How often do we hear bleeding hearts say the following when a rapist, a robber, an embezzler, or a murderer is arrested and sentenced to incarceration, thus separating him and his wife and children, and other family members? “Oh, it is just awful that the children will be separated from their family members!”

Nonsense!

When you break a serious law, a law which helps maintain order, economic stability, prosperity, and safety and security as illegal immigration does, it is right and just that the law breakers be dealt with. If families are separated, it is the fault of the criminal, not the fault of the people of the United States, and not the fault of law enforcement.

Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time, and think about your children before you break the law and put US citizens in danger.

William

Michele is doing a good job on the factor. Nice of Bill to bring her along like he does. But hey–how about that KP?
sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss she is HOTer every time I see her! She’ll be a biggie too and maybe, just maybe a convert:o)

Again, I stand by my observation, God help us that we have to discuss this while a satan based religion is again being shoved upon the ignorant world, promoted and defended by liberal minds, in the name of “tolerance”. How blind we all must be.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 1, 2007 at 12:20 PM

Good point. The UCC is on the cutting edge of several idiotic positions, along with the Episcopal Church, which is enduring a possible split right now. But the left edge of the UMC is right there with them ideologically.

is this woman bathing in the baptismal?

Eeewwww.

There’s not a baptismal – Methodists sprinkle.

Jaibones on May 1, 2007 at 10:06 AM

My parents belong to the UMC in rural North Carolina, they’re still fairly conservative. In Atlanta, the UMC is much as you describe. When my church singles group hosted a debate on abortion, the pro side was presented by a UMC minister.

Mexico is ranked by the World Bank as an “Upper Middle Income Country.”

Compare Mexico’s GDP of $6,397
El Salvador’s $2,301
Guatemala: $2,157
a group of African countries:
Guinea:$421 (inf. mort: 91.82/1000)
Gambia: $281 (inf. mort: 73.48/1000)
Guniea-Bissau: $176 (inf. mort: 108.72/1000)
Ghana: $403 (infant mort: 49.90/1000)
Nigeria: $594 (70.49/1000)
Cape Verde: $1,947 (infant mort: 49.14/1000)
South Africa:$4,507 (62.18/1000)
Angola: $1,309 (192.50/1000 – the world’s worst)
How about India, that booming call-center economy:
GNP: $626 with an infant mortality rate of 57.92/1000)

Seems plain that Mexico ought to be opening its borders to the world’s poor.

Data figures are available at Geography IQ -World Atlas -Rankings Infant Mortality (www.geographyiq.com)
Also United Nations Statistics Division – Demographic and Socia/ Statistics (via – http://www.unstats.un.org)
and also Country classifications at http://www.worldbank.org

think that church has put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this issue. On the one hand, it would “seem” like the right thing to do since as far as has been told, she is not a criminal per say and is a threat to no one. And since the boy is an American citizen, it would take a pretty heartless bastard to condone the seperation of a youngster from his mother, or to condone sending the boy back to the hell hole of Mexico with his mother.

NRA4Freedom on May 1, 2007 at 10:48 AM

You stated the situation as put forth to the public, the woman is not a criminal per se. Well, yes she is, having purposely entered another sovereign nation illegally, and once there, refusing to abide by the laws when confronted with her willful transgression. To have a baby in that country in order to try to take advantage of the country’s laws is a cruel manipulation of her own child’s future happiness. If she has a kid, then she’s using him as a tool to get herself what she wants – or worse, to push a hostile political movement onto another’s country’s citizens. Pretty callous. The church activities here have more to do with enabling (aiding and abetting) wrong than any “justice.”
Here’s some extra to think about:
Mexico’s GDP and GNP and infant mortalities and schooling ratios, childhood vaccinations rates, household income, maternal mortality rates, and a host of other standard indicators of quality of life are waaaay, waaaaaay better than most African countries. When was the last time anyone heard of a famine in any Mexican state, and saw heart-wrenching photos of emaciated Mexicans?

For The Monster and Debbie Schluessel.

Also, the Supreme Court has never decided and it’s entirely up to the Congress. It will never change, regardless of which party is in power. Both are courting the most powerful minority constituency.

Entelechy on May 1, 2007 at 1:00 AM

The S. Ct. hasn’t decided. But other courts have. And it’s never been the decision we want. But, in time, that could change–with the right judges and justices. Don’t look for Bush to appoint those, though.

That said, I wish the various churches of today would attack the murder of the innocent unborn with the zeal that this one is attacking immigration law with by doing what they are doing.

Legally, I believe that the only thing keeping the authorities from simply going in after her is the media spectacle that would be created if they did so.

God help us when we have to debate whether or not to seperate a son from his mother or send them both back to a hell hole of a Country, while at the same time we as a Nation bend over and capitulate to the so called “religion of peace” while their “preachers” openly call for the murder of anyone who stands opposed to Islam, right here on our own shores…

we are indeed filthy sinners, justly deserving of God’s wrath and displeasure.

Hebrews 13:17
17Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Guess the good pastor forgot about this little tidbit in the bible (and a few others). Christ was quite adamant about following the governing leaders. Kind of the render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s. The audacity of these pastors is amazing. Christ submitted himself before the law, these pastors think they know more than Christ knew. They serve their own ego’s…not as servants of God.

Here, the Methodist church did backflips to try and placate a minister who was conducting gay marriages on the north side of Chicago. Happily, they ultimately defrocked him, but it was about a 50 – 50 split. That’s the direction that church is going. As for illegal immigrants, the church hierarchy is unified in their open borders mentality, but then, so is the Catholic Church.

They are also pro-abortion up here, believe it or not. Schism.

I’m starting a ‘Michelle instead of O’Reilly’ movement and hope all of you Michelle fans will join in.

As much as I admire Michelle’s work, I would hesitate to wish for her to have her own show, much less take over from O’Reilly.

Now, this is only judging from a distance, as I cannot say I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Mrs Malkin. But from everything I have read, and everything she has blogged, about the effect of what noteriety she has already on her personal life — the threats against her, her family, and having to relocate and transfer her children to other schools — it seems that these difficulties would only get worse. She also appears to thrive on a certain accessiblity, whether at conventions like CPAC, or other such events, and of not being part of the “celebrity” class.

I make these observations, less out of presumption, then out of genuine sympathy for the situation in which she occasionally finds herself, as well as for her loved ones. It is also tempered by a genuine wish for her continued success in all her endeavors.

It would appear that, in staying her present course, she has found the proper balance, in having a place in the public square, and still being able to maintain a decent family life. Why screw that up just for the risk of being overexposed?

But hey, that’s just me.

O’Reilly thinks he is so smart but if he is he had better watch out or Michelle will have his show. And she should!

I’m starting a ‘Michelle instead of O’Reilly’ movement and hope all of you Michelle fans will join in.

Eeewwww.

Can a church’s tax-exempt status be revoked if they become politically involved?

(BTW, is their ANY group of Christians participating here on HotAir that I have not yet offended?)

CyberCipher on May 1, 2007 at 12:45 AM

How about Mormons?

So are my observations accurate?
Go ahead. Tell me that I’m wrong.

Your observations are absolutely correct. The United Methodist Church came out of the Weslyan movement, but has largely strayed past that. In fact, we had a United Methodist Pastor come to one of my classes and say that Hell doesn’t exist. Wesley would have most likely disapproved of that. Wesley once said that he did not fear that the people called Methodists would cease to exist, but that they would end up becoming a dead sect. With the form of religion without the power. Clearly in my opinion that is largely what has happened to the United Methodist Church. Talk to the average Methodist, or even a Methodist pastor about the steps the original Methodists took in their spiritual lives and they would probably balk at it. I’m lucky to have had a Methodist pastor who actually read Wesley and agreed with him.

The name Methodist was originally an insult the group later adopted. It refered to how there was a method to their spiritual lives. Every day they’d wake up, pray, do this, do that. It was highly fixed.

I would not say that the Pentecostal or Charismatic churces are Holiness per se, but they do branch off from that movement.

How about Mormons?

The Mormons do not owe their start to any branch of Christianity. It basically started that Joseph Smith started praying to God and God came telling him that all current forms are corrupt. He rejected the religious movements of his day and found no source in them. Mormons are Mormons.

So are my observations accurate?
Go ahead. Tell me that I’m wrong.

CyberCipher on May 1, 2007 at 12:45 AM

My reference was to the Evangelical Covenant Church, which has it’s roots in the Lutheran Church. According to this chart, The Covenant Church was part of the Lutheran Reformation, which differed from the Angelican Reformation. The Methodist Church and the Holiness Movement came from the Angelican Reformation.

BTW, I was told that the Covenant Church is one of the few, if only, demoninations to originate in the United States.

Also, the Supreme Court has never decided and it’s entirely up to the Congress. It will never change, regardless of which party is in power. Both are courting the most powerful minority constituency.

CyberCipher on May 1, 2007 at 12:45 AM

How about Mormons?