fred? is starting to sound more like a snake oil saleman the more we find out about him.

csdeven on May 8, 2007 at 10:33 AM

Ouch. That’s a little too harsh, don’t you think?

I didn’t want to rain on the love-fest on this site with Fred! earlier, but this is exactly what I thought would happen.

When you don’t know where someone stands on the positions, you just assume it’s the way you think. And then when that person has to state positions, that’s when the fur flies.

This helps explain much of the initial exuberance over Barack Obama, I think. Although I STILL don’t know where he is on many of the issues. Pin him down, and by definition, some people are going to disagree.

asc85 on May 8, 2007 at 10:48 AM

That, rather than a snake-oil concession, is what’s at the heart of this methinks.

If that’s the reason why you (and most GOPers) voted for Bush, then I should probably reconsider joining the Democratic party as most of my family (99.99%) think Republicans are “not that bright.” (and they are fairly pissed that I became one)

I’m not interested in the “fire in the belly” or how close to Reagan a person was in life. I’m interested in what plan they have for the country. Fred? has yet to announce one, and until then, I’ll take Obama over him.

“Where there is no vision, the people perish…”
~Proverbs 29:18a

I can tell you that a victory for Rudy in the Primary will mean a victory for the Obama/Hillary team.

Just because Rudy represents the “lesser of evils,” doesn’t mean that the pro-life crowd (especially evangelical christians and conservative catholics) will vote for him.

From most (if not all) of my conversations with this red political force, they would rather abstain from voting than vote in a pro-choice candidate.

If Rudy gets in, Hillary/Obama will win.

Yeah, except Fred was “in favor of abortion in all cases, in the first trimester”, as late as 1994. There was also previous reports that he had been pro-choice.

amerpundit on May 8, 2007 at 3:54 PM

That is fine, but he has always said that Roe v. Wade was bad Constitutional Law.

I can take someone who is less than perfect socially, if he has always held to Federalism.

So, no, I won’t sell out my conservative principles just so the Republican party can be in the White House.

Hiraghm on May 8, 2007 at 12:57 PM

Please, do tell me how well your Conservative principles will be presented, under President Hillary and her Democratic Congress? I’m guessing less than under Giuliani.

Tim Burton on May 8, 2007 at 3:43 PM

Yeah, except Fred was “in favor of abortion in all cases, in the first trimester”, as late as 1994. There was also previous reports that he had been pro-choice.

I’ll hold on for Fred!

Fred! get into the race and save us from this Rockafellers…

If they hate him so much, doesn’t that really make him look good?

tommylotto on May 8, 2007 at 2:00 PM

That is such sophistical reasoning. I can form my own opinion as to whether Giuliani’s any good or not, based on his own speeches and deeds, and without any respect for the opinions of New York’s left.

I read the Vanity Fair hit piece. I kept waiting for it to make a point as to why he’s crazy. I just kept seeing a guy that the NYC liberals hated and are trying to smear. If they hate him so much, doesn’t that really make him look good?

No, Rudy is not an ounce of cure; he is the difference between being hanged and being shot. The idea is not to be executed at all.

Understand… there is no cure. If we do not stand up and stop this now, we won’t EVER be able to stop it in the future. Conceding ground to the enemy does not result in victory. And I’ve lost any hope that the American people have enough sense to eventually choke on this nonsense and turn conservative; they have demonstrated an unerring capacity for forgetting hard truths and embracing feel-good idiocy.

I found the link if you want to read it. It’s interesting if not biased

Hiraghm on May 8, 2007 at 12:57 PM

You do understand that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure right? Rudy is prevention and a dem would require a pound of cure.

I didn’t want to rain on the love-fest on this site with Fred! earlier, but this is exactly what I thought would happen.
asc85 on May 8, 2007 at 10:48 AM

Don’t worry about rain. I’ve been CRAPPING all over the fred? love-fest for about a week now.

So, no, I won’t sell out my conservative principles just so the Republican party can be in the White House.

He is our only real chance to keep the WH and you guys are so &^%$$*(’ed up on this one stupid issue you are going to hand over the keys to Hillary.

So? Why should I care if a pro-ABORTION Democrat is in the WH, or a pro-ABORTION Republican is in the WH?

If I’m gong to vote for someone just like Hillary, I might as well vote for Hillary.

The fetus-murder issue is less important to me than his cavalier attitude toward the 2nd Amendment.

I might, maybe, consider Romney as VP candidate for Tancredo, but Tancredo is the only candidate thus far I’d trust as POTUS. And I don’t trust him entirely.

If not Tancredo, I might as well put Stalin Rodham Clinton in the WH and get the destruction of America over with quickly, rather than slowly as with Guilliani.

Sounds good to me. I mean I’d rather a candidate be too pro life than too pro choice if i absolutely had to pick, but I’m glad to see these two are not on a hard edge of the debate.

If you’re going to stay home because the candidate says he’s fine with RvW being overturned and it should be left to the states but wont commit to 100% full on pro-life complete with video of him protesting a clinic… well then stay home I guess.

Bill C on May 8, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Except that Fred! can’t exactly claim he’s always been pro-life, either. As late as ’94, he was in favor of abortions, in all cases, in the first trimester. Romney was also pro-choice earlier on. All three were pro-choice.

Abortion again. Is there any other topic on Giuliani’s agenda or is that it. If you follow the MSM (and conservative blogs) you would think he was a mad eugenics scientist!!! Realy guys, get over it. He is pro-choice. We know that. HE IS PRO-CHOICE. HE IS PRO-CHOICE. HE IS PRO-CHOICE. There. Can we move on. Now, if you told me he was schooled in a madrassa or believe sharia was appropriate as a constitutional admendment, I would be concerned.

He is our only real chance to keep the WH and you guys are so &^%$$*(‘ed up on this one stupid issue you are going to hand over the keys to Hillary. (Hint — she is pro-choice too, and so apparently is your beloved womanizing Fred!)

You guys need to get on the good ship Rudy before it is too late.

No doubt Romney’s people are looking into that as we speak.

I think another interesting question is who leaked this. From the story I read it was another anon. campaign but I am about 75% sure that anotherRepublican would not have done this. Nobody likes a snitch and any Republican that was caught snitching on Rudy would have hell to pay. Also, no Republican could trust the media to keep the secret. That leaves the Dems.

That being said I think Rudy will be severely wounded by this. Its time for Fred and Mitt to get together and do something really unusual. Mitt’s young enough to be VP. Fred’s got the charisma. Mitt’s got the cash and organizing acumen. It’s a match made in Republican heaven.

Anybody else agree?

fred? is starting to sound more like a snake oil saleman the more we find out about him.

csdeven on May 8, 2007 at 10:33 AM

I didn’t want to rain on the love-fest on this site with Fred! earlier, but this is exactly what I thought would happen.

When you don’t know where someone stands on the positions, you just assume it’s the way you think. And then when that person has to state positions, that’s when the fur flies.

This helps explain much of the initial exuberance over Barack Obama, I think. Although I STILL don’t know where he is on many of the issues. Pin him down, and by definition, some people are going to disagree.

SouthernDem on May 8, 2007 at 10:36 AM

Sorry.

He checked the box for: “Abortions should be legal in all circumstances as long as the procedure is completed within the first trimester of the pregnancy.”