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Haditha: Time for another “everything you know is wrong” Newsmax piece

posted at 4:04 pm on April 25, 2007 by Allahpundit
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They drop one of these every three or four months. The first big piece was in June of last year, when unnamed “military officials familiar with the incident” told author Phil Brennan that, among other things, not only was there radio evidence of jihadis ambushing the Marines that day and instigating the ensuing firefight that killed so many civilians but that they’d seen video taken overhead by a drone of four jihadis running from the neighborhood and loading weapons into their car while Sgt. Frank Wuterich’s team conducted house-clearing operations. That would go a long way towards debunking the “rampage” theory of the killings (and would also presumably make it harder to prove murder as opposed to criminally negligent homicide or some equivalent charge), but it wouldn’t necessarily answer the question of whether Wuterich et al. followed the proper rules of engagement in clearing the houses by tossing grenades in and blind-firing through the smoke. Brennan took on the ROE in his last piece on the subject, back in January, when he quoted an unnamed “veteran Marine intelligence officer” involved in the case as essentially claiming that if Wuterich had good reason to believe that jihadis were in the houses, he and his team were entitled to protect themselves by fragging and blind-firing into them. Obviously contemporaneous audio or video evidence of a jihadi presence in the area would help establish that their belief was in good faith. 60 Minutes put the ROE question to a Marine Reserve Captain named Donovan Campbell when they reported on Wuterich and Haditha last month:

Are there circumstances under which you’d declare an entire house hostile and go in with the intention of just killing everyone inside?

Campbell says yes. “You have to have the context of heavy enemy involvement in the area and then I think you have to have a more specific operating context that deals specifically with that house. You know there are several insurgents inside and you need to go in and get them out because they are attacking you.”

How do you know? Campbell tells Pelley almost always, you have to see them.

“In your opinion,” asks Pelley,” you have to lay eyes on someone with a weapon in that house in order to assault the house and kill everyone inside?”

Campbell says, “Yes, but you never go in with the intention of I’m going to kill every living soul inside.”

Now comes the latest from Phil Brennan — or Philip V. Brennan, as his byline now has it — in another report presenting the unnamed “veteran Marine intelligence officer” as the linchpin of the investigation and declaring breathlessly, “Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines.” The gist of it is that the reason the prosecution has granted immunity to a bunch of Marines who were there that day is that they know they have no case and are grasping for some form of evidence to present:

In a nutshell, the case exploded when an intelligence officer dropped a bombshell on prosecutors during a pre-hearing interview when he revealed the existence of exculpatory evidence that appears to have been obtained by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) and withheld from the prosecutors.

This officer, described by senior Marine Corps superiors as one of the best and most dedicated intelligence officers in the entire Marine Corps, was in possession of evidence which provided a minute-by-minute narrative of the entire day’s action — material which he had amassed while monitoring the day’s action in his capacity as the battalion’s intelligence officer. That material, he says, was also in the hands of the NCIS.

Much of that evidence remains classified, but it includes videos of the entire day’s action, including airstrikes against insurgent safe houses. Also included was all of the radio traffic describing the ongoing action between the men on the ground and battalion headquarters, and proof that the Marines were aware that the insurgents conducting the ambush of the Kilo Company troops were videotaping the action — the same video that after editing ended up in the hands of a gullible anti-war correspondent for Time magazine…

Confronted by the massive mounds of evidence that Marine Corps sources tell NewsMax proves conclusively that the cases against the Haditha Marines are baseless, the prosecutors were forced to postpone the Article 31 against Lt. Col. Chessani and two of the enlisted men in an attempt to regroup.

The whole piece reads like that, just one superlative after another about how absurd the charges are, how transparently obvious it is that there were jihadis in the vicinity and the Marines did everything right, etc etc etc. Smells like propaganda, although if you had used the same terms to describe Nifong’s case at the beginning of the Duke investigation, I’d have probably said the same thing. It’s worth reading through it because if Newsmax is right about the A/V evidence and these guys all walk, they’ll be doing plenty of crowing about it. And they’ll have every right.

One last thing, though:

Because the intelligence officer was slated to return to Iraq for another tour of duty, arrangements were made prior to his departure to videotape his testimony for use in the hearings which would take place after his departure.

If this guy really is as crucial to the case as Newsmax says he is, wouldn’t the prosecution insist that he be given leave to be called at the hearing and cross-examined? Any military lawyers care to enlighten me as to whether videotaped testimony is common or not, especially in a matter as high-profile as this?


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I don’t know which end is up anymore.

Can we just give Reid and Pelosi rifles and ship them off to Iraq and be done with it?

unamused on April 25, 2007 at 4:10 PM

I for one hope it is true and Murtha will have to eat his words.

It is disgusting that our own military has targeted its solders publicaly before the investigations are completed.

