Video: O’Donnell on VTech shootings — wrong on the facts, wrong on the law

posted at 8:46 pm on April 22, 2007 by Allahpundit

First he identifies Cho’s weapons as automatic, i.e., capable of firing repeatedly so long as the trigger is held down. Wrong: both were semi-automatics, requiring a fresh trigger pull for each shot. Then he repeats the media canard about the purported ban on “high-capacity magazines” that expired when the assault-weapons ban lapsed three years ago. Wrong again: as Bob Owens explains, the AWB merely banned the manufacture of those magazines. Sale, purchase, and ownership of inventory that was already on the market all remained perfectly legal. (According to Wikipedia, Dylan Klebold used three high-capacity magazines during the Columbine massacre, which occurred while the AWB was in effect.) In fact, irrespective of what type of weapon was used, O’Donnell’s simply wrong when he describes Cho as “spraying bullets”: survivors say he was methodical, returning to some classrooms after he had left to work his way through the aisles and pump bullets into the wounded at close range.

So misinformed is he that I’m tempted to assume it’s willful. But I’m sure it isn’t — if the left’s leadership on gun control doesn’t know what it’s talking about, why should a B-list pundit like Scary Larry? Besides, he may be an ignoramus but he emotes wonderfully. Not since his infamous appearance on Dennis Miller’s old show with the late, great Cathy Seipp have neck veins throbbed quite so righteously.

The clip has been edited slightly for brevity.


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Ignorant, yet brimming with confidence.

JammieWearingFool on April 22, 2007 at 8:55 PM

I haven’t seen anything to back it up yet, but rumor is that he learned how to reload with one hand while shooting with the other. Something to do with a magnetic belt thing stuff.

- The Cat

MirCat on April 22, 2007 at 8:58 PM

I would love to see that Dennis Miller: Seipp/O’Dumba** clip.

Tru2my2 on April 22, 2007 at 9:01 PM

Mr. O’Donnell is spewing propaganda. Not one word of truth. Where is the “truth detector”?

Zorro on April 22, 2007 at 9:06 PM

Cat-
Combat reloading is really not too difficult at all. No special equipment needed. Since the magazine well is in the grip of the weapon, it is as easy as bringing your hands together. If he was wearing a vest or web gear with magazine pouches it would take little to no practice to be relatively fast. Empty mag falls to the floor, new mag goes in.
Anybody here very familiar with the Glock 19? I’m kind of old school and stick to my 1911 style or a Browning HP. Does the Glock include any mechanism that might interfere with the magazine simply sliding out? The BHP has that mