Bill Richardson: Save Darfur by…joining the ICC?

posted at 2:29 pm on April 30, 2007 by Bryan

Democrat presidential candidate Bill Richardson’s plan for saving Darfur is a boilerplate special until point 6:

6. Last, America should join the International Criminal Court.

That’s it. No explanation for how ceding American sovereignty and making American troops subject to the whims of international bureaucrats and judges will help save a single life in Darfur. Because it won’t.

Darfur is the new “free Tibet,” a way for liberals to make themselves feel good about caring about people halfway around the world, and a way to make themselves look good to the cocktail set. And it’s also a useful way to use sympathy to try to slip destructive Trojan horses past American voters.

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I used to think Richardson wasn’t so bad, but he’s actually amazingly nutty when you get down to the particulars.

Not that the ICC is full-on nutty–just a very bad idea, but not insane. The nutty part is thinking it will help Darfur.

see-dubya on April 30, 2007 at 2:36 PM

The ICC…yeah, no. Get bent, Bill. Every eurosocialist nation in a snit about us taking the lead in a military action because they were too damn lazy/cowarldy/cheap/in bed with the bad guys, and scumbag two-bit dictator looking to knock the US down a peg would be filing charges on any soldier within 1000 miles of their border or even not, just start throwing charges around, and everyone knows it.

Bad Candy on April 30, 2007 at 2:40 PM

And if you think that getting involved in Darfur is a good idea, how was getting involved in ending a regime that killed 300,000+ a bad thing. See also: Hussein, Saddam.

Virtually the same players are involved and blocking action to stop the carnage. Oil money is preventing action, and the UN isn’t going to act because Sudan refuses to allow anything to happen more strident than a harshly worded letter.

Yet, Richardson thinks that the UN will stop things?

lawhawk on April 30, 2007 at 2:40 PM

The day we join the ICC is the day I join the CSA.

Limerick on April 30, 2007 at 2:40 PM

What do you expect? Last week at the Dem debate here is SC the question was (paraphrased) “What do you hope to accomplish at the end of your first day in office?” First thing Richardson said was, “Get us out of Iraq through diplomacy…”

KelliD on April 30, 2007 at 2:44 PM

“Get us out of Iraq through diplomacy…”

Well of course, he’s a State Dept. Bureaucrat, and a liberal one to boot, so he knows like ANY good liberal that problems can always be solved through ‘dialogue’.

Bad Candy on April 30, 2007 at 2:47 PM

The second we lift a single rifle to stop the horror in Darfur, we will immediately be emasculated by the very left who use it as a signature issue today.

Liberal Motto: “Care….from a distance.”

It is not appropriate to do the dirty deed required to free an oppressed or hunted people. All that’s required is the wearing of some newfangled lapel ribbon.

unamused on April 30, 2007 at 2:49 PM

Getting involved in Darfur is only a good idea when you know that you will never actually have to get involved in Darfur.

rw on April 30, 2007 at 2:54 PM

When you ask a person who’s locked onto the subject of Darfur what he or she proposes to do about it, you’ll usually hear about 30 seconds of “international this” and “diplomacy that” before the person begins to lapse into babble. I’ve often said that we should send in troops from the militarily worthless countries like France, Germany, Belgium, and Canada, but it won’t happen. The only solution is American force, and that shouldn’t happen. We’re the only country willing and able to fight to save the free world, and as horrible as things may be in Darfur, it’s just going to have to be the other nations that pick up the altruistic missions.

Besides, call me cynical, but aren’t some of the Save Darfur people the same ones complaining about our overthrow of a guy who attempted genocide against his own people?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 30, 2007 at 2:55 PM

I say we send in a Delta team and a couple of bags of marshmellows.

- The Cat

MirCat on April 30, 2007 at 3:02 PM

Third, we should deploy a UN peacekeeping force to eastern Chad to prevent a regionalization of the conflict.

I think the last time the UN sent the Powder Blue Helmet Brigade to an African nation, they were less interested in peace keeping and more interested in looking for a piece.

Good idea, Bill.

fogw on April 30, 2007 at 3:04 PM

I think the last time the UN sent the Powder Blue Helmet Brigade to an African nation, they were less interested in peace keeping and more interested in looking for a piece.

Good idea, Bill.

fogw on April 30, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Am I a bad person for wishing AIDS on some people? Even if they’re rapists? And French?

Savage on April 30, 2007 at 3:10 PM

Does anyone have a figure for U.S. foreign aid for the last say….100 years? Combine that with charitable donations….
and all for what? What exactly have we accomplished with it?
Typical liberal attitude….throw money at it! Be-gone you devils!

