I think technology is what will have to make it happen. One can only hope that someday muslims are as close followers of their religion as catholics are.

One could also hope that muslims overcome their religious bigotry.

This is just a little more wink-wink, nudge-nudgefor the men, who are living entire lives of wink-wink, nudge nudge, then back to the jihad.

Isaac Schrödinger made a long trip from his identity as a Pakistani-born, ex-Muslim, refugee-claimant living in Saudi Arabia to becoming pro-USA. He describes the journey here.

Did they ever find his cat?

May I recommend my blog for an insight into how Saudis think?

See what Stephen Browne of Norman, Oklahoma thought when he went to Saudi Arabia and boiled it down into a handful of lessons. Click here.

Isaac Schrödinger made a long trip from his identity as a Pakistani-born, ex-Muslim, refugee-claimant living in Saudi Arabia to becoming pro-USA. He describes the journey here.

Isaac’s opinion as an ex-Muslim:

“Our war against the Islamists will be multi-generational. The US has to fight. She has no other choice. We’ve tried leaving the Middle East alone in its soup of hatred, the result of which we witnessed on 9/11. The Islamists do not fully understand the West. They do not comprehend the latent might of the American Republic and they constantly deny the dignity of freedom in Israel. They truly believe that they’ll make us kneel before them. If not today, then twenty years from now. For them it is only a matter of time.

It is up to the US to prove them wrong. We must destroy Al Qaeda, crush Hamas, smash the Iranian regime, and grind the Saudi rulers into powder. We must completely and utterly annihilate Islamism.”

Questions?

Tantor on April 25, 2007 at 5:49 PM

I am from Norman and am familiar with his comments. I especially agree with this one.

I came back with the gloomy opinion that over the long run we are going to have to hammer these people hard to get them to quit messing with Western Civilization.”

The one point of view he can’t write from is a Western woman in Saudi Arabia, and yes it is indeed an entirely different point of view. All of the freedoms men, from ANY country enjoy, are totally denied women. This gives one an entirely different viewpoint about life on every level in the KSA. When the Marine towers was bombed in May of 1996, my Saudi boss came into our work area and made this statement “I am very sorry for your loss but your government should listen to our people. Chilling.

There is hope, and it’s these kids.

Very useful. They simply cannot stop the flow of western technology into their culture. Heh. The article you linked to in the other thread about French fashion incorporating the burqa is really the burqa being Westernized. Jeans worn under long dresses will become jeans worn under long skirts, then sarong like waist wraps then just a lavish belt. Next thing you know, suprise you been assimilated! All technological means of communication will work the same way. Satellite ISP can reach into the most represive of regimes. State run news outlets cannot stem the tide of information. Qutb was right to hate our technology and way of life. His concept of the height of civilization will not last into the next century.

Bingo.

See what Stephen Browne of Norman, Oklahoma thought when he went to Saudi Arabia and boiled it down into a handful of lessons. Click here.

Isaac Schrödinger made a long trip from his identity as a Pakistani-born, ex-Muslim, refugee-claimant living in Saudi Arabia to becoming pro-USA. He describes the journey here.

Isaac’s opinion as an ex-Muslim:

“Our war against the Islamists will be multi-generational. The US has to fight. She has no other choice. We’ve tried leaving the Middle East alone in its soup of hatred, the result of which we witnessed on 9/11. The Islamists do not fully understand the West. They do not comprehend the latent might of the American Republic and they constantly deny the dignity of freedom in Israel. They truly believe that they’ll make us kneel before them. If not today, then twenty years from now. For them it is only a matter of time.

It is up to the US to prove them wrong. We must destroy Al Qaeda, crush Hamas, smash the Iranian regime, and grind the Saudi rulers into powder. We must completely and utterly annihilate Islamism.”

Questions?

Mazztek on April 25, 2007 at 1:43 PM

What’s worse; knowing that, or knowing what you posted before clicking the link?

- The Cat

People, this is just a way to support that fact that communication and the spreading of ideas is EVIL.

Kids collecting cell phone porn are not going to be the Adams, the Paine, or the Franklin of Saudi Arabia.

