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Extreme heart-ache: Kirkuk cops go upside drive-by suspect’s head

posted at 5:25 pm on April 25, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Gooood stuff here from Totten and Lasswell, fresh off their trip to the crucible of Kirkuk. You can watch the clip at either site but I recommend reading both posts. Totten is a tad more Sullivan-esque, shall we say, in his reaction to the violence, but he’s also got the better quotes:

“His teeth were still intact,” Patrick said.

Mam Rostam laughed again. “Those slaps were advice,” he said. “Because the city is unstable, we have to be a little bit violent with people to stop them. Otherwise they won’t be afraid to do many other evil actions. We have to be a little bit severe.”

It’s the broken-lip theory of Iraqi crimefighting: break his lip now so you don’t have to break his head later. There’s also a great passage about Rostam, a Pesh Merga general, explaining the consequences for Afghanistan if the U.S. withdraws from Iraq. But as I say, you need to read Lasswell too; otherwise you won’t find out who the suspect was and why he was riding around with his pal popping off shots oh-so-impressively.

Rostam also explicitly blames Iran for most terrorism in the regime. A fellow Kurdish security chief tells the New York Sun the same thing, emphasizing that Tehran’s support isn’t limited to Shiite groups and implicating the Irbil Five — whom Condi Rice, you might remember, wanted returned to Iran — in jihad:

In an interview yesterday inside his headquarters, the director of the security ministry for the Sulaimaniya province, Sarkawt Hassan Jalal, said he has no doubt Iran is helping send Sunni jihadists into his territory. He listed the five border towns on the Iranian side where he says they are based: Mariwan, Pejwan, Bokan, Sina, and Serdai.

For General Jalal, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s original group, known as Tawhid and Jihad, was sent by the Iranians and Al Qaeda to attack the Kurds and Americans. At the end of a 90-minute interview, he summed up his view of Iran as follows: “Iran is at the top of the terrorism in all the world. There will be peace in the world when you change the authorities in Iran.” He is in a position to know; Kurdish Islamist groups, by his count, tried to assassinate him on three separate occasions.

Those direct public remarks are almost singularly rare for a senior Kurdish official. When American forces on January 10 seized five Iranians it claimed were members of Iran’s elite Quds Force in the Kurdistan provincial capital of Irbil, Iraq’s foreign minister, Hoshyar Zebari, a Kurd, publicly urged the Americans to return the men he claimed were acting as diplomats. Privately, Kurdish officials say the supposed diplomats were supporting terrorists, providing maps and training, but that the raid failed to net any senior Iranian operatives despite initial intelligence suggesting the no. 3 man in the Quds Force was there.

Bear it in mind the next time you hear Democrats describing America’s and Iran’s “mutual interest in Iraqi stability.”

Update: Michael Totten writes to say that he takes exception to my calling him “Sullivan-esque” and to emphasize, lest there by any misunderstanding, that he doesn’t consider what the police chief did inappropriate given the fact that they’re in a war zone where different rules apply. Duly noted. I’ve offered him a comment account so maybe he’ll respond further below.


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The only heart-ache I saw was that they didn’t beat this guy within an inch of his life. That would most likely lead him to reform his ways very quickly.
No one should expect our allies to behave exactly like we would in the same situation. In all truth, the Iraqi (Kurdish) police know how to run their town better than we do.

old_dawg on April 25, 2007 at 5:58 PM

dang old_dawg, chill, i was already feeling bad for this guy, and you wanted him to get beat up so bad. lol. I remember when i was young living in another country(unnamed at this point) Someone stole something from the church, and his head was split open from constant blows (by non-church officials). I really felt bad for the guy, even though he stole something and was confessing to it. I think i ran aways b/c i couldnt stand someone getting mauled in front of me.
This is from someone that enjoys watching Mixed Martial Arts today

mainmann on April 25, 2007 at 6:29 PM

Good grief. It sounded like Totten was ready to call in the ACLU. I think the situation was handled perfectly. The police got everything they wanted, and now.
I don’t think any police force from America could handle these people properly. Not with the rules imposed on them here. Iraq is not the United States, and we shouldn’t expect it to be run like so.

oakpack on April 25, 2007 at 6:49 PM

Bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they bitch-slap you?

