Results: Fred! wins April’s 2008 straw poll

posted at 3:43 pm on May 3, 2007 by Ian

Several days ago, I posted a 2008 straw poll consisting of popular and potential (in this case, both) GOP candidates. Well, the results are in and Fred! didn’t just win, he blew the competition out of the water solar system:

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Interestingly, 72% who responded are very committed to their candidate:

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Oh Yeah! Run Fred! Run!

Iblis on May 3, 2007 at 3:46 PM

I want the names of the 4 who put down Pataki. I want them NOW!

Limerick on May 3, 2007 at 3:49 PM

It’s amazing how many people are convinced by pure rhetoric.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 3:50 PM

I like Fred as much as the next rightwinger, but damn, he always looks like he needs a nap. If he’s gonna be the Prez, he’s gonna be workin’ long days and into the wee hours of the morning. Perhaps he’ll just do four years, I hope he picks a great (but younger) V.P.

Tony737 on May 3, 2007 at 3:50 PM

Um…put Jane in the “NONE” column.

I am feeling cynical.

SOMEbody tell me why I shouldn’t be.

seejanemom on May 3, 2007 at 3:53 PM

I’m with you Jane, none of these guys are the perfect candidate, but we haven’t had “perfect” in 2,000 years and He wasn’t running for office.

If only Fred had once been a state Gov … Thompson and Thompson? (Sounds like a law firm).

Tony737 on May 3, 2007 at 3:56 PM

Limerick on May 3, 2007 at 3:49 PM

Heh, in the blogosphere he got 20 as first choice, but he had the highest unacceptable rating.

Pataki Acceptable: 880 Unacceptable: 8582 (!!!) NET: -7702 (%) NET: -63.3% (7.2%) (70.5%)

LOL

Kai on May 3, 2007 at 3:58 PM

I’m excited abour Fred as well, but we don’t know that much about him yet…he may not be the conservative savior we all so deperately desire.

Romney looks and sounds Reagenesque. And, he was acceptable to a left-leaning Leno audience…the attacks on his mormonism are not coming from the right, they are coming from the left who are afraid he can win.

We all need to keep our eyes and minds open.

(And hope the dem’s put up Clinton/Obama…against that ticket Mickey Mouse could win…)

JustTruth101 on May 3, 2007 at 3:58 PM

I too would rather have Fred as Prez than Rudy, but Rudy can wallop The Pantsuit while I doubt Fred can.

sometimes politics is making the best of your Second Choice, so as to avoid Something Much, Much Worse…..

Janos Hunyadi on May 3, 2007 at 4:00 PM

okay folks, stop by the office supply place and get some labels and start printing up sheets of labels that simply say Fred! and start sticking them places people can see them.

crosspatch on May 3, 2007 at 4:08 PM

“I too would rather have Fred as Prez than Rudy, but Rudy can wallop”

Yeah, what it is going to come down to for me is how Fred’s poll numbers are looking against Democrats.

Right now Rudy is the best when placed against any of the Dems. Currently Fred loses to Hillary by 10 points.

crosspatch on May 3, 2007 at 4:09 PM

Fred! looks like he enjoys a nice glass of single malt and a Robusto from time to time.

Not only that, but I hear the chicks dig Fred!

Matticus Finch on May 3, 2007 at 4:12 PM

I sense frustration in the air here. Fred! has turned into fred!………..Waiting until his ‘contracts’ expire might be a very bad thing.

Limerick on May 3, 2007 at 4:13 PM

Yeah, what it is going to come down to for me is how Fred’s poll numbers are looking against Democrats.

Democrats were begging the GOP to nominate Reagan too. They thought their polls looked good against him. Didn’t work out so well for them.

Fred on May 3, 2007 at 4:14 PM

April 2008??

Dang.

Fred is in Chuck Norris territory now.

locomotivebreath1901 on May 3, 2007 at 4:16 PM

locomotivebreath1901-

Thompson/Norris 08?

Matticus Finch on May 3, 2007 at 4:18 PM

I could possibly get behind a Rudy/Fred! ticket.
They could do well against the potential Clinton/Obama pairing.

bbz123 on May 3, 2007 at 4:21 PM

I like both Fred Thompson and Rudolph Giuliani.