The trappings of American culture are not the same as the fundamental bedrock upon which this society is built. I’ll double check my history, but I don’t think “Musings on the Dirty Sanchez” was the subtitle of Common Sense. To assume that pr0n is somehow a vessel with secretly embedded viral copies of the Constitution– or even to propose that through indulgence will come civics– is to make a fundamental error about the nature of what supports Western civilization.

There is no road to political dignity through the dark corners of the human psyche. To see hope in an army of sad women with oiled buttocks is as superstitious as seeking salvation through the sacrifice of virgins.

If these are your revolutionaries, expect results closer to Robespierre than Washington

and I agree with this, also

The reason lectures were made was because it was cheaper to pass on information orally than by book. Once books became cheap, people could pursue the truth independently, without the clergy middlemen. That diminished the authority of the clergy and led, ultimately, to the Reformation.

Porn may just be the thin wedge in Saudi society that cracks the door open to ideas that will ultimately overturn their thoroughly rotten, wrong, and evil country and religion

and what I saw & heard during my time in Saudi aligns with what Glynn saw & heard: an apparently Repressed Society where much of the population can afford to jet to the Surrounding Decadence of other nations ( especially the south of France, but Dubai is cheaper ) and be Total Pagan Hedonists.

But Saudi is a peculiar as well as Dysfunctional society, so who knows? Not me…………….

After the printing press was invented, the Europeans got busy printing Bibles. However, the real money-maker was dirty books, which sold like hotcakes. That’s what made the presses profitable and propagated more presses.

Tantor on April 25, 2007 at 3:28 PM

You got a link on that? I’m fascinated.

Plus it’ll make good cover for my Elizabethean porn fetish.

Up until that time, hand-written books had been as expensive as a Rolls-Royce today. The reason lectures were made was because it was cheaper to pass on information orally than by book. Once books became cheap, people could pursue the truth independently, without the clergy middlemen. That diminished the authority of the clergy and led, ultimately, to the Reformation.

Porn may just be the thin wedge in Saudi society that cracks the door open to ideas that will ultimately overturn their thoroughly rotten, wrong, and evil country and religion.

Exit question: How useful will technology like this ultimately prove in opening up cloistered societies?

Very.

While not so much the porn, but the technology will help. The great firewall of china comes to mind.

Why would China create a firewall unless they were worried about it?

When our society is under attack, we fight back to maintain our society, our civilization.
Doug on April 25, 2007 at 2:38 PM

Okay, I’m dying to ask. Where exactly do you see US “fighting back to maintain our society?”

I certainly like the sound of it, but I sure don’t see it happening.

an army of sad women with oiled buttocks is as superstitious as seeking salvation through the sacrifice of virgins.

If these are your revolutionaries, expect results closer to Robespierre than Washington.

a4g on April 25, 2007 at 2:39 PM

An Army of Women with Oiled Buttocks?

I love that movie.

The sequel is better, though.

The trappings of American culture are not the same as the fundamental bedrock upon which this society is built. I’ll double check my history, but I don’t think “Musings on the Dirty Sanchez” was the subtitle of Common Sense. To assume that pr0n is somehow a vessel with secretly embedded viral copies of the Constitution– or even to propose that through indulgence will come civics– is to make a fundamental error about the nature of what supports Western civilization.

There is no road to political dignity through the dark corners of the human psyche. To see hope in an army of sad women with oiled buttocks is as superstitious as seeking salvation through the sacrifice of virgins.

If these are your revolutionaries, expect results closer to Robespierre than Washington.

2. Make an entertaining, easily shared video that happens to show Shia Muslims as apostates that need to be killed. Seed this among Sunni youths.

3. Profit

New Arab: “I’m going to blow up my plastic girlfriend”

Peace. At last.

Exit question: How useful will technology like this ultimately prove in opening up cloistered societies?

Censorship, with a healthy dose of cleric eyes on anyone looking at such material that would offend the likes of the ruling religious class.

Next up, the plucking of eyes for watching as punishment and virtual on-line stoning.

Yes I took it, no they didn’t do much.