America finishes strong second in French-haters derby

posted at 6:33 pm on April 27, 2007 by Allahpundit

Always a bummer to take silver instead of gold, but find comfort in this: the team that deserved to win won.

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Coming up next: A recent poll found that Democrats hate America, more than the terrorists do.

amerpundit on April 27, 2007 at 6:37 PM

Quick poll: Who gives a rat’s arse what the french think of us?

Mazztek on April 27, 2007 at 6:38 PM

I don’t wanna be France’s #2. That’s kinda gross. I hear they don’t even use 1 square of toilet paper.

lorien1973 on April 27, 2007 at 6:42 PM

lorien1973 on April 27, 2007 at 6:42 PM

Thanks…I was just about to eat dinner. LOL.

amerpundit on April 27, 2007 at 6:44 PM

Hey it sucks to be French. Now even the French admit it.

William Amos on April 27, 2007 at 6:46 PM

They force-feed geese, whaddaya expect.

profitsbeard on April 27, 2007 at 6:48 PM

That’s kind of fascinating. Explains quite a bit about the French. They’ve taken self-loathing to a new level.

I can’t believe we beat the British: after all, they’ve been killing the French since long before Agincourt.

And the Germans positively love them … other than the whole invasion-once-in-a-while thang. Then again, I guess you’d feel warm and fuzzy for any country that let you invade that easily, over and over.

Really interesting.

Professor Blather on April 27, 2007 at 6:54 PM

Maybe they skewed the sample, like they do here. Just like they tend to poll more democrats than republicans in this country, perhaps they questioned a greater percentage of people from their self-loathing political party than from their patriotic party.

Mallard T. Drake on April 27, 2007 at 7:00 PM

That’s kind of fascinating. Explains quite a bit about the French. They’ve taken self-loathing to a new level.

I can’t believe we beat the British: after all, they’ve been killing the French since long before Agincourt.

And the Germans positively love them … other than the whole invasion-once-in-a-while thang. Then again, I guess you’d feel warm and fuzzy for any country that let you invade that easily, over and over.

Really interesting.

Professor Blather on April 27, 2007 at 6:54 PM

I can’t believe it either. Then again, I wonder how many people know the proper salute to the French (back-hand “V” with the index and middle fingers), much less its significance (English archers used to show that to the French to demonstrate those two fingers would soon be drawing back the longbows that would kill them).

As for the Germans, all I have to say is…

Germany – kicking French butt since inception.

steveegg on April 27, 2007 at 7:01 PM

Given what a mess France has become since WWII, how can you not be down on yourself?

They performed miserably during the Nazi invasion, they had the shame of the Vichy and some aiding the Third Reich in shipping Jews off to the camps. Their empire collapsed, they were caught with their hands in Saddam’s cookie jar.

Their economy is stagnant, the people have had socialism beaten into their heads, youth want jobs and opportunity, but won’t compromise on socialism so there is no improvement and no room for ambition. They have a large migrant population that isn’t assimilating and is outright hostlie to French culture. I’d be down too.

I think I just depressed myself. Ugh, poor bastards, I really do hope for the best for the French, but I’m not optimistic.

Bad Candy on April 27, 2007 at 7:06 PM

Please exuse my interuption into this Post
For all you Christians and non beleivers as well
Friday night, April 27th, at 7pm, 9pm and midnight eastern on CNN Headline News will show a special on the Middle East and Bible prophecy with Tim LaHaye, Jerry Jenkins and Joel Rosenberg.
If you want to know what time it is in Bible time. IMHO
Mat 16:2
He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, [It will be] fair weather: for the sky is red.
Mat 16:3
And in the morning, [It will be] foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O [ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not [discern] the signs of the times?

abinitioadinfinitum on April 27, 2007 at 7:08 PM

Looking around at the unemployment, burning cars, no go zones, 15% of the police force injured in a year, growing Muslim population and French apologies to the Muslims after they riot, I can see why the French hate themselves. Trying to put a smiley face on yet another successful invasion of France has to be difficult.

