Dim: Congress drafts rules to phase out incandescent bulbs
posted at 9:14 pm on May 6, 2007 by see-dubya
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People complain about social conservatives needing to stay out of their bedrooms. But globwarming greens are fooling around in every damned room in my house. First of all it was the 1.6 gallon Al Gore toilet (last item), introduced by Federal compulsion, which accomplished in two or three flushes what the ol’ three-gallon Bemis could do in one. And even if Sheryl Crow says she was joking about the infamous “one square” advice, the family of rich green wackos in Manhattan wasn’t joking about not using any TP for a year.
And now, it’s light bulbs.
I hate fluorescent lights. They make everything look skeevy and bloodless and washed out. I can’t avoid them at work, but I like to read and live by halogens and incandescents at home. it’s a luxury, I know, but a surprisingly affordable one–especially since they’re cheaper than the fluorescent bulbs. Where I can get away with fluorescent bulbs to save energy, I do. The market sees to that.
But now the Democratic congress is going to try to mandate fluorescent bulbs everywhere. (Link requires subscription.) I guess the Obamessiah family’s ongoing light switchover that Mark Steyn wrote about is just too slow, and so Congress had to do something.
Thing is, almost every business I have entered in the last decade or so has already switched over to fluorescent lights wherever they can. It’s the standard in warehouses, factories, and cubicle farms across the country. When was the last time you saw an office lit by a table lamp? No, this one is aimed at the home consumer, who can’t be trusted to light his house in a pretty way.
Whatever rule is proposed by the groups would likely be incorporated into energy legislation passed last week by the Senate Energy Committee that the full chamber is set to debate by the end of the month, committee aides say. This bill, the Democrats’ first major energy initiative since taking control of Congress in January, calls for new efficiency standards for appliances and motor vehicles and mandates the use of more alternative fuels, such as ethanol, by 2022.
While the move could face resistance from some consumer groups and from low- and fixed-income constituencies, Energy Committee aides say there is bipartisan support in Congress for a new lighting standard.
I’m not certain why the market won’t take care of this. It couldn’t be that someone is making a profit, could it?
Manufacturers expect over the next decade to provide consumers with other choices as well, since CFLs don’t work as well in applications such as reading lamps.
“It’s the right thing to do,” says Randall B. Moorhead, vice president for the North American affiliate of Royal Phillips Electronics NV of the Netherlands. “But we’re also hoping we’ll make some money. It’s not entirely altruistic.”
No? Knock me over with a feather.
BUMPED: You guys in the comments are awesome. I like the term “Gore-bulbs” and the suggestion we use Coleman lanterns instead.
I’m bumping this because I hope it will be discussed more in the upcoming campaign. For all the perceived busybodiness (is that a word?) of the Christian right, there is an even more overwhelming busybodiness practiced by the Greenie Left who claim jurisdiction over any activity of your life that affects the environment. It is a rights issue. As commenter Buzzy observed:
It has little to do with CFLs and much more to do with individual freedoms. When government tells me what bulbs I can use to light my house I draw the line and resume stocking the bunker.
It’s one thing to convince me that CFLs are a better choice for intelligent energy consumption and quite another to take my choices away by government decree.
It is a rights issue, and this is just the first step. Here’s where it’s going, under Euro/Blairite IngSoc:
Pressed to meet European Union targets for reducing landfill volume, many local councils now collect refuse only once every two weeks. As flies and vermin gather while food scraps achieve a fine perfume, residents have grown so enraged that bin-men are under repeated physical attack.
The logic of fortnightly collections — if you can follow it — is to encourage recycling. Lest widespread consternation over garbage seem petty, fortnightly collections now emblemize a broader source of indignation: the U.K. government’s self-righteous “green” justifications for reduced services on the one hand, and thievery on the other.
Halving the frequency of waste removal conveniently saves money. A host of other new “green” measures in the U.K. will make money: $200 fines for poorly separated recycling, or microchips implanted in wheelie bins to weigh residential refuse — dragging Britain’s surveillance culture to a new low, and facilitating charges for waste disposal by the kilo. Furious that they are already paying once for this service through local taxes, some householders have ripped the microchips from their bins.
….
Environmentalism has become the fashionable fig leaf to cover for extortion. If a tax is “green” it is “for the sake of the planet,” and fairness doesn’t come into it. Neither, apparently, does greed. Hence Britain’s petrol duty — the fourth highest in the world at over $4 a gallon plus 17.5% VAT levied on both the fuel and the duty ( in the U.K., even taxes are taxed) — has nothing to do with sticky fingers; it’s to confront the all-purpose bogeyman of global warming.
That’s Lionel Shriver in the Wall Street Journal; the piece is still behind the subscription wall but I hope it pops out on opinionjournal pretty soon. People with libertarian instincts need to hear this–even if social conservatives might want to stop drugs, gay marriage, and abortion, the pseudo-religious zeal of the globwarmers knows no bounds and their coercive agenda is targeted at things that everybody does and uses: cars, light bulbs, garbage pickup. And, as I said above, toilets.
Meanwhile, the people who do this live in energy-guzzling mansions, travelling on private jets, perhaps salving their conscience with expensive carbon offsets, while they figure out what kind of light bulb you will be able to buy.
Now that is an inconvenient truth.
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Check to see if Diane Feinstein knows some relative in the flourescent bulb business. I am confused. The libs told me only Republicans were beholden to special interests and big business. They couldn’t have lied to me, could they?
