profitsbeard on May 6, 2007 at 11:54 PM

Not to mention that you’d think those evil geniuses who pulled off the biggest conspiracy the planet has ever seen weren’t able to see some college kids in their dorm rooms seeing the “controlled demolition”. I mean, they pulled of a plan that required thousands of people to be involved and not blowing the whistle (brainwashed perhaps?), including eye witnesses, people who received phone calls from family on the planes, etc…. But they couldn’t think to make the collapses look more natural? What benefit was there to making the collapses “look” so controlled? More death and destruction if those monster towers had tipped and destroyed other buildings, so why not set up the explosives accordingly? (Of course everyone knows this is ridiculous because they science explains why they fell the way they did. The steel lost a significant amount of it’s structural integrity after being superheated for a period of time. It just couldn’t hold the weight of the floors above any longer. When they crashed down, the weight caused each floor or group of floors to pancake down on eachother. This only makes sense. There is no reason for the towers to go down any other way, considering what happened. I do believe the terrorists may have been shocked that the towers actually went down… I’m not certain they planned that part out. But nothing about this indicates a controlled demolition. But the point was, don’t you think that the Bushinati would have foreseen that some loser Cho wannabe college kids with no training in structural engineering (and on one on their side with such training) would recognize a “controlled demolition” when they saw one and alert the world to Bushsfeldeyoveiburton’s world domination plot!?

Shouldn’t they have done Part Two of the diabolic plot and planted the WMD’s in Iraq?

They can hijacker four airliners, kill thousands, but can’t plant a few cannisters of sarin or some old Los Alamos warheads to justify everything, win the day, and guarantee their side’s glowing politcal success?

This Truther silliness fails to follow its own stupid logic to any rational conclusions.

Bush and Co. are cunning devils… who are too dumb to hide the weapons of mass destruction that their ENTIRE Evil Plan depended upon when they killed the 3,000 Americans in the first place?

WTF????

Morons, Inc.

RightWinged on May 6, 2007 at 5:07 PM

The thing that sticks out in my mind (if I’m remembering correctly) is that just a few days ago bradky was claiming some expertise in a field that was technical in nature. Then he makes a bone headed mistake like this, which isn’t a problem because we all make mistakes. The real problem is the way he is trying to deny responsibility. THAT is not a attitude that gets anyone anywhere in any technical field.

So, I called bull$hit on bradky and his “expertise” then and this latest event only confirms it further. The only thing he is expert in is failing to get anyone to buy into his crapola.

Bradky tried to correct himself and at a minimum you should both acknowledge that, or leave it be. It takes a strong person to say “I was wrong”. When they do, we could be forgiving and gracious, and not argue further. It’s unusual to argue with anyone who claims that they were wrong.

Entelechy on May 6, 2007 at 2:10 PM

The problem is (unless I’m missing a post), he’s not admitting he is wrong, and that I’m right (which I am), he admitted at one point that his numbers were wrong, but the numbers he seemed to use in place of them were just as wrong.

Is this the post he’s claiming to have admitted his mistake in?

Bradky on May 6, 2007 at 12:16 AM

Because in it, he’s being as dishonest as in the others. I’m going on the assumption he’s not stupid, because he is the one who came in here with his head high attempting to hand us our asses with math, yet he failed repeatedly and kept submitting false numbers. Now after someone (me) took a lot of time breaking it all down, he just wants to brush it off and move on.

Whether it sickens me or not is not the issue. You can call me a liar or whatever you like — I pointed out the numbers because it seems that a poll based on a sample size of 800 people just didn’t ring true.

I do fail to see how someone who corrects a mistake publicly is a liar.

Bradky on May 6, 2007 at 8:31 AM

Now you didn’t simply point out the sample size issue. We would all agree that sample sizes will always be a problem with polls. First of all, I’m not sure where you got the 800 number anyway, but that’s irrelevant.

