I’ll accept a state’s rights solution. I won’t accept Rudy’s position.

Rudy: “Now what has the court done with that?”

Laura: “Make a lot of mistakes.”

POW

Ah, darn… I fail at the internet.

Counter-sue me?

In its FY 2004-2005 annual report, the latest available to the public, Planned Parenthood did 255,015 abortions in 2004 (up 4.3% from 2003), generating an estimated $95 million. A scant 1,414 customers were referred to adoption agencies; down more than 20% from 2003.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat3104.html

There is no question that Rudy will be tough on muslim extremism so pandering to his strong points is silly in primary season. I still have more respect for him (and all the declared candidates)than fred? because fred? spends his time blabbing prepared talking points and avoiding venues where he would have to answer for his record.

Because a slave doesn’t exist inside the body of his master.

Property is property …

The abortion debate should be within the context of whether or not the fetus is included when we say silly things like, “all men are created equal…”. Some 90% of all women’s choice began before their pregnancy.

George Soros is laughing his ass off.

absolutely. it’s clear to everyone that you’re a winner.

jummy on May 8, 2007 at 9:13 PM

Thank you for conceding tastefully.

move on. If you base your decision on the abortion issue alone (which is irresponsible) then so be it… Don’t vote for him.

I just love this analogy. Slavery. Boy, we really handled that well huh? Let’s use that as ‘the perfect example’ of how to handle abortion!!!

After 140 years, 80% of those seeking abortions are the ‘victims’ of slavery. 80% divorce rate amongst ‘the victims of slavery.’ 40% detention rate in our prisons for those ‘victims of slavery.’ 140 years later. Great idea. Let’s handle this whole abortion issue just like we did slavery. Great idea man. It’ll be tough, but if we make abortion illegal and then send all those babies to live on the other side of the tracks. Shit all over them for decades. Then a few good ones will crawl out of hell and make something of their lives. And maybe, just maybe… they’ll bring that chance to their people. And maybe… just maybe… the world will get another Oprah. You’re killing me dude.

It very hard to know I live in a society killing babies. But then, there are a lot of hard issues these days. And not a one of them can we fix by electing some fool willing to tell you what you want to hear to ease your conscience. Seriously. If you’re so concerned for those babies do a second job as a counselor. Most those girls hate theirselves for years.

Replace the word “abortion” with the word “slavery” and explain to me why we couldn’t take this attitude with slavery?

Because a slave doesn’t exist inside the body of his master.

Here’s a really radical position, which gets me flamed by both sides on the abortion debate:

1. People own their bodies. A pregnant woman who wants to evict an embryo/fetus has the absolute right to do so….

2. If that fetus has reached the point where it has a measurable chance to survive ex utero, the process of removing it from the woman’s body must be non-destructive. (Sucking its brain out so that it can more easily egress is not allowed.) As soon as it is removed, reasonable efforts must be made to give it that chance.

A law very much like this was passed a few years back in Misery, including the requirement of a separate doctor to attend to the fetus as soon as it’s separated, but the courts held it unconstitutional. Pity.

Trying to claim Planned Parenthood is some honest broker is laughable. Planned Parenthood is the country’s leading abortion rights groups and its top provider of abortions.

Rudy was doing okay until his PERSONAL donations to PP were revealed. That contradicts everything he has been saying. I really don’t give a rats a$$. I just want him to be honest because it gives him credibility. — csdeven on May 8, 2007 at 9:25 PM

i’ll give you that. that does raise eyebrows.

“you, quite simply, are not a conservative.”
Actually, Rudy is getting very close to being accused of that.

to that i can only note what someone else noted above about goldwater. is goldwater not a conservative? or rather, does robb get to declare goldwater “unconservative” from his cardboard politburo?

you oppose rudy’s stance because his stance is that the states should decide independently whether abortion should be legal or not.
jummy on May 8, 2007 at 9:18 PM

Rudy was doing okay until his PERSONAL donations to PP were revealed. That contradicts everything he has been saying. I really don’t give a rats a$$. I just want him to be honest because it gives him credibility.

you, quite simply, are not a conservative.

Actually, Rudy is getting very close to being accused of that.

jummy on May 8, 2007 at 8:49 PM

Hating federalism has nothing to do with the realities of the conservative movement. If you want federalism, vote for Paul. Rudy just needs to say he is pro-choice and leave it at that. Then we can move on and deal with his strengths. After he is elected, he can push the federalism all he wants.

you, quite simply, are not a conservative.

RobertCSampson on May 8, 2007 at 8:55 PM

Nicely put.

RobertCSampson VladmirILenin, you are correct. barring the freak occurance that you end up as the gop nominee, you will vote for the “lesser of to evils”. and you’ll like it.

jummy on May 8, 2007 at 8:54 PM

Jummy, by saying that I decide who is conservative and who is not, I was making it clear that as a conservative voter, it is indeed I who decide.

Also, following up your earlier weak strawman with the flagrant Godwin’s law violation disqualifies you from arguing with me. You, my friend, are clearly not in the same league.

why do you hate federalism? and why, hating federalism as you and the other people who demand a policy which would dictate from washington that abortion be either legal or illegal do, are you any better or worse than now and naral?

jummy on May 8, 2007 at 8:49 PM

Whoa, I didn’t see anyone say that hate federalism. Us conservatives love federalism.

That was a pretty blatant strawman argument there Jummy.

Hell, we had a presidential candidate that carried around the 10th ammendment in his pocket because it was his favorite.

All cs appears to be asking for is Rudy’s position on an issue. Shocking, yes. We, conservatives like to know what are candidates stand for not to overthrow the government and impose his abortion stance on everyone.