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posted at 1:51 pm on April 30, 2007 by see-dubya

The WaPo notices that people are sometimes rather rude to women who write online. They write in depth about the death threats against Kathy Sierra, and even make it around to mentioning Michelle’s unpleasant history of threats and slurs.

I really hate to sound like the guy for whom no apology is ever sufficient, and no story is ever accurate enough. But the WaPo’s summary of Michelle’s thoughts–while better than the Lone Wolf McQuade writeup she got in the WaPo last time–is bewildering:

Some female bloggers say their colleagues just need thicker skin. Columnist Michelle Malkin, who blogs about politics and culture, said she sympathizes with Sierra but has chided the bloggers expressing outrage now. “First, where have y’all been? For several years, the unhinged Internet underworld has been documented here,” she wrote, reposting a comment on her site that called for the “torture, rape, murder” of her family.

Report the serious threats to law enforcement, she urged. And above all: “Keep blogging. Don’t cut and run.”

But Herring said Malkin is in a minority. “There’s a whole bunch of women who are being intimidated,” she said. They include academics, professional programmers and other women normally unafraid to speak their minds.

Saying your colleagues “just need thicker skin” sounds a little brutal under the circumstances, and that’s not what Michelle said. “Expressing sympathy” for the victim and urging her to keep blogging is supportive, not dismissive. It doesn’t minimize the threat or Sierra’s reaction to it; the threats are outrageous and shouldn’t have to be tolerated by anyone.

Unless, of course, you’re conservative. Then no one cares. That’s when, apparently, you just need to grow thicker skin.

And then the other line–

“But [Indiana University professor] Herring said Malkin is in a minority”.

Racist!

No, seriously, though, how is she in a minority? Herring says there is a whole group of women being harassed. Michelle, speaking from firsthand knowledge, agrees. I’m not sure if this is imprecise writing, or if they’re setting her up as a hardass/conservative foil to the mainstream response. In this case I actually suspect the former–that the piece was written under the impression that there was more disagreement between the Malkin response to harassment and the mainstream (or at least Herring) than there actually was, and the contrast was just not quite edited out. Maybe there were originally more quotes that supported the contrast that did get edited out. Who knows.

I know you will be glad to know that this sort of thing never happens at the Huffington Post:

Arianna Huffington, whose Huffington Post site is among the most prominent of blogs founded by women, said anonymity online has allowed “a lot of those dark prejudices towards women to surface.” Her site takes a “zero tolerance” policy toward abusive and excessively foul language, and employs moderators “24/7″ to filter the comments, she said.

(draws rolled eyes.)


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Heh. As noted previously by people more knowledgeable than me, why — exactly — would the leftist HuffHo site need to monitor the comments made by their well-educated and culturally sensitive liberal commenters “24/7″? Surely the comments there are reasoned, educated and respectful opinions … no?

Jaibones on April 30, 2007 at 2:08 PM

reposting a comment on her site that called for the “torture, rape, murder” of her family.

What our friends in the reality-based community would term as: “A typical Wednesday evening.”

ScottMcC on April 30, 2007 at 2:18 PM

Her site takes a “zero tolerance” policy toward abusive and excessively foul language, and employs moderators “24/7″ to filter the comments, she said.

O RLY?

Bad Candy on April 30, 2007 at 2:19 PM

So let me get this straight. HuffPo won’t let you use rude or sexist language about women unless they’re Republican?

MoxArgon on April 30, 2007 at 2:20 PM

Her site takes a “zero tolerance” policy toward abusive and excessively foul language, and employs moderators “24/7″ to filter the comments, she said.

Now if she would do this when it comes to those that post posts . . .

- The Cat

P.S. How does one Post Tosties?

MirCat on April 30, 2007 at 2:23 PM

No death wishes of prominent conservatives on HuffPoo either…

Entelechy on April 30, 2007 at 2:25 PM

For several years, the unhinged Internet underworld has been documented here,” she wrote, reposting a comment on her site that called for the “torture, rape, murder” of her family.

Its not the posters fault that they engaged in that slightly excessive rhetoric. You just have to understand, what Bush is doing to this country, its effecting these posters in a deep way, and then for Malkin, a minority AND a woman who oughta know better, to support and march in lockstep for this evil man who is destroying our world through his pollution, war, and taking away of habeus corpus, it is VERY upsetting, and causes these negative emotions and feelings.

We need to have a dialogue about this so that these unfortunate
occurences happen less frequently, and maybe we can convince right wing demagogues like Malkin to put more consideration into what they say and write so that these things don’t happen.

Heh, OK, I think I just made myself sick…

Bad Candy on April 30, 2007 at 2:32 PM

Arianna Huffington, whose Huffington Post site is among the most prominent of blogs founded by women, said anonymity online has allowed “a lot of those dark prejudices towards women to surface.” Her site takes a “zero tolerance” policy toward abusive and excessively foul language, and employs moderators “24/7″ to filter the comments, she said.

Except when it comes to Republican politicians and pundits …

SisterToldjah on April 30, 2007 at 2:37 PM

Huffington needs to straighten her halo…

unamused on April 30, 2007 at 2:46 PM

Because this is “The New” America, with “New Progressive” thinking, and “The New” media consciousness.

Up is down, good is bad, bad is good, and everything is tollerated except for those of us who refuse being dictated to by the tollerant.

Lawrence on April 30, 2007 at 3:34 PM

You guys know that liberals can’t handle any opinion different than their own…let alone criticism…such a HUGE double standard in this country…at what point did the communists and the socialists take over the media in this country? The silent majority is alive and well…and soon we will be kickin’ to boot!