YOU tried to play the game, and got busted trying to split the 140 registered voters 50/50. This isn’t a mistake, unless you’re admitting to being an idiot. Find me a person that actually believes that there are simply 70 Republicans and 70 Democrats. I give you the party breakdown, to which you then you pull some unrelated poll of people eligible to vote from 3 years ago. You still keep playing around with the numbers dishonestly, and then disappear, only to come back when I have taken your bait and written a lengthy post, having spent a lot of time on the math and writing it, only to have you say “I already admitted the mistake”, which you didn’t. You admitted some other mistake, you aren’t acknowledgings what I discovered

It’s all in my lenghty posts here:

RightWinged on May 6, 2007 at 1:27 AM
and
RightWinged on May 6, 2007 at 8:03 AM

And by the way, in desperately trying to get you to acknowledge my findings, I throw out a simple question

I didn’t see you acknowledge how disturbing it is that only 39% of Dems can say Bush didn’t know. That doesn’t sicken you?

To which you respond:

Whether it sickens me or not is not the issue.

Bradky on May 6, 2007 at 8:31 AM

It’s “not the issue”? Or you just don’t want to answer it? You can’t bring yourself to say it’s embarrassing that only 39% of your party can confidently say Bush didn’t know about 9/11 beforehand. I’m embarassed that only 87.5 Republicans are confident enough to say that. Oh, I forgot, that’s not the issue (read: you are afraid to answer).

Bottom line, you set out to challenge folks here and you got THOROUGHLY destroyed, and now you won’t even take the time to read the posts and acknowledge the numbers and admit, not to mistakes, but your deliberate misleading. Again, do you expect us to believe that you honestly made a “mistake” and thought that party identity numbers were 50/50 GOP/Dem? If so, perhaps commenting on political blogs isn’t a good hobby for you. You would literally have to be retarded or a young child to be under that 50/50 belief.

Regardless of party affiliation, there are a few truthers, other than the groupies on the Left; just as crazy.

Bradky tried to correct himself and at a minimum you should both acknowledge that, or leave it be. It takes a strong person to say “I was wrong”. When they do, we could be forgiving and gracious, and not argue further. It’s unusual to argue with anyone who claims that they were wrong.

I hope all three of you still have a great Sunday. Mine promises to turn out glorious, as I can’t wait to celebrate Mr. Sarkozy’s win!!! Champagne on the ready, and I don’t even like it. Regards to all,

why haven’t they jumped all over this “proof” that Booosh knew?

csdeven on May 6, 2007 at 9:25 AM

Because they can’t really lose their own straw-man argument. As long as they keep us busy with their straw-man the real issues at hand never get debated or resolved. Ironically, in the end, we all lose.

One the one hand these people believe that our government intelligence services can CAN’T find their butt with both hands, yet somehow the government knew all about 9/11.

Lawrence on May 6, 2007 at 9:21 AM

I liked how Bill O said it. With all the media that want to destroy Bush (bbc etc), why haven’t they jumped all over this “proof” that Booosh knew? If there was any proof, it’d be out there by now.

All they have are the imaginations of crazy people.

Entelechy,

I understand your sentiment, but, and as you know, you are using “liberal stupidity relativity” to compliment bradky. Fools who continue with their flawed line of logic in the face of the facts, are just as worthy of scorn as the other jerk-off libs that frequent here.

We can’t start accepting a less stupid libs BS, just because it’s less inane than other kooky libs. When this tool bradky can start using some logic instead of the libs moonbattery then he’d deserve a simple compliment from his better.

You tell me… insane, or not insane?

Bradky on May 5, 2007 at 8:55 PM

Oh great. More misguided claptrap driven by BDS. So, in your mind, only dems and reps vote. Have you ever heard of independents? You. Are. A. TOOL.

I didn’t see you acknowledge how disturbing it is that only 39% of Dems can say Bush didn’t know. That doesn’t sicken you?

Whether it sickens me or not is not the issue. You can call me a liar or whatever you like — I pointed out the numbers because it seems that a poll based on a sample size of 800 people just didn’t ring true.

I do fail to see how someone who corrects a mistake publicly is a liar.

RightWinged on May 6, 2007 at 8:03 AM

No, not lying. But that won’t make you stop saying that.

The fact is, AT MOST 5.5 million (12.5%) Republicans are Truther sympathizers.. BUT in reality, they are a mixture of Truther sympathizers and those that said they didn’t know. Rasmussen doesn’t give us the breakdown for the GOP, so we don’t know. This also doesn’t allow us to figure out the percentages for independents for any category.

