Akon story gaining steam Update: audio added Update: Vent knocked offline at YouTube

posted at 11:31 am on May 3, 2007 by Bryan

Michelle was on the Laura Ingraham show earlier today to discuss rapper Akon’s assault on a 15-year-old girl during a concert in Trinidad. We’re hoping to get audio from the show to post, and it’ll be here if/when we get it.

Meanwhile, if you missed yesterday’s Vent about Akon and his various corporate sponsors, here it is. Click to play.

Here’s the YouTube version.

Michelle has a new post up about Akon, his “music” and his corporate enablers. Al Sharpton is holding a march for decency in hip hop today. He plans to banish the n-word, sexism and other vulgarities from hip hop. How about criticizing assault, Reverend?

Update: Here’s audio from the Laura Ingraham show today, including Michelle and Laura’s discussion of Verizon’s mainstreaming Akon.

Update: Yesterday’s Vent, which is the video above, dealt with Akon’s assault and exposed the corporate giants who are mainstreaming his pornographic rap. We put that episode on YouTube to make sure the story reached as many people as possible, but Akon’s corporate backers decided to claim a copyright infringement and force YouTube to yank the show. Michelle has details on that and what we plan to do about it here.

You may still watch the show above, and you may download an mpg4 version here. That’s the iPod version, but it will play on any computer that has iTunes installed.

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Some of the responses on this thread remind me of the people who say “Well look at the way she was dressed..she was asking for it” about a rape victim.

EnochCain on May 3, 2007 at 8:28 PM

The problem remains not that Akon exists, but that a demand for him exists. Black culture, white culture, hispanic culture, culture in general, has been taking a perpindicular nosedive for years and now, NOW, everyone is up in arms when some grotesque, detestable thug does something utterly despicable. I can’t even trust network TV around my 10 year old anymore for fear of semen amounts being bandied about in a Flomaxx commercial or a Degenerate Housewives promo featuring Eva Longoria elevator erotica. The yelling and the screaming should have started decades ago folks. The proverbial cat is out of the bag.

Akon is scum. So is 90% of the rappers out there. As are the music industry pimps that profit off them. But this didn’t happen overnight. Sheep get fed what sheep accept.

nico on May 3, 2007 at 8:33 PM

My Man Gildersleave from Rolling Thunder Blog has reposted the Vent on You Tube.

Get it here

We’ll see how long it stays up there this time.

catmman on May 3, 2007 at 8:49 PM

I emailed cory doctorow from boingboing.net, who is a fellow with the EFF and asked him to stand up for michelle and Hot Air.

I think the phone calling and emailing will work.

All the talk in this post about whether ‘she was asking for it’ and fair use is a little besides the point… this is pretty disgusting behavior. I can only imagine what I would feel like if someone did that to my daughter. I’d be outraged. Livid… and I’d be proud that HotAir stuck up for me.

So… Vent On!

PastaKeith on May 3, 2007 at 9:14 PM

By the way – watch it.
Link it.
Favorite it.
Email it.

That’ll teach them.

PastaKeith on May 3, 2007 at 9:17 PM

Vent knocked offline at YouTube?
What do You expect, FREE Speech only applies to the Defeatocrats.

abinitioadinfinitum on May 3, 2007 at 9:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKwTw1ZTr2s

Let’s diggnify this Vent!

Got a Ewetube account? Get a copy and uploaded it.

opusrex on May 3, 2007 at 9:45 PM

I’m sick of all the b.s. that we’re supposed to swallow out of “cultural diversity” to the black community. The “offenders” in other communities wouldn’t know about the “offensive” words they’re not supposed to say unless they were made up by that “culturally diverse” community in the first place. This is going to have to get worse before it gets better, I fear. Political correctness will kill us all.

MsUnderestimated on May 3, 2007 at 10:00 PM

MsUnderestimated on May 3, 2007 at 10:00 PM

P.C. is definitely killing black people.