Mallard T. Drake on May 6, 2007 at 12:38 PM
First, before demanding that everyone uses CFLs, perhaps they should see how they plan to deal with mercury contamination, since all fluorescent light bulbs contain mercury, and thus are considered hazardous waste.
Me, I have replaced, pretty much 90% of the lightbulbs in my house with either CFLs, LED lighting, or low powered halogens. The only incandescents I have left, are ones that are on dimmer switches, since CFLs and LEDs don’t work well with dimmer switches
Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on May 6, 2007 at 12:41 PM
When incandescent light bulbs are outlawed, only outlaws will have incandescent light bulbs!
csdeven on May 6, 2007 at 12:43 PM
How typical of the elitist Socialist Dhimmicrats. Where’s the underground market for good ole incandescent lamps?
Zorro on May 6, 2007 at 12:47 PM
This is a myth. The amount of mercury in a light bulb is not sufficient to be considered hazardous waste.
http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cfl.asp
lorien1973 on May 6, 2007 at 12:48 PM
We must protect you from yourself.
Limerick on May 6, 2007 at 12:48 PM
So now I gotta stockpile light bulbs along with the ammo.
RedWinged Blackbird on May 6, 2007 at 12:50 PM
For goodness sake, there HAS to be a lightbulb joke here somewhere!
Mojave Mark on May 6, 2007 at 12:54 PM
And check THIS out…read about this woman’s saga after one of these light bulbs broke in her home…
Will Algore pay the $2,000 price tag?
JetBoy on May 6, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Now I can add dimmercrat to the lexicon along with dhimmicrat.
Some helpful information for those contemplating a response to this idiocy.
shaken on May 6, 2007 at 12:58 PM
Seatbelts for dogs. Gorebulbs. Safety helmets in the Volvo.
Can’t park a car in the driveway overnight. Guns to plowshares. But it is OK to boink a 15yo on stage and commit treason by treating with the enemy.
Limerick on May 6, 2007 at 1:02 PM
Turn out the lights, the party’s over….
Tennman on May 6, 2007 at 1:05 PM
Funny, reading through that article, it clearly states that CFLs need to be treated as hazerdous waste, and can’t be thrown out or recycled like a convential incandescent bulb. Instead they, like batteries, need to be delivered to a hazerdous waste depot for recycling and disposal.
Never did I claim, as others have, that they are dangerous, just that they need to be treated differently than a traditional bulb in disposal.
Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on May 6, 2007 at 1:14 PM
Tom Edison must be spinning in his grave.
Not only will I not allow the U.S. congress anywhere near, much less inside my house the congress needs to get out of my LIFE.
This is beyond belief, that these sheeple can take “big brother” type laws and expect us to meekly submit.
This may set off the powder keg of revolt.
tormod on May 6, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Are these idiots for real? It’s hard to believe that we actually pay these fools.
rplat on May 6, 2007 at 1:18 PM
As soon as I heard that CFL’s had Earth-destroying mercury, I went out and bought a pack.
Now you tell me it’s just another hoax.
I feel cheated.
billy on May 6, 2007 at 1:28 PM
Canadian Imperialist Running Dog,
Haven’t they already considered something like this in Canada?
And, who’s going to make the hundreds of millions of CFL bulbs we’re gonna need when they mandate this? Can I buy CFL offsets?
mesablue on May 6, 2007 at 1:33 PM
see-dubya….we need a french election topic so as to be ready for the first riots tonight. Even that puke Royal was using BDS as a tool to garner votes.
And Time magazine doesn’t think Boooooosh is one of the top 100 most influential people in the world? What other world leader is a issue in foriegn countries elections? Do americans select our POTUS by which leader of what country they support or reject? Was “Rosie O fat lesbian vampire bat” an issue in any election, anywhere?
csdeven on May 6, 2007 at 1:41 PM
The best part is we will need another tax to help the ‘disadvantaged’ covert their homes. Jimmy and Rosalyn must be getting their electrican licenses as we speak.
Limerick on May 6, 2007 at 1:42 PM
Guess it’s time to start soaking some torches in diesel. I can think of at least two potential uses for them here…
Blacklake on May 6, 2007 at 1:46 PM
I predict that our tax dollars will be going to purchase these bulbs for the poor and unfortunate who can’t afford them.
ctmom on May 6, 2007 at 1:50 PM
but, but, BUTT.
I am still confused….
even with me living out in the wasteland…
if they don’t use TP what do they use?
I mean the article cryptically noted:
“Think bowls of water and lots of air drying”
but what the flip is that supposed to mean?
Maybe I don’t want to think about it tooo much….
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on May 6, 2007 at 1:52 PM
As long as they don’t touch my real halogen torch light (without the protective screen) I stole and put in my office, there won’t be hell to pay. I can’t stand fluorescents.
askheaves on May 6, 2007 at 1:54 PM
they have and are considering doing this… under the idea that the government needs to look like they are doing something about reducing energy use, and thus “protecting” the environment. If I had sufficient funds to do so, I’d probably demand that they do an environmental impact study, on what the actual costs of implementing these sorts of laws.
THe really big push is coming from the Liberal Party of Ontario, since they need all ontarians to reduce their energy use, because they have utterly failed since coming to power to do anything relating to increasing the amount of electricity for the province. In fact, just last year, one of the spare electrical plants near the city of toronto, had it’s smoke stacks blown up, to insure that in case of a crisis (which pretty much happens every summer) there would be no chance of someone deciding that it might be a good idea to fire up the coal plant.
Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on May 6, 2007 at 1:56 PM
Ya know, the (Democrat controlled) government just can’t keep it’s nose out of our private lives. Little wonder why they would like to get the guns out of our hands.
Our country is in the midst of fighting a war on terror (yeah we are, Silky Pony), and these newly elected Democrat schmucks are worried about frickin’ light bulbs and toilet paper.
In their defense however, I guess when you constantly have your head up your @ss, you would be inclined to worry about those two commodities.
fogw on May 6, 2007 at 2:00 PM
I use the CFL’s on outside lights. They really do last for a very long time. but inside the home, I go back to the standard halogens. I have poor vision and reading under flourescents gives me a headache.
My stock response to anything the govt tries to regulate is: follow the money.
I personally think it’s a conspiracy among opthalmologists. sarc/
pullingmyhairout on May 6, 2007 at 2:03 PM
What next? Outlawing kerosone heaters? The liberals are always bending poor folks over and giving it to them without any lube! I hate liberals!
SouthernGent on May 6, 2007 at 2:07 PM
I think we need a protest…like, say, at 10 pm Eastern time on a set date, everyone turns on every incandescent bulb in their home for five minutes…and see if the power grids can handle it.
Flourescent bulbs are bad enough at work…I don’t wanna be home with one. I’d flush those wacky-looking flourescent bulbs down the john, but you know those 1.6 gallon toilets today…
JetBoy on May 6, 2007 at 2:08 PM
WHO THE HELL IS RUNNING THIS INSANE ASYLUM ANYWAY???
NRA4Freedom on May 6, 2007 at 2:25 PM
Their moving fast.
sonnyspats1 on May 6, 2007 at 2:34 PM
Here ya go. Light up your life and enlarge your carbon footprint. I keep one of these around for emergencies. Might buy a couple more if that bill passes.
RedWinged Blackbird on May 6, 2007 at 2:39 PM
Just when you think it can’t more ludicrous and utterly unimaginable like I’m living in a really bad dream… what are they going to do? Break in my doors and arrest me then send me to prison for using incandescent light bulbs?
I am diagnosed by my doctor with a medical sensitivity to fluorescent lighting that causes me to eventually get raging headaches whenever under the bombardment of prolonged fluorescent light(s) in confined spaces, ie; rooms and offices. It’s the frequency at which fluorescent lights operate that causes it, as well as even untangable flickering and the tint of the lighting. I’m just super-sensitive to fluorescent light no matter what form it comes in. Even at home on my computer, I have to use an LCD monitor operating at 70mHz or higher to avoid getting throbbing headaches from the refresh frequency of the monitor. My monitors at work when I’m inside the office, which are CRT monitors still, have to be set at 75mHz+ to avoid debilitating headaches when I’m stuck inside.
Fluorescent lights “pulse” energy through the tube at 20-60mHz, causing the bulb to light, and the frequency of the pulse has a strobe effect and causes the migraines. The strobe effect is pretty much invisible to the naked eye, but you can catch it on film under the right camera settings, or when a ballast starts to go out. Then you can see the pulse at a much lower frequency due to the malfunctioning ballast. Thankfully, I am outdoors in my job mostly and whenever out and about to restaurants, or wherever fluorescent lights are used, I am not usually there for hours on end. Migraines are avoided, but even after about an hour and a half in a fluorescent lighted room I start to get a headache from the lights. It eventually turns into a pounding headache that really can’t be described, unless you’ve ever suffered an intense migraine.
If these self-important self-serving legends-in-their-own-mind politicians feel compelled to mandate UNDER LAW what form of lighting I can have in my own home, and there is no stopping it, they better write in an exception for those with medical conditions that cause even slight physiologic reaction to fluorescent lights. And even if they make it the law without exception, I will skulk around in dark alleys downtown until I find a bulb-peddler with illeagal black-market incandescent bulbs to buy.
What a crock of buffalo chips.
SilverStar830 on May 6, 2007 at 2:41 PM
I agree with you
On the Federal level they do not meet the strict definition of a D-Listed EPA/RCRA hazardous waste. However, states like California and a few others have enacted state regs dealing directly with fluorescent lamps (and other “recyclables”) making them hazardous waste.
The Irony…
The Feds are making incandescent lights illegal, while at the same time allowing States to make fluorescent lamps illegal. Pretty soon we will be back to using candles.
Lawrence on May 6, 2007 at 2:49 PM
As I have stated elsewhere, I live in a passive solar heated house. When we had the house designed, the architect included the use of florescent light tubes in almost all the light fixtures, the exceptions being certain hallway fixtures and the chandelier over the dining room table. Everything else, bedrooms, kitchen, bathrooms, closets, stair well, family room loft, etc., have built-in florescent fixtures.
They really are MUCH cheaper to operate (if left on), because they consume much less electricity, but are more expensive to purchase when replacing. We found out that the starters consume most of the energy, so the trick is to not flick them on and off “to save energy” the way you’d do with an incandescent. Turn them on and leave them on if you intend to remain in the space.
We’ve also found that halogen task lights and tracks are cheaper than incandescent desk/floor and we’ve replaced the chandelier with a flexible halogen track light that “fixed” the problem of why the chandelier isn’t centered over the dining room table when we insert the leaves.
So, I have no problem with using florescent lights and the issue of mercury contamination is overblown. I recommend them highly.
But, a forced conversion to florescent residential lighting is going to be opposed by the electric companies because it will lower their revenue.
