Heart-ache: Utah party leader blames Satan for illegal immigration

posted at 7:25 pm on April 27, 2007 by Allahpundit

In a sense, this is the flip side of stories that bubble up occasionally about some political activist apologizing for terrorism or spouting Trutherisms, where you know instantly, the moment you see the headline, which side of the aisle the activist is on.

Alas, here too, my friends.

A Utah County Republican delegate may not be catching hell for calling illegal immigration a satanic plot, but he isn’t gaining any converts, either.

Utah County GOP Chairwoman Marian Monnahan says District 65 Chairman Don Larsen’s resolution – asserting that illegal immigration is the devil’s plan to destroy the nation by “stealth invasion” – “in no way” is endorsed by the Republican Party.

“It’s just free speech,” Monnahan said Thursday. “It’s Don’s right to do that.”

“In order for Satan to establish his ‘New World Order’ and destroy the freedom of all people as predicted in the Scriptures, he must first destroy the U.S.,” his resolution states. “The mostly quiet and unspectacular invasion of illegal immigrants does not focus the attention of the nations the way open warfare does, but is all the more insidious for its stealth and innocuousness.”

Exit question one: Is Satan a big theme in Utah politics? Help me out, Jazz fans. Exit question two: If illegal immigration is caused by Satan, it’ll take something much grander than a politician to stop it, no?

It’ll take a hero.

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For all you Christians and non believers as well
Friday night, April 27th, at 7pm, 9pm and midnight eastern on CNN Headline News will show a special on the Middle East and Bible prophecy with Tim LaHaye, Jerry Jenkins and Joel Rosenberg.
If you want to know what time it is in Bible time. IMHO
Mat 16:2
He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, [It will be] fair weather: for the sky is red.
Mat 16:3
And in the morning, [It will be] foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O [ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not [discern] the signs of the times?

abinitioadinfinitum on April 27, 2007 at 7:32 PM

If Satan is directing the immigrants then one can only hope that suit of armor has a protection from evil enchantment on it.

Resolute on April 27, 2007 at 7:34 PM

Could it be…SATAN?

BTW, I love that Tanc pic Allah, always gets a laugh from me.

This is asinine, Satan? Really? *REALLY?*

God, some people are just ridiculous, quit being so damned ridiculous. They’re a bunch of poor people who are desperate, I’m frustrated about the out of control illegal immigration too, but c’mon, don’t be an ass.

Bad Candy on April 27, 2007 at 7:35 PM

No. I don’t think I’ve ever heard Satan being mentioned in Utah politics.

As religious as we Mormons are, the mix of religious and political rhetoric is minimal.

Free Constitution on April 27, 2007 at 7:38 PM

I don’t think I’ve ever heard Satan being mentioned in Utah politics.

Eh, until recently however.

Free Constitution on April 27, 2007 at 7:41 PM

When it comes to mixing politics with religion,
the people of Utah are rank amateurs compared to
Pope Innocent III who in 1198 AD coined the phrase:

Kill them all, let God sort them out.

CyberCipher on April 27, 2007 at 7:46 PM

AP just needed a reason to post that picture again. I missed it too. Just not enougn Tanc/NAU news these days. Part of the conspiracy, I’m sure.

lorien1973 on April 27, 2007 at 7:55 PM

Heart-ache: Utah party leader blames Satan for illegal immigration

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Well that really puts the whole political debate into some sort of reasonable perspective, doesn’t it?

billy on April 27, 2007 at 7:59 PM

Satan is not illegal immigration. Satan is Intel and Microsoft and high-speed-internet connections. Just ask my wife, God knows how many times she has told me she is going to beat the Devil outta me if I don’t turn that thing off.

Limerick on April 27, 2007 at 7:59 PM

It’ll take a hero.

Considering the unholy alliance that supports, aids and abets the invasion, that could well be true.

Speakup on April 27, 2007 at 8:00 PM

Diablo, Utah?

I think I bought a Fanta passing through there in 1992.

Devilishly good.

But the landscaping wasn’t very impressive.

