Some VTech students findin’ it hard to stay mad at Cho
posted at 9:16 am on April 27, 2007 by Allahpundit
Aw. Maybe they can give him a cutesy nickname to help ease the feelings of alienation.
I suggest “Cho Cho.”
Cho mercilessly slaughtered 32 people in the worst shooting in modern U.S. history. But there has been surprisingly little outrage directed toward him around campus.
He is memorialized alongside his victims, and students preach forgiveness and talk about him like a troubled family member…
After a student organization placed the stone memorials in a semicircle last week on the main campus lawn, senior Katelynn L. Johnson added a 33rd stone for Cho. Johnson said she told almost no one about the stone because she feared a backlash.
She came forward after someone took it away, because she was outraged by the brief removal of the rock. She says she accepts all “fellow students, faculty and alumni as Hokies” no matter what problems they have…
Johnson said she has received hundreds of messages supporting placement of the stone for Cho. She only got a few negative responses, and only one from the Tech community.
We had the debate over when it’s appropriate for religious (and non-religious) people to forgive a killer last year, after the Amish school murders. So I won’t rehash it, but…
Jeff Highfield, Virginia Tech campus director for Campus Crusade for Christ, said the students he’s been working with are angry and frustrated, but “they’re able to understand that he must have been hurting and confused in some way and made a horrible decision.”
During group prayer, he said Campus Crusade members have not offered prayers for Cho, but have prayed often for his family “because they’re still alive” and dealing with the pain of Cho’s actions.
“It seems very natural for us as Christians,” Highfield said. “It takes different times for different people, but I believe most of our students have forgiven.”
In fairness, plenty of people are angry, per the article. Although whether they’re angry at Cho or the system, man, is a separate question.
Shifting gears, I got an interesting e-mail from reader JA yesterday following up on my post about how Cho’s package to NBC might have been mailed. Because no one at the post office remembers seeing him there, the cops are working off the theory that he might have given it to someone else to mail for him. Maybe not, says JA. Here’s a photo of the envelope for ease of reference followed by his comments:

The postage label (upper right hand) could only have been obtained at the Post Office (as opposed to online postage, or prepaid Express Mail envelopes).
The time of package processing indicated is 9:01 am. No USPS office in the US opens before 9 am [Update: Not true. See below.], but if the facility is like mine, the building is open 24/7 to allow access to PO boxes, and there’s always access to mailing slots, large and small, to drop off prepaid packages and letters.
If this package was processed at 9:01 (which might be a record for a public service clerk at the USPS, but may be routine for someone working in the behind-the-scenes processsing area), Cho would have been waiting with bated breath for the first clerk to open a line — and they didn’t notice a freaky Asian kid with maybe blood-spattered clothes — even the clerk who initialled the package?
Here’s my guess: he filled out the label in the dorm sometime in advance (it’s free and readily available, along with the envelope, at any PO branch, any time), took it to the PO after editing the final QT movie in his dorm at 7:24, taped the $14 bucks to the package and dropped it a mail slot, sometime before 9 am. If you look closely, there’s a vertical strip of the paper label missing at bottom right, which might indicate that there was some tape on the package. He might have done it before, and it might be a common practice; at any rate it’s the only explanation I can think of, other than some postal clerk lying through their teeth.
Of course the USPS wouldn’t want it advertised that they’re in the habit of doing business that way, even in a college town, where things can get pretty abnormal, especially with a lot of foreign students needing so much sensitive cultural accommodation, so the story — at least for public and press consumption — is just that no one remembers him.
I don’t know about that last part. A likelier explanation would be that he taped a large bill to the envelope, maybe a $50 to make absolutely sure it’d be able to cover the cost of the postage, and the rest got pocketed by someone. I’m not sure about the 9 a.m. opening time either; remember, it was tax day so they might have opened earlier to handle the extra volume. The other points are well taken, though, especially re: the blood-spattered clothes. Although if he really was out and about near the post office mail slot in blood-spattered clothes, how did no one notice?