Democrats on the other hand have 31.76 million (61%!!!). 18.228 million who are Truther sympathizers, the other roughly 13.5 million said they didn’t know. But again, it’s sad that only 39% of Democrats can confidently say Bush didn’t know about 9/11 beforehand.

Now, you can be a jerk and overlook all of that information that I spent a lot of time working out so I could end your BS once and for all, and just say “I already corrected it”, when your “correction”, has nothing to do with any of those, the actual numbers.

Sure, you may have dropped the 50/50 Dem/Repub split after I busted you earlier… But that doesn’t excuse the fact that you tried to pull it in the first place. And it doesn’t excuse the fact that you tried to use some 3 year old poll from USA Today about those eligible to vote (instead of voters, so the numbers would actual matter with respect to the Rasmussen poll that is the subject of this post).

So will you address the numbers, or just act like you “corrected” it already? I didn’t see you point out anywhere that only 5.5 million Republicans don’t say with certainty that Bush didn’t know about 9/11, and that it’s anyone’s guess as to how many are Truther sympathizers, and how many don’t have an opinion. I didn’t see you acknowledge how disturbing it is that only 39% of Dems can say Bush didn’t know. That doesn’t sicken you?

And in regards to my Alex Jones comment, no I don’t agree with you… First of all, we’re talking about Democrats and Republicans here… I don’t know if Jones is registered anything… My only point was that he calls himself a conservative, which is ridiculous. But I did this only to point out that there may be people who call themselves conservatives or Republicans, but that doesn’t mean they are. Alex Jones should be in a straight jacket, not any political party.

And it wasn’t “dithering”, it was called dealing with the actual numbers. You run in here acting like some big shot with stats, but you were dishonest with every thing you tried to do with the numbers and you created your own numbers, etc. etc. As I REPEATEDEDLY SAID, I couldn’t care less about the actual number of Republicans who fall in to the Truther crowd, but I do care about lying, which you were doing.

Anyway, I’m not even really arguing anything about what the numbers may or may not be, just that you’re using extremely flawed logic, especially when you started out dividing the 140 million voters up 50/50. Please admit that that was ridiculous?
RightWinged on May 6, 2007 at 1:27 AM

Considering that I corrected the figures at 12:16 A.M. and you make this statement an hour an half later just indicates you don’t read very thoroughly.

Once more, I don’t doubt that there are a number of registered Republicans that are Truthers. We know the Truthers’ commander in chief Alex Jones likes to call himself a conservative.
RightWinged on May 6, 2007 at 1:27 AM

Yet in the very same post after much dithering you agree with me.

Tony737 on May 6, 2007 at 1:37 AM

Argue the results with Rasmussen – I merely broke out the numbers that their percentages would mean.

The land underneath the DNC headquarters building could clearly be used for better things — like a hot dog stand!

Vote Democrat, vote STUPID traitor!

8 million Pubbies? I doubt they’d still call ‘emselves ‘Pubs if they believed this crap.

RightWinged, I stand by my statement, which was not based on the math exercises going on here. I like that Bradky, even though we don’t agree, mostly, doesn’t just jump in, make a short insulting statement, and then disappears to watch the ’storm’. Also, he tries to give/take, versus just throw names at people, for not being of their belief/persuasion. I really wish we’d have more of this here. Always agreeing with each other w/b boring.

On the stats, in specific, other-than-liberals hold the opinion, though in lower numbers. Thus, there must be some truthers in the other categories – disturbing and sanity-questionable.

Entelechy on May 6, 2007 at 12:37 AM

No, that’s fine, I wasn’t talking about your personal comments to him.. Just that you were taking his flawed numbers at face value, when his assumptions that went in to them were ridiculous.

You said

Just proves that idiocy is not exclusive to your party Bradky, but it sure predominates there.

And I just wanted to make clear that while they may not all be registered Democrats, the problem is much worse on his side than his numbers would have you believe.

Try dealing in logical analysis rather than name calling just because you don’t agree with me or better yet talk to Rasmussen to get them to skew the stats to your liking.

Bradky on May 6, 2007 at 12:07 AM

I’m not sure how interested I am in this, so it may be a bit before I check your methods again if I bother to at all, but the point was YOU chose to split the country 50/50 Dems/Republicans which is utterly ridiculous.

As for name calling… what did I call you?

