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Ayaan Hirsi Ali threat update

posted at 10:34 pm on April 23, 2007 by Bryan
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Sunday I posted about the Pittsburgh imam who said that Ayaan Hirsi Ali must die for leaving Islam. Today, a Jihad Watch reader picked up a phone and called the imam.

I called the number and someone picked up and said hello. I said I was calling with regard to Imam Fouad ElBayly.

The person on the other end said, “Speaking.” (!!!!)

Me: Is this Imam Fouad ElBayly?

ElBayly: Speaking.

Me: I understand that you called for the murder of Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

ElBayly: Oh no no, that was not correct.

Me: I have the quote right here. You said, “She has been identified as one who has defamed the faith. If you come into the faith, you must abide by the laws, and when you decide to defame it deliberately, the sentence is death.”

ElBayly: Yes, but that is not my word. That is the call of God.

Me: So you said that.

ElBayly: Before anybody gets into the relations with Islam [I couldn't type fast enough to type everything he said] … you don’t get into the relationship with Islam [...] what Ali did is called corruption on earth. It is worse than murder. She was disturbing the peace. That is not a peaceful life.

How many other Muslims in the US agree with him? This is a question that we really need answered, sooner rather than later.


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Islam: Sorry Wrong Number.

profitsbeard on April 23, 2007 at 10:46 PM

If that iman wants to see real “corruption on earth”, he should look in a mirror. It used to be called “incitement to commit a crime” but dhimni press refuses to call a spade a spade.

IrishEyes on April 23, 2007 at 10:46 PM

That is not a peaceful life.

But killing people for saying things you don’t like? Totally peaceful.

Pablo on April 23, 2007 at 10:50 PM

Bryan, you should check out this article by Christopher Hitchens on some encounters our founding fathers had with radical islam. Our country has been dealing with creeps like ElBayly, and fighting radical Islamists since it’s founding. Divine Providence, indeed.

thedecider on April 23, 2007 at 10:50 PM

Again, I call BS on the whole “Religion of Peace” clap-trap.

And what’s this all about……..

People, how many times are you going to hit the “snooze” button……..

PinkyBigglesworth on April 23, 2007 at 10:51 PM

A reader had to call. Not a reporter. Not law enforcement. A reader. Nice.

TheBigOldDog on April 23, 2007 at 10:51 PM

“How many Muslims in America agree with him?”
Too many I fear.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 23, 2007 at 10:53 PM

How do I get that phone number?

silenced majority on April 23, 2007 at 11:03 PM

“Oh no, I didn’t say that, Allah did, I was just repeating what Allah said.”

Uh huh, and in so doing, you called for the death of Ayaan. You are a menace and should be locked away. If I went on TV and said “Al Sharpton must die!” I’d be thrown in jail and rightly so. Turn youself into the local authorities, Mr. Imam, you’re too dangerous to be free.

“…worse than murder.”

Ya hear that? Worse than murder. What do we do to murderers? We kill them or incarcerate them for life. What should we do with someone who commits a crime “worse than murder” Mr. Imam? Talking out about how islam treats women is “worse than murder”. Where is the N.O.W. on this???

Tony737 on April 23, 2007 at 11:41 PM

Allah is one messed up poopy head.

Tim Burton on April 23, 2007 at 11:43 PM

If a female immigrant had accussed Christianity of harsh treatment of women leading to her becoming an atheist, and a Priest called for her death, just imagine how the N.O.W. would be all over it (and rightly so). But because Ayaan is black and an escapee of islam, the N.O.W. is just too busy attending more important issues, like defending the right to murder one’s own offspring. You know, priorities.

Why the referrence to race and the N.O.W.’s indifference? Read “The New American Revolution by Tammy Bruce and see what the N.O.W. thinks about minority women.

Tony737 on April 23, 2007 at 11:50 PM

How many other Muslims in the US agree with him? This is a question that we really need answered, sooner rather than later.

If they believe the Koran, and I’m guessing that’s why they became Muslims, then the answer is ALL of them.

Mojave Mark on April 24, 2007 at 12:25 AM

Separation of church and state?