EnochCain on May 3, 2007 at 10:04 PM

Akon is scum. So is 90% of the rappers out there. As are the music industry pimps that profit off them. But this didn’t happen overnight. Sheep get fed what sheep accept.

nico on May 3, 2007 at 8:33 PM

True enough, but there’s more to it than just that. Normally, this sort of thing would have been culty, staying a low-life circuit, but the media conglomerates have insinuated it into mainstream by altering the music, whitewashing it. Akon Thiam sings, “I want to F-you, f-you…” but the radio version is “I want to love you, love you….” That doesn’t sound too bad, does it? How are parents supposed to know that the song they heard their kids listening to is not the version the kids will hear at the concert or on the CD? Akon’s record label knows very well what he does on stage, but they hide it.
The African American community is not represented by these thugs. Never, ever hear the media present conservative Black voices. They are there. There are many. Our kids have a Black teacher who is a former cop. He counsels the students under his tutelage every single day about how bad rap is and warns them constantly against degenerate lifestyles. That’s nearly 300 kids, Black and White, a year who have heard him talk about living right and being disciplined. His daughter wouldn’t have snuck into such a place, but he’s the type of guy who would go up on the stage and take out someone like Akon, on behalf of every father out there.

naliaka on May 3, 2007 at 10:19 PM

The fact is you got beat down by the DMCA without ever going to court.

Resolute on May 3, 2007 at 8:13 PM

The facts and you, sir, have obviously never met. We didn’t get “beat down” by anyone. YouTube yanked the clip. We have NO CONTROL over that. None.

But we have our own server, where we’re still serving the video. And UMG hasn’t said boo to us.

So kindly take your stupidity elsewhere, or bone up on a fact or three before you pollute the threads here again. The only thing that’s Resolute about you is your stubborn ignorance.

Bryan on May 3, 2007 at 10:19 PM

Bryan on May 3, 2007 at 10:19 PM

Megadittos

The Machine on May 3, 2007 at 10:54 PM

We didn’t get “beat down” by anyone
Bryan on May 3, 2007 at 10:19 PM

« Akon’s record company abuses DMCA
to stifle criticism on YouTube
-Michelle Malkin

Excuse me, you guys are the ones complaining about it. The DMCA is being abused! The clip was taken down to stifle criticism!

If ultimately Youtube determines the take down request was frivilous and you are in the right, this has nothing to do with this inconsistency. You can’t be in favor honoring takedown requests one day and against it the next just because it is different content on a different site. It is absurd! In fairness I realize Michelle is perhaps more upset with UMG then Youtube but I dont think this negats the hypocrisy.

Resolute on May 3, 2007 at 10:54 PM

Hm. I thought Resolute brought up some interesting points regarding long-term use concerns of fair use. And Byran good point by stating the fact that the video is still hosted by you.

Frankly, not sure where ‘stupidity’ and ‘stubborn ignorance’ play into this discussion, and I’m surprised, honestly, at the emotional response. If the purpose of creating a video and posting it on Youtube is to be seen by as many people as possible, in it’s actions DMCA has negatively affected HotAir’s work.

Spirit of 1776 on May 3, 2007 at 11:14 PM

Some of the responses on this thread remind me of the people who say “Well look at the way she was dressed..she was asking for it” about a rape victim.

EnochCain on May 3, 2007 at 8:28 PM

As I’ve told others, even though the way she’s dressed does raise serious issues (like the fact I wouldn’t have guessed she’s 15, even knowing how whorish little girls are these days), the real issue is her actions.

Here she rides him (NOT forced), while he lays back casually.

http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/?p=5355&page=1

When I first saw the video at Malkin’s site a few days ago I couldn’t believe that he brutalized this poor girl, slamming her all over the stage. The photos at that site paint an entirely different picture. She was in to it at the time. It’s not about her close saying she’s asking for it, it’s about her actions proving she was a willing participant.

RightWinged on May 3, 2007 at 11:14 PM

RightWinged on May 3, 2007 at 11:14 PM

Agreed. Video and photos narrate two different stories.