But doesn’t McCain lead in the polls in key primary states? Will McCain actually get the nomination?

januarius on May 3, 2007 at 4:26 PM

I too would rather have Fred as Prez than Rudy, but Rudy can wallop The Pantsuit while I doubt Fred can.

sometimes politics is making the best of your Second Choice, so as to avoid Something Much, Much Worse…..

Janos Hunyadi on May 3, 2007 at 4:00 PM

I’m with Janos.

januarius on May 3, 2007 at 4:29 PM

He has some steam…he better run. Go Fred Go.

msipes on May 3, 2007 at 4:33 PM

For those interested, the debate will be webcast tonight on The Politico.

forged rite on May 3, 2007 at 4:34 PM

Manicus…

THIS chick does not dig The Fred!, for the record.

Unknown FRED! on the Republican Ticket = Unknown Manchurian Messiah on the Dem Ticket.

What is THAT to be proud of?

seejanemom on May 3, 2007 at 4:34 PM

Remember when Bush Jr. was the new Reagan back in 2000?

Let’s not prematurely annoint someone.

I voted for him because I like what he has said so far.

Valiant on May 3, 2007 at 4:34 PM

Hey, I missed the vote. Chalk one more up for Fred.

Griz on May 3, 2007 at 4:36 PM

And Fred isn’t even a candidate.

No money. No groundwork. No platform.

No problem!

spmat on May 3, 2007 at 4:37 PM

this iis a document of monumental unseriousness on the part of at least the people voting.

jummy on May 3, 2007 at 4:37 PM

THIS chick does not dig The Fred!, for the record.

Only because he doesn’t want you to.

Matticus Finch on May 3, 2007 at 4:38 PM

McCain 1.5%

Heh.

Earth to John: Time to stop straddling ‘that goddamned fence’

infidel4life on May 3, 2007 at 4:39 PM

According to Rasmussen Thompson beats Hillary but loses to Edwards or Obama.

Rudy beats everyone but Edwards.

crosspatch on May 3, 2007 at 4:39 PM

Um…put Jane in the “NONE” column. I am feeling cynical. SOMEbody tell me why I shouldn’t be.
seejanemom on May 3, 2007 at 3:53 PM

You are welcome to the cynicism, but if you actually vote “none” – as so many are threatening to do – then you guarantee that when the bombs go off in the next Administration, Prez Obama will respond with “But I wanted to talk about healthcare,” or Prez Hillary will respond with “How am I going to look coming out of this and who can I blame…”

eeyore on May 3, 2007 at 4:42 PM

Even more amazing, if you filter on just Fred, 68.5% are very committed to him.

Tanya on May 3, 2007 at 4:42 PM

It’s amazing how many people are convinced by pure rhetoric.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 3:50 PM

Correction. Rhetoric AND a voting record.

Whassamatta? ur boy gettin’ his butt wooped?

The Ritz on May 3, 2007 at 4:46 PM

Anybody else notice how often csdeven and jummy end up on the same page? Cynics both.

The Ritz on May 3, 2007 at 4:53 PM

According to Rasmussen Thompson beats Hillary but loses to Edwards or Obama.

Rudy beats everyone but Edwards.

crosspatch on May 3, 2007 at 4:39 PM

I’d like to see that addressed as well. It’s great if you can win the primary, but if you lose the general, it doesn’t matter who you nominate.

amerpundit on May 3, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Correction. Rhetoric AND a voting record.

Whassamatta? ur boy gettin’ his butt wooped?

The Ritz on May 3, 2007 at 4:46 PM

It was a straw poll conducted over 19 months out, by Conservative bloggers. It isn’t exactly Gallup. While I agree that Thompson has a good voting record, more than just Conservative bloggers vote.

amerpundit on May 3, 2007 at 5:00 PM

Seriously, if you want to see how he voted on the issues, then go here

There are a couple of things that I scratched my head on (regarding gun control), but I’m with him on about 97.3% of his votes.