When getting my hair cut, I found out that my stylist’s boyfriend was from France. We talked about France’s Muslim problems and she knew EXACTLY what was going on.

On a different note, while going to the Beer Store, they had a large cut out of a blond cheerleader in her outfit. I thought of Michelle. Pass that on to her.

Canadian Infidel on April 27, 2007 at 7:08 PM

At least they realize something is wrong

Resolute on April 27, 2007 at 7:17 PM

Tim LaHaye, Jerry Jenkins

Are these those Left Behind guys?

Doesn’t LaHaye think that the end times are a comin’, like soon?

And why the hell would I take two writers of goofball fictions’ words? Sorry to be a buzzkill, but I can’t stand this Rapture crap. It’ll happen when it wants to happen, if its gonna bother happening. I’m not gonna bother getting riled.

Bad Candy on April 27, 2007 at 7:27 PM

Which language to you think “ennui” comes from?

Jim Treacher on April 27, 2007 at 7:28 PM

I can’t even get into a discussion about that place “France”. Next to Canada it has become the most pathetic waste of a country, irrelevant and absolutely deplorable. They deserve a Socialist President, keep that country sliding down the spiral. Unfortunately it will become an Islamic state and we will eventually have to deal with them.

americaslaststand on April 27, 2007 at 7:31 PM

Bad Candy on April 27, 2007 at 7:27 PM

Please, just give it a listen. For your sake
God Bless You

abinitioadinfinitum on April 27, 2007 at 7:36 PM

I feek it to be a shame that the French people are just letting thier country go down the toliet. Thier socialistc programs don’t work and niether do most of thier mislim population. The businesses that are there are under terrific pressure to hire non skilled people who actually don’t work or are little qualified. Try to make changes and they riot. How long you think beforee total anarchy?? Give it maybe 5 more years, max.

bones47 on April 27, 2007 at 7:45 PM

Pepe’ LaPeu……….we have to at least thank France for Pepe!

Limerick on April 27, 2007 at 7:47 PM

The French have to hate themselves the most or they just wouldn’t be French. Kind of like David Gregory, but even worse.

I really thought the Brits right over on the other side of the Channel hated them the most. The hatred they talk about the French is almost too much to take, and I can’t stand the French.

I like when Monty Python would look across the Channel with a telescope and the French were all in horizontal striped shirts, berets and mustaches. “‘Ello, ‘Ello”

Hening on April 27, 2007 at 7:53 PM

…perhaps they questioned a greater percentage of people from their self-loathing political party than from their patriotic party.

Mallard T. Drake on April 27, 2007 at 7:00 PM

Heh, Mallard, patriotism is just for us “the unsophisticated”, not for those chic French, or any erudite Europeans…it’s too coloquial.

Which language to you think “ennui” comes from?

Jim Treacher on April 27, 2007 at 7:28 PM

Vulgar Latin –> Old French –> to us in 1275 (as annoy) – to them it still means listlessness and dissatisfaction. That’s why theri GDP is 50% from the government, something to be really proud of, for the lazy and supérieur.

Entelechy on April 27, 2007 at 7:55 PM

Is David Gregory French? I think so.

jaleach on April 27, 2007 at 8:12 PM

Thier socialistc programs don’t work and niether do most of thier mislim population.

True, but let’s be careful here. We have several huge blocks of people here that don’t work. It’s not just a French problem.

jaleach on April 27, 2007 at 8:14 PM

Vulgar Latin –> Old French –> to us in 1275 (as annoy) – to them it still means listlessness and dissatisfaction. That’s why theri GDP is 50% from the government, something to be really proud of, for the lazy and supérieur.

Entelechy on April 27, 2007 at 7:55

PM

Nerd alert, kedves. As for the French, is their aircraft carrier still there off the Paki coast, launching FRENCH areo-planes over Afghanistan?

