If a lefty rag prints something ridiculous and nobody reads it, did it really matter? I’m at a point now where Time Magazine not including the leader of the free world as one of its most influential people doesn’t surprise me. The media hate their own President above all else for some time now.

Welcome to any newcomers who still hoped that the drive-by media was at least somewhat “objective.” Well, it’s not.

Murtha is a proven liar concerning the briefing.

Murtha is a proven CROOK via ABSCAM.

Why is Murtha still a Congressman and not a federal prisoner awaiting completion of his sentence, again?

Vote Democrat, vote traitor.

Tell your son I’m very thankful and grateful for his service.

I agree with you. All the news coming out of Centcom isn’t rosy and wonderful, but there’s no way you can read the massive number of stories they post every single day and not see that we are making huge positive strides in Iraq. At great cost, yes, but still a great deal of progress is being made.

So damn much just goes un-reported on this side of the pond. It’s a disgrace what passes for news these days.

Back to work…

Tell your son I’m very thankful and grateful for his service.

I agree with you. All the news coming out of Centcom isn’t rosy and wonderful, but there’s no way you can read the massive number of stories they post every single day and not see that we are making huge positive strides in Iraq. At great cost, yes, but still a great deal of progress is being made.

So damn much just goes un-reported on this side of the pond. It’s a disgrace what passes for news these days.

Back to work…

From what I can see, we want them to become a democracy more than they want to become a democracy.

You have swallowed the MSM propaganda, hook, line and sinker.

Now you can go ahead and believe the Iraqis are not inclined to favor this democracy thingy over Saddam’s reign of terror, that’s your perogative. Polling data from the insurgent neighborhoods surrounding the Green Zone is by no means reflective of the Iraqi people as a whole. I’d like to know how the MSM correspondents are capable of conducting a poll of the people, since they are fearful of venturing beyond the Green Zone, and to the other regions of Iraq – where peaceful co-existence abounds, the actions of our troops are appreciated, business goes on as usual and Iraqi’s citizens are basking in the glow of freedom.

Don’t bother to ask how I would know this, or who are my sources – I’ll spare you the trouble. My source is reliable, truthful and currently serving his second tour in Iraq. His specialized training takes him to every corner of Iraq, so he’s well qualified to provide a more dynamic overview of conditions in their struggling democracy. He has told me how the Iraqi’s appreciate what we have done, are doing, but they also look forward to the day when our troops leave and they can manage and control their own destiny. Sure doesn’t sound like the bullcrap fed to us from the MSM, does it?

You don’t want to call my son a liar, do you?

Someday you’ll have to tell me what it is about the Mavs that you so dislike

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Two words: SPURS FAN.

Oh come on, be fair. Are you saying that up until the Dems took over Congress, we were the toast of the town in the Arab world?

I never said that. We have never been and never will be the “toast of the town in the Arab world”, but the fact of the matter is that the Dems have Islamic militants that are happy they won the elections, and have voiced this as a victory for them. When it comes to what is said over there, we have to read between the lines. And you know that what is said publicly doesn’t always coincide with what is said privately (and that’s always the case with our conversations with countries over there).

So we have 2 choices: stay as an occupier or leave. Neither good choices. But I am sick of this bullshit that we can make this into anything resembling a nation that can define itself and be at least neutral towards us.

So what you are saying is option 2 is better – even if we dragged into a much larger war later? I don’t understand that way of thinking – it’s like you are just saying “out of sight, out of mind.” It’s not going to just vanish when we leave, honora. Just because CNN and MSNBC stop reporting from a certain part of the world doesn’t mean news isn’t happening there.

Not only will switching to ethanol actually be counterproductive pollution wise, it would require 100% of current US corn crops to meet the Bush admins goals of production. Doesn’t sound too viable, does it.

SouthernDem on May 4, 2007 at 3:34 PM

If I may add:

While I can burn petroleium/oil in my car and eat corn. And I cannot burn corn/ethanol and eat the oil.