Matticus Finch on May 3, 2007 at 5:01 PM

AARRGGHH. Let’s try this:

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Fred_Thompson.htm

Matticus Finch on May 3, 2007 at 5:01 PM

Matticus Finch on May 3, 2007 at 5:01 PM

I hate when that happens.

amerpundit on May 3, 2007 at 5:04 PM

It isn’t exactly Gallup.
amerpundit on May 3, 2007 at 5:00 PM

Obviously.

Interesting to note – intramural though it is – Fred!’s numbers keep going up while the others languish. At the very least it underscores the profound lack of excitement for anyone else.

The Ritz on May 3, 2007 at 5:07 PM

“I’d like to see that addressed as well. It’s great if you can win the primary, but if you lose the general, it doesn’t matter who you nominate.”

Exactly. A candidate might appeal to the base but the base doesn’t win the general election, it’s the independents and crossovers who win you the election. The candidate must be one that at least gives the impression that they respect people’s right to hold differing views on things. That’s why Reagan did so well. He wasn’t shy about making his own views known, but he never was disrespectful of people holding a different view either. He felt that not so much should be dictated from Washington, states should be free to express their culture in their laws and people should be free to “vote with their feet” if they didn’t agree.

I, for example, feel that what is right for Seattle probably isn’t what is right for Tulsa and both should be free to make laws that express their cultural values and people should be free to find a place to live that expresses their cultural values. If we dictate everything out of Washington in some monolithic set of cultural values, it is divisive and people are going to get upset and we are going to have huge political pissing contests over issues that really should be settled at a lower level of government and aren’t going to have time to address the real issues that the federal government should be handling.

crosspatch on May 3, 2007 at 5:07 PM

The Ritz on May 3, 2007 at 5:07 PM

Please see:

crosspatch on May 3, 2007 at 5:07 PM

amerpundit on May 3, 2007 at 5:11 PM

Fredricide!

liquidflorian on May 3, 2007 at 5:13 PM

Fred’s blog entry today is awesome, by the way, and really deserves to be read.

http://abcradio.com/blog.asp?id=15663

Matticus Finch on May 3, 2007 at 5:15 PM

Correction. Rhetoric AND a voting record.

Whassamatta? ur boy gettin’ his butt wooped?

The Ritz on May 3, 2007 at 4:46 PM

1) The guy isn’t even a candidate.
2) A voting record compared to who? OBAMA?
3) I have a few I’m looking at and until fred actually gets up the balls to throw his hat in the ring, he is completely unviable and isn’t worth voting for in a straw poll.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 5:18 PM

Please see: crosspatch on May 3, 2007 at 5:07 PM

amerpundit on May 3, 2007 at 5:11 PM

???

Hope I’m missing part of the conversation ’cause if the implication is Fred! doesn’t have enough appeal beyond the hard-core base, or somehow doesn’t come of as open-minded enough I think someone has missed a few of Fred!’s public appearances. No?

The Ritz on May 3, 2007 at 5:18 PM

I will vote for the candidate who suplexes Harry Reid on the Senate floor.

unamused on May 3, 2007 at 5:20 PM

You are welcome to the cynicism, but if you actually vote “none” – as so many are threatening to do – then you guarantee that when the bombs go off in the next Administration, Prez Obama will respond with “But I wanted to talk about healthcare,” or Prez Hillary will respond with “How am I going to look coming out of this and who can I blame…”

eeyore on May 3, 2007 at 4:42 PM

Sadly, you are 110% Correct.

That is why I work my TAIL OFF in the Primary season to get MY MANE on the ticket.

I would advise you>>>strenuously advise you>>>to do the same.

My cynicism is at the SLIM pickings in the field so far. Jane barely has ANYTHING to pick from.

And the anointed Republican Establishment KNOWS I won’t NOT vote.