Janos Hunyadi on April 27, 2007 at 8:39 PM

I can’t even get into a discussion about that place “France”. Next to Canada it has become the most pathetic waste of a country, irrelevant and absolutely deplorable. They deserve a Socialist President, keep that country sliding down the spiral. Unfortunately it will become an Islamic state and we will eventually have to deal with them.

americaslaststand

You need to look around if you think Canada is first on the list in terms of being a waste of a country. Our conservatives are in power (yes, with a minority government). Our troops have taken the lead in Afghanistan and are actively going after the Taliban in combat, not peacekeeping missions. Our Prime Minister stands by Israel publicly and their right to defend themselves.

Yes, Canada is still far to the left. Economically, our budgets have been balanced for the last 9 years or so and our GDP to debt ratio is under 30% since our debt has been paid down to under $250 Billion.

As to our Muslim situation, they are still a small percentage of the population and not as vocal as those in Europe. We’ve had one terror ring arrested. In terms of what the rest of Europe is undergoing, I believe that Canada is naive in terms of their understanding of the Muslim threat. But if you think we are ANYWHERE near being European, you really need to look again.

Canadian Infidel on April 27, 2007 at 8:50 PM

I gotta say…I laughed for over a minute when I saw that screencap of Chirac at the mic…but lo, even that wasn’t as hilarious as the first paragraph of that article!

Oh, I needed that!

Truth IS stranger than fiction…

JetBoy on April 27, 2007 at 8:51 PM

Oh my gosh! I haven’t been this shocked in a loooong time.

“I think America is ready for a multilingual president,” Clinton said during a campaign stop at a charter school in Greenville, S.C

Jim Treacher, we need to research the origin of “multilingual”. What a dumb woman! After the dems made fun of this president’s accent.

But to consider a variety of local accents “multilingual”. I’m on the floor. Wait until she ‘speaks’ Arabic and Spanish! And maybe French…Yiddish, who knows? This chick is crazy or really not smart at all. Or she thinks we’re all idiots, or the idiots think she’s that smart…

Entelechy on April 27, 2007 at 8:56 PM

… and their wine sucks too…

Zorro on April 27, 2007 at 9:01 PM

The Associate Press are complete morons:

Clinton is a linguistic polyglot—a Chicago native turned New York resident who works in Washington and spent two decades living in Arkansas when her husband, Bill Clinton, was governor.

Entelechy on April 27, 2007 at 9:03 PM

Entelechy links:

“I think America is ready for a multilingual president,” Clinton said during a campaign stop at a charter school in Greenville, S.C

Bush is a pretty good Spanish speaker, that’s not good enough?

Or does she count fake southern accent and ebonics as different languages?

Bad Candy on April 27, 2007 at 9:17 PM

44 percent of French people thought badly of themselves

Try bathing daily, it helps………………….

PinkyBigglesworth on April 27, 2007 at 9:22 PM

The French hating themselves more than anyone else hates them has always been a long standing joke but I guess this poll does quite a bit to actually verify that joke which is France.

To be fair to the French though, they did give us that statue of a pretty lady named Liberty in New York.

Also, in defense of France regarding their performance during WWII, they did lose over 100,000 people in that one month of fighting. It’s not so much that they gave up without fighting, it’s just that they were so thoroughly beaten by the Germans who were prepared for the war they brought and France which was a bit too prepared to fight the previous war.

Yakko77 on April 27, 2007 at 9:27 PM

>I hear they don’t even use 1 square of toilet paper.

Well, they don’t go at all. That’s why they’re, well, full of it.

>they did give us that statue of a pretty lady named Liberty in New York.

They’ve been trying to give away liberty for a loooong time.

Doghouse on April 27, 2007 at 10:25 PM

Bush is a pretty good Spanish speaker, that’s not good enough?

Yes, he is, but I guess being bilingual isn’t as good as being multilingual.

Had a bunch of black kids today tell me that their version of English is just fine as long as they understand each other. My African (born in Uganda, grew up in Morocco) assistant set them straight on that one. Blistered the hair right off their heads. I love her when she gets all uppity like that.

And whatever you do, do NOT call her African-American. She’s African. She’s American. But you call her African-American and she’ll kick your pasty white butt.

And on topic, who the heck cares what the French think? They have been retired to the rocking chair of world history while the rest of us have to change their depends.