Spirit of 1776 on May 3, 2007 at 11:18 PM

For me, Verizon does not need to be linked with this guy and needs to distance itself. I am not convinced the still photos and the video are the same girl. How do we know for sure unless I missed something.

CrimsonFisted on May 3, 2007 at 11:32 PM

Rightwinged, i think you’ve convinced me actually. When i first saw the video, i was really shocked, and surprised, but it turns out the video only shows one side of the story,I don’t know if the video is a publicity stunt of some sort, but i just feel like the vid was just a bait for conservative to sink their teeth into, and then get nailed by the pictures. Akon being a scum, no less

mainmann on May 4, 2007 at 12:24 AM

all stolen from me and my time researching. Thanks, Laura and company. I know it’s way to hard to give credit where credit is due, and far much easier to steal and pass it of as your own. Hmmm . . . another Sean Hannity in the making.

Debbie Schlussel on May 3, 2007 at 5:42 PM
Why do you do that? You do something very interesting and informative, and earn respect and then you go off and be gratingly petty.
Email them and remind them, then if you don’t get satisfaction, you are free to whine in public, but be advised you won’t be respected for the whinging part of it.

naliaka on May 3, 2007 at 6:22 PM

***

Why do you do that? You do something very interesting and informative, and earn respect and then you go off and be gratingly petty.
Email them and remind them, then if you don’t get satisfaction, you are free to whine in public, but be advised you won’t be respected for the whinging part of it.

conservativecaveman on May 3, 2007 at 6:27 PM

No joke! Quite literally my least favorite part of these comment threads.
Spirit of 1776 on May 3, 2007 at 7:38 PM

FYI, her producer A.J. Rice, called and left me a message admitting that on this clip from the show, he read word for word from my column and passed it off as his own. Why did he call me? Because I called his boss and complained, and he got caught. Why do I mention it here? Because this audio clip has him using my work and passing it off as his own. That’s why. Is that petty? Not in the least, unless you believe that all of your property is mine for the taking also. But he shares your attitude, saying it was okay to steal because “we’re all on the same team.” What if Akon plagiarized? We’d be all over it.

No-one likes to be plagiarized. But apparently you think I should be happy that I did not get the credit for my hard work and research on this clip of what is being presented as Laura’s sidekick’s work on Akon, when in fact he read straight from my column, word for word–and has now copped to it. Again, If that’s petty, then perhaps you wouldn’t mind me stealing from your house and your bank account. Property is property. And they seem to have no problem giving credit to everyone else. I’m not a ghostwriter for Laura and her sidekicks.

Do you work for free?

Debbie Schlussel on May 4, 2007 at 12:28 AM

The facts and you, sir, have obviously never met. We didn’t get “beat down” by anyone. YouTube yanked the clip. We have NO CONTROL over that. None.

But we have our own server, where we’re still serving the video. And UMG hasn’t said boo to us

.

And that’s why Bryan and Michelle are 100% consistent and correct on this issue. HotAir.com gets 1.2 million page views a week and there have been no DCMA complaints lodged against them on behalf of Universal. That is significant because Fox, Viacom, LucasFilm, and Warner Brothers have all taken legal action against unincorporated individuals with Simpsons/Star Trek/Star Wars/Looney Tunes fan websites that had traffic nowhere near HotAir.com’s traffic.

Unless it’s changed recently, anyone can flag a copyright violation on YouTube–it doesn’t have to be the copyright holder. So short of Google, Inc. coughing up the e-mail trail how do any of us know it was lawyers from UMG that flagged the HotAir-Akon vid and not some dipsh*t BDS mental patient in front of his iMac?

(Yes, I know that not all dipsh*ts have iMacs… I’m just laying into the stereotype here for comedic effect)

ScottMcC on May 4, 2007 at 12:31 AM

Why did he call me? Because I called his boss and complained, and he got caught.

Good for you. I’m not here to argue with you, but before you come to steal from my house, let me illustrate my point. Hot Air serves as a news aggregate for me, and they cite their work. Your problem with this radio broadcast and with Hannity and Coulter (per previous threads) is independent of Hot Air. (So would be far more fitting that they cite you on-air, even after the fact as per their admission.)