I’m all for developing alternative fuels, but not at the expense of starvation.

- Because this is HotA**, let me first say of American Shelley: nice cupcakes!

- JaHeyDere: Love the instant stats BS post; stfu.

- Hiraghm: you’re probably right. They have her in the tight sweater (which I love), miniskirt. Slutting her up for the rappers.

- Laurie David: Hey, let’s all take the Hot Air pledge! I hereby pledge to burn less fossil fuel each year than the David family has burned on average over the last ten years. I suspect that this slut has burned more petrol in the last three years than I will in my life. (JaHeyDere: instant stats! Gotta be true!)

Time: whatever. Bush animates every waking moment of every leftist in America and half of Europe (instant!), but he’s less influential than Elizabeth Edwards? Too funny.

As in “Nellie Ball” – those Warriors sure took it to the Mavs.

Rick on May 4, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Someday you’ll have to tell me what it is about the Mavs that you so dislike.

Gotta run all–techno, I will catch you later. Sorry is I was mean. I’m such a sheer delight in person. Oh shut up…

So we have 2 choices: stay as an occupier or leave. Neither good choices. But I am sick of this bullshit that we can make this into anything resembling a nation that can define itself and be at least neutral towards us.

honora on May 4, 2007 at 3:26 PM

It’s a Catch-22.

If we stay we control the stability of the Middle East. If we leave Iran will control the stability of the Middle East.

What we are doing right now is acting as a barrier between Arab, Syrian, Persian, and North African Muslims who want to eradicate Israel, and Israel who would respond with overwhelming force in self defence. This would be an extremely ugly thing, much much worse than the tiny war we are currently waging.

If we just up and leave now, we would be coming right back in the near future fighting a much larger scale conflict on the side of Israel.

Oh come on, be fair. Are you saying that up until the Dems took over Congress, we were the toast of the town in the Arab world?

But the dems have been openly signaling defeat WAY before they took power in that razor-thin election we just had.

The dems have been bleating defeatism for a long long time now. And the attitude of the Iraqi people and their leadership and the fighting factions among them are preparing themselves for when we unwisely abandon them.

honora, do you not see that the actions of the dems have really made a bad situation just that much worse? Pu aside the contrarian attitude for just a second and consider what I’m saying. Lamenting we’re there, and in the situation we’re in doesn’t move us closer to effectively solving the problem. Rhetoric without contributing ideas for solutions is a meaningless excercise. We could use some well thought out solutions, rather than expending all this energy on vitriol and hyperbole (both sides!).

Enjoy that martini, mighty gnat-swatter. Looking forward to the end of the day myself, but I’ve gotta get some work done. After all… I are the knuckle-draggin’ boss ’round these parts. I should be kickin’ my own ass into action instead of playing here with all of you. Duty calls. ;)

Ethanol: Not a panacea. It reduces oil use but may kill the rain forest. Poor women and children hit hardest. The corn god will not be appeased.

Absolutely correct. Not only will switching to ethanol actually be counterproductive pollution wise, it would require 100% of current US corn crops to meet the Bush admins goals of production. Doesn’t sound too viable, does it. I’m all for energy independence, but not at that cost.
Additionally, creating land for palm oil is responsible for a huge amount of deforestation in Malaysia (87% if I remember correctly).

Also, ethanol is only 2/3 as powerful as gasoline, so more ethanol is required to move the same distance.
JadeNYU on May 4, 2007 at 12:42 PM

Really? That’s an interesting factoid. I do know that the Indy car series has switched to ethanol exclusively. I wonder how that works.

And all the defeatist rhetoric coming from the current lib ‘leadership’ didn’t exacerbate that situation one bit, did it? Bull. They know the dems are helping them by tearing down the will of the American People. It’s exactly what they want, and it’s a mistake of epic and historic proportions

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As I pointed out to my friend Rick, if you are under the impression that all was just swell with the rest of the Arab world prior to this January, well you are way, way off base. I do admire the shameless alacrity with which you conveniently ignore the facts.