So then by the time they coronate Rudy, it will all be over but what brand of cigarette and how tight the blindfold.

seejanemom on May 3, 2007 at 5:25 PM

Uh…that would be, um my “MAN”…..and its NOT MITT, OBTW.

seejanemom on May 3, 2007 at 5:26 PM

“Hope I’m missing part of the conversation ’cause if the implication is Fred! doesn’t have enough appeal beyond the hard-core base, or somehow doesn’t come of as open-minded enough”

No, it wasn’t aimed specifically at Fred! so much as it was a generalization. In general, a candidate who has the most appeal to the party isn’t always the most electable. You have to have a certain amount of appeal from the independent and crossover Democrats or else you are going to lose. Republicans only account for roughly 30% of the electorate. You need 50% to win. Basically whoever wins needs to take 2/3 of the Independent vote, more if they aren’t popular with the base. Whoever gets the Independent vote wins the general election.

So when primary time comes around if Rudy is consistently 10 points ahead of Fred! against all the Democratic candidates, I am likely going to vote Rudy in the primary because while I might like Fred more, I also would like a Republican in office more than seeing my favorite candidate lose to a Democrat.

I dont care who is ahead between Republican candidates, I care about who is polling better against Democrats.

crosspatch on May 3, 2007 at 5:27 PM

I like Fred as much as the next rightwinger, but damn, he always looks like he needs a nap. If he’s gonna be the Prez, he’s gonna be workin’ long days and into the wee hours of the morning. Perhaps he’ll just do four years, I hope he picks a great (but younger) V.P.

Tony737 on May 3, 2007 at 3:50 PM

I’ll volunteer to be the Cheney style call it like it is political hit man, heck I’m a better shot than he is…I’d actually kill the lawyer.

Tim Burton on May 3, 2007 at 5:29 PM

crosspatch on May 3, 2007 at 5:27 PM

I suspect when (if) Fred gets in he’ll begin polling much stronger against Dem challengers. He can’t be tagged as “religous-right” and he has that unique ability to express conservative principles in a common-sense way. That almost always appeals to the “independents”

The Ritz on May 3, 2007 at 5:31 PM

Anybody else notice how often csdeven and jummy end up on the same page? Cynics both.

The Ritz on May 3, 2007 at 4:53 PM

It’s called being CONSERVATIVE. Only liberals get all dreamy eyed over rhetoric that tickles their ears yet has no substance.

It’s the 85% that are totally positive that Fred is 100% their guy that should be bothering conservatives. Until the guy committs, he’s nothing to get lathered up over. All these kind of polls do is bleed off support for the candidates that have actually announced their intent.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 5:35 PM

All you wankers for Fred ask yourself this question. What’s the difference between Fred and any other person who IS NOT running for president?

Answer: Nothing.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 5:37 PM

All these kind of polls do is bleed off support for the candidates that have actually announced their intent.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 5:35 PM

Heh. Methinks your boy’s gettin’ bled.

Thanks for being reliable.

The Ritz on May 3, 2007 at 5:41 PM

…the anointed Republican Establishment KNOWS I won’t NOT vote…
seejanemom on May 3, 2007 at 5:25 PM

That may not be so. I can’t link it, but I remember reading that in the 2006 election, in some of the closest races, the drop in (R) turnout over 2004 was greater than the margin of loss. If I can confirm that, letting the RNC know will certainly make my to-do list.

eeyore on May 3, 2007 at 5:46 PM

“I suspect when (if) Fred gets in he’ll begin polling much stronger against Dem challengers.”

I suspect you are correct and I hope you are because I would like to see Fred as president.

crosspatch on May 3, 2007 at 5:53 PM

I would like to see Fred as president.

crosspatch on May 3, 2007 at 5:53 PM

Welcome to the hard-core base!

Now about that csdeven . . .

The Ritz on May 3, 2007 at 6:06 PM

That may not be so. I can’t link it, but I remember reading that in the 2006 election, in some of the closest races, the drop in (R) turnout over 2004 was greater than the margin of loss. If I can confirm that, letting the RNC know will certainly make my to-do list.

eeyore on May 3, 2007 at 5:46 PM

As the dude in Crokodile-Dundee would say “Niiice”. I’d say “oy, and what that has brung them”. Those who didn’t vote deserve what they have now in D.C.

Entelechy on May 3, 2007 at 6:28 PM

The Ritz on May 3, 2007 at 5:41 PM

Your attitude is that of a democrat. You would rather support an unviable NON-candidate over candidates that actually showed the balls to make a decision and have a chance at getting elected. That is not conservative think, that’s a liberal tactic designed to weaken the conservative party.