Thus your discussing of it here is to draw attention to yourself, or more specifically to shift credit from others to yourself. As it is self-serving to you, and [ahem] an often repeated statement of yours, it is my least favorite part of these comment threads.

Your degradation of others (whether valid or not, and lets assume it is) is a prominent part of your on-line persona. And N. is right in that it detracts. Don’t agree? You are free to do as you wish of course. I tend to think credit falls where it is due eventually. The WSJ and Katie’s library card serve as example.

As for this question:

Do you work for free?

Sure, if the reason is important. Which is more important to you? The credit or the information getting out into the public?

You deserve credit for your work. No one disagrees with that I’m sure.

Spirit of 1776 on May 4, 2007 at 12:50 AM

Do you work for free?

Debbie Schlussel on May 4, 2007 at 12:28 AM

That wasn’t my point. It’s not fair to twist it into an approval of theft. It’s how graciously you are handling the problem.
Did you try to work it out privately, first, before dumping your anger on the thread?
I fail to see how snarling at the public is going to gain you fans. I was ready to be one, until your post the other day. And the two posts today don’t help, not a bit.
Good luck with your Public Relations.

naliaka on May 4, 2007 at 1:10 AM

We all know one thing. Nothing is going to happen to Akron because he’s money to the greedy b@st@rds that run record companies.

Mojave Mark on May 4, 2007 at 1:23 AM

Now this is what I like about Hot Air. WHEN YOUR RIGHT YOU ARE RIGHT. Conservatives can be self righteous authoritarian jerks sometimes (no one is perfect) but righteous anger is right. That was disgusting. MM used the word Animal. Not PC, but I agree.

Of course MM had to make it politcal and the darn LIBERALS Fault with the CODE of bashing NY Times. NYT made their comments before this concert, which was not in the USA. Its not the NY Times fault for God sakes.

This is what is COOL, HIP, SELLS today. I blame the corporations and rappers but its also lay at the feet of society and family (even conservative headed families). There are lots of well off white kids who buy this rap crap and their parents are GOOD republican conservatives and let them.

I think the control starts in the home. When Tipper Gore went after the hair bands in the 80′s and 90′s I think it just made it popular.

Hard question WHO is going to restrict free speech? HOW? I am pretty sure we don’t need love songs about your p#$%$*. What happened to Berry White, Marvin Gay and all the soul singers. Is this just Elvis? When he came out singing BLACK music and shaking his hips it was the end of the world. May be this is the indication of the slow decline of our nation and civilization?

When this stuff makes so much CASH, for the corporations and so called artist, they are only going to up the crap.

gmcjetpilot on May 4, 2007 at 3:54 AM

rokemronnie, that was really an unecessary personal attack on someone’s physical appearance. I happen to agree with you and naliaka about debbie’s posturing

mainmann on May 4, 2007 at 4:33 AM

Curses! I’m away for a few days and miss such a doozy of a thread.
As for Acorn, a criminal is a criminal. And criminals rap/sing/whatever about crime, and the record co. market it to our children. To be sure, it starts with us and knowing what our kids are up to. But big applause to MM and co. for attempting to bring this to light.

Because this isn’t about cultural decline is it, Debbie? It’s all about Debbie. It’s always been about Debbie, not the politics.

Did you try to work it out privately, first, before dumping your anger on the thread?
I fail to see how snarling at the public is going to gain you fans. I was ready to be one, until your post the other day. And the two posts today don’t help, not a bit.

Did you not know?!? Surely the first reaction was a lawsuit threat. For the love of Pete, DO NOT attempt to post her picture as a storm of litigation threats will surely rain down upon you. Have none of you heard of the “Not one of ours!” campaign? It’s ALL about Debbie. As of this thread, I think you qualify as a troll.