Ah screw it, I just looked through the numbers a bit…

For starters, the numbers from that USA Today piece you link to are OVER 3 YEARS OLD. Secondly, how did you determine what percentage of independents agree with Truthers? Third, where did you get 74 million? The number USA Today gives is 42 million for independents.

Back to Rasmussen, the reason I said that the Rasmussen link I gave was important is for starters that it’s a recent party identification poll, and secondly because the poll that is the subject of this entire post was conducted by Rasmussen. Also, that USA Today link talks about people eligible to vote, not registered voters. The Ras poll is about voters.

Anyway, I’m not even really arguing anything about what the numbers may or may not be, just that you’re using extremely flawed logic, especially when you started out dividing the 140 million voters up 50/50. Please admit that that was ridiculous?

Now, using the numbers provided in the poll that is the subject of this post, 7-to-1 Republicans reject the notion that Bush knew. So of the 44.1 million Repubs, only 5.5 don’t agree with the statement. Without being a premium member, we can’t figure out exacly how many of those simply don’t have an opinion, and how many actually think Bush knew.

And I’ll even help your side out. You read the stats wrong and originally calculated on the assumption 39% of Dems are Truthers. The number (read the post again) is actually 35%. So of the 140 million voters, 52.08 million are Dems (37.2% according to party identification poll). Which means actually 18.228 million agree with Truthers, where as your original odd assumptions said 22 million. See, I’m equal opportunity here… I’m just talking about accuracy, that’s all. Of course the Dems number gets more disturbing when you factor in the 26% who “don’t know”, giving you 61% (or 31.76 million)… Or as stated, only 39% of Democrats who are firmly NON-Truther. That’s sad, especially considering it’s barely any higher than the Truther sympathizers (again, 35%).

So, now, we can take 140 million, and see that 30.8 (22%) are Truther sympathizers. Subtract from that the 18.228 million Democrats, and we’re left with 12.572 million other Truther sympathizers that are either GOP or independent.

Now, remember that 5.5 million GOPers simply say they don’t know that Bush didn’t know. We again don’t know how many think he did and how many just don’t know. But assuming that ALL (which is a really bad assumption anyway) 5.5 million were actually Truther sympathizers, and that none were on the fence, we’re then left with 7.072 million independents that are Truther sympathizers. In reality, the independents number is going to be significantly higher, and the GOP number lower, because again, we don’t know what percentage of the 5.5 million Republicans said “I don’t know” and what percent said “Bush knew!”

So here’s the deal, the Democrats number was more like 18 million, not as bad as the 22 million you’d assumed. But this becomes more disturbing when you recognize that combining them with those Dems who are on the fence the number is actually 31.76 million (61% of Democrats, remember 35%+26%). Where as it’s, again, 5.5 million Republicans who are either Truther sympathizers or “don’t know”s, but we don’t know the breakdown (compared to your numbers that started out saying 8 million were actual Truther sympathizers)

Once more, I don’t doubt that there are a number of registered Republicans that are Truthers. We know the Truthers’ commander in chief Alex Jones likes to call himself a conservative. We all know of plenty of Republicans who we are embarassed to be associated with. But none of that get’s you out of the major Truther problem your party has, and the fact that only 39% of Democrats can confidently say Bush didn’t know.

On the stats, in specific, other-than-liberals hold the opinion, though in lower numbers. Thus, there must be some truthers in the other categories – disturbing and sanity-questionable.

News2Use on May 6, 2007 at 12:14 AM

Sure no problem:
For Democrats the range would be 68,760,000 to 75,240,000 total registered with a range of truther believers of 24,066,000 to 26,334,000

For Republicans the range would be 52,525,000 to 57,475,000 registered voters with a range of truther believers of 11,555,000 to 12,640,000

Bradky on May 6, 2007 at 12:07 AM

RW

Actually I made my first math mistake this season. The study I cited listed 72 million democrats, 55 million repubs, 42 unaffilliated of the 201 million.

This means that of registered voters 25 million democrats, 9 million unaffiliated and 12 million repubs are how the figures would break according to Rasmussen’s data.

Like I said the small sample size is problematic but since you insist on accuracy I thought I’d revise the numbers per the Rasmussen results of voters (in this example) vs results from all eligible voters from last post.

OK, now recalculate the range of Democrats and Republicans using the +/- 4.5% margin of error.