Why? Because most of the industry are Enron-wannabees. Greedy bastids who won’t stand still for any reduced power consumption by the public.
No, I’m not paranoid and I have a reason to advocate this. I’m living it right now.
Here in Illinois, we have are own little Enron scandal brewing. A few years ago, the power company (Commonwealth Edison) which serves northern Illinois, “reorganized” itself into “component parts” — a “holding company,” (Excelon) a generation company, and a distribution company (ComEd). Excelon sold off much of the generation company (mostly coal/gas plants) but retained the nukes in it’s generation subsidiary and now buys power from the same coal/gas generators that it once owned.
Illinois had a 10 year rate freeze that ended on 12/31/06.
Technically, Illinois (like California) “deregulated” the electricity industry, allowing “competition” to use the infrastructure (the distribution network, including ComEd in northern Illinois) to deliver generated power to consumers. Except… there are NO COMPANIES selling electricity to consumers anywhere in the state. Business customers have dozens of companies fighting for their their business, but NOBODY is competing with “ComED”/Excelon, whose market is the northern, most populated part of the state. No-one. Nada. Zippo. Consumers in northern Illinois MUST buy their electricty from Excelon as a supplier, and pay their wholly-owned subsidiary, ComEd, to deliver it to their meter.
On Jan 1, “ComEd” (the distribution company who supplies the residential power) raised its rates an AVERAGE of 22 percent. So did the other electric companies in the state, BTW.
Now, just like Enron, “ComEd” (Excelon’s subsidiary, remember) buys electricity from Excelon (at a profit to Excelon), who then passes the “price increase” along to the residential consumer. Of course, Excelon buys it’s electricity from it’s generation subsidiary (and the neww owners of it’s former coal/gas generation plants), marks up the price and then sells it to ComEd.
It’s the Enron scheme.
Now, ComEd, claiming that there was an “auction” last year, and that their corporate parent, Excelon, was the “lowest bidder” and got the contract to supply electricity that they distribute. What they don’t say is that Excelon was the MAJOR bidder, almost the ONLY bidder.
Mucho profito to Excelon as a result.
So, Excelon executives are giving themselves multi-million dollar bonuses, thanks to the obscene profits. The executives of their subsidiaries aren’t being left out either, the executives of ComEd were getting stock options in Excelon (their parent) while claiming that ComEd was losing money during the freeze, and were still doing so, until caught by the major media.
Most of the state legislatures want to ROLL BACK the rate increases in reimpose to where they were on December 31. ComEd is putting on a full court TV advertising press, claiming that Illinois will end up like California did if they do.
But what is really killing the attempts to stop the price gouging, is the Senate President, Emil Jones, DEMOCRAT-Chicago, who is a paid subsidiary of Excelon. Yep. He is OWNED by Excelon for all intents and purpsoes. That’s IL-polspeak for saying that he gets a LOT of donations from Excelon, their executives, and their employee-PACS.
My electric bills went up 18% over 2006, so I did slightly better than most. But because people have started conserving on their own (by converting to florescent in droves), ComEd NOW says they aren’t making enough money and are working to increase electric rates again.
In the meantime Excelon is, of course, reporting record profits, and paying their executives millions in bonuses.
Mark my words — If the Democrats get their way and force residential conversion to florescent, EVERY power company will cry “poor house” and DEMAND rate hikes to compensate. The public will SAVE NOT ONE THIN DIME in the long run.
georgej on May 6, 2007 at 2:50 PM
I think we should go back to slaughtering whales to render their oil for lanterns.
csdeven on May 6, 2007 at 2:50 PM
Not only that SilverStar, but many children with autism and adhd can “hear” the buzzing noise of fluorescent lights. And I love your description of politicians –
perfect.
pullingmyhairout on May 6, 2007 at 2:51 PM
Facts,figures,science,ect.ect.blah blah blah Ad Nauseum. This is what the future looks like folks! I will say Dick Cheney likes the bright side of the picture.
sonnyspats1 on May 6, 2007 at 3:01 PM
How many Dems does it take to change a light bulb?
see-dub, I’m with you man, I hate flourescent lights too. Congress needs to leave people alone already.
CP on May 6, 2007 at 3:05 PM
The mercury in cfl’s needing to be treated as hazardous waste is NOT a myth!
I hope the mercury folks come out to say NO against this..as well as epileptic folks.
I am sick of our gov’t making things so tough for us to get. I wanted to buy a natural cotton bed for my kid but needed to find a doc (/rolls eyes) to say that I could have one. WTH! I got a rubber bed instead..it’s great..no chemicals.
Gov’t stay out of our lighting!
Highrise on May 6, 2007 at 3:10 PM
Any of these morons ever put a fluorescent in a dimmer switch?
I have to have a regular lamp at my workdesk to improve the light in my office. And my coworker had our facilities guys disconnect the ffluorescents over his area because they were killing his eyes. The buzz is also annoying.
Now where’s the super genius who has the energy efficeny of a fluorescent and the light of an incandesent?
Iblis on May 6, 2007 at 3:13 PM
For years, I would check all the viral emails I got from friends at Snopes. However, I have come to realize that they are no better than Google and Wiki and indeed are pushing their own agenda. Just sayin’.
More importantly, check out this article from American Thinker. Some excerpts:
“…the new CFLs produce inferior light compared to incandescents, we’ll need more of them to read, shave, comb our hair and brush our teeth.”