Maybe that’s changed since the demonic infiltration of gardeners and mulchers and leaf-blowers.

The Border Problem is fall too serious to let this level of loopy “The Devil Made Me Do It!” discourse divert it.

Get thee behind me, schnook!

profitsbeard on April 27, 2007 at 8:04 PM

When it comes to mixing politics with religion,
the people of Utah are rank amateurs compared to
Pope Innocent III who in 1198 AD coined the phrase:

Kill them all, let God sort them out.

Actually, Innocent III did not say that. Arnold Amalric, the papal legate who led the Albigensian Crusades before Simon de Montfort took over, said “Kill them all, God will know His own,” when asked at the siege of Beziers.

Matt Helm on April 27, 2007 at 8:16 PM

Shaitan is not what drives the hordes of wretched fools across our borders in defiance of our laws.

Shaitan is too busy being hard at work in the empty souls of the traitors in DC who are enabling the hordes by selling out their own country in exchange for cheap slave labor and votes.

And in the souls of the ridiculous fools who think it’s all a big joke, snickering inanely while their nation burns.

Misha I on April 27, 2007 at 8:24 PM

Actually, Innocent III did not say that. Arnold Amalric, the papal legate who led the Albigensian Crusades before Simon de Montfort took over, said “Kill them all, God will know His own,” when asked at the siege of Beziers.

Matt Helm on April 27, 2007 at 8:16 PM

Thank you for correcting me.
A semi-relevent link can be found here: Arnaud-Amaury

CyberCipher on April 27, 2007 at 8:45 PM

Sin is the root of all things evil, bad, illegal, and/or wrong. Satan is merely the deliverer of the consequences.

Illegal immigrants are indeed illegal, but they’re no more sinful than any of the rest of us.

Lawrence on April 27, 2007 at 8:54 PM

Illegal immigrants are indeed illegal, but they’re no more sinful than any of the rest of us.

Lawrence on April 27, 2007 at 8:54 PM

With respect, Lawrence…. I beg to disagree, they have a plan, pushed on by their own……… This is an all out invasion, with a plan and purpose, and the well being of the United States of Amercia, is not the purpose, I would call that evil.

PinkyBigglesworth on April 27, 2007 at 9:15 PM

The illegals are very organized here in the states. The numbers are stagering when compared to any thing seen in recent years. Not to mention the ability to mobilize on short notice. The network that is overseeing that movement should be exposed before they are carrying more than just a flag.

sonnyspats1 on April 27, 2007 at 9:41 PM

sonnyspats1 on April 27, 2007 at 9:41 PM

Agreed, I suggest everyone watch what happens on May 01, 2007………

PinkyBigglesworth on April 27, 2007 at 9:48 PM

Make fun of Fundamentalists… Let it slide… Make fun of Fundamentalists… Let it slide…

The conundrum of Atheists, akin to fishing or cutting bait. I’m cutting bait. I’ve fished enough for one week.

Krydor on April 27, 2007 at 10:05 PM

With respect, Lawrence…. I beg to disagree, they have a plan, pushed on by their own……… This is an all out invasion, with a plan and purpose, and the well being of the United States of Amercia, is not the purpose, I would call that evil.

PinkyBigglesworth on April 27, 2007 at 9:15 PM

I agree with you that this is an all out invasion.

I’m just pointing out that when reflecting on sin, in Biblical terms, we are all equally sinful. And Satan isn’t the cause of sin, but he is the tempter and when we decide to fall to those temptations he delivers the consequences.

In the end, this “invasion” is just as much our fault for not enforcing our border laws as it is their fault for breaking our immigrantion laws.

Lawrence on April 27, 2007 at 10:26 PM

In the end, this “invasion” is just as much our fault for not enforcing our border laws as it is their fault for breaking our immigrantion laws.