Question is…do you want to be judged as reliably in the liberal camp?

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 6:45 PM

All you wankers for Fred ask yourself this question. What’s the difference between Fred and any other person who IS NOT running for president?

Answer: Nothing.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 5:37 PM

That’s not entirely true. Fred has slept with Lorrie Morgan. Most of the other people that are not running for President haven’t slept with Lorrie Morgan.

Heh. Methinks your boy’s gettin’ bled.

Thanks for being reliable.

The Ritz on May 3, 2007 at 5:41 PM

Seriously – what’s with the schoolyard taunts?

Considering Fred’s got 65+% of the vote, everyone that’s not voting for Fred is getting bled. That means that a huge chunk of the conservatives who read blogs & stay current on politics are strongly devoted to a guy that is not currently a candidate. I don’t think there is anything at all wrong with pointing out that little fact as a bit disturbing.

JadeNYU on May 3, 2007 at 6:47 PM

I like Fred! I think he stands a great shot, if he wants it.

conservativecaveman on May 3, 2007 at 7:02 PM

That’s not entirely true. Fred has slept with Lorrie Morgan. Most of the other people that are not running for President haven’t slept with Lorrie Morgan.
JadeNYU on May 3, 2007 at 6:47 PM

hahaha
I stand corrected.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 7:03 PM

, for example, feel that what is right for Seattle probably isn’t what is right for Tulsa and both should be free to make laws that express their cultural values and people should be free to find a place to live that expresses their cultural values. If we dictate everything out of Washington in some monolithic set of cultural values, it is divisive and people are going to get upset and we are going to have huge political pissing contests over issues that really should be settled at a lower level of government and aren’t going to have time to address the real issues that the federal government should be handling.

crosspatch on May 3, 2007 at 5:07 PM

Sounds like you’re talking Federalism – Fred gets it.

Fred! on Federalism

IrishEyes on May 3, 2007 at 9:01 PM

All you wankers for Fred ask yourself this question. What’s the difference between Fred and any other person who IS NOT running for president?

Answer: Nothing.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 5:37 PM

Wrong.

I don’t see any rallies or the like being held for anyone ELSE that is not running for president (yet).

The fire is just getting lit here in Fred’s home state … ya know, the one the yawned in al-Gore’s face.

LissaKay on May 3, 2007 at 9:33 PM

Okay…it’s official. I’m sick and damn tired of hearing people say that Fred enthusiasts are voting based on our emotions….CSDEVEN.

I’ll have you know, CS, I’ve been following Fred for YEARS, and have always found him to be forthright, conservative and JUST the kind of guy I’d be proud to support. It wasn’t me getting excited when people started talking about this guy, Fred… It WAS me getting excited to hear that, at a time when I was SOOOOO unhappy about the current batch of candidates, a person I respected is deciding to join the race.

So, can the crap about us being emotional and swayed emotionally like liberals. You don’t know your butt from a hole in the ground on this topic.

Now, I’ll sit and wait for that apology – since only Libs spout bullshit at others without showing respect when they are wrong. (Yeah, holding my breath of course.)
Ugh. Rant over.

tickleddragon on May 3, 2007 at 10:01 PM

Clarification: You don’t know your butt from a hole in the ground on this topic… This topic being my reasoning for supporting Fred!.

tickleddragon on May 3, 2007 at 10:03 PM

I hope fred never throws his hat into the ring, but that we elect him anyway! Fred!

Kevin M on May 3, 2007 at 10:25 PM

So, can the crap about us being emotional and swayed emotionally like liberals.
tickleddragon on May 3, 2007 at 10:01 PM

I am sorry that you have gotten so emotional over this. All I am saying is….

THE GUY ISN’T EVEN A CANDIDATE and he’s being annointed the next POTUS.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 10:45 PM

THE GUY ISN’T EVEN A CANDIDATE and he’s being annointed the next POTUS.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 10:45 PM

So … your point is … ??

LissaKay on May 3, 2007 at 11:00 PM

Thanks for the snarky, “I’m sorry that you took my slap as a slap.” Very sincere.