How ’bout separation of Mosque and State of Mind?

they’re crazy. period.

shooter on April 24, 2007 at 12:33 AM

Not so easy to do. Actually, Tim Burton linked a site in his earlier post I haven’t seen in a while. It explains a lot. I’ll let you visit his post for the link:

Tim Burton on April 23, 2007 at 11:43 PM

thedecider on April 24, 2007 at 12:40 AM

I have come to the conclusion that the “moderate” Muslim is a myth. Muslims who do not actively support jihad are either “inactive” or support jihad in a clandestine manner.

Islamic doctrine is incompatable with Western values. Isalmic doctrine directs Muslims to conquer or kill the infidel and is not tolerant of others who do not beleive as they do.

When will the electorate and leaders of the United States recognize Islam and the Muslim for what they are?

omegaram on April 24, 2007 at 1:04 AM

In Genesis 12:1 God called Abram out of Ur of the Chaldees because the spiritual ruler of Ur of the Chaldees was Sin or Sen (Assyrian language) the moon god. Sen means the controller of the night. Sen’s emblem was the crescent moon. A prominent Assyrian King was even named King Sennacherib which means Sen multiplies his brothers. The worshipers of this false moon god also used a lunar calendar, just like Muslims today. They also worshiped a black stone that was kept in a curtained cube they called the kaahaba (not sure of the spelling) and practiced most of the rituals the Muslims practice to this day. The kaahaba later became the Kaaba. Sen later became el-ellah, that name in turn became Allah when Mohamed became possessed and repackaged the religion to be a monolithic religion in order to keep the wealthy caravans going to Mecca, the center of all pagan worship at that time. So you see, Mohamed did not start this religion, Satan did long ago! If Mohamed had started this religion his father would not have the name Abda- Allah. It is my belief that this world is dealing with powers far more horrible than any nightmare any of us can dream. Our only comfort is in Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ !! Amen

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man”

abinitioadinfinitum on April 24, 2007 at 1:09 AM

I don’t know what the law is there, but if you can, taping a conversation is always a good idea.

I know here in Ohio and I think most states, as long as one person (the caller counts) knows the convo is being taped, then it’s legal. The one person thing is so that someone can’t tap another’s phone, but perfectly ok to tap your own.

- The Cat

P.S. That’s how you do it. Not treatening, I assume not yelling, professional and to the point.

MirCat on April 24, 2007 at 1:18 AM

Here is a link on how to record phone calls! ;)

Should work for next time!

liquidflorian on April 24, 2007 at 1:31 AM

I know here in Ohio and I think most states, as long as one person (the caller counts) knows the convo is being taped, then it’s legal.
MirCat on April 24, 2007 at 1:18 AM

Typically, for purposes of using a taped conversation in court, the taped person has to know in advance, and agree to have the conversation taped. There are instances where a judge can allow a taped conversation to be admissable evidence if the other doesn’t know they are being taped, but those cases are the exception, and are judged on a case-by-case situation. Recorded phone conversations are becoming more common, but people don’t understand individual state laws regarding this. They really should understand how their state treats these conversations. It’s also interesting that if you’re talking to someone from a business and inform them you are recording the conversation, they can deny you service and refuse to speak to you.

thedecider on April 24, 2007 at 1:35 AM

Let me see if I’ve got this right:

1) It’s not OK to publicly threaten someone with death unless you’re Muslim and they are not.

2) It’s not OK to discriminate against women, force them to wear shapeless bags on those few occasions that you allow them out of the house, kill them (even you own sister if you want!) if you catch them as much as talking to a male not approved of by the family, stone them to death if they have had an affair, put them in jail for the crime of being raped, not allowed to drive a car, hold an un-approved job, etc., unless you and/or they are Muslim.

3) Freedom of speech is a god-given right, unless you are talking to, about, with, in the company of a Muslim, or in any other way that might contact any Muslim ever from now until the end of time.

4) Its a crime to have sex with under-age girls, unless your a Muslim and then you can marry her at the age of 7 and have sex with her at the age of 9…….whether she wants to get married/have sex or not.

5) What you and whoever you partner do in private is your own business, except if you are Muslim, in which case you may be beaten, stoned to death, buried alive, hung or simply shot for what the “Church” calls “un-Islamic acts”.