Lawrence on April 27, 2007 at 10:26 PM

Agreed, thanks…. enough blame to go around. Sometimes I feel like a witness to a crime, and there is a Police Officer in front of me, and I am screaming for him to enforce the law, and he gives me a ticket for raising my voice……

PinkyBigglesworth on April 27, 2007 at 10:57 PM

Well, basically it’s simple. The assumpion is: Satan is battling against God. Satan is decribed as “The Prince of the Earth.” So, he’s active on the planet. Characteristics of Satan are lying, hate, hatred of women. Add more lying. “Father of lies.” Death follows him.
The United States as a nation has been exceptionally useful in stopping at least two massive world-wide onslaughts of fascism and totalitarianism, which are not at all friendly to truth, life and respecting the human spirit. America as a nation is on the frontlines even now against a new threat of fascism, even more viral and violent than the old ones. ALl other countries have been reduced to small contributers, or spectators (cheering or jeering).
It’s not a big theological stretch to deduce that America has to be weakened in order that hate and death can advance.
SInce the press won’t tell the people what really is going on, the population has become more unsure. If what is being mass-produced in the MSM worldwide isn’t deceptive, then what is?
Unchecked illegal immigration brings in people who start by breaking laws. Their actions diminish the structure of laws that this country depends on for the very high level of human cooperation that has made this country such a success. Just look at how other countries have dealt with unchecked illegal immigration – it ain’t pretty.
So, what the guy was saying is that the effects of unchecked immigation are so negative overall that it will only serve in the long term to wound the country, not build it. Therefore, the only person who would consider a weaking of America would be an enemy of freedom and human dignity. Satan does fit the bill.

naliaka on April 27, 2007 at 11:01 PM

naliaka on April 27, 2007 at 11:01 PM

Agreed 100% – But knowing it to be true, vs. proclaiming it before a largely unbelieving public are two very different things. The latter showing a complete lack of understanding of how to treat such issues in the public arena. Larsen would do better to STFU and work through the usual channels, including hitting his knees in prayer.

For all you Christians and non believers as well
Friday night, April 27th, at 7pm, 9pm and midnight eastern on CNN Headline News will show a special on the Middle East and Bible prophecy with Tim LaHaye, Jerry Jenkins and Joel Rosenberg.

abinitioadinfinitum on April 27, 2007 at 7:32 PM

A rehash of the Left Behind series, which is riddled with doctrinal inaccuracies and speculation presented as fact?

No thanks.

infidel4life on April 27, 2007 at 11:16 PM

Bible prophecy deniers have a basic problem. The prophecies end up coming true. Talk about inconvenient truth.

Mojave Mark on April 28, 2007 at 1:22 AM

Here in Utah you here about “the Adversary” a lot and how he is behind things like pornography. But this is the first time I have heard an LDS politician say in public that the devil is behind illegal immigration. David Horowitz thinks that Mormons are actually too soft on the subject, and I think Tancredo said much the same thing about Rep. Chris Cannon.

WasatchMan on April 28, 2007 at 1:26 AM

Bible prophecy deniers have a basic problem. The prophecies end up coming true. Talk about inconvenient truth.

Mojave Mark on April 28, 2007 at 1:22 AM

I’m not certain that is directed at me, but if it is, cite one prophecy I am denying. If not, disregard this post.

infidel4life on April 28, 2007 at 1:38 AM

I wonder how she feels about this….

http://www.btfh.net/shoot/misc/bp-wastes-tonk.wmv

EricPWJohnson on April 28, 2007 at 2:52 AM

I blame the government. The dems and GOP are both spineless cowards. Oh well. What can you do?

shackler on April 28, 2007 at 3:32 AM

“Bible prophecy deniers have a basic problem” Yeah we do. We have yet to see a prohphecy that has actually happened the way it was described. Sure, like an astrologist you can make vague suggestions and say it has happened based on a very loose interpretation of the event, but come on, prophecy coming true, hasn’t happened. Let’s use our brains when talking about these subjects, not our hearts. It will just get you in trouble.

rayvet on April 28, 2007 at 9:28 AM

The latter showing a complete lack of understanding of how to treat such issues in the public arena. Larsen would do better to STFU and work through the usual channels, including hitting his knees in prayer.