I’ve annointed no one, Sparky.

I’m just happy to have a candidate to be enthusiastic about.

My emotional response was not to Fred!. It was to you making sweeping generalizations that Fred supporters were making decisions based only on emotions. Yes, yes, call me “emotional” but it kinda chaps my a$$ when folks lie about me, especially when they don’t know me.

tickleddragon on May 3, 2007 at 11:04 PM

Seejanemom, unknown Fred!? Fred Dalton Thompson: google it. Seriously, he was a political figure waaaay before he was an actor. As a matter of fact, his first role was playing himself. He’s got the communication skills and the conservative street cred that the declared candidates don’t have.

Barntender on May 3, 2007 at 11:26 PM

csdeven,

Ever hear of a dark horse candidate? Just ’cause Fred! hasn’t filed his paperwork with the FEC yet doesn’t mean he ain’t thinking about running. It’s not like he’s doing the media junket to get more frequent flier miles.

Patience is a virtue, plus it lets the weaker candidates die off.

common sensineer on May 3, 2007 at 11:34 PM

THE GUY ISN’T EVEN A CANDIDATE and he’s being annointed the next POTUS.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 10:45 PM

You’re railing against something that is a formality. Like I said the other night, do you REALLY believe Fred!’s not gonna run?

Of course he’s running. He’s blogging all over the place, speaking great sense whenever he’s in the public spotlight. There’s no way he’s not running.

It’s smart that he’s holding off, I believe. It’s a long way out yet from the primaries.

Your whining about us supporting him without him being an ‘official’ candidate doesn’t make any sense to me. We’re not trying to keep you from supporting whomever you’d like. Please do us the return courtesy.

Thanks.

techno_barbarian on May 3, 2007 at 11:42 PM

All you wankers for Fred ask yourself this question. What’s the difference between Fred and any other person who IS NOT running for president?

Answer: Nothing.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 5:37 PM

Heh, this is easy – my name wasn’t on the 2008 straw-poll we’re discussing here :)

Entelechy on May 3, 2007 at 11:42 PM

THE GUY ISN’T EVEN A CANDIDATE and he’s being annointed the next POTUS.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 10:45 PM

csdeven, we actually got your take on this many days ago. If you’re not going to stop this, like amerpundit did (and whom I still respect a lot – acknowledged that it is what it is and moved on), you’re going to come across like honora and her violin – no matter what the topic “this admin. sucks. Except for you, no matter what thread on Fred “he’s not running yet”. We all know that already. Regards,

Entelechy on May 3, 2007 at 11:47 PM

Hey Entelechy, I didn’t know amerpundit stopped? On the debate thread, a little while ago, he had to remind everyone that Fred! wasn’t in the debate.

Frankly, I’m starting to wonder what I’d do if I didn’t have these folks to tell me I’m stupid for being supportive of a potential candidate.

tickleddragon on May 3, 2007 at 11:52 PM

Will they finally stop calling me stupid when he announces already…and kindly F-off?

tickleddragon on May 3, 2007 at 11:53 PM

It’s smart that he’s holding off, I believe. It’s a long way out yet from the primaries.
techno_barbarian on May 3, 2007 at 11:42 PM

TB nails it. We have a loooong way to go folks. I have to think that Fred! is being really savvy about this whole thing, and just waiting in the wings until the time is right. For those who have not seriously checked Fred! out, go look at his voting record, study his positions, then make up your mind. I’ve been watching him for a long time now, and have yet to see anything that has made my opinion of him drop. Keep an open mind, but keep an eye on Fred!

lan astaslem on May 4, 2007 at 12:33 AM

hahaha

We all know that already. Regards,

Entelechy on May 3, 2007 at 11:47 PM

Yet, the fact that the fredamainia supporters have made it clear for weeks how they feel about him doesn’t stop them from beating that drum every day.

You say you’re sick of me pointing out the fred fever around here, well, I was sick of the fred fever long before that.