JA goes on to say:
As far as Cho’s derring-do in evading the cops, I don’t believe there’s any evidence they were looking for an Asian male until the first 911 calls came in from Norris when he began shooting. The campus police locked themselves prematurely into the theory of Hilscher’s boyfriend as the “domestic” shooter, based on Hilscher’s girlfriend showing up and telling them that the boyfriend had (gasp!) guns, and had (further gasp!) been to a shooting range recently. As long as Cho kept his cool, he didn’t attract any suspicion, because no one was looking for anyone fitting his description — until the second shootings.
As far as the WaPo reporting that Cho “did not follow Emily Hilscher upstairs,” insert “immediately” before follow — he knew where he was going. Remember his roommate’s story about his obsessive staring at the dorm where Hilscher lived? He’d been living in dorms on that campus for four years, he knew his way around, and though the cops can’t discover a link, that doesn’t mean he didn’t know who she was and what floor and room she lived in. Walter Mitty, meet Psy-Cho.
Re: the derring do, right — the cops most definitely were not looking for an Asian male after the first shooting. They were looking for Hilscher’s boyfriend, Karl Thornhill. But Cho didn’t know that. The reasonable assumption for him would have been that someone had seen him on his way in or out of the dorm, at least well enough to recognize him as an Asian male. The natural thing to do in preparing for the Norris Hall shootings would have been to change clothes and put on a hat and sunglasses so that he matched the presumptive description of the Ambler Johnston shooter as little as possible. But he didn’t. And yes, I know, there’s no trying to reason out the motives of a lunatic. But if the cops’ theory about the AJ shootings being a diversion is correct, then Cho’s lunacy obviously hadn’t completely crippled his ability to reason. In fact, we’ve already got proof of that from the foresight he used in chaining the doors to Norris Hall, which kept the cops at bay for five extra bloody minutes.
As for him stalking Hilscher, good point. I wonder if the reason he was standing outside AJ before she got home on Monday morning was because he’d been tracking her movements and knew that she spent Sunday nights with her boyfriend and returned to campus early the next day. His roommates did say he’d been getting up earlier and earlier in the weeks/months before. Maybe he was out there waiting for her and when he saw her, that was the trigger. Strange, though, that he apparently made no attempt to contact her before that given that he had communicated with his previous stalking victims. Or, at least, the ones we know about.
This will probably be the last VTech post for awhile given that I’m on vacation starting tomorrow, so no need to whine at me in the comments about how “there’s no deciphering madness!” or whatever.
Update: Reader tort_feasor makes a nice catch that I should have made myself — both Blacksburg post offices open at 8:30.
Update: Reader Joel A. offers his own theory:
All post offices near my home and office have automatic postage centers. The lobby is open 24/7 and you can weigh your package, buy postage using a credit or debit card, and drop it in a special APC drop box. I’m not sure, but the postage label looks a lot like the type of postage label that an APC machine prints. Could be that he bought the postage at the APC, dropped it in the box, and a clerk processed it later. In that case, Cho would have had no interaction with a clerk (the APC machines are usually out in the lobby in an area that can not even been seen by the clerks behind the counters).
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I don’t know how anyone could vote for McAuliffe. He just come across as a lying creep. Always has.
KCB on May 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM
the polling is misleading in this case – Cuccinelli’s lead is not that big. Basically, it doesn’t fully account for the likely 90%+ Dem performance by African-American voters. However, the fact that he’s cleared 50% in a survey of likely voters is a very good sign.
Robert_Paulson on May 5, 2013 at 6:39 PM
He has a bigger problem than Romney.
Zero likability.
Romney was actually a good guy but too rich and couldn’t relate to normal humans.
McAulliffe is an a-hole and flaunts it.
tetriskid on May 5, 2013 at 6:39 PM
I guess all those years pimping for Bubba just have not paid off in Virginia.
Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 5, 2013 at 6:39 PM
Republican developing a lead:
If the dem were leading you would see:
AZfederalist on May 5, 2013 at 6:40 PM
Elections are IQ tests these days.
beatcanvas on May 5, 2013 at 6:42 PM
i always thought he would be in politics, but more like Carville. Carville couldn’t get elected dog catcher, but he is a good strategist.
KCB on May 5, 2013 at 6:43 PM
Good
McAuliffe is corrupt beyond description.
darwin on May 5, 2013 at 6:44 PM
If it’s close, Dem fraud will win the day.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 5, 2013 at 6:50 PM
Must be his impressive record as state AG of losing case after case due to his shameless grandstanding and general lack of competence.
righty45 on May 5, 2013 at 6:55 PM
Maybe McAuliffe will say “he can go back to Italy”.
Schadenfreude on May 5, 2013 at 6:56 PM
But I thought CONSERVATIVES CAN’T WIN, so that is why the Republican Party has to be a progressive wannabe party. Huh Karl Rove, I guess you might be wrong again.
BroncosRock on May 5, 2013 at 7:01 PM
Golly, you mean Virginians might not be enthused about guys that abandon their wives while they’re giving birth, or who lecture anesthetists about the need for universal healthcare while they try to do their job?
Whodathunkit!
I admire Cuccinelli, and fully expect to be voting for him in the gubernatorial election. His record of being a man of character who stands on principle should help draw stark contrast with the likes of McAuliffe.
Stoic Patriot on May 5, 2013 at 7:04 PM
The Democratic leadership has really blown it on the gun control issue. If it wasn’t bad enough with the government spending and immigration issues, they have pushed quite a few off their bandwagon with the gun control issue. We are seeing in the MA special election for Senate where Independent voters are leaning Republican 2:1 and there are a lot of lifelong Democrats who are seriously upset over the “progressive” wing of the party taking over on the gun issue.
The Democrats have misread a 3 point win for the Presidency as some sort of massive mandate. They have overreached and now they are going to suffer the backlash.
crosspatch on May 5, 2013 at 7:15 PM
Imagine what this Benedict Arnold would say if Cruz were a leftist.
Schadenfreude on May 5, 2013 at 7:19 PM
On the other hand, watch out.
Schadenfreude on May 5, 2013 at 7:19 PM
Sunday Photo Essay…
The World’s Largest Hotel, Which Has Never Had One Guest: KdF Prora, The Mein Kampf Summer Resort
Resist We Much on May 5, 2013 at 7:23 PM
I saw that earlier. Carville looks like a sniveling weasle, but he is smart.
KCB on May 5, 2013 at 7:28 PM
Kenneth Cuccinelli is a challenge for me. He’s a great pol. He is willing to make waves and be accountable. He reminds me of Rick Perry just smarter and not a lush.
I just wish he hadn’t gone all ultrasound.
Capitalist Hog on May 5, 2013 at 7:41 PM
Wow. Bill Richardson sounds as ethnically-bigoted as you. Thanks for the link.
Capitalist Hog on May 5, 2013 at 7:43 PM
In an off-year election enthusiasm/anger is important. . . and it ain’t going to be on the Democrats’ side.
WannabeAnglican on May 5, 2013 at 7:44 PM
That’s why nobody should count McAuliffe out. I know several reliable GOP voting women who say they’ll never vote for Ken.
This race is going to be tighter than you think. And the Star Scientific / Johnny Williams crap isn’t helping Cuch at all.
BacaDog on May 5, 2013 at 7:52 PM
TOO GOOD TO CHECK !
petefrt on May 5, 2013 at 7:52 PM
Also TM is a dirty, dirty Clinton dog who knows how to sling it with the best. He’s playing tame for now. But I can only imagine the War on Women ads on deck.
Conservative women are a fierce lot these days. Don’t expect them to go easy on Kuch.