Limerick on April 30, 2007 at 3:12 PM

The day we join the ICC is the day I join the CSA.

Limerick on April 30, 2007 at 2:40 PM

OK, I’ll bite: CSA?

Jaibones on April 30, 2007 at 3:12 PM

Confederate States of America. Been a blue coat all my life (even tho I am a Texan…but the butternut is looking better and better)

Limerick on April 30, 2007 at 3:14 PM

Yeah hands up if you think any of those things will make even the slightest difference in Darfur. The ICC recommendation makes even less sense, looks like he just shoe horned that in there for the nutroots consumption.

Dash on April 30, 2007 at 3:23 PM

The day we join the ICC is the day I join the CSA.

Limerick on April 30, 2007 at 2:40 PM

You can sign up right after me. I look forward to having a George Washington Day, a Jefferson Davis Day, a Robert E. Lee Day, and finally a Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson day.

Tim Burton on April 30, 2007 at 3:23 PM

Darfur is the new “free Tibet,” a way for liberals to make themselves feel good about caring about people halfway around the world, and a way to make themselves look good to the cocktail set.

I was just noticing that today in the cafeteria with CNN having a story on Darfur. It is something for them to constantly fret about, negotiate, discuss but do nothing substantial to help the Christians there. Liberals love process because it makes them feel important, but results mean nothing to them.

januarius on April 30, 2007 at 3:31 PM

Confederate States of America. Been a blue coat all my life (even tho I am a Texan…but the butternut is looking better and better)

Limerick on April 30, 2007 at 3:14 PM

WOOOOOO!!!!!! YankeeCon FTW!!!!!

januarius, same reason the left is full of socialists too. Makes them look and feel great because they are ‘trying’ to make people equal, but the results are nada.

Bad Candy on April 30, 2007 at 3:34 PM

Hmm…what is it about this thread that keeps making my posts disappear?

Bad Candy on April 30, 2007 at 3:37 PM

Darfur is the new “free Tibet,” a way for liberals to make themselves feel good about caring about people halfway around the world, and a way to make themselves look good to the cocktail set.

I was just noticing that today in the cafeteria with CNN having a story on Darfur. It is something for them to constantly fret about, negotiate, discuss but do nothing substantial to help the Christians there. Liberals love process because it makes them feel important, but results mean nothing to them.

januarius

Both were and still are noble things to send troops to save the populace but the liberals here don’t bother asking their almighty UN or blaming any other country for not sending troops or blame China/Sudan for their massacres, its still all on us and its all America’s fault

Defector01 on April 30, 2007 at 3:37 PM

Darfur is the latest liberal guilt credit offset:

1. name a place you/the U.N. don’t care to do anything about
2. criticise the conservatives
3. do nothing
4. feel good

The day the U.S.A. joins the ICC, it’s over.

P.S. It did such a wonderful job with Milosovich that I’m still in awe…

Entelechy on April 30, 2007 at 3:54 PM

7. Gimme fifty bucks and let me borrow your car for an hour.

jummy on April 30, 2007 at 3:55 PM

First, we need to kick the UN off of our soil and quit paying THAT tab…then we need to tell them to take care of Darfur…speaking of…I don’t even know where the f*ck DARFUR is at…let me guess….Africa? I’ll never forget Sam Kennison:”You know what this is? SAND! You now what it’s going to be a hundred years from now? SAND! NOTHING GROWS HERE! NOTHING’S GOING TO GROW HERE!!!” Let Angelina & Brad adopt ‘em all! Pardon the isolationist in me…but I’m looking out my window at a park with several probably mentally ill homeless people that should be helped before a bunch of people fighting amongst themselves in Africa. Maybe we should send them a big thank you card saying ‘Thanks for f*cking monkeys guys-we gotta lotta people dyin’ from it.’

DCJeff on April 30, 2007 at 4:06 PM

Yea, we really need to join the ICC.

When the ICC was being set up, those pushing for it were asked why it was needed, given that there was already the International Court of Justice. They said that one of the most important things was the need to expand the definition of “war crime” to include “degrading or humiliating treatment.” Asked why that was important, the reply was: so that George Bush could be tried for war crimes.

eeyore on April 30, 2007 at 4:09 PM

P.S. It did such a wonderful job with Milosovich that I’m still in awe…

Entelechy on April 30, 2007 at 3:54 PM

Except Milosovich was right and he was fighting off an invasion of Muslims there.