Now, what makes your pet cause more valid than mine?

csdeven on May 4, 2007 at 1:29 AM

Will they finally stop calling me stupid when he announces already…and kindly F-off?

tickleddragon on May 3, 2007 at 11:53 PM

1) It was never my intent to call anyone stupid. This is mostly done tounge in cheek. If I did call you stupid, I apologize.
2) As I have said, IF! fred grows some balls and decides to run, then it makes sense to compare him against real candidates. Until then, he is a waste in a poll and as a viable candidate.

csdeven on May 4, 2007 at 1:33 AM

It’s amazing how many people are convinced by pure rhetoric.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 3:50 PM

Ain’t that the truth.

Why it’s almost like the “pure rhetoric” that goes on from ALL the advertising we see ALL the time in ALL forms of media.

Simply amazing! There’s a whole lot of convincing rhetoric going on.

G. Mason on May 4, 2007 at 8:11 AM

Well, I see csdeven doesn’t have anything better to do than to sit up all night randomly (and illogically) calling people “liberals” and wankers – Lawd ha’mussy, yup, he dun sed WANKUHS Bessy. [just a little southern-fried-Hillary-lingo for ya].

Nevertheless judging by the high volume of wankers who pointed out the error of csdeven’s way he’s raging against the wind.

Fred!

The Ritz on May 4, 2007 at 9:08 AM

OK, OK truce csdeven. Just having a little fun at your expense you know.

Sorta’ like pokin’ a possum with a stick to watch him hiss. [a little homespun Fred!-like metaphor]

The Ritz on May 4, 2007 at 9:11 AM

CS, you DO realize that WE didn’t put Fred! in those polls, right?

Your cause is no more or less important than anyone else’s, but where we are enthusiastic and POSITIVE in our comments regarding Fred!, you are cynical and negative about our enthusiasm. That’s the difference.

I’m sorry if you’re annoyed, as I’ve said before. But you’re going to have to get over it and stop trying to repeatedly throw water on the Fred! Folks. We’ve gotten your point over and over and over.
Dead Horse

You say that it was mostly tongue in cheek…well, you’re not good at tongue-in-cheek then. And usually one doesn’t drive home a t-i-c joke more than once.

I am more than happy to accept an apology and bury the hatchet, so to speak, if and only if I believe that you’re done being condescending, insulting and snarky.

tickleddragon on May 4, 2007 at 10:24 AM

Well, I went and screwed the pooch on that last bit. The strike was only supposed to be on the dead horse bit.

Oh well.

CS, I’m now over it if you are.

tickleddragon on May 4, 2007 at 10:26 AM

Your attitude is that of a democrat. You would rather support an unviable NON-candidate over candidates that actually showed the balls to make a decision and have a chance at getting elected.

I support Fred Thompson and I sincerely hope he runs. I don’t believe my attitude is that of a democrat. I support Thompson because, if he was a candidate, he would be viable. The rest of those a**clowns who ‘had the b**ls to run’ aren’t viable and are a bloody nuiscance. Ask yourself why Thompson is so popular. Because the rest of the mimbos suck. Nobody wants to vote for them. And this is hardcore base people, we’re talking here. None of these clowns are going to make it with the rest of the American people if they can’t excite the base. If Fred doesn’t run, the only one that has a snowballs chance in a blast furnace, is Rudy. And given his rather lackluster performance at the debate, his stock is falling. Taunt if you like, but if the GOP lines up another suckfest of candidates, they’re going to lose bigger than they did in 2006. We’re NOT like democrats. We’re not going to vote ‘turd sandwich’ just because he has an R next to his name.

austinnelly on May 4, 2007 at 10:54 AM

I’ve been following Fred for YEARS, and have always found him to be forthright, conservative and JUST the kind of guy I’d be proud to support. It wasn’t me getting excited when people started talking about this guy, Fred… It WAS me getting excited to hear that, at a time when I was SOOOOO unhappy about the current batch of candidates, a person I respected is deciding to join the race.

Ah, better said than I could. Amen.

austinnelly on May 4, 2007 at 10:56 AM

It’s amazing how many people are convinced by pure rhetoric.

csdeven on May 3, 2007 at 3:50 PM

Shall we begin with a grammar lesson?

