Open thread: First Democratic debate of Election 200zzzzz; Update: Video of Greasy Joe’s pithy retort added!
posted at 6:50 pm on April 26, 2007 by Allahpundit
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7 p.m. ET on MSNBC, which has been running a countdown ticker since this morning. What a thrill it was to wake up to find there were only eleven and a half more hours until we learn the details of Bill Richardson’s health-care plan.
If you can’t make it to a TV, C-SPAN will be simulcasting the audio. As always, we’d appreciate a heads up if something clipworthy happens. If you see something, say something.
Here’s a little light reading while you wait. Are Fox and the CBC really planning to go ahead with an event whose big draw at this point stands to be Dennis Kucinich? Hard to believe, but there you go. If you’re not in a reading mood, try the video instead. It should set the right mood for the magic that’s about to happen.
Update: All right, by wide acclaim, here’s the highlight of the evening. He does know when to shut up!
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I just watched “Man of the Year” with Robin Williams last night. I wonder if they will all open with the thank you’s like in the movie. It was not nearly as bad a film as I expected.
TBinSTL on April 26, 2007 at 6:53 PM
I predict a mostly BDS bash party with lots of back slapping and “We did it we cause the US to leave Iraq” celebrations.
Followed by Dennis “Kooky” Kucinivich trying to light Hillary’s bloomers on fire for her Iraqi vote.
William Amos on April 26, 2007 at 6:54 PM
Let the Circus for the Naive begin.
Entelechy on April 26, 2007 at 6:57 PM
Humping robots or debating democrats. It’s hard to decide what’s more stupid.
lorien1973 on April 26, 2007 at 6:59 PM
Clinton dodges the first question
Viper1 on April 26, 2007 at 7:05 PM
Biden dodges the same question
Viper1 on April 26, 2007 at 7:06 PM
The Messiah dodges but does so more articulately than the first two
Viper1 on April 26, 2007 at 7:08 PM
Edwards… Im going to be sick…
Viper1 on April 26, 2007 at 7:08 PM
You know, my mother would never let me go the freak show at the state fair.
I wonder if watching this would satisfy my craving to watch the chronically strange and deformed at work and play?…I think so.
Jen the Neocon on April 26, 2007 at 7:10 PM
The only real difference is that the freaks costumes are more creative. Other than that, its really the same.
lorien1973 on April 26, 2007 at 7:12 PM
How true.
Viper1 on April 26, 2007 at 7:13 PM
Your predictions are already true.
amerpundit on April 26, 2007 at 7:14 PM
Mike Gravel suggests making staying there a felony. Idiot.
amerpundit on April 26, 2007 at 7:15 PM
MSNBC is broadcasting it online here.
SisterToldjah on April 26, 2007 at 7:15 PM
What was the first question? How would you rate the answers on the 1 to 10 obfuscation scale where 1 is failed miserably and 10 is managed to convince you that their position is just, and made you feel better about yourself, while still not knowing what their position is.
Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on April 26, 2007 at 7:17 PM
Jen, you just insulted Circus Freaks everywhere…….
Janos Hunyadi on April 26, 2007 at 7:18 PM
Kucinich needs to turn it up to 11, otherwise he’s going to be the second choice for the nutroots.
rw on April 26, 2007 at 7:30 PM
Dennis just said 650,000 Iraq citizens have died since the war began? Seriously? Come on.
When one military wife asked what their definition of Mission Accomplished would look like, they dodged.
Who just called Joe Biden arrogant? He says everyone is dying in vain. Sen. Gravel?
icelandicfarmer on April 26, 2007 at 7:31 PM
Gravel is spanking ‘em.
Ian on April 26, 2007 at 7:31 PM
That would be Cirque de So-Lame
JetBoy on April 26, 2007 at 7:38 PM
May the cannibalism begin!
DAT60A3 on April 26, 2007 at 7:40 PM
My God. This is like watching a train-wreck. Hillary says she doesn’t want to violate the Second Amendment, but wants gun control. Pick one.
amerpundit on April 26, 2007 at 7:41 PM
You know how scary it is when Hillary sounds intelligent? Kucinich says he has a gun???? Biden has a shotgun.
amerpundit on April 26, 2007 at 7:43 PM
Biden patting himself on the back yet again..
Viper1 on April 26, 2007 at 7:44 PM
This is a train wreck. I can’t stand anymore of this nonsense.
Catie96706 on April 26, 2007 at 7:44 PM
Talking about mental illness, now theres something theyre all qualified to discuss
Viper1 on April 26, 2007 at 7:44 PM
The Silky Pony sidesteps the “which taxes would you raise to fund national healthcare?”…He totally spinned himself out of that…
JetBoy on April 26, 2007 at 7:46 PM
What happened to Shrillarys accent? did she go to speech therapy..