“…banning the incandescent lightbulb Congress will forcibly remove a staple commodity from the marketplace, replacing it with products that are far more expensive, less reliable and more hazardous…”
“And guess where the extra purchase prices for these CFLs will wind up? In the pockets of Chinese manufacturers, because not a single CFL is produced in the US.”
” As Chinese manufacturers add enough manufacturing capacity to produce ten times as many CFLs , they will need several new coal-fired power plants to run the new factories.”
Lots to think about.
IrishEi on May 6, 2007 at 3:20 PM
I would like to know who the idiotic Republicans are that are supporting this bill. I hate flourescent lights, and most people I know do as well. There are Republicans that would actually mandate that everyone use flourescent lights in their houses? That is creepy.
Hopefully, this Sarkozy victory in France will be a wakeup call to Democrats not to push their extremist vision too far. It has to be a depressing day for Democrats and liberals.
januarius on May 6, 2007 at 3:22 PM
You know, that’s a weird thing you bring up SilverStar, I have always been amazed as to how some people’s CRT’s look like they were flickering to me, when they apparently looked perfectly normal to them, at least that’s what the people always say when I ask them about it anyway. A quick check always easily confirms my suspicion that their video cards are set to some generic monitor and is stuck on 60hz refresh rate. The funny thing is, when I reset their cards to something over 72hz, so I can at least stand to look at their screen without it making my eyes feel strange and my head start to hurt, they always shrug and say that they cannot tell the difference. Apparently some people are far more bothered by such things than others, and it is always most apparent when the room is running fluorescents that the CRT’s are in. Thank God for proliferation of LCD’s that mostly make this all go away. They don’t look near as good as a good 19″ CRT running 1280 x 1024 at 90hz, but it sure saves on the Bufferin.
Anyway, I wonder if the libtards have thought to allow people who are physically bothered by fluorescents to get a doctors excuse in order that they might be “allowed” to possess a regular light bulb…at least, as long as they only had it in their home, only purchased one a month or so, or were on their way to or from, a licensed and regulated store that was authorized by the Federal Government to sell, at hugly inflated costs no doubt, regular old light bulbs to the poor saps who need them. We poor saps would of course need to be registered and carry a current photo ID license, and equal opportunity employees of the Federal government would of course keep a file on each one of us showing all our personal information, how many of these light bulbs were in our possession at any one time, the wattages of the bulbs, and their make and model. We would also, of course, be required to notify the State Police whenever one of them burned out and was going to be replaced, so an officer could come to our home and retrieve said burned out bulb so that it might not get into the hands of someone who might try to repair it in some way, thus creating an illegal incandescent bulb within society.
And then we will have to let more criminals out of the Nations prisons, since we all know that, like you pointed out, illegal light bulbs would be finding their way across our borders, thus filling our courts with incandescent addicts and pushers, who would most certainly need to be removed from society because, after all, it IS about “saving the world” after all, and what on earth, including even murder(which to a libtarded mind actually HELPS the earth because of overpopulation), could possibly be more important?
Is that really what a sleeping American public needs, the liberal brain falling out minds in charge of everything, to finally make them wake up and take a stand at the voting booth against these Godless, worldly fools? Or are we just living in and being first hand witnesses to, the final decline and destruction of the United States of America, never to be heard from again, as the world embraces itself and calls good things bad, and evil things “good”…
NRA4Freedom on May 6, 2007 at 3:25 PM
Just to put a kick in this, CFL’s are not quite the same as the flourescent hell’s we tend to work in. They save money on electric bills, last longer, are more environementally friendly, and give off better light.
The best are the “daylight” types, particularly the ones at home depo. Almost every lamp in my house has one, and I save a lot of money every month, plus they light up my home quite nicely.
Don’t let the enviro-nuts turn you off to them.
William Teach on May 6, 2007 at 3:41 PM
Now Crittenden will have to start calling them the “DimCong” instead of the “DemCong.”
bdfaith on May 6, 2007 at 3:44 PM
Candles… check.
Lamp oil… check.
Matches… check.
Like several other posters here, I too am sensitive to flouro lights. No way I’m putting ‘em in at home.
Rusty Bill on May 6, 2007 at 4:07 PM
They can have my bulbs when they pry them from my cold, dead, burnt fingers!
csdeven on May 6, 2007 at 4:16 PM
How many congressmen does it take to change a light bulb?
Wade on May 6, 2007 at 4:26 PM
I went a few rounds with a couple guys at work over this. The average 60w CFL has about 4-5 grams of mercury in them. You need about 400 ppm per square foot in order for it to be conseidered a hazard. You can’t clean this stuff up unless you have zinc or sulfur and if it’s absorbed in your carpet, you will need to replace it. They don’t recommend these buld in overhead, recessed, or sockets that use dimmer switches. You can only use CFL’s in very few lamps and disposing of them is not a very convienient thing to do. I think IKEA does have a disposal center, but I haven’t verified it. Either way, I will not be using CFL’s in my home for any reason.
whtabtbill on May 6, 2007 at 5:12 PM
216 y
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Tennman on May 6, 2007 at 5:30 PM
we’ll do it in the dark
Ropera on May 6, 2007 at 5:31 PM
Well, it should make for an expensive secular non-denominational winter holiday decorating season…
rw on May 6, 2007 at 5:32 PM
Let’s organize the Edison Resistance Militia…I’ll bring the sodas.