6) The right to protect yourself is a right that has existed always in all living creatures from the moment God created them, unless your being attacked by a Muslim, in which case you have the right to stand there and take it, even if that means you and your family die, or for that matter if your entire nation is destroyed.

7) It’s the world’s responsibility to save uncounted people in uncounted places in Africa from genocide (sorry, I’m not allowed to say who is doing the killing, see the rule above) unless your a Muslim. In which case it doesn’t matter how many people die, after all, they weren’t/aren’t Muslims. The only exception here is if it is Muslims getting killed, in which case the entire nation where it occurred must be “cleared” of all non Muslims, then all nations that had even the most tenuous connection to the perpetrators must be “converted” for inciting it (after all, it’s always the fault of the non-Muslim). PS rumors count here as fact.

……..

45,728) Honour and loyalty are traits that should be demonstrated in all of your dealings with all people, unless your a Muslim, in which case you only owe loyalty to other Muslims, unless, of course, they are not your brand of Muslim, umm, unless they are a business rival, from another town, listening to a different Imam, etc….

45,729) Vengeance is to be meted out by God, unless your a Muslim, in which case vengeance is the province of man in the guise of the morality police (or any other “pious Muslim”), who may or may not decide to kill you and your family, burn your business, etc.

I’ve already gone on too long, but you get the point. What I would like to see is someone on the far left explain how all the above and volumes more squares with their liberal view of the world. “Not better or worse, just different” is crap. The first barrier is to get the left-winger to get past that one, to be able to say “living in our society is better than living in one ruled by a pre-medieval, genocidal (even against themselves), discriminating, misogynistic theocracy ruled by tribal warlord and governed by the rule of the sword (gun, bomb, chlorine gas, radioactive agents, RPGs, or whatever else that can be gotten in hand) as directed by religious leader who are impervious to irony, immune to logic, and completely dismissive about the value of human life.

I grew up in the 60s and 70s and I wonder often how such a (to me at the time) beautiful movement with such high ideals became such a champion and purveyor of hate, discrimination and murder.

P. James Moriarty on April 24, 2007 at 1:46 AM

abinitioadinfinitum-be careful, friend, in adding to scripture, which is wrong. I just checked Genesis 12 and it says nothing-Nothing-about any Moon god. God called Abram out of Ur not because of any local ‘god’, but because God had a plan to bless ‘all the families of the earth’ through Abram/Abraham.

Genesis 12:1-8
“1Now the LORD said to Abram,

“Go forth from your country,

And from your relatives

And from your father’s house,

To the land which I will show you;

2 And I will make you a great nation,

And I will bless you,

And make your name great;

And so you shall be a blessing;

3 And I will bless those who bless you,

And the one who curses you I will curse.

And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

4So Abram went forth as the LORD had spoken to him; and Lot went with him. Now Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. 5Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his nephew, and all their possessions which they had accumulated, and the persons which they had acquired in Haran, and they set out for the land of Canaan; thus they came to the land of Canaan. 6Abram passed through the land as far as the site of Shechem, to the oak of Moreh. Now the Canaanite was then in the land. 7The LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the LORD who had appeared to him. 8Then he proceeded from there to the mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east; and there he built an altar to the LORD and called upon the name of the LORD.”

For those of you keeping score at home, Israel, the Middle East, the entire world, all of Creation belong to God, and He gave the land we know as Israel (AND a whole lot more acreage)to Abraham, Isaac, and the children of the Promise-the Jews. Read Psalm 2 for next week’s headlines.

Doug on April 24, 2007 at 1:51 AM

If they believe the Koran, and I’m guessing that’s why they became Muslims, then the answer is ALL of them.

Mojave Mark on April 24, 2007 at 12:25 AM

Connie on April 24, 2007 at 2:04 AM

We should be passing his number out to all teens who have a sleep over :P

Highrise on April 24, 2007 at 3:18 AM

The Pennsylvania Attorney General has not responded to my email on this subject.

