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STOP THE WAR ON GLADE!…

Not gonna do it. No way. I’ll use whale oil lamps first.

Manufacturers and environmentalists are pushing some new efficiency standards that would essentially phase out incandescent bulbs in 10 years (HotAir) Glenn Reynolds @ Instapundit, no foe to the new CFL bulbs himself, explains why this would be, howeve…

If you think CFL is a solution, watch what happens when we try to take care of all of the hybrid batteries that we have to dispose of.

Does anyone know how much more energy is needed to produce a CFL? How much more mercury, how much more glass? My light bulbs already last 3-5 years, just turn them off when you leave the room.

In the past 3 years (moved into a new home)I have replaced 3 standard light bulbs out of the 70+ lights in my house. And have replace 2 fluorescent out of 10.

You don’t deal with the store on returning it. You mail it back to the company who manufactured it and they replace it. You can see an example of one here

truthmattersfa on May 7, 2007 at 6:37 PM

We are talking about conserving energy, resources, etc. The “mail” is a bunch of trucks and airplanes driving back and forth all over the country. I got a dead bulb in the mail and a live bulb coming back. Even that act uses energy and resources – and inefficiently at that. Now multiply that activity by 500,000 customers.
We can’t just look at one little aspect. The whole thing is what’s important. What does a billion bulbs mean in manufacturing, packaging, transport and disposal? Where’re the resources going to come from for all the additional components these jazzed up bulbs require? They consume more just to make them – compare the amount of glass alone between the two types of bulbs.
Maybe, in the end it does work, but not a single study or report has set out the real cost of these CFLs and the real difference in the aggregate with incandescents.
Maybe Popular Mechanics will find it in their hearts to do the detective work that is needed.

How long are they lasting??? 2-3 years?

And think about that comment, “pretty much every CFL comes with a guarentee that it lasts for a certain length of time, and if not it can be replaced.”

The reason I said “pretty much” is because some dollar stores sell CFL’s and if you buy one of those, there is not guarantee. But almost any CFL from a reputable store has a guarantee printed on the box.

“1) What kind of satisfaction am I going to get trying to get the store to honor that promise? How many resources are going to go into the multiple trips and paperwork of the bureaucratic nightmare of company X haggling with me about a free replacement bulb?”

You don’t deal with the store on returning it. You mail it back to the company who manufactured it and they replace it. You can see an example of one here

“Environmentally, there’s one more heavily inputted CFL in the trash, two bulbs doing what one should have done … if we are serious about “the planet” then we have to consider that wastage from CFLs is going to be collossal.”

You’re wrong on that as well. You and others are comparing 1 CFL to 1 incandescent. Yes, a CFL takes up more room in the trash. However, 1 CFL lasts 3-5 years and over that time you use 3-5 incandescent bulbs. So you really have to compare the total amount of trash over that time period. Over 3 years, 1 CFL vs 3-5 regular incandescent bulbs. Which is larger and makes up “more trash”????

Environmentally, there’s one more heavily inputted CFL in the trash, two bulbs doing what one should have done … if we are serious about “the planet” then we have to consider that wastage from CFLs is going to be collossal.

Two bulbs, two flushes…I see a pattern developing with green fixes.

Screw them.Pay a bit more and get bulbs that are much more energy efficent then crappy flouescents and are pure white, usful for reading and will last longer then you may live.
LED Bulbs.
opusrex on May 7, 2007 at 1:06 PM

Oooh! But, first, what’s their Achilles Heel?

It’s technically based on total usage so if there is a light that you leave on 24 hrs a day 365 days a year, it won’t last 5-10 years, but pretty much every CFL comes with a guarantee that it last for a certain length of time, and if not, it can be replaced.
truthmattersfa on May 7, 2007 at 9:32 AM

That sounds wonderful, but the reality is, my bulbs are not on 24/7. They are in normal usage. They are not making anywhere near the distance of the “glowing” reports.
And think about that comment, “pretty much every CFL comes with a guarentee that it lasts for a certain length of time, and if not it can be replaced.”
1) What kind of satisfaction am I going to get trying to get the store to honor that promise? How many resources are going to go into the multiple trips and paperwork of the bureaucratic nightmare of company X haggling with me about a free replacement bulb? I do know a few curmugeons who would get their “free” bulb in the end, but they have all day long to devote to that sport.
2) Environmentally, there’s one more heavily inputted CFL in the trash, two bulbs doing what one should have done … if we are serious about “the planet” then we have to consider that wastage from CFLs is going to be collossal.
300 million people in the USA – and there sure are more than 1 lightbulb per person. CFLs do wear out and they’re gonna take up a lot more space than simple ol’ incandescents.
CFLs have their uses, but “magic lighting bullet” they aren’t. This is Soviet-style micromanagement of the society.

LED Bulbs.

Now, how would one illuminate the American population? First of all, federal or state laws would need to make it a crime punishable by a $1,000 fine and one year in prison per household to possess an incandescant bulb. The population would then be given three months to turn in their incandescants, without penalty.

Maybe Dan Simpson will write up a new proposal…?!!

And guess where the extra purchase prices for these CFLs will wind up? In the pockets of Chinese manufacturers, because not a single CFL is produced in the US.”

Do we know any Senators with deep ties to Chinese business?

I’m with many others on this one. Working under flourescent lights, especially if I’m at a computer desk, can trigger a migrained at any time if I’m not careful. Isn’t of the major benefits of a free society that one can choose a luxury or a comfort? In the conservationist scheme of things, this is overlooking dollars to hunt for pennies.

This is a myth. The amount of mercury in a light bulb is not sufficient to be considered hazardous waste.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cfl.asp

lorien1973 on May 6, 2007 at 12:48 PM

O RLY?

http://www.kxmb.com/getARticle.asp?ArticleId=118982

When I have a migraine I can’t be anywhere near a flourescent bulb. Wearing sunglasses inside helps a little, but then I start to see the flicker, and the strobe effect tends to set off seizures.

Loads of fun, fluorescents. When I worked outside the home, my bosses were always asking why I never turned on the lights over my desk, or why I sometimes turned off the lights in my office. The pain. Too much. So yeah. If they pass this inane law, expect me to have a secret stash.

I wonder what we will do at Christmas time, since we can not use incadescent bulbs.

Will their be a waiver for movie projectors? How about emergency signes? Street lights? Headlights and other safety lights for vehicles?