Ropera on May 6, 2007 at 5:33 PM
According to the published information I’ve read, you’re off by a factor of a thousand.
http://www.nema.org/lamprecycle/epafactsheet-cfl.pdf
I have compact fluorescent bulbs all over my home. I use daylight-spectrum bulbs from Full Spectrum Solutions. Their light matches the color of the light coming through the windows; it’s beautiful. As for disposal, I’ll worry about that in a few years, when they start to burn out.
Can we talk go back to talking about The War to Not Be Killed, Forced to Become Muslims, or Taxed for Being Unbelievers?
Kralizec on May 6, 2007 at 5:39 PM
As usual, a bunch of media hysteria about things that they really don’t understand.
On and off I’ve worked with a lot of mercury in a lot of forms. Even gave myself mercury vapor poisioning once when I let about a pound of silver amalgam (about 20% mercury) get too hot and boil off in an only slightly ventillated room.
Even swallowed some mercury as a kid and probably absorbed many mercury compounds through my skin and lungs over the years.
Of course many of you may now be saying “Oh, So that is why LegendHasIt is such a retard.”… Well, maybe so.
Here is a little rationality on the subject:
ScienceBlogs.com
I’m mostly all converted over to flourescents. Long tube ones in the workshop and mad-psuedo-scientist’s laboratory; CFLs in most of the lights in the house. The only incandescents in regular use are the decorative bulbs in the ‘chandaliers’, and I’m tired of replacing 1-3 of them on average a week, (we get a lot of power surges that make them ‘instaflash’ and the CFLs are much more resistant to that.) Now that they are selling CFLs in that form, I’ll probably switch over.
I use the ’sunlight’ or ‘daylight’ types of long tube and CFLs. They cost a little more, but they render ‘true colors’ and are easier on even sensitive eyes.
Oh and CFLs have ~5 MILIGRAMS of mercury in them, not 4-5 Grams as indicated above. That is about 5000 broken CFL lights to ‘free’ a mere ounce of mercury.
LegendHasIt on May 6, 2007 at 6:30 PM
Eh, I’ve been gradually replacing all my bulbs at home with fluorescent ones. They last waaaaay longer than incandescent bulbs.
That they use less energy is a bonus.
flipflop on May 6, 2007 at 6:34 PM
do you know what happens if you break an incandescent light bulb? I mean we’ve all broken light bulbs before at one point and time, it just happens. Well guess what; becqause there’s MERCURY in an ICD lightbulb you have to call HAZMAT out to either remove it and clean or just to clean it after you remove it. In addition you need to wear gloves, put it in a special trashbag (made from petroleum products, OIL!!!) and preety much disinfect yourself for two hours just to make sure you don’t die from freakin MERCURY POISIONING!!!
Defector01 on May 6, 2007 at 6:34 PM
It has little to do with CFLs and much more to do with individual freedoms. When government tells me what bulbs I can use to light my house I draw the line and resume stocking the bunker.
It’s one thing to convince me that CFLs are a better choice for intelligent energy consumption and quite another to take my choices away by government decree. I’m sure that Comrade Gore has a hand in this somewhere (and is making money off of it too).
Buzzy on May 6, 2007 at 6:56 PM
Oh ok, lets outlaw them, but only if we get a break on our electric bills with all the savings the power company will have. You don’t think they are going to charge us more for using less? and claim they dont have enough revenue due to the drop in demand? We make it easier on them so they don’t have to manufacure as much, then they’ll stick it to us. Oh…and let’s see Vegas go flourescent too. I have 7 lamps in my damn house and 2 porch lights, to Vegas’s 9 gazillion lights….
johnnyU on May 6, 2007 at 7:01 PM
Just for this, I’m going back to oil lamps and candles.
- The Cat
P.S. But what I’d really like to have are those lights in Ideality, where they pump fire into the globes.
MirCat on May 6, 2007 at 7:01 PM
There is something screwy about the whole thing. In order to be good for the environment and less wasteful and less consuming of resources, the entire package of CFL versus incandescence, from initial manufacture to final disposal is the calculation to look at, not the fraction of it representing its operational use in a home or business.
How much more inputs go into making one CFL versus one incandescent? It has more components, which also have to be manufactured and shipped to the main plant, more assembly, more variety of materials used, including mercury AND plastics. It even requires more glass than an incandescent. All this is represented in the price, which is many times more than incandescents. It may pull less electricity in use, but it requires a lot more energy to make it and deliver and even its packaging is more elaborate and energy-consuming than the simple paper cartons of incandescents. They’re heavier, which translates into more shipping costs for bulk. Finally, they are more difficult to dispose of and have non-biodegradable components – remember the plastics? Incandescents are essentially glass and metal, nothing tricky.
My latest CLS lasted 6 months. Not good. They are not suited for motion-sensor lighting, with the constant on-off. And if we are to leave them on for maximum light, isn’t that a waste of electricity over the long run?
I would love to see the numbers – the real ones. The manufacturers know exactly how much goes into these things.
naliaka on May 6, 2007 at 7:14 PM
Query:
“How many greenies does it take to screw in a light bulb?”
Answer:
“None. They hold the bulb straight up in the air, and the entire world is required to revolve around them and their illuminating ideas.”
CyberCipher on May 6, 2007 at 7:15 PM
My question..
Just where in the Constitution does it say that Congress has the power to do this?
Congress’s powers are clearly stated, and all other powers devolve to the individual states. Are they trying to stretch the Interstate Commerce to cover this?
Just like the environmental laws, this is not in Congress purview.
Romeo13 on May 6, 2007 at 7:36 PM
CyberCipher on May 6, 2007 at 7:15 PM
Or, How many Greens does it take to change a light bulb.