infidel4life on April 27, 2007 at 11:16 PM

Thanks. Your point is practical, because instantly, even on this thread, the debate jumped into nonsensical claims that Mexicans are or are not sinners, which wasn’t the point at all.
So commenting generally now about the subject, to discuss further along the lines of the problem you’ve noted, I don’t even who the guy is, never heard of him, but it was easy to know what he was referring to, using the background of theology that he assumed was understood. And probably, his usual audience understood him quite well, but the media is on the prowl…
With the media looking to twist every comment out of proportion it is tough to speak even to a group who understands how you speak, versus another group who doesn’t have the background. It’s blatently unfair because the MSM NEVER broadcasts the far worse, truly nasty and condescending statements and speeches of the Left and their politicians, while blasting comments out of context in order to make non-Lefties, especially persons of religious faith appear “threatening,” “intolerant” or just plain “stoooopid.”
The Left politicians say all sorts of foot-in-mouth things, but the Media Machine, with all the resources available to it, will be actively engaged to polish it up or spin it into something more palatable. Their orators don’t have to worry about anything, they have the services of editors and publishers and producers and reporters who will aid them. In contrast, the conservatives and Republicans ALL have to CONSTANTLY perform at a level of savvy, rhetorical brilliance, and perfection that most people don’t have. Their oratorial gaffes, and stumbles, which should be simply ignored, are instantly pounced on and magnified. Their points are blurred and twisted before being reported to the public.
The only relief for the Republicans and conservatives is the internet – to get out to the public the original comments without the MSM middle man filter, so citizens can read for themselves what was said, plus more in-depth commentary that brings solid background to the issues being discussed.
The Left is seeking to shut that window down as well, so conservatives and all free thinkers must be prepared to fight to preserve free speech over the Web AND work to chip away at the MSM monopoly.
With the education system Pre-K thru PhD, and MSM working in cahoots to promote the Left, and denigrate anything conservative or Republican, their influence is astoundingly pervasive in society. It’s a huge behemouth to confront, rather like the Spartans against the Persians. Choose the right ground though …

naliaka on April 28, 2007 at 9:55 AM

rayvet; Okay, off the top of my head it was prophesied:

Where Messiah would be born
When Messiah would be born
To what family Messiah would be born into
Where he would live his early life
Where he would live his growing up years
That he would be hated
That he would be beaten and given stripes
That his hands and feet would be pierced
That none of his bones would be broken
That he would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver (the price of a slave)
That his clothing would be gambled for at his death
That he would raise from the dead after 3 days

…and that’s just off the top of my head. There have been numerous egg-heads that set out to disprove Christianity and then end up becoming Christians. One of the more current ones is Lee Strobel’s The Case For Christ. One must bear in mind that Lee is both a lawyer and has a degree in journalism. He was aghast that his wife had become a Christian so he set out to set her straight. His book is just one of many out there on the topic.

Mojave Mark on April 28, 2007 at 12:39 PM

Just a hunch…soon Satan will be keeping people from donating to his re-election campaign.

ronsfi on April 28, 2007 at 1:37 PM

A rehash of the Left Behind series, which is riddled with doctrinal inaccuracies and speculation presented as fact?

Ahh, the usual tripe. Tell me, where in the Left Behind books are they proclaimed non-fiction? I’ll give you the temporary benefit of the doubt and suppose that you actually read any of them (though your colors show, and I have a hard time believing so), so you couldn’t possibly believe that La Haye/Jenkins wrote them as factual.

Freelancer on April 28, 2007 at 2:42 PM

“The mostly quiet and unspectacular invasion of illegal immigrants does not focus the attention of the nations the way open warfare does, but is all the more insidious for its stealth and innocuousness.”

I don’t know anything about the satan thing, but this part of his quote makes a lot of sense to me. I’ve been feeling lately with some of the stuff in the news, that an illegal alien has more rights and privileges than I do. (and I was born here!)

4shoes on April 28, 2007 at 10:20 PM

oops, haven’t gotten the hang of the quote thing works yet!

4shoes on April 28, 2007 at 10:21 PM