Zorro on April 24, 2007 at 6:38 AM

Bryan, you should check out this article by Christopher Hitchens on some encounters our founding fathers had with radical islam. Our country has been dealing with creeps like ElBayly, and fighting radical Islamists since it’s founding. Divine Providence, indeed.

thedecider on April 23, 2007 at 10:50 PM

Remember, the First Barbary War was started when Jefferson refused to pay the annual ransom duty so that the muslim city-states in North Africa would leave American merchant ships alone. The Barbary pirates kidnapped American citizens and held them for ransom. Jefferson had a backbone and told them to get lost – sending five Constitution class capital ships full of Marines to make his point.

However, after the US won the war, the US State Department paid the ransom off anyway.

Sound familiar?

The US Department of State: betraying American interests in the world for over 200 years…

Wanderlust on April 24, 2007 at 6:41 AM

Try that number again with sound board with Arnold and a tape recorder.

Coronagold on April 24, 2007 at 6:47 AM

Doug on April 24, 2007 at 1:51 AM

I believe “abinitioadinfinitum on April 24, 2007 at 1:09 AM” was trying to supply the readers with an extra-biblcal historical context for the call of Abram, not God’s purpose of the call, as supplied in Genesis 12:1-8. I don’t think the intention is “adding to scripture”. Maybe the use of the word “because” was the problem.

BNCurtis on April 24, 2007 at 9:17 AM

So who has contacted the prosecutor in Johnstown to request he/she investigate the alleged incitement to murder? Who has contacted the local papers to request that they pursue the story? It is up to us as citizens to insure our institutions are performing.

paulsur on April 24, 2007 at 9:42 AM

Doug,
You are right, it is wrong to ad too, subtract from or change scripture in any way. As I reread my post it does give the impression that I was “quoting” scripture, that was not my intent. Most of what I wrote was an interpretation of scripture and knowledge of Islam and history. I obviously didn’t do such a good job, and in no way want to be seen that I am changing scripture. So here is a link to a Ministry that I learn from Koinonia House Online. A large part of it is in audio so you can listen for Free. I’m sure you will find it interesting if nothing else. Dr. Missler is a good friend of Hal Lindsey, whom I see you have a link to on your Blog, which I look forward to reading.
.
Thank You for your correction.
God Bless You
Jesus is Lord

abinitioadinfinitum on April 24, 2007 at 10:07 AM

Caution,
It will be like taking the RED pill in the matrix.
Truth is stranger than Fiction!
God Bless

abinitioadinfinitum on April 24, 2007 at 10:24 AM

45,729) Vengeance is to be meted out by God, unless your a Muslim, in which case vengeance is the province of man in the guise of the morality police (or any other “pious Muslim”), who may or may not decide to kill you and your family, burn your business, etc.

– Moriarity

This is an important point that is not emphasized often enough. Islamic scripture repeatedly calls upon self-appointed goon squads to carry out earthly punishment on others. A religion? Or a totalitarian socio-political ideology?

forest on April 24, 2007 at 10:31 AM

How many other Muslims in the US agree with him? This is a question that we really need answered, sooner rather than later.

I say we round up every Muslim and question them, and if they don’t answer they should be suspected of collaborating with the terrorists!!!!

Nonfactor on April 24, 2007 at 11:05 AM

I grew up in the 60s and 70s and I wonder often how such a (to me at the time) beautiful movement with such high ideals became such a champion and purveyor of hate, discrimination and murder.
P. James Moriarty on April 24, 2007 at 1:46 AM

some smoked (and are still smoking- i.e. bill&hill) some bad weed.

as for islamothreats….islamoviolence.
The first ever attack by a foreign militia against the United States of America was by MUSLIMS off the Ivory Coast in 1795. or something like that.
Back when muslims biggest commerce was trade- in slaves. They started their big slave trade with pedophile mo. It’s waht they do. Convert or kill, then take everything the man had, his family included.

shooter on April 24, 2007 at 2:02 PM

I say we round up every Muslim and question them, and if they don’t answer they should be suspected of collaborating with the terrorists!!!!

Nonfactor on April 24, 2007 at 11:05 AM

Did you forget to take your meds again?

I’m not saying do what you are sarcastically suggesting, although that is exactly what would happen (if not worse) to Christians in a Muslim country.

silenced majority on April 24, 2007 at 3:18 PM

Well … even if a judge won’t accept the tape recording in court, it can still be repeatedly posted on the internet for our edification.

Kristopher on April 24, 2007 at 4:59 PM

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