RHET’ORIC, n. [Gr. from to speak, to flow. Eng. to read. The primary sense is to drive or send. See Read.]

1. The art of speaking with propriety, elegance and force.

2. The power of persuasion or attraction; that which allures or charms. We speak of the rhetoric of the tongue, and the rhetoric of the heart or eyes.

Yes, let’s bash people for being persuaded by persuasion. Hmm.

Now let’s move on to a bit of substance. Unlike some people keep claiming, Fred is LESS of an unknown in the political world than virtually all of the (other) candidates. It is precisely his consistent record of integrity, allegiance to constitutional government, and unflagging conservatism that has so many people excited about the possibility of his candidacy.

Of course, if blogs are the ONLY place you learn about things, you could claim that you don’t know enough yet about Fred. But that would be your own fault, it’s SO VERY EASY to learn of a former senator’s voting record, or the history of his involvement in major political events, or his extensive time spent lobbying for regulation reforms, etc., not to mention his bold willingness to tell you his CLEAR OPINION about major issues affecting the nation, without sticking his finger in the wind, or conulting with a dozen mouthpieces first. (resisting temptation to say “Reaganesque here)

The fact is, the groundswell of people showing a preference for him is a desire to help make sure that he DOES decide to run. If nobody indicated support for him because he hadn’t formally announced yet, then he wouldn’t. So until he makes a decision, I’m not going to stop indicating my preference that he runs. For you to whine and cry that I should stop doing so? Thank you for your input, but please shove off.

Freelancer on May 4, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Thanks to my Fred! Folks… I knew I wasn’t alone.

tickleddragon on May 4, 2007 at 12:07 PM

As a related point of interest, when looking at the final gopstrawpoll results in terms of those who selected each candidate as their first choice, Fred!s broad appeal shone through remarkably.

Overall, nearly 90% of respondents chose Fred! as acceptable. The next most broadly popular candidate is Romney at just over 72%, then Newt at 63%.

The backers of EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE saw Fred! as acceptable, mostly in the 65-80% range. Pataki backers who took a position on Fred (17) only gave him 58.8% acceptable, and McCain backers (405) saw Fred 60.7% acceptable. Those were the lows. Romney, Newt, and Giuliani supporters all rated Fred strongly acceptable (76.8%, 93.1%, 87.9% respectively)

No other name listed on the straw poll garnered net positive acceptable results from backers of every other name.

To me, this indicates much more than a fervency on the part of those who wish to see Fred run. Almost everyone who responded to this straw poll considered him acceptable, meaning that regardless of who they preferred, he is someone they would vote for in a general election if he was the nominee. Try and spin that.

Freelancer on May 4, 2007 at 12:22 PM

Freelancer on May 4, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Rhetoric: Language that is elaborate, pretentious, insincere, or intellectually vacuous: His offers of compromise were mere rhetoric.

It’s ALWAYS dangerous to try to correct others writings etc. But, I wont hold that against you.

Support for a candidate is one thing, but this fred orgy is simply comical to me. It’s like watching the beatles get mobbed by hysterical teenagers. Considering fred is more an actor than a politician, that simularity is quite ironic and hard to miss. There are a lot of folks getting their panties in a real twist over this and I find that even more comical.

Now, to examine your quote here:

Almost everyone who responded to this straw poll considered him acceptable, meaning that regardless of who they preferred, he is someone they would vote for in a general election if he was the nominee. Try and spin that.

I’d have no problem with that if the poll was worded that way. It was not. This is how it was worded.

2008 GOP Straw Poll: April 2007:

Which candidates would you accept as the 2008 GOP nominee and which would you find unacceptable, and who is your first choice?

Unless we are supposed to ignore what words mean, this poll was worthless. If they wanted to know who we wanted to become a candidate then they should ask it that way. They did not, so adding fred gave it a false result.

Right now, all we know is that regardless of who is an actual candidate, fred has the highest appeal. But we didn’t need a poll to tell us that.

Perhaps the best way to illustrate my point is to ask you to answer this question….

Which actual candidate can we reliable point to as the favorite amongst those people who took the poll?

csdeven on May 4, 2007 at 4:04 PM