Viper1 on April 26, 2007 at 7:46 PM
Edwards just completely ignored the question on which taxes he’d raise.
amerpundit on April 26, 2007 at 7:46 PM
JetBoy, sorry.
amerpundit on April 26, 2007 at 7:46 PM
Obama pretty much ignored it, as well. Hillary just did it, too.
amerpundit on April 26, 2007 at 7:47 PM
The American public support the ban on partial birth abortion, but the politicans don’t agree with the American public. Wonderful.
Wouldn’t it be easier to deliver the baby at that point if the mothers health was in danger, rather than birthing the baby half way and killing it?
They act like Republicans don’t care about a woman’s health. Children’s health is so important to Democrats it seems. How does that work? I’ll kill the baby, but I still care about it’s health.
Did I just hear a Democrat say that most gun owners are law abiding? Federal government could have saved the VTech students?
Health Care: Obama just said that he’d help reduce the bankruptcies caused by medical bills. Congress and the President passed a bankruptcy bill last year that was paid for by credit card companies and made it HARDER for people will medical bills to file bankruptcy.
icelandicfarmer on April 26, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Not one Democrat has answered how they’d pay for it. Richardson says he’d hope that as Democrats he’d hope that they wouldn’t automatically got to raising taxes. He wants the people, companies, and the government to share? Isn’t that socialism?
amerpundit on April 26, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Bill Richardson sounds like he has the best Democrat health plan.
icelandicfarmer on April 26, 2007 at 7:50 PM
And who’s Hillary trying to impress with those diamonds and pearls?
JetBoy on April 26, 2007 at 7:51 PM
Leave my Flag alone!!!
Exit poll…will Hilldog ever where a dress again?
sunny on April 26, 2007 at 7:51 PM
Would you want to see a pig in a dress?
Viper1 on April 26, 2007 at 7:53 PM
haha! Mike Gravel “I’m feeling like a potted plant over here”
And Hillary…”I don’t have time to tell you all the mistakes I’ve made”…Finally a little truth from Mizz Clinton!
JetBoy on April 26, 2007 at 7:53 PM
Wow. Gavel was just so clever there “I won’t hold their youth and inexperience against them”. Kucinich thought that he was funny, too. They all think they’re hysterical. These are some hell of “One Sentence Answers” here.
amerpundit on April 26, 2007 at 7:53 PM
Quick! No one tell Dodd that people don’t “Suddenly become addicts”.
amerpundit on April 26, 2007 at 7:57 PM
They ARE democrats you cant expect them to have original or unprogramed thoughts.
William Amos on April 26, 2007 at 7:57 PM
Why does Gravel remind me of Stockdale?
His best: “We spend too much on the military. Who are we afraid of?”
JetBoy on April 26, 2007 at 8:04 PM
Oh noes the Military-Industrial Complex is in my head!
askheaves on April 26, 2007 at 8:05 PM
We need to provide schooling and clean water to the world? Really Mr. Edwards?
icelandicfarmer on April 26, 2007 at 8:06 PM
This whole gaggle is so far out of touch its not only comical its frightening
Viper1 on April 26, 2007 at 8:06 PM
Why have Republicans been shown to be tougher on terrorism? Because Republicans are tougher on terrorism.
icelandicfarmer on April 26, 2007 at 8:09 PM
Survivor is on. See ya.
icelandicfarmer on April 26, 2007 at 8:09 PM
Kucinich says there is no “global war on terror”.
amerpundit on April 26, 2007 at 8:10 PM
He’d open relations with Syria and Iran.
amerpundit on April 26, 2007 at 8:11 PM
Well, to be fair, not until we get rid of all the nukes in the world.
askheaves on April 26, 2007 at 8:12 PM
Proving the point that all they would do is talk in the face of another attack on America..
Viper1 on April 26, 2007 at 8:13 PM
Look at these guys squirm when asked how they’d react to a coordinated terrorist attack on America is kind of hilarious. There is so much fodder in there to pick apart.
askheaves on April 26, 2007 at 8:16 PM
I cant listen to anymore of this.
Viper1 on April 26, 2007 at 8:20 PM
This isn’t a debate. It’s a therapy session for moonbats. Every sentence seems to start off with “This administration…” Who f***ing cares? This administration is gone in 2009. You aren’t running against anyone from this administration. Unserious clowns.
They’ve got nothing left except hatred for Bush.
jaleach on April 26, 2007 at 8:20 PM
Speaking of health care, anyone notice WalMart deciding to open 400 health clinics and eventually up to 2000 clinics in their stores by 2012? They are also inviting other companies to pitch in.