Capitalist Hog on May 5, 2013 at 8:00 PM
The ultrasound law was an idiotic idea, but it really wasn’t all that big of a deal. Virginia abortion clinics including Planned Parenthood admitted that these ultrasounds were done anyways as procedure to date the pregnancy before an abortion to make sure that laws are being followed and the woman isn’t being put in unnecessary danger. Considering how deregulated the abortion industry has been found, any laws that help make sure that abortion providers are sticking to procedure isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
melle1228 on May 5, 2013 at 8:06 PM
Cruz isn’t Hispanic enough??? Which sounds more Hispanic: Richardson or Cruz?
Evidently, women, Hispanics, blacks and gays are not women, Hispanics, blacks and gays unless they are 100% Leftists. They are like the Mischling Jews in Nazi Germany.
The Left: Back to ‘one-drop rule’ and ‘he’s not X enough because he isn’t down with the struggle.’
Resist We Much on May 5, 2013 at 8:08 PM
Right here is the proof that the Nazis were indeed socialists.
Gelsomina on May 5, 2013 at 8:14 PM
The media isn’t involved yet.
Then, Bill Clinton will bring the thunder to VA. The thing is McAuliffe’s to lose, basically.
Moesart on May 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM
Yeah, slimy doesn’t play well in VA. This really is Cooch’s race to lose. If he doesn’t scare away the suburban upper middle class vote, he’ll be just fine.
Punchenko on May 5, 2013 at 8:44 PM
Add in the felons, illegal aliens, dead, multiple voters, welfare queens, government workers and the ever present missing military as well as a few truckloads of missing ballots and you have a 5 point win for this vermin communist.
acyl72 on May 5, 2013 at 8:45 PM
Who did Mexico take the land from?
JellyToast on May 5, 2013 at 8:58 PM
The Dems won’t be motivated to cheat for McAuliffe like they did for Obama.
Six months to go and much drama developing, but this is promising.
22044 on May 5, 2013 at 8:59 PM
You clown. How can an idiotic idea be a small deal? Are you willing to accept that standard? It sounds like your spouse has.
It was idiotic precisely because Kuch has no business telling women what to shove up their cooters. It’s that simple. That you minimize this kinda confirms something I’ve thought about you.
You are fit to be pitied.
Capitalist Hog on May 5, 2013 at 9:10 PM
…starting from…the birthing room?
KOOLAID2 on May 5, 2013 at 9:16 PM
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I know you have a hard on for me, but you seem to have reading comprehension as well. I said the bill was idiotic, but it wasn’t forcing anything, because the clinics did the damn ultrasound as a standard procedure anyways because they needed to date the pregnancy. SO even if there wasn’t a law, a doctor would have to stick something up someones “cooter” in order to perform an even more invasive procedure as a matter of medical expediency.
I don’t know if you have been paying attention to current events, but one of the issues with the Gosnell trial was the “dating” of the pregnancy. Dating of pregnancy is a must for an abortion. How you perform the abortion is dependent on the date of the pregnancy. And based on the problem with abortion and the fact that the clinics have not been inspected or even regulated, any procedure that makes the woman safer is a boon.
melle1228 on May 5, 2013 at 9:28 PM
It’s time for HIllary to show us all how popular she is and go in there and pull her flack over the finish line.
ddrintn on May 5, 2013 at 9:34 PM
Let’s pray he doesn’t say “macaca” or use any word the Post can blow up. Virginia is beginning to scare me, they just keep on electing Democrats when common sense says they aren’t worthy of the votes.
bflat879 on May 5, 2013 at 9:48 PM
Your hyperbolic faux outrage is duly noted. The little baby girls destined for dismemberment desperately wish you had as much concern for items being shoved into their bodies. A little ultrasound is a small price to pay for a free pass to commit murder.
xblade on May 5, 2013 at 10:04 PM
To call you and obtuse fool w/b redundant.
