I agree with you. Didn’t Hezbollah declare victory in the fight with Israel last summer? After Israel stopped short of obliterating them.

I really hope that this country’s voters have more common sense than the Dems give them and vote Republican. We Republicans can’t stay home in protest either.

I shudder at the thought of what this country might become if the Dems get the White House. Can you imgagine that they invite the Islamofacist to come here for a “dialogue of peace and chit chat etc” so that “we all can just get along” and so as not to offend them, don’t take the necessary security precautions and they nuke us or something upon their arrival? Oh, then they will turn around and blame it on Bush because he was such a bad president that it forced Americans to vote for a Democrat and on and on and on…

Do I think we’re going wrong in Iraq? Yes.

I guess I’m part of that 60%.

Do I think that the latter is necessary cause for the former? No.

Whoops. Maybe I’m not part of that 60%. Or maybe that 60% is nothing more than rhetorical fodder.

The Defeatocrats are catering to the far Left with this vote. If they gain more power in 2008 we have just a small taste of what damage they will do to this country.

It is time those who oppose the Left give on economic issues to deny the Left a clear victory in the next election. They can start with increasing the minimum wage, cease opposition to the Alternative Minimum Tax and Inheritance Tax, and enforce immigration laws that will free jobs for AMERICANs. If Republicans do not give on economic issues you have just a preview of what the Defeatocrats will do to our country.

If so, it’s easy. we send our troops to Darfur while Iraq gets worse that Darfur is now… Then we can come back.

Right?

We just need to let it go to hell before we can justify being there. Stopping it from going to hell is pointless and we need to leave.

Or did I miss something there?

The liberald don’t give a rats ars about that because ‘they could win seats’ as the Reaper Reid said, and as Pelosi et Nonfactor believe.

Here’s hoping that the “majority of the American people” are more humane than that, if not smarter…

And, please, never, ever, write ‘progressive’ about the liberals, without putting the word in single-quotes. They don’t give a damn about other people’s liberty and freedom, so long as they win seats.

This bill is a perfect example as to how useful a line item veto would be.

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on May 2, 2007 at 3:55 PM

That depends upon how the pork is attached to the bill. If they are rider amendments, they are not line items and a LIV couldn’t be used on them. If all appropriations called for in the bill are itemized as a budgetary structure, then it would work. But I don’t think you’re interested so much in the added pork.

The deadlines which the bill attempts to set could not be lined out by the President while maintaining the appropriations portion. The language doesn’t work that way.

A line item veto doesn’t allow the Executive to simply edit and redact a bill at whim to get it to look as he wishes.

NF, do you believe that?
Do you, personally, believe that U.S. forces can cut and run in 6 months and it won’t be anything less than a surrender?

billy on May 2, 2007 at 3:43 PM

It doesn’t matter if Nonfactor believes that. It doesn’t even matter if 100% of the American people believe it. It matters with the Islamist terrorists and dictators of the Middle East think. They will interpret it as surrender–there is absolutely no doubt of that. Their belief that they won will embolden them, and life will get far worse for the West and for the oppressed peoples of the Middle East. We can think we didn’t surrender all we want. It’s what they think that matters. They are the aggressors, despite what liberals believe. The Islamists started this with acts of terrorism and defiance of the international community. They will continue it, especially if they think they are winning. There is no other way for them to interpret us leaving. None.

Who then goes on and cites some BOGUS talking point statistics.

First of all, you’re a f*cking liar, like most of your traitorous ilk.

I’m sick and tired of letting liars like you get away with spouting this bullsh*t! You assclowns rely too much on the “big lie” tactic overcoming America’s real opinion on Iraq. It isn’t working….

The American public does NOT want the United States to lose in Iraq. The American public does NOT want to see the terrorists win in Iraq and will not support doing anything that would lead to that eventuality.

From an IBD/TIPP poll: “How important is a US victory in Iraq?” Very important: 42%, Somewhat important: 24%, meaning tht 66% of Americans THINK IT IMPORTANT TO WIN IN IRAQ. 53% of Democrats agree, by the way, as do 63% of independents and 85% of Republicans.

“How hopeful are you that we will succeed?” Very hopeful: 35%, Somewhat hopeful: 23% meaning that 58% of Americans DO NOT THINK THE WAR IS LOST as you traitor nutroots do.

Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, said before the 2006 vote: ‘Americans should vote Democratic,’ adding that ‘it is time the American people support those who want to take them out of the Iraqi mud.’ The statement could have come from Murtha, Kerry, Hillary or any number of Democrats.

We find it scary that the Democratic and terrorist game plans are indistinguishable.

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=256522262721962

At least your “handle” (i.e., “nonfactor”) is appropriate.

You are NOT a factor. You’re a lying troll who has just been exposed as such.

The President isn’t flouting the will of the American people, he is HONORING IT and exposing you Democrats as the Al Qaeda supporting traitors you all are.

VOTE DEMOCRAT, VOTE TRAITOR!

rw on May 2, 2007 at 4:25 PM

Ahhh. Thank you. That makes sense.

PALAMINO!

And, what is with Kucinich answering “present”? Not that I care all that much about Kucinich, but, is this a way for a rep. to be non-committal? Just curious.

Kucinich voted against the funding originally, so he can’t vote to override the veto. He also can’t vote to sustain the veto because that would appear to support the President, so he’s stuck voting “present.”

Limerick on May 2, 2007 at 3:58 PM

Look, lets not forget, A LOT of those votes had to bought with promises of big-time pork which is always a last ditch move of desperation. It would take so much pork to get an override there would be accusations of bribery with the public coffers it would still hurt the Dems.

- The Cat

Want a cure for cancer ? We have it in Stem Cell Research!

Want Good paying jobs ? We will raise minimum wage !

Want a end to global warming ? We will legistate it !

Want an end to the War on Terror ? We will pass a bill !

but then that has been the history of the democratic party. making worthless promises that it can never keep.

I don’t see how some people can view this as only the Democrats fault when it is the President who is vetoing the bills. You need benchmarks with consequences to get something done and get the government motivated. If we continue to say to the Iraqi government “We want you to do this, but keep in mind that if you don’t we won’t do anything” nothing is going to get done.

Nonfactor on May 2, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Um, because even Charles Rangell said that the Democratic leaders had to put mounds of pork in the bill, to get the fellow Democrats to vote “Yes” on the bill. Here ya go, complete with video:

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/02/video-rangel-admits-dems-abused-war-funding-bill/

Next, where are these surveys being taken? Odds are, not in Anytown, USA. They’re being conducted in New York, Washington, LA, etc. How about all of the smaller cities and towns, where people also have an opinion.

Those polls you quote, are pointless. Basically it means, that 60% of the 400 people we asked in Los Angeles, agree with you. Let’s conduct a survey among 10 of my friends, asking if they like me. 100% “Yes”. Oh my God! The whole nation likes me! Yeah, about the same holding.