Bob's Kid on April 27, 2007 at 10:36 PM

This is just more evidence for what we already knew: that country is so screwed.

Mark V. on April 27, 2007 at 10:47 PM

Bugger it. If Sarkozy wins I’m still buying a bottle of Evian for the first time in six years.

The politics over there are damned peculiar, though. I work with a Frenchman who’s here in the US largely because, according to him, he’s disgusted with the underachievement and laziness of the French welfare culture. He’s essentially fled his country over these complaints, and they read like a virtual laundry list of Sarkozy campaign issues.

But who is he hoping comes out on top in the run-off election? Royal. Because he considers Sarkozy to be pro-Bush.

If you can make sense out of that, you deserve a medal.

Blacklake on April 28, 2007 at 12:17 AM

Not to forget – the French contribution to the war of independence.

How strange it must have been for these French troops and their new-found colonial allies, some of whom had fought each other as enemies barely fifteen years earlier, to stand shoulder to shoulder in armed conflict with France’s ancient enemy and the colonist’s blood kin! In the end, these French soldiers became the hard anvil upon which the new American nation was forged and the chains of British imperial domination were finally broken.

Entelechy on April 28, 2007 at 12:20 AM

If you can make sense out of that, you deserve a medal.

Blacklake on April 28, 2007 at 12:17 AM

Blacklake, I can name you myriad of such examples, from all over (Western) Europe. They adore living here, the SUVs, big houses, pools, etc. while they belabor Bush on Kyoto, the war, the American colloquialism, bla, bla, bla.

In Western Europe there are only two major parties, the Sociali*ts, and the centrists (who name themselves the conservatives). It’s all just a matter of far-left or center-left. The hypocrisy and lack of realization about their fakery (in lifestyle), while preaching abstract idealism (environmentalism, global goodness, peace, equality, rights for terrorists, etc.) is incredible.

Entelechy on April 28, 2007 at 12:30 AM

I seem to remember Bill Clinton giving French lessons to an intern…

Jim Treacher on April 28, 2007 at 1:57 AM

I can attest to this. My fiance is from France and is currently in Marseille. All politics aside, the French feeling f’ing rotten about the estrangement in the friendship with Americans. Yes, they love to put us down about everything cultural, but in a jokey manner, like friends who hammer each other. They know about how we hammer them, too, and enjoy the zingers.

If we Americans had absolutely no friends in the world, we’d be our own bestfriend and not worry about it. But we are unique in this regard. The French do miss the American friend they can bash with their chauvinistic worst, the one friend who comes up grinning with something even more garish and culturally horrible for them to bash.

laelaps on April 28, 2007 at 4:01 AM

What I got from that story is that sixty two percent of Americans (the one who don’t hate France) don’t know what’s what. Of that number thirty five percent (the ones who like France) aught to be publicly flogged.

I can’t believe we beat the British: after all, they’ve been killing the French since long before Agincourt.

And the Germans positively love them … other than the whole invasion-once-in-a-while thang. Then again, I guess you’d feel warm and fuzzy for any country that let you invade that easily, over and over.

Really interesting.

Professor Blather on April 27, 2007 at 6:54 PM

Well you have to take into account that the British have killed so many French over the centuries not out of any animosity toward them necessarily, but because during those centuries, the French have thrown themselves on British swords every chance they got. I imagine the Germans like them now because the Germans have recently started trying to be French.

Wolfman on April 28, 2007 at 8:46 AM

Well, let’s see…
http://members.aol.com/spursfan50/davidallen/defeats.htm “The earliest French military aid, led by the Comte d’Estaing, was relatively unsuccessful. The battles fought were inconsequential and the losses hurt the American public’s enthusiasm in the Franco-American alliance. ” From:http://members.aol.com/TeacherNet/Revolutionarywar.html#Foreign

http://members.aol.com/spursfan50/davidallen/newport.htm “In Boston and Charleston there were riots between French and American sailors. D’Estaing decided that it would be better to leave the continent for a while, so on November 1, 1778, he sailed for the West Indies to fight British troops stationed there. The only apparent benefit of d’Estaing’s first campaign in the United States was that when he left for the West Indies, the British sent 5,000 men there to counter his attack. This meant that there were fewer British soldiers to fight in America. It is easy to see why the Americans were losing faith in their French saviors.”