Schadenfreude on May 5, 2013 at 11:55 PM
This is the most liberal position you could possibly take on any issue. You may as well say “it’s for the children.” I love it when you phonies get caught lying about (or not even understanding) your beliefs.
I actually feel bad for you being so stupid. You don’t even know what you believe. Thank you for the laughs you twit.
You sap. You’re an evangelical who believes that your God trumps my citizenship. You’re not conservative. You’re evangelical. You impose your beliefs on any person or group who doesn’t live by your staid, phony standard.
Capitalist Hog on May 6, 2013 at 12:53 AM
Oh look, another citizen who puts their religion before citizens’ rights.
Capitalist Hog on May 6, 2013 at 12:59 AM
Religion? Maybe some of us just put the right to life of the unborn before the convenience of the mother.
Othniel on May 6, 2013 at 1:29 AM
Stole my post…
Wild horses couldn’t drag Hillary into Virginia before the election…
Bubba, on the other hand, will be there for the photo ops and self-legacy building…
Khun Joe on May 6, 2013 at 1:38 AM
I respect that as long as you’re willing to admit that religion is the backbone of your politics. (I bet you think pot should remained criminalized too.) You have no sense of your rights because your religious code disallows personal-freedom.
Like I said I think KC is a pol to watch. He knows his boundaries and how to slowly stretch them to move his margins and expand his platform. He just caught too many Tea Party vapors last election-cycle.
Republican women don’t want a $5 footlong shoved up inside of them in order to qualify for a medical procedure. The redundant-procedure is meant to humiliate; it is not necessary.
Protecting unborns’ rights to life is the most important mission. But if you’re not willing to consider their future-rights now then why fight to keep them alive? That is a hard and challenging truth.
As a Christian I expect you to choose your religious code over your civic duty. Luckily civic-duty comports with Christian duty.
Capitalist Hog on May 6, 2013 at 2:43 AM
Hog, this reactionary freak out of yours is really sad.
Edith Stifle on May 6, 2013 at 2:46 AM
who are all these Republican women who are flocking to the abortion clinic? And why are you assuming that to be pro-life means you are religious? There are agnostic and atheists on this site who are pro-life. You know this.
Edith Stifle on May 6, 2013 at 2:48 AM
Capitalist Hog on May 6, 2013 at 12:59 AM
Wow..you’re a sad ignorant little phuck. Ron Paul groupie?
HumpBot Salvation on May 6, 2013 at 8:09 AM
You are such a dumb a$$.. I am agnostic. Maybe instead of attacking someone; you could come up with an actual counter-argument.
melle1228 on May 6, 2013 at 8:42 AM
You are really the dumb phuck. The procedure is not redundant. Go out an actually learn something about abortion. In order for an abortion to be perform correctly, the pregnancy must be dated.
Abortion advocates in Virginia have come under heavy criticism for equating the ultrasound legislation there would allow women to see before an abortion to rape. Yet, while abortion backers say having an ultrasound is like getting raped, a 2003 study shows 99% of Planned Parenthood abortion facilities do them beforehand.
Published in the medical journal Contraception in 2003, researchers with the pro-abortion group IPAS, the University of North Carolina, a consortium of Planned Parenthood clinics and the National Abortion Federation surveyed staff at 113 Planned Parenthood affiliates and independent abortion businesses between February and April 2000.
“Vaginal ultrasound was always performed before the early surgical abortion at 59 (83%) sites, under certain conditions at 11 (16%) sites, and never at one (1%) site,” the study noted. “Vaginal ultrasound was always performed after early surgical abortion at 18 (26%) sites, under certain conditions at 46 (66%) sites, and never at 6 (8%) sites
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/22/planned-parenthood-rape-myth-debunked-99-do-ultrasounds/
melle1228 on May 6, 2013 at 8:48 AM
I don’t know why anyone argues with you. You insult everyone but have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The “redundant” procedure is almost ALWAYS performed anyways idiot. It is used to date the pregnancy. Go learn something about abortion and then come back with an actual coherent counter-argument.