Tony737 on April 25, 2007 at 7:14 PM

This type of ‘measured restraint” is how a lot of cops in this country used to mete out justice, and some still do.

It has its good points……..

Janos Hunyadi on April 25, 2007 at 7:19 PM

How horrible..they slapped him around..they could have always tied his hands behind his back blindfolded him and tossed him off a four story building.

EnochCain on April 25, 2007 at 7:36 PM

This works.

SuperManGreenLantern on April 25, 2007 at 7:51 PM

Oakpack: Good grief. It sounded like Totten was ready to call in the ACLU.

No. My point is that lots of other Americans (not me) would be ready to call in the ACLU over an incident like this one if it happened in a place like Los Angeles.

Lightly slapping a violent punk in a war zone is not something I’m capable of getting upset about when I’m standing in a war zone myself. My immediate concerns were kidnappings and car bombs. I was *in* the war zone. Hand-wringing is for people who watch the war on TV from thousands of miles away.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Michael J. Totten

mjt001 on April 25, 2007 at 7:57 PM

It also used to be acceptable in this country to pop the neighbor’s kid upside the head when you caught him being stupid. Nothing at all wrong with well-measured and well-intentioned child training.

Mr. Totten, thanks for the response, I’m sure it set several things straight here.

Freelancer on April 25, 2007 at 8:23 PM

Meh…they should have just shot the little bastard, put an end to his driving people around who shot at inncoent civilians……..

Rock on…………..

doriangrey on April 25, 2007 at 8:32 PM

If the Dhems surrender successfully, then the Kurds are toast.

Mojave Mark on April 25, 2007 at 8:34 PM

That wouldn’t even count as a “tune up” by the Chicago PD…

I think Mr. Totten’s point is well made.

major john on April 25, 2007 at 9:41 PM

Worse … they could pink panties on his head and enraged the entire Arab continent!

Texas Gal on April 25, 2007 at 10:52 PM

The Kurdish Peshmerga are the shit. They provided some security for us on my last tour. They can be laid back (almost inappropriately) at times and they take some getting used to… but when it comes to dealing with terrorists there is no other Iraqis I’d rather have around. I’ve seen them kick their own soldiers ass that bad when they get out of line… why should they treat their enemies better? Just look at Kurdistan compared to the rest of Iraq… Harry Reid wouldn’t last 5 seconds in the Kurdish government..

BadBrad on April 25, 2007 at 10:52 PM

Trust me on this based on my conversations with U.S. Military contacts that I have had: the depicted actions of the Kurdish police in Kirkuk are absolutely necessary. That is what it takes there. Anything less just does not work.

Phil Byler on April 26, 2007 at 12:11 AM

Smack em all and let Mam Rostam sort em out!

csdeven on April 26, 2007 at 12:50 AM

That’s all thick skulls register, some times.

Smacking the bottom, after a certain age, no longer works.

Go for the top.

profitsbeard on April 26, 2007 at 2:18 AM

Hell … as few as thirty years ago, I watched some Portland police publicly tune up some moron who hit a child in the face with his fist.

People who had witnessed the original incident cheered the police on.

I would rather deal with somewhat rambunctious popo than I would have to deal with a fully militarized SWAT unit.

Kristopher on April 26, 2007 at 12:17 PM

No. My point is that lots of other Americans (not me) would be ready to call in the ACLU over an incident like this one if it happened in a place like Los Angeles.

If it happened in Los Angeles, it is still somewhat likely that the “victim” was a U.S. citizen with Constitutional rights. An important distinction nobody (but me) seems willing to make.

I don’t care that the Iraqi cops slap Iraqis around, except that I don’t want there to be any Iraqi cops, certainly no armed Iraqi cops.

What kept going through my mind was the thought, “You can take the barbarian out of Iraq, but you can’t take the barbarian out of the Iraqi.”

Hiraghm on April 26, 2007 at 1:02 PM


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