SouthernDem on May 4, 2007 at 8:59 AM

True enough, but there’s more to it than just that. Normally, this sort of thing would have been culty, staying a low-life circuit, but the media conglomerates have insinuated it into mainstream by altering the music, whitewashing it. Akon Thiam sings, “I want to F-you, f-you…” but the radio version is “I want to love you, love you….” That doesn’t sound too bad, does it? How are parents supposed to know that the song they heard their kids listening to is not the version the kids will hear at the concert or on the CD? Akon’s record label knows very well what he does on stage, but they hide it.
The African American community is not represented by these thugs. Never, ever hear the media present conservative Black voices. They are there. There are many. Our kids have a Black teacher who is a former cop. He counsels the students under his tutelage every single day about how bad rap is and warns them constantly against degenerate lifestyles. That’s nearly 300 kids, Black and White, a year who have heard him talk about living right and being disciplined. His daughter wouldn’t have snuck into such a place, but he’s the type of guy who would go up on the stage and take out someone like Akon, on behalf of every father out there.

naliaka on May 3, 2007 at 10:19 PM

I don’t contend that the black culture is broken anymore than any other. We’ve all, for the most part, complacently accepted a steady degredation of civility to the point that grotesque behavior is now the norm. So much the norm, in fact, that I doubt it ever, in relative terms, gets consigned to the oblivion where it belongs. People have two choices when pondering the average lifespan they can expect. They can take their 70 to 80 years (give or take) and strive to live them with a semblance of class, decorum, and humility OR they can choose to live like pigs, (there may be a middle position in there somewhere, but it wouldn’t make much sense). The pigs are winning. Indeed, the pigs have already won. They’ve taken over the public park and crapped on all the benches. But, the pigs and the pig tenders would tell us that if we don’t like it don’t go to the park. Little did we realize, we’ve already given the park away.

nico on May 4, 2007 at 11:52 AM

nico,

The crime rate, education rate, drop out rate, lack of fathers rate and such say it is broken more than others.

Hell, no one would say that Africa is no worse off than Europe or Australia…

Tim Burton on May 4, 2007 at 11:57 AM

He plans to banish the n-word, sexism and other vulgarities from hip hop. How about criticizing assault, Reverend?

I think reasonable people can conclude that on-stage assault falls under the umbrella of “sexism and other vulgarities”. Regardless, I don’t think its constructive to be overly critical of Sharpton for doing something that is, frankly, LONG overdue.

Be careful not to look like the types that are absolutely never satisfied. You should be applauding Sharpton, for once, with this.

DaveS on May 4, 2007 at 12:12 PM

nico,

The crime rate, education rate, drop out rate, lack of fathers rate and such say it is broken more than others.

Hell, no one would say that Africa is no worse off than Europe or Australia…

Tim Burton on May 4, 2007 at 11:57 AM

Tim, from a purely demographic standpoint your observation is valid (though I might hesitate to use europe in that context as a basis of comparison). But, once one crawls into the specific filth on which this thread concentrates, I think we’ll find a multicultural sty. It isn’t the black community alone, by far, that has rubber-stamped the steady demise of civility through the perversion of public airwaves. Every twisted form of self-gratification is now free expression to be defended on the basis of individuality and those of any background willing to oppose it are labeled dinosaurs, tyrants, or worse.

nico on May 4, 2007 at 12:24 PM

And, Tim, just as an example, how many panty-less black entertainers have you seen prancing about town giving the great American public static pictures of their overworked areas?

nico on May 4, 2007 at 12:29 PM

Bryan, I can’t believe you’re that blind. If in the future all media is locked, how will it be possible for anyone to use anything for “fair use”? Instead of taking snyde shots at the community at Digg for standing against DRM, Hotair should be standing with them.

greggish on May 4, 2007 at 1:13 PM

Thanks for your commetns.