Published in the medical journal Contraception in 2003, researchers with the pro-abortion group IPAS, the University of North Carolina, a consortium of Planned Parenthood clinics and the National Abortion Federation surveyed staff at 113 Planned Parenthood affiliates and independent abortion businesses between February and April 2000.
V (edited for hot air filter) ultrasound was always performed before the early surgical abortion at 59 (83%) sites, under certain conditions at 11 (16%) sites, and never at one (1%) site,” the study noted. “V (edited for Hot air filter) ultrasound was always performed after early surgical abortion at 18 (26%) sites, under certain conditions at 46 (66%) sites, and never at 6 (8%) sites
melle1228 on May 6, 2013 at 8:57 AM
Capitalist Hog on May 6, 2013 at 2:43 AM
BTW, the Virginia law never specified what type of ultrasound must be used. Obviously “V” ultrasound is used earlier on in the pregnancy,because one done outside wouldn’t pick up as much. And 22 states already have ultrasound pre-abortion laws on the books for the very reason I stated- to make sure that the pregnancy is dated correctly.
The only difference in the Virginia law is the stipulation that the mother can view the baby. If abortion is “prochoice”- I see no reason making it an educated choice for the mother. And if the “fetus” is a clump of cells than seeing it on the ultrasound shouldn’t effect the mother at all. And the procedure was already being done standard at Planned Parenthood in Virginia..
As far as the procedure being done as a form of humiliation, you are really off your rocker. Those types of ultrasounds are done regular for women who want to keep their babies. They are less intrusive than a speculum, and certainly less intrusive than a medical abortion.
You really need to stop being so reactionary and actually learn something..
melle1228 on May 6, 2013 at 9:25 AM
Watch what happens when you are NOT a RINO.
He raised taxes to fix roads and y’all turn on him.
You guys have no idea the price the present Gov. Of Virginia will pay for the conservative positions he has taken.
He may not be Ronald Reagan but he ain’t Mitt or McCain, either.
IlikedAUH2O on May 6, 2013 at 10:55 AM
The rest of this thread is so weird I don’t want to contribute and make it worse.
You think and write so well you should be a pro. If newsrooms ever have affirmative action to get some smart conservatives in, it might be a real improvement for the nation.
Holding my breath…
IlikedAUH2O on May 6, 2013 at 11:00 AM
I appreciate the compliment, but I should really take more time to edit my posts. I type very quickly and very inaccurately, and due to an auto-immune disease; I don’t see well at times. Also, I tend to get heated quickly about things which effects my writings. :)
I truly dislike when someone who professes to be conservative or Republican repeats leftist talking points and doesn’t know what they are talking about. It takes two minutes to do some research to find out that the media lies about this stuff. Again, thank you for the compliment.
melle1228 on May 6, 2013 at 11:13 AM
I used to think low information voters were all Democrats until this thread. First of all Cuccinelli is Attorney General not Governor. He does not introduce, produce, or otherwise create any law. The “ultrasound” law was McDonnell’s. In fact, Cuccinelli raised constitutional questions about this law. So how the hell is this in anyway, shape, or form Cuccinelli’s law??? For the love of Pete, before you vote in Virginia, please read some legitimate news sources.
jmell7 on May 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM
You’re right. Cuccinelli didn’t take flack for the ultrasound law. He took flack on the fact that he refused to let existing abortion clinics be grandfathered in to new regulation passed “women’s health clinics.”
melle1228 on May 6, 2013 at 12:58 PM
jmell7 on May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM
Actually Cuccinelli backed the failed bill to ease the ultrasound rule because of constitutional questions. http://css.wpdigital.net/local/va-politics/cuccinelli-backed-failed-bill-to-ease-ultrasound-rule/2013/01/28/fa47f5b8-698f-11e2-ada3-d86a4806d5ee_story_1.html
jmell7 on May 6, 2013 at 1:26 PM