ScottyDog on April 25, 2007 at 4:13 PM

What does Jack Murtha have to say about this? (as if I really care what he has to say)

crosspatch on April 25, 2007 at 4:16 PM

Thing is, even if they were guilty, Murtha is still a traitor.

bbz123 on April 25, 2007 at 4:19 PM

…he revealed the existence of exculpatory evidence that appears to have been obtained by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) and withheld from the prosecutors.

I kinda thought there was BS to this. It appears NCIS did its job correctly and this is another incident written for the “anti-military-patriots” in the MSM.
Hope they don’t get away with this. Our troops deserve better ROE.

tormod on April 25, 2007 at 4:27 PM

It would be foolish to conclude anything at this point.
Nifong is a good cautionary. So is Plame for that matter. There’s no reason to believe fiefdoms within the Department of the Navy are less corrupt nor other-directed than CIA.
Wait and see.

Stephen M on April 25, 2007 at 4:30 PM

Come on this is just an evil bush cover up set in motion. They have lied about everything else…why would should we believe this…blah blah blah.

tomas on April 25, 2007 at 4:32 PM

Thing is, even if they were guilty, Murtha is still a traitor.

bbz123 on April 25, 2007 at 4:19 PM

Too true.

- The Cat

P.S. Just like with Duke, how do they get their names back.

MirCat on April 25, 2007 at 4:51 PM

Nobody will notice. The media has already done its damage.

budorob on April 25, 2007 at 4:56 PM

I was waiting for someone to say that the A/V imagery was available. The marines use the Dragon-eye UAV and the Israelis have been using it forever. Evidence is readily available that easily prove the Marines were acting well within the ROE. They’re innocent.

Andy in Agoura Hills on April 25, 2007 at 5:03 PM

AP,

nice summary and good questions. I will look forward to informed answers from military intelligence vets.

Jaibones on April 25, 2007 at 5:08 PM

If the Haditha Marines are innocent (and I think they are), then the prosecutors should be dismissed from service. Our guys work under difficult rules of engagement as it is. Bad prosecutions only increase the possibility of our guys holding back in situations and incur the risk of American casualties. That we don’t need, and that should be punished.

Phil Byler on April 25, 2007 at 5:30 PM

Regarding AP’s question, I can only assume that it would be handled the way a court handles any videotaped testimony — as long as all parties were represented at the taking of the testimony, and had an opportunity to cross examine, then there should be no need to recall the guy.

SWLiP on April 25, 2007 at 5:59 PM

AP, as you know, despite the JD, I am not JAG. However, I have never heard of videotaped testimony in a USMJ action.

major john on April 25, 2007 at 6:14 PM

If the Haditha Marines are innocent (and I think they are), then the prosecutors should be dismissed from service. Our guys work under difficult rules of engagement as it is. Bad prosecutions only increase the possibility of our guys holding back in situations and incur the risk of American casualties. That we don’t need, and that should be punished.

Phil Byler on April 25, 2007 at 5:30 PM

If this turns out to be a bad prosecution, those responsible should be discharged under less than honorable conditions.

thirteen28 on April 25, 2007 at 6:18 PM

The exculpatory video is actually old news. Hard to say if it’s true, but I remember their lawyer was talking about this about a week after the story broke.

Yeah, Newsmax sucks (I once subscribed). But the accused are Marines putting their lives on the line over there, so I am unapologetic in giving every benefit of the doubt (at least as much leeway as, say, a Durham County prosecutor might give an African-American rape accuser right before an election). Also, anyone over there will tell you the local culture is one of habitual lying, and Sunni insurgents have every reason to lie.

TallDave on April 25, 2007 at 6:33 PM

You know, this has the potential to be a huge deal, like the Duke case but even more magnified because it has Iraq and national political leaders like Murtha wrapped up in it now. Did the media and Dmeocrats turn an insurgent propaganda campaign into trumped-up criminal charges against our soldiers? That’s aiding and abetting the enemy big time. It’s like Winter Soldier Part II: Kerry’s Revenge.

If (and I stress if) what they’re claiming is accurate, I think we have a responsibility to make as big a fuss over this as the Bush Guard memos. They can’t be allowed to do this to our Marines.

TallDave on April 25, 2007 at 6:41 PM

On a related note from yesterday:

Allegations of NCIS Misconduct in Haditha Case: Investigation Demanded

MrC_5150 on April 25, 2007 at 6:55 PM

I want so much to believe this.

mikeyboss on April 25, 2007 at 6:59 PM

I’m doing my best not to pre-judge the outcome of the trial, so I ain’t even going there.

But as far as Murtha goes, he’s a little shit who doesn’t deserve anything he has because of what he does. He’s worse than the “Crazy 88″ professors at Duke who issued their pre-trial condemnations.

And if the prosecution of the Haditha marines does fall apart, then hopefully some very serious books are going to be thrown at some very unscrupulous lawyers and bureaucrats over how these people were treated.

The whole situation just smells of eight kinds of ugly.

Merovign on April 25, 2007 at 7:05 PM

Semper Fi!

if these charges are baseless and unfounded,
I only hope that some one with balls will insist on getting an apology to the marines! I also think that Murtha should be forced to resign.

robo on April 25, 2007 at 7:41 PM

Videotaped testimony could be allowed in some sort of extreme case, but I’ve never run across one: it’s the same Giant Glitch as in civilian proceedings: no opportinity to cross-examine the witness. THat’s in the Sixth Amendment and for the most part in the UCMJ

Janos Hunyadi on April 25, 2007 at 8:32 PM

If they turn up innocent then it will be a non-story for the drive-by media. Think about the Duke case. You still have the race pimps saying that they know “something” happened in that house that night. Libs are invincibly ignorant.

Mojave Mark on April 25, 2007 at 8:42 PM

Good work AP. I would have never suspected our Marines to begin with, so this story has discussed me more everyday. None-the-less you’ve done great work today. For a blogger. ;)

Griz on April 25, 2007 at 10:18 PM

More news:

Officer charged in Haditha killings was nominated for medalExcerpt:

By THOMAS WATKINS

The Associated Press

SAN DIEGO

“A Marine officer accused of failing to investigate the slayings of 24 Iraqis in Haditha was recommended for a Bronze Star medal because of his actions on the day of the killings, his attorney said Wednesday.

1st Lt. Andrew A. Grayson, of Springboro, Ohio, was in a team of intelligence operatives that inspected the scene of the Nov. 19, 2005, attack. The killings were carried out by a Marine squad in the aftermath of a roadside bomb explosion that left one Marine dead.

Grayson’s attorney, Joseph Casas, said the medal recommendation was written in February 2006, about the same time government agents were probing the deaths.

Casas said the nomination praised the Marine for learning of two other roadside bombs in Haditha from Iraqis he questioned in the wake of the attacks. He was also cited for obtaining information that led to the capture of two men who detonated the bomb that sparked the violence.”

MrC_5150 on April 25, 2007 at 11:12 PM

If the Haditha Marines are innocent (and I think they are), then the prosecutors should be dismissed from service. Our guys work under difficult rules of engagement as it is. Bad prosecutions only increase the possibility of our guys holding back in situations and incur the risk of American casualties. That we don’t need, and that should be punished.

Phil Byler on April 25, 2007 at 5:30 PM

Problem is here…if they are innocent, who is more guilty or malicious prosecution? Those conducting the prosecution? or the nitwits at Time who accepted an edited video from some Iraqi with an axe to grind? and the limp-wristed bureaucrats who, rather than defend Marines in a combat zone, chose the easy way and accepted the contention the Marines did something wrong?

I also think that Murtha should be forced to resign.

robo on April 25, 2007 at 7:41 PM

…only after publicly groveling on his knees, begging forgiveness from any Marine who ever wore the uniform.

91Veteran on April 25, 2007 at 11:14 PM

Murtha does not deserve the dignity of being allowed to resign. He should have been expelled from the House within an hour of making his at-that-point-unsubstantiated charges. It is one thing for a private citizen like Sheehan (may she rot in hell) to reflexively and publicly give the benefit of the doubt to our sworn enemies and immediatley beleive the worst about our own, but it is nothing short of Giving Aid and Comfort to the Enemy for a sitting member of the government to do so, regardless of his political party.

That said, I am stil waiting for a Republican with the gumption to, when a Dem says “are you questioning my patriotism?” to answer with “You’re damn right I do!”

Lancer on April 26, 2007 at 12:52 AM

Lots of info on this and other military prosecution cases available from Kit Jarrell over at , which I first found via Michelle when Euphoric Reality covered the case of Marine Ilario Pantano.

The JAG Hunter also regularly follows JAG/NCIS developments, including for Haditha, it seems.

Lots of allegations of misconduct on the part of NCIS.

brewt on April 26, 2007 at 1:45 AM

over at Euphoric Reality, that is.

brewt on April 26, 2007 at 1:46 AM

If this guy really is as crucial to the case as Newsmax says he is, wouldn’t the prosecution insist that he be given leave to be called at the hearing and cross-examined? Any military lawyers care to enlighten me as to whether videotaped testimony is common or not, especially in a matter as high-profile as this?

I’m not a lawyer, but I am ex-military.

His personal testimony isn’t the important part here, it is the factual information which he documented. Now that the information is known, anyone from the defense could present this same information.

Lawrence on April 26, 2007 at 9:20 AM

Are there circumstances under which you’d declare an entire house hostile and go in with the intention of just killing everyone inside?

Yes… when the circumstances are that the house is in Iraq.

Campbell says, “Yes, but you never go in with the intention of I’m going to kill every living soul inside.”

To paraphrase Yoda: “That is why you fail.”

My questions: do Moslems have souls? Do Iraqis? Do I care?

Hiraghm on April 26, 2007 at 1:42 PM


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