That beats any Democrat’s plan.
crosspatch on April 26, 2007 at 8:22 PM
Wal-Mart 2008
Viper1 on April 26, 2007 at 8:23 PM
Howard Dean said yesterday that the democrats will lie to your face as long as cameras and media are present. Tonight will be no different. So far he is right on the money. Lie after lie after lie.
roninacreage on April 26, 2007 at 8:24 PM
Seinfeld and Raymond reruns will have higher ratings.
roninacreage on April 26, 2007 at 8:25 PM
What is this MSNBC thing you guys keep talking about?
crosspatch on April 26, 2007 at 8:27 PM
Speaking of Wal-Mart, Hiliary got the “Is Wal-Mart a good thing?” question.
IT’S BUSH’S FAULT!!!!
steveegg on April 26, 2007 at 8:28 PM
Memo to self; do not include any variation of “Bush’s fault” into any DhimmiRAT debate drinking game.
steveegg on April 26, 2007 at 8:31 PM
Wow, where did they dig up Gravel. This is Kucinich in 20 years. Edwards froze when they asked about who he looks up to morally. He has none, unless you count Ben Franklin in his wallet.
tommuck on April 26, 2007 at 8:38 PM
The low caliber quality of all these candidates is really sad. The thought of any of them being President is an absolutely shameful reflection of how far we have fallen. They are beneath snake oil salesmen. And half the country will actually vote for one of them. I want to puke.
roninacreage on April 26, 2007 at 8:38 PM
You have to like Biden’s response to the question about him being a windbag though…
Greg Tinti on April 26, 2007 at 8:50 PM
Very,very sad state to see these so called people running for POTUS. I wish just one would answer the questions or get off the stage. They are ridiculas and they better get to working on something that is really a debate. I couldn’t belive I wasted my time watching that farce of a so called debate. Elementary kids could have done so much better.
bones47 on April 26, 2007 at 8:56 PM
these aren’t debates, they are discussions. debates have prolonged back and forths to attack each other’s points. discussions are them treating us like we are kids who wouldn’t understand the answer
lorien1973 on April 26, 2007 at 8:58 PM
Still at work, so can’t watch the carnival, but the comments so far are a riot, and provide a fair gist of the proceedings.
I simply imagine Fred!s clear, simple, CONSTITUTIONALLY LEGAL, and pro-American answer to the questions I’ve heard referenced so far, and I feel safe thinking January 2009 is going to be good…
Freelancer on April 26, 2007 at 9:04 PM
I’m not watching. Has Hillary broken into any sprituals yet?
I can just imagine a choice sound-bite from Biden…
I knew Harriet Tubman. I’ve plagiarized Harriet Tubman. Mrs. Clinton, you are no Harriet Tubman.
SailorDave on April 26, 2007 at 9:10 PM
And here I thought The Muppet Show went off the air years ago.
ReubenJCogburn on April 26, 2007 at 9:35 PM
I’m not watching, and I have said this before, so forgive me for the repeat, but every time I see that picture of Hillary, my Viagra jumps out of it’s package and goes screaming into the night………. and I don’t even have any Viagra…
PinkyBigglesworth on April 26, 2007 at 9:38 PM
Did Obama or Hillary break in to southern accents? Did Obama claim that certain civil rights movements that happened when he was a young child somehow broke the barriers of time and lead to his birth? Did Edwards break in to yankee accent? Did Hillary or Biden insult Indian-Americans? Did Hillary equate the plight of Dems in Congress to the plight of slaves by claiming that the GOP ran it “like a plantation, and you know what I’m talking about”? Did they spend the vast majority of the time arguing that Saddam had WMDs, and then flip at the end to call Bush a liar for making the same case without batting an eyelash and without any scrutiny from anyone? Did they promise to keep emboldening the enemy, essentially promising the enemy that if they can just keep killing a few American soldiers and thousands of civilians for just a few more weeks that they’ll hand them the victory? Did they explain to us how we can ever win a war, when they’ve repeatedly vowed on to let us? Did they explain how we can win when they embolden an enemy who’s goal is only suicide and chaos, when victory would be simple if the enemy were simply told that we’re united and relentless?
RightWinged on April 26, 2007 at 10:43 PM
Has anyone noticed how Presidential elections are becoming more and more “game showish”? It’s like Who Wants To Be President? or American Idol – President edition!
JohnJ on April 26, 2007 at 10:49 PM
MSNBC put up a “rate the candidate” thing on their site.
The Messiah wins in Cyberland
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18300340/from/RSS/
name negative neutral like
Biden 33 43 23
Hillary 37 30 33
Dodd 40 50 10
Edwards 24 38 33
Gravel 45 41 14
Obama 23 31 46
Richardson 35 44 21
William Amos on April 26, 2007 at 10:50 PM
Circus freaks everywhere are indignant tonight.
I didn’t watch this; not enough containers for the…and I already know there’s/are no substance/solutions – just excessive BDS and “this administration, bla, bla, bla”.