http://members.aol.com/spursfan50/davidallen/savannah.htm The French started firing cannons at midnight, but were ordered to stop two hours later. Most of the shells they were firing were landing in their own trenches. Generals soon discovered that the cannoneers were drunk, having consumed an entire keg of rum that night. The bombardment resumed at 4 a.m. with new artillerymen. Shells continued to rain on the city for four days. At this point, d’Estaing’s men convinced him of the vulnerability of their position. He decided to make a bold attack on Savannah on October 8. When he made his attack, d’Estaing’s fleet was met by the British and brutally defeated

Mazztek on April 28, 2007 at 1:53 PM

From the cited article:

Relations between France and the United States plunged following Paris’s fierce opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq

Not true. Relations plunged when France (and others) denied U.S. planes flyover approval for our raid against Libya. If they have fallen since then, well, apparently the frogs can understand that they deserve it.

Freelancer on April 28, 2007 at 2:46 PM

Quick poll: Who gives a rat’s arse what the french think of us?

Mazztek on April 27, 2007 at 6:38 PM

I don’t have time to read every link to every post either. The difference is I don’t comment on the ones I don’t read.

The article was actually about how much the French hate themselves more than Americans hate the French.

iNeXuS on April 28, 2007 at 7:47 PM

I’m reminded of the Dennis Miller line about having to chisel the armpit hair off the Statue of Liberty before we could put it up.

pdigaudio on April 28, 2007 at 9:46 PM

Yes, the interesting thing isn’t that the French are anti-American. We already know Europe is overwhelmingly anti-American. The fascinating thing is that the French are actually anti-French.

That’s fascinating because it suggests that an inherent emergent feature of the welfare state may actually be national self-loathing. And this, in turn, is fascinating because those most in favor of expanding the European-style welfare state in America are peculiarly defensive about the idea that they might be portrayed as “anti-American”–a defensiveness that’s striking because it’s extremely rare to find that claim actually being made.

Maybe the reason for their reaction is that they realize anti-nationalism is, indeed, a substantive element of their political agendas, and that, whether it’s actually being made or not, the claim not only potentially can but probably should be made more often than it is.

Blacklake on April 28, 2007 at 11:59 PM

Sometimes I wonder why I go here. As if it weren’t bad enough that I seem to find quite a few Francophobes here, I find people who actually want to believe a BS poll put out by AL-REUTERS, of all news sources!

I’m ashamed of you. The country is undergoing horrific victimization by leftist politicians who couldn’t give a damn about their own country, and all you can do is sink into schadenfreude! Well I’m not tempted. Not at all.

I’m reminded of the Dennis Miller line about having to chisel the armpit hair off the Statue of Liberty before we could put it up.

Some way to thank France, considering that they had the most expensive part to deal with.

My parents were in France two months ago, and it sure wasn’t what some of you people want to make it out to be. There are poor people who live in the streets, it’s crowded, and there are a lot of unpleasant things that politicians like Chirac led them into. But it’s not all the unfriendly environment you seem to want to view it as. There are a lot of nice folks there who’re unhappy about the political and social situation created by their own politicians, and if you don’t know the situation or try to figure it out, you have no business trying to be the judge.

Avi Green on April 29, 2007 at 4:26 PM

France was playing slide it under the table with Saddam.

France has rolled over many times and let America do the heavy lifting and the sacrificing of our lives to save theirs only to stab us in the back time and again.

Now France is rolling over once again only this time there’s no rolling back.

Frankistan will be a reality in fifty years and France is rushing to embrace the new Sharia masters and their newly acquired French nukes.

The screen cap of Chirac is precious, the proper caption for it is, (add as much nasal intonation as you can)
mon dieu Frrawnnce ees scrreuuuwed!

Speakup on April 29, 2007 at 9:46 PM