Today piece you link to are OVER 3 YEARS OLD. Secondly, how did you determine what percentage of independents agree with Truthers? Third, where did you get 74 million? The number USA Today gives is 42 million for independents.

Back to Rasmussen, the reason I said that the Rasmussen link I gave was important is for starters that it’s a recent party identification poll, and secondly because the poll that is the subject of this entire post was conducted by Rasmussen. Also, that USA Today link talks about people eligible to vote, not registered voters. The Ras poll is about voters.

Anyway, I’m not even really arguing anything about what the numbers may or may not be, just that you’re using extremely flawed logic, especially when you started out dividing the 140 million voters up 50/50. Please admit that that was ridiculous?

Now, using the numbers provided in the poll that is the subject of this post, 7-to-1 Republicans reject the notion that Bush knew. So of the 44.1 million Repubs, only 5.5 don’t agree with the statement. Without being a premium member, we can’t figure out exacly how many of those simply don’t have an opinion, and how many actually think Bush knew.

And I’ll even help your side out. You read the stats wrong and originally calculated on the assumption 39% of Dems are Truthers. The number (read the post again) is actually 35%. So of the 140 million voters, 52.08 million are Dems (37.2% according to party identification poll). Which means actually 18.228 million agree with Truthers, where as your original odd assumptions said 22 million. See, I’m equal opportunity here… I’m just talking about accuracy, that’s all. Of course the Dems number gets more disturbing when you factor in the 26% who “don’t know”, giving you 61% (or 31.76 million)… Or as stated, only 39% of Democrats who are firmly NON-Truther. That’s sad, especially considering it’s barely any higher than the Truther sympathizers (again, 35%).

So, now, we can take 140 million, and see that 30.8 (22%) are Truther sympathizers. Subtract from that the 18.228 million Democrats, and we’re left with 12.572 million other Truther sympathizers that are either GOP or independent.

Now, remember that 5.5 million GOPers simply say they don’t know that Bush didn’t know. We again don’t know how many think he did and how many just don’t know. But assuming that ALL (which is a really bad assumption anyway) 5.5 million were actually Truther sympathizers, and that none were on the fence, we’re then left with 7.072 million independents that are Truther sympathizers. In reality, the independents number is going to be significantly higher, and the GOP number lower, because again, we don’t know what percentage of the 5.5 million Republicans said “I don’t know” and what percent said “Bush knew!”

So here’s the deal, the Democrats number was more like 18 million, not as bad as the 22 million you’d assumed. But this becomes more disturbing when you recognize that combining them with those Dems who are on the fence the number is actually 31.76 million (61% of Democrats, remember 35%+26%). Where as it’s, again, 5.5 million Republicans who are either Truther sympathizers or “don’t know”s, but we don’t know the breakdown (compared to your numbers that started out saying 8 million were actual Truther sympathizers)

Once more, I don’t doubt that there are a number of registered Republicans that are Truthers. We know the Truthers’ commander in chief Alex Jones likes to call himself a conservative. We all know of plenty of Republicans who we are embarassed to be associated with. But none of that get’s you out of the major Truther problem your party has, and the fact that only 39% of Democrats can confidently say Bush didn’t know.

RightWinged on May 6, 2007 at 1:27 AM

If you need yet another recap, 1 in 8 or 12.5% of Republicans are in the “I don’t know” or Truther camp. We don’t know the breakdown. For all we know, they were all “I don’t know” folks, and all other Truthers were Independents? We simply don’t know the breakdown for Independents or Republicans.

What we do have is the breakdown for Democrats. 35% Truther, 26% don’t know, only 39% say Bush DIDN’T know.

What this means is that 61% of Democrats aren’t sure that Bush didn’t have foreknowledge of 9/11, while that number is only 12.5% for Republicans. Or to flip it, only 39% of Democrats have enough of a brain to realize Bush didn’t know, while a full 87.5% of Republicans agree.

Yeah Bradky it’s an issue for “both sides”, give me a break. Please, let’s not get in to this again. Our exchange the other night was really not worth it. You kept lying and spinning and asserting false figures, claiming that you corrected yourself, even though all you did was replace your false figures with other false figures. Let’s just end this by recognizing that I brought the goods and you didn’t, k?

Yet they humor it. Possibly because they believe it.

I’m of this base you refer to, and cliched as it sounds, I have NUMEROUS close gay friends (can’t be in the dj/clubbing scene, without making loads of gay friends). I’m not only NOT afraid of them, but love them a great deal. BUT I do not have to agree with their choices..as they do not have to agree with mine. It is very possible to love/respect someone without agreeing with/supporting their choices.

So, if by this childish phrase, you mean to say that the Rep party doesn’t support Gay Marriage – then why not just say that. The Republican Party as a Political entity does not support the legalization of Gay Marriage.

Besides, rational folks will take you seriously if you make arguments with facts, rather than emotional impressions. (ie: “irrational fear of gays”).

the base would get over it’s irrational fear of the gays.

We do not fear Rosie.

I can’t stand the PC socialist nanny-staters, but I hate the neocons and theocons even more. I don’t fit in anywhere :(

Have you considered converting to Islam?

Let’s get down to the nitty gritty, you voting for Edwards, or are you going to stand on princiuple and write in Kucinich’s name.

Fess up!

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 9, 2007 at 10:25 PM

I don’t know who I’m voting for yet but it’s definitely not Edwards or Kuncinich…it may surprise you but I’m not really much of socialist…more of a social liberal with classical liberal/libertarian views on the economy, role of government and foreign policy. I would even consider voting Republican if you guys would ever nominate a true conservative of the Goldwater-mold and the base would get over it’s irrational fear of the gays.

I can’t stand the PC socialist nanny-staters, but I hate the neocons and theocons even more. I don’t fit in anywhere :(

As the local representative for the Council on American-Monster Relations, I take great umbrage at this. Nessie is not a terrorist.

I wrote a term paper on Nessie back in the 60’s. As part of my research, I joined the Loch Ness Phenomena Investigation Bureau – got a membership card and a monthly newsletter. After months of research, I concluded that Nessie was actually a colony of landlocked prehistoric giant sea slugs….or possibly a piece of driftwood.

As someone on HA once said “How could you take anyone serious whose mouth is full of tofu and Doritos.”

JaHerer22 on May 9, 2007 at 10:19 PM

You can not believe for one second that a candidate running for the highest office in this nation does not run back ground checks on people playing a major role in his/her campaign. Marcotte was not on staff to pass out bumper stickers and collect donations. She was hired to be a mouth piece for the Silky Pony. Silky just didn’t have the foresight to see what kind of reaction her becoming a member of his staff was going to bring.

On the truther issue. These so called “truthers” put the democrats between a rock and a hard place. If the candidate debunks them they’re picked apart by dKos inc., if they say they believe in it then people who actually use their brains pick them apart. Silky was just smart enough to not commit either way.

Keep putting them dems on the spot truthers. South Park retard meter keeps going up.