In other words, we helped spread Islam, Thanks Bill!

Tim Burton on April 30, 2007 at 4:28 PM

The UN won’t do anything about Dafur – there doesn’t seem to be any unspoiled underage boys and girls left for the UN’s ‘nookie for food’ program.

CrazyFool on April 30, 2007 at 4:29 PM

LOL! You are right CrazyFool!

DCJeff on April 30, 2007 at 4:34 PM

P.S. It did such a wonderful job with Milosovich that I’m still in awe…

Entelechy on April 30, 2007 at 3:54 PM

I believe they bored him to death….

ScottG on April 30, 2007 at 4:36 PM

Darfur is the new “free Tibet,” a way for liberals to make themselves feel good about caring about people halfway around the world, and a way to make themselves look good to the cocktail set.

That was supposed to be in quotes in my comment.

januarius on April 30, 2007 at 4:39 PM

I’d give the Democrats about 6 weeks after going into Darfur, before they start talking about Okinawa, horizons we ought to be over and … Ooh! Ooh! We should be in, uh, Zimbabwe.

What a bunch of Gunther Toody’s and, yes, I’m sorry for insulting Officer Toody.

Dusty on April 30, 2007 at 4:45 PM

That makes two ‘ICC’s that are basically death-cults.

Some things just are like that.

RiverCocytus on April 30, 2007 at 4:48 PM

Bill Richardson hasn’t bothered hiding his socialism for years now, and there are still people who think he’s a mainstream politician. Amazing.

Since, as so many have already commented, there is no valid link between Darfur and the thought of our membership in the ICC, one must assume that Darfur is being used simply as a political device to bring “credibility” and PC to concept.

Every elected or appointed politician or judge who actively proposes that America should EVER bow to a foreign judicial system MUST be impeached forthwith.

Freelancer on April 30, 2007 at 4:53 PM

WHAT A RETARD!!!!!

tormod on April 30, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Ahhh… you all don’t see the line of logic…

We join the ICC, and Bush and Cheney are immediatly brought up on charges and convicted…

Becaue we joined under treaty, it would be enforcable in the US…

Bush and Cheney are now impeachable under a High Crime!!!! as the guilty verdict is already in…

Pelosi becomes President, and sends troops to Darfur!!!

Its logical… it works…

Romeo13 on April 30, 2007 at 5:19 PM

Richardson is pandering, the ICC would guarantee that every ICE and Border Agent spends a year in court and then?

I don’t know that Richardson could give a crap about Darfurians other than in some that’s benefit to himself, liberal is as liberal does.

Speakup on April 30, 2007 at 5:48 PM

I don’t know that Richardson could give a crap about Darfurians other than in some that’s benefit to himself, liberal is as liberal does.

Correction: I don’t know that Richardson could give a crap about Darfurians other than in some way that’s a benefit to himself or his handlers AKA the Mexican government.

Liberal is as liberal does.

Speakup on April 30, 2007 at 5:56 PM

Tim Burton on April 30, 2007 at 4:28 PM

Tim B, that is a good article you linked.

However, I disagree with your statement:

Except Milosovich was right and he was fighting off an invasion of Muslims there.

In other words, we helped spread Islam, Thanks Bill!

I agreed, and still do, with Mr. Clinton’s decision to finally do something. I was, and still am, extremely disgusted with the Europeans for not having done a thing about that conflict, in their very own back yard. As usual, they talked, and talked, and waited for the U.S. The lefties have forgotten that Mr. Clinton never even asked the Congress, and that we’re still there.

Milosovich was an animal and died too dignified, due to the ICC’s efficiency.

Fighting extreme islamists, and totalitarians, is different from fighting Muslims. By now that distinction s/b easy to make.

Entelechy on April 30, 2007 at 6:20 PM

Hmm, seems I lost a comment on this thread somewhere. Wonder which word(s) clogged the filter?

Freelancer on April 30, 2007 at 6:45 PM

Darfur is the new “free Tibet,” a way for liberals to make themselves feel good about caring about people halfway around the world, and a way to make themselves look good to the cocktail set. And it’s also a useful way to use sympathy to try to slip destructive Trojan horses past American voters.

Very nice summary.
It’s easy to shut them up. Just ask them, “Okay, so does that mean the United States would get all the Darfur oil profits?”
I have yet to hear one recover their voice for at least ten seconds, as their jaw works back and forth haplessly. The first word croaked out is usually, “Oil?”

naliaka on April 30, 2007 at 9:17 PM