Tell me, whose fault was all this before Pelosi and Reid? And I think you have your sequence out of whack: the “will of the American People” is exactly what put the “current lib leadership” in power.

“Americanizing Shelley tells the story of a wanna-be Hollywood player, who sets out to Americanize secularize an Indian girl country bumpkin straight from the Himalayas. As he creatively teaches her all about the American way of life hedonism and what it takes to be a Hollywood celebrity sex-goddess.

I’m not sure there is anything really ‘new’ with this theme, except the country bumpkin is from the Himalayas instead of Kansas.

As far as wholesome… I guess it depends on one’s definition.

What do you expect? They see what’s going on here in the US. They see that the Dems are in charge of Congress, and are pushing for withdrawal. That scares the crap out of them. They are all trying to cover their own a$$e$ now.

Oh come on, be fair. Are you saying that up until the Dems took over Congress, we were the toast of the town in the Arab world?

Look, here’s where I struggle: we took down a nation that was a “nation” only thru the good auspices of Saddam. (This is sarcasm for some of the more literal readers of hotair.com) From what I can see, we want them to become a democracy more than they want to become a democracy. So we have 2 choices: stay as an occupier or leave. Neither good choices. But I am sick of this bullshit that we can make this into anything resembling a nation that can define itself and be at least neutral towards us.

techno_barbarian, I admire you even more for the way you got your education, and for running your business. I got my degrees later in life and no one believed that I didn’t have them sooner. Also, they are good to have, but not as good as many other traits, and they’re definitely overrated. Fortunately, in this country, they are not a requirement to succeed. What we know and what we do is way more important.

Entelechy on May 4, 2007 at 3:11 PM

Thanks, Entelechy. Your kind comments are much appreciated.

My lack of formal education has never been an impediment to me. Actually, it’s been an asset. My work speaks for itself, and it always brings in more work.

Oh Lord! You DID answer. I missed that.

Second, to be perfectly honest, I don’t know what I think. I guess I think we should have an internal go to hell date. The more I see what’s going on in this part of the world, the more obvious to me it is that there are very, very few people and nations, who are pulling for us. Not the Saudis, not the Eygptians, not the Arab “street”.

We have turned Iraq into an A Q magnet. This notion that we “are fighting them there so don’t follow us here” aka the Lassie POV, strikes me a bit naive. It’s not like A Q has a finite army that can only be deployed in one theater–how many folks did it take for them to bring about 9/11?

And all the defeatist rhetoric coming from the current lib ‘leadership’ didn’t exacerbate that situation one bit, did it? Bull. They know the dems are helping them by tearing down the will of the American People. It’s exactly what they want, and it’s a mistake of epic and historic proportions.

And it would seem to me that an aq magnet in Iraq is a good thing. Concentrate the enemy and destroy them, which is exactly what we’re doing.

The news directly from Centcom is much different than what we’re getting from the msm. Sure there’s bad happening and the violence is currently escalating. The bad guys know quivering harry reid and the rest of the weak-kneed libs respond in their favor the more innocents killed.

My point is that the libs are playing right into the hands of our enemies, and the only solution they’re offering is the abject defeat of the US, which is in no way in America’s best interests.

But you don’t see it that way, for some reason. You have a very peculiar brand of ‘patriotism’, in my opinion.

Hey toots,

The problem I’ve got with those Gallup polls is that, unlike the ones I posted, there’s no breakdown of where those opinions are actually coming from. That, and the way the questions are posed.

Easy to lead people to skew the results you desire. True of all polls, I’ll grant.

Happy now? Probably not.

techno_barbarian on May 4, 2007 at 3:13 PM

Actually your polls break down by R/D/I in only 2 instances. And the questions are different–mostly talk about defunding, not the idea of a withdrawal date. But you’re right, the manner of questions can drive the data. And I’m always happy baby.