These events should really take place in arenas, similar to gladiator fights; that way huge, naive, masses could enjoy all the ‘foreplay’, the food+, and eventually the act. In typical Leftie style no one would get killed and all would go home entertained and happy. And
screwedfinagled.Entelechy on April 26, 2007 at 10:57 PM
Biden wins the debate!
CliffHanger on April 26, 2007 at 10:57 PM
Wow, I forgot this was happening tonight. I’ll have to look for a repeat if I have trouble sleeping tonight.
Malpaso on April 26, 2007 at 10:58 PM
The update with Biden was funny. It made him almost human.
thedecider on April 26, 2007 at 11:03 PM
Everyone of these Democrats are beyond worthless. Everyone of these Democrats would be a disaster as President. Rudi was too diplomatic with his recent words about the Democrats. These Democrats will get Americans killed.
Phil Byler on April 26, 2007 at 11:39 PM
With Biden’s ‘yes’, never has one man said so little to lie to much.
- The Cat
MirCat on April 27, 2007 at 12:03 AM
Heh, Biden would be a disaster as president, I have an image in my head of a news report of angry people burning effigies and the newsguy saying in their serious voice: “(Country X) in uproar, with violent protests, burning cars and effigies after Joe Biden said (racist statement here), he has yet to issue a formal apology.”
Bad Candy on April 27, 2007 at 12:03 AM
Democrats debating each other is like mistakenly buying a she-male hooker…
I’m not sure what that means… but that’s what it’s like
Opinionnation on April 27, 2007 at 12:04 AM
I know Joe Bidens brother here in FL. I see him in Boca from time to time. ON a personal level he’s an ok guy. I’m not sure but I think he’s a Republican. If anyone wants me to relay a message to Joe I’d be happy to relay the message. Heh Heh
sonnyspats1 on April 27, 2007 at 12:10 AM
The debate tonight (from the Carbon Offets thread)
That was soooo easy pilot. You need a downer, btw.
Entelechy on April 27, 2007 at 12:24 AM
Correction – Carbon Offsets thread, of course
Entelechy on April 27, 2007 at 12:25 AM
The party of appeasement and failure.
msipes on April 27, 2007 at 12:57 AM
I for one, am glad this phase of the circus is over. I hope the clowns clear out of my beautiful state quick. You could smell the stink all the way down here in Charleston.
CharlestonCritic on April 27, 2007 at 1:23 AM
Too true.
MirCat on April 27, 2007 at 1:24 AM
Dems lined up, expected to give honest, intelligent answers…
I’m racking my brain for a fitting analogy, but nothing captures the utter absurdity like the event itself.
Halley on April 27, 2007 at 1:28 AM
I find it funny that the Democrats all hate Gravel, when he’s the only one actually spouting 100% of the surrendercrat liberal view. I even wrote a post about how all the Daily Kos idiots are bashing Gravel. They’re hypocrites of course.
JustinHiggins on April 27, 2007 at 2:51 AM
Heh.
And a hearty ‘heh’ to Biden for the line I didn’t think he was capable of.
Jaibones on April 27, 2007 at 2:56 AM
I gotta hand it to Biden. That’s the closest I’ve ever come to liking him. Nicely done.
marykatharine on April 27, 2007 at 3:02 AM
(looks around, “hmmm”)
Yes. . . .
- The Cat
* eg *
MirCat on April 27, 2007 at 3:06 AM
Insomniac theater.
Jaibones on April 27, 2007 at 5:52 AM
Re: roninacreage …
Absolutely, positively, without a doubt, one hundred percent correct!
A partial solution lies in first abolishing the U.S. Department of Education, and then work our way down, eliminating the morass of bureaucratic (slave making) federal agencies.
Perhaps, when Senator Fred Thompson tosses his hat into this ring of fools, the fun will begin.
I can hope … can’t I?
G. Mason on April 27, 2007 at 6:39 AM
He should have deployed that tactic when he was asked what the biggest threat to America is instead of answering that North Korea is first and that Iran is a distant second.
Pablo on April 27, 2007 at 8:19 AM
It’s that time again…Democratic Inquisition
Who loves abortion the most and the USA the least. Stay tuned.
Hening on April 27, 2007 at 8:36 AM
Clinton would have done better with the boom stand if he just pictured it coming out of his zipper.
Hening on April 27, 2007 at 8:38 AM
Pablum for the unwashed masses,
Golfer_75093 on April 27, 2007 at 8:39 AM
Wouldn’t it be deliciously “red meatish” if, after the Fox debate, “Krazy Kucinich” got a huge bump in the polls? Does anyone have to think longer than about two seconds to know how the rest of the scum dems would react? hahaha
csdeven on April 27, 2007 at 9:35 AM
I do wish Biden would win.
It would be at least be fun to have him as president of any of the democrats.
gatewaypundit on April 27, 2007 at 10:42 AM
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