None, but it does take an act of congress.
- The Cat
P.S. I think I may have heard that on talk radio somewhere, but I’m not sure.
MirCat on May 6, 2007 at 7:51 PM
naliaka on May 6, 2007 at 7:14 PM
I vote to send naliaka before a congressional committee to debate this new proposal.
sonnyspats1 on May 6, 2007 at 8:07 PM
has little to do with CFLs and much more to do with individual freedoms. When government tells me what bulbs I can use to light my house I draw the line and resume stocking the bunker.
It’s one thing to convince me that CFLs are a better choice for intelligent energy consumption and quite another to take my choices away by government decree. I’m sure that Comrade Gore has a hand in this somewhere (and is making money off of it too).
Buzzy on May 6, 2007 at 6:56 PM
Facts,figures,science,ect.ect.blah blah blah Ad Nauseum. This is what the future looks like folks! I will say Dick Cheney likes the bright side of the picture.
sonnyspats1 on May 6, 2007 at 3:01 PM
Yeah cause you know where there going with this!
sonnyspats1 on May 6, 2007 at 8:09 PM
This is what the future looks like folks. Remember the ‘GAS SHORTAGES OF THE 70’s? All made up bat guano! Be prepared for mandatory black outs too.
I heard Fred!? mention in his speach the other day we needed to sacrafice for the grandkids. Is this what he’s talking about? Inquiring minds want to know.
sonnyspats1 on May 6, 2007 at 8:15 PM
They also do not work well in ovens or refrigerators.
Idiotic legislation again trumps common sense.
BacaDog on May 6, 2007 at 8:55 PM
Romeo13, that’s a much better argument than the arguments directed against CFL bulbs themselves. I wish I’d thought to make it myself, but I was overcome by annoyance and embarrassment over the arguments against CFLs. The only note of caution I’ll offer against your fine constitutional argument is that a good idea isn’t the best ground for a battle for federalism. Consider especially that one of the arguments in favor of CFLs can be made from the standpoint of national security. If there are limits on the federal principle, the security of a federal order is surely one of them.
Kralizec on May 6, 2007 at 9:33 PM
I think the debate part about the amount of mercury in these bulbs is a waste of time. Most are presuming that everyone is just going to trot right down to the recycle center.
Balderdash. Once these are the only bulbs you can use, there will be hundreds of MILLIONS of them in landfills coast to coast. And that number will grow with time.
Multiply that by milligrams or grams or whatever you want to get the final total, ‘Cause it’s gonna happen.
TheSev on May 6, 2007 at 9:40 PM
None.
They hire someone to do it for them.
Lawrence on May 6, 2007 at 9:47 PM
Heh. Exactly. And then a new bureaucracy will be drawn up to enforce the regulations, and make sure they’re being disposed of properly!
see-dubya on May 6, 2007 at 9:49 PM
Uhhh.. considering the CFLs are ALL MADE OVERSEAS mostly in China??? How can you consider it a “National Security” issue? Giving China the power to literaly turn out the lights in America is not a good idea IMO.
Romeo13 on May 6, 2007 at 9:58 PM
“it’s a luxury, I know, but a surprisingly affordable one–especially since they’re cheaper than the fluorescent bulbs.”
CW—you’re actually wrong about incandescents and halogens being cheaper than CFL bulbs. Yes, it is true that it costs less to buy 1 incandescent than to buy 1 CFL. However, 1 incandescent usually lasts about 3-9 months (depending on usage). 1 CFL lasts anywhere from 5-10 years. So over the same time period, its actually significantly cheaper to use CFL’s than halogens or incandescents. Also, they use about 1/4 of the energy of an incandescent so it is also much cheaper on your energy bill. So overall, no, CFL’s are much cheaper than regular incandescents.
truthmattersfa on May 6, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Heh. Utilities included!
see-dubya on May 6, 2007 at 10:15 PM
It’s all because of Globull Warming. But hey, at least your library card is safe … isn’t it?
All you need to know about Democrats in one sentence, raise taxes, fund socialism and gun control. Old Democrats same as new Democrats, they never learn.
tarpon on May 6, 2007 at 10:20 PM
Ah well, the technology of Light Emitting Diodes is moving so fast that in the very near future all this argument about Fluorescents will be moot in a couple of years.
LegendHasIt on May 6, 2007 at 10:21 PM
Wow, that was some bad sentence construction. Sorry
LegendHasIt on May 6, 2007 at 10:23 PM
Dadgummit — I meant 4mg’s — sorry Krazilec!
whtabtbill on May 6, 2007 at 10:31 PM
Can we swap my CFL bulbs for yours? I’m not getting those wonderful numbers.
hahaha! Makes me think of Dave Barry’s, Bureau of Marge. Anytime Congress wants something, they’d have to call her. Her job would be picking up the phone and snarling, “No!”
naliaka on May 6, 2007 at 10:43 PM
Heh. Exactly. And then a new bureaucracy will be drawn up to enforce the regulations, and make sure they’re being disposed of properly!
see-dubya on May 6, 2007 at 9:49 PM
Yeah, the Department of looking through everyone’s trash.
Total budget…. 7.5 Billion. Watch your wallets.
Heh.
TheSev on May 6, 2007 at 10:43 PM
This whole ‘green’ thing is all wrong. Sure we need to be envirmentally conscious and so forth but this is for all the wrong reasons.