DCJeff on April 30, 2007 at 3:53 PM

It’s simple. There is no such thing as “rude or excessively foul language” when the target is a conservative and/or a Christian. Only when the target is a socialist, minority, non-Christian.

Just like when the Arabs say they are for peace, you need to know their definition in order to be having the same conversation that they are. Their definition of peace is what follows when Israel is destroyed.

Freelancer on April 30, 2007 at 4:33 PM

There are a handful of men who are pretty brutish toward women, even on hotair.com.

These are IMO the wired age equivalent of heavy breathers–these were guys who called you (back in the dark ages before caller ID) and breathed heavily–and moistly, yuck, into the phone. Lonely fellas if you get my drift.

The point being, it’s the medium, not the message, that’s changed. Some men are just incapable of interaction with women, which nets out as anonymous rage.

honora on April 30, 2007 at 4:33 PM

Up is down, good is bad, bad is good, and everything is tollerated except for those of us who refuse being dictated to by the tollerant.

Lawrence on April 30, 2007 at 3:34 PM

…which makes them intolerant, right? Oh my head….

honora on April 30, 2007 at 4:35 PM

Oh my head….

honora on April 30, 2007 at 4:35 PM

Harrumph. Typical female response….

ScottG on April 30, 2007 at 4:40 PM

Harrumph. Typical female response….

ScottG on April 30, 2007 at 4:40 PM

Now that’s funny!!

honora on April 30, 2007 at 4:46 PM

I think Arianna needs to actually pay her alleged PC comment patrol over there, or at least give them free coffee.

They seem to be leaning on their shovels most of the time.

Ken McCracken on April 30, 2007 at 4:54 PM

There are a handful of men who are pretty brutish toward women, even on hotair.com.

These are IMO the wired age equivalent of heavy breathers–these were guys who called you (back in the dark ages before caller ID) and breathed heavily–and moistly, yuck, into the phone. Lonely fellas if you get my drift.

The point being, it’s the medium, not the message, that’s changed. Some men are just incapable of interaction with women, which nets out as anonymous rage.

honora on April 30, 2007 at 4:33 PM

Where you referring to moi? Just askin’, cause this place has a lot more in refinement than say, huffpo, mon ami.

tormod on April 30, 2007 at 5:07 PM

Where you referring to moi? Just askin’, cause this place has a lot more in refinement than say, huffpo, mon ami.

tormod on April 30, 2007 at 5:07 PM

Is this an automatic reflex. Someone (well me) makes a comment remotely critical of hotair or whatever–insert conservative icon–and you immediately shoot back with the liberal equivalent? Did so, did not, did so, did not. Oy.

And no, I was not referring to you. At least not the blogging part…who am I to say how you spent your younger years. Alone in your room with your powder blue princess phone……;^)

honora on April 30, 2007 at 5:12 PM

These are IMO the wired age equivalent of heavy breathers–these were guys who called you (back in the dark ages before caller ID) and breathed heavily–and moistly, yuck, into the phone. Lonely fellas if you get my drift.

The point being, it’s the medium, not the message, that’s changed. Some men are just incapable of interaction with women, which nets out as anonymous rage.

honora on April 30, 2007 at 4:33 PM

Slightly off topic but this reminded me of when my wife, who speaks english as a second language, first lived in the states. We started getting prank calls from one of the guys you described (I was never at home which led us to believe he had a copy of the unit recall roster) who would ask her “Did you just take a shower” or similar things. At that time her english was limited and being the sweetheart she is, she would ever so politely say “I’m sorry, I didn’t understand could you repeat please” He gave up after a few calls.

Bradky on April 30, 2007 at 5:36 PM

Harrumph. Typical female response….

ScottG on April 30, 2007 at 4:40 PM
Now that’s funny!!

honora on April 30, 2007 at 4:46 PM

At least somebody noticed….

ScottG on April 30, 2007 at 5:42 PM

Slightly off topic but this reminded me of when my wife, who speaks english as a second language, first lived in the states…

Bradky on April 30, 2007 at 5:36 PM

Bradky, I almost posted this on the ‘multilingual Hillary’ thread.

There, your wife is at least bilingual (possibly multilingual), and Hillary is not. Progress!!!

Entelechy on April 30, 2007 at 7:08 PM

Entelechy on April 30, 2007 at 7:08 PM

Hope springs eternal? LOL

Bradky on April 30, 2007 at 7:13 PM

And no, I was not referring to you. At least not the blogging part…who am I to say how you spent your younger years. Alone in your room with your powder blue princess phone……;^)

honora on April 30, 2007 at 5:12 PM

I’m sorry, I REFUSE to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

tormod on April 30, 2007 at 7:23 PM

I know you will be glad to know that this sort of thing never happens at the Huffington Post:

Arianna Huffington, whose Huffington Post site is among the most prominent of blogs founded by women, said anonymity online has allowed “a lot of those dark prejudices towards women to surface.” Her site takes a “zero tolerance” policy toward abusive and excessively foul language, and employs moderators “24/7″ to filter the comments, she said.

(draws rolled eyes.)

posted at 1:51 pm on April 30, 2007 by see-dubya

There are a handful of men who are pretty brutish toward women, even on hotair.com.

honora on April 30, 2007 at 4:33 PM

Is this an automatic reflex. Someone makes a comment remotely critical of hotair huffpo or whatever–insert conservative liberal icon–and you immediately shoot back with the liberal conservative equivalent? Did so, did not, did so, did not. Oy.

honora on April 30, 2007 at 5:12 PM

Heh.

Gianni on May 1, 2007 at 9:24 AM