But, once one crawls into the specific filth on which this thread concentrates, I think we’ll find a multicultural sty. It isn’t the black community alone, by far, that has rubber-stamped the steady demise of civility through the perversion of public airwaves. Every twisted form of self-gratification is now free expression to be defended on the basis of individuality and those of any background willing to oppose it are labeled dinosaurs, tyrants, or worse.

nico on May 4, 2007 at 12:24 PM

The media industry made decisions to prettify the gangstas – “cunning professionals.” I wonder though, what the national statistics are on the African-American families. The structured families quit the inner cities as soon as they could, leaving behind the rougher elements. So, I wonder what the demographics really are regarding incomes, schooling, education, etc. There are a lot of very solid Black families out there, doing fine, sending their kids to college, but they never get any attention for being normal folks. Too boring for the media to waste their precious time on?

naliaka on May 4, 2007 at 1:26 PM

naliaka, we have reached the unbridgeable impasse of agreement. Suffice it to say, that not a black conservative alive (familial or political) can stand without the inevitable Harriet Beecher Stowe reference. We can thank the NAACP and a whole platoon of race baiters.

nico on May 4, 2007 at 1:43 PM

And, Tim, just as an example, how many panty-less black entertainers have you seen prancing about town giving the great American public static pictures of their overworked areas?

nico on May 4, 2007 at 12:29 PM

Well, LiL Kim did some stuff up there too (like letting her left breast hang out). I think the difference is that most in the non-African community condemned her for it. On the other hand how many NBA players with 7 kids from 6 mothers are praised as a role model in the inner-city schools?

It is also noticeable in the music. Country, when they sing about crime usually has a moral to the story or where the guy is suffering for his crimes, but in Hip Hop it is the exact opposite. They tend to praise, brag and talk about the benefits of crime.

Now, I know that I am generalizing, but this is true as a universal. It may fail at times of the specifics.

Tim Burton on May 4, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Tim, from a purely demographic standpoint your observation is valid (though I might hesitate to use europe in that context as a basis of comparison). But, once one crawls into the specific filth on which this thread concentrates, I think we’ll find a multicultural sty. It isn’t the black community alone, by far, that has rubber-stamped the steady demise of civility through the perversion of public airwaves. Every twisted form of self-gratification is now free expression to be defended on the basis of individuality and those of any background willing to oppose it are labeled dinosaurs, tyrants, or worse.

nico on May 4, 2007 at 12:24 PM

I agree. I missed this originally.

While the entire American culture is going to a moral hell, I have never seen such a rubber stamp as I have in the black community. In fact I can’t think of a man in Cabrini under 30 that did NOT attend the Catholic church or Sunshine that condemned the drug dealing or such. It was more about “Hustlin’” and “Pimpin’” others.

And I don’t say this because I hate blacks or am sheltered from them, because I volunteer time with ethnics, but because I am concerned.

One of my favorite things is to read about Pullman Porters (I love railroads) and how hard they worked to support their families (80-100 hours a week). I wish they would go back to be willing to work that hard to support their families, they’d be a wealthy people group if they did.

Tim Burton on May 4, 2007 at 3:30 PM

rokemronnie, that was really an unecessary personal attack on someone’s physical appearance.

Perhaps, but how many other bloggers have a promo “beauty” shot at the top of their sites?

rokemronnie on May 4, 2007 at 3:39 PM

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omnipotent on May 4, 2007 at 3:50 PM

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omnipotent on May 4, 2007 at 3:52 PM

Well, LiL Kim did some stuff up there too (like letting her left breast hang out). I think the difference is that most in the non-African community condemned her for it. On the other hand how many NBA players with 7 kids from 6 mothers are praised as a role model in the inner-city schools?

It is also noticeable in the music. Country, when they sing about crime usually has a moral to the story or where the guy is suffering for his crimes, but in Hip Hop it is the exact opposite. They tend to praise, brag and talk about the benefits of crime.

Now, I know that I am generalizing, but this is true as a universal. It may fail at times of the specifics.