There is a new huge storm on Jupiter. (look it up) and there’s melting ice caps on Mars. These problems are solar- related due to the increased acivity of the damn sun, not due to some guys figgin style of porch lamp. Its getting out of hand.
We had better be prepared for China though as I did hear someone mention. They are getting on the energy bandwagon and anything we save is going to be carelessly consumed by them. I am starting to think the next big war will be over energy and natural resources.
We have huge earthquake, tornadoes maxed out in a new tornadoe class already, and the threat of fish kills and depletion of pollenating bees. Folks this is much bigger than friggin light bulbs.
johnnyU on May 6, 2007 at 11:05 PM
Bingo.
Of course this is the ‘end game’ of what the Global Warming fantasy is all about . . . total control by government. For example, if the government can dictate how many gallons of gasoline you can buy a month, they can dictate where you live, where you work, the size of your family . . . everything.
Labamigo on May 7, 2007 at 12:01 AM
By the end of the first paragraph (of Euro/Blairite IngSoc quote), I was shaking with laughter. Too.Damn.Funny.
Jaibones on May 7, 2007 at 12:06 AM
Fluorescent lights can trigger seizures.
If this folly is ever getting close to being mandate, people need to have a “Seize-In” on the steps of the Capitol.
The more, the twitchier.
profitsbeard on May 7, 2007 at 12:25 AM
Eco-hypocrites existed back in 2003, and haven’t done a thing to change, au contraire, they’ve built more homes, for the total of 2 people to the household.
Click on the images to enlarge, if you wish to see how Barbra Steisand lives, while she tells you what to do, or not to do. Don’t be afraid – she lost the law suit against Mr. Adelman, whom she claimed was enabling us to infringe on her privacy by posting her compound on the web; never mind that he and his wife had photographed 35,000 coastal homes and posted them all on the internet on californiacoastline.org
I bet our illustrious Congress considers calling her to testify for global warming initiatives.
Entelechy on May 7, 2007 at 12:37 AM
I am starting to think the next big war will be over energy and natural resources.
johnnyU on May 6, 2007 at 11:05 PM
UH hello Iraq-Oil Ya think?
sonnyspats1 on May 7, 2007 at 12:41 AM
How about making some buttons?
My Lamp, My Choice
Jim Treacher on May 7, 2007 at 1:10 AM
Let’s hear more from the women out there. What happened to the “woman’s right to choose” doctrine?
Jeff on May 7, 2007 at 1:12 AM
Damn, Jim Treacher. While I was writing my post you got yours in. Now mine sure looks very unoriginal. Well, my mother always said that I was dilatory.
Jeff on May 7, 2007 at 1:18 AM
I like it. “Keep your Green Mania Off My Sylvania”
see-dubya on May 7, 2007 at 1:26 AM
I’m starting a new business of dumptruck deliveries of glow worms.
Bulbs are so passe!
Shy Guy on May 7, 2007 at 1:57 AM
like it. “Keep your Green Mania Off My Sylvania”
see-dubya on May 7, 2007 at 1:26 AM
Heh Heh By takin my lights you violate my rights!
sonnyspats1 on May 7, 2007 at 2:06 AM
you violate my rights!
sonnyspats1 on May 7, 2007 at 2:08 AM
I’m curious what optometrists think of flourescents vs incadescent. It’s not good for your eyes to be in that kind of light. And the pulsing of those lights gives some people headaches.
Spassvogel on May 7, 2007 at 4:51 AM
OK, lorien, not enough in ONE BULB to be considered hazardous waste…but what of the LANDFILL BRIMMING WITH THEM??
Hazardous enough for you?
AND WHO CAN SEE BY THOSE THINGS ANYWAY?
They suck quite nicely at LIGHTING….are they decorative?
seejanemom on May 7, 2007 at 6:07 AM
When you build a better mousetrap the world will beat a path to your door. When someone builds a better light bulb, congress will not need to act because the market will take care of these problems. And trust me, manufacturers have been working constantly to make better light bulbs because there is money to be made off of them.
Congress, in its supreme arrogance, doesn’t want the market to decide. After all, they are too smart and too important to let something like capitalism and ingenuity win out.
cmay on May 7, 2007 at 6:59 AM
THE LIGHTING MYTH
A common myth about lighting systems is that it is more expensive to turn lights on and off, so it’s better to just leave lights on all the time. Not true! Fifty or sixty years ago, when lamps were expensive and electricity was inexpensive, that may have been true. Times have changed, and now lamps are relatively inexpensive and electricity is expensive. [snip]
for fluorescent lamps, the breakeven point is about five minutes. In other words, if fluorescent lights will be off for five minutes or longer, it’s more cost effective to turn them off than to leave them on.
http://www.energy.unh.edu/Tips_Lites.htm
Mythbusters also busted that myth recently.
TheBigOldDog on May 7, 2007 at 7:31 AM
Your nightmare is aready happening, at State level. States have jumped on the recycling band-wagon and regulating fluorescent lamps (among other things) as hazardous waste in order to make people recycle them.
Lawrence on May 7, 2007 at 9:17 AM
naliaka “Can we swap my CFL bulbs for yours? I’m not getting those wonderful numbers. “
When you buy from them from Wal-mart, Home Depot, etc..almost all of them have the expected life printed on the outside of the packaging. It’s technically based on total usage so if there is a light that you leave on 24 hrs a day 365 days a year, it won’t last 5-10 years, but pretty much every CFL comes with a guarantee that it last for a certain length of time, and if not, it can be replaced.
truthmattersfa on May 7, 2007 at 9:32 AM
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