Again, Tim, I am neither solely condemning black culture or solely absolving it. My only point is that the mirror is very broad and has the full spectrum of faces reflected in it. Trash is trash regardless of what receptacle it originates from. Furthermore, the absense of any sustained and widespread defense of civility can be hung from nearly every door knob. It is disingenuous at best to rail against Akon without acknowledging that for at least 40 years, Americans (of all ethnicities) have passively allowed steadily accumulating mounds of excrement to replace public virtue. Who among us have truly put our best foot forward to extinguish this garbage? An email here and a phone call there does not even meet the definition of a mild inconvenience. As I said in my very first post on this issue, the problem isn’t Akon so much as the society whose apathy has allowed him to be.

nico on May 4, 2007 at 4:05 PM

I agree. I missed this originally.

While the entire American culture is going to a moral hell, I have never seen such a rubber stamp as I have in the black community. In fact I can’t think of a man in Cabrini under 30 that did NOT attend the Catholic church or Sunshine that condemned the drug dealing or such. It was more about “Hustlin’” and “Pimpin’” others.

And I don’t say this because I hate blacks or am sheltered from them, because I volunteer time with ethnics, but because I am concerned.

One of my favorite things is to read about Pullman Porters (I love railroads) and how hard they worked to support their families (80-100 hours a week). I wish they would go back to be willing to work that hard to support their families, they’d be a wealthy people group if they did.

Tim Burton on May 4, 2007 at 3:30 PM

I think we need to separate the “them” from the “they”. Every ethnicity is populated by the principled and the unprincipled. There’s a lot of white folk prospering from hip hop. And Eminem is hardly a portrait in civic virtue. A man Larry Flynt also comes to mind. Unfortunately, the only shared culture that has sprung from our multicultural society is the culture of self-gratification. We share little else. It’s not a problem that can be resolved (if it’s at all resolvable) by pinning the “most likely offender” ribbon on one another (and I’m aware that I’m dancing perilously close to a group hug and a chorus of Kum Baya). It, indeed, requires a concerted effort to extinguish this ugly, nihilistic, sub-human behavior.

nico on May 4, 2007 at 4:20 PM

naliaka and nico: Thank you for all you’ve done in this thread.

baldilocks on May 5, 2007 at 6:41 AM

Note to fellow HotAirheads:

I just got a phone call from Debbie Schlussel. She’s upset with my “defamatory” posts about her abilities as a lawyer, agent and talk show host. Said my comments were “actionable”. She was so upset that she tracked down various screen names that I use and did a little personal checking on my flaws.

Touchy, touchy. It seems that her luminous alabaster skin is micron thin.

However, saying someone “couldn’t make it” in various professions may be critical, but it’s hardly defamatory. “Making it” is a subjective assessment. Someone can have significant success relative to the general public but still not “make it” in a particular endeavor.

Since I’m sure that Debbie is following this thread, I’ll use an analogy that a jock sniffer might understand.

A player who gets drafted in the first round and leaves the NBA after a couple of years to go play in Europe is certainly a skilled basketball player relative to the general public, but it would not be defamatory to say that they didn’t “make it” in pro ball.

In most people’s minds, “making it” is comparable to great success. While Debbie is, I’m quite sure, an adequate attorney, and I’m sure that as an agent she represents the interests of her clients, and she definitely had a radio show for about a year, she has not reached the top rank of any of those professions.

If Debbie wants to sue me for defamation, like I told her, she can go up to 1200 Telegraph and file. I’m sure she knows the directions to get there. I’m perfectly willing to let 12 of my fellow citizens look at the record and determine if Debbie has had great success in the fields that I mentioned. We can do discovery and determine what percentage of criminal cases she’s won, what kinds of civil judgements she’s gotten for her clients, what the Arbitron ratings were for her radio show, and what athletes and entertainers she currently represents.

In any case, this is rich. Debbie paints herself as some kind of libertarian yet she tries to intimidate people from making critical comments about her on blogs. Like I said, with DS, it’s never really about the politics or culture, it’s just about Debbie.

PS: Just to be sure, I checked with a good friend who works, full time, as an attorney and he said that my comments aren’t defamatory. He also said that it sounds like a couple of “babies fighting”. He knows me well. Sounds like he’s got a good read on Debbie as well.

rokemronnie on May 6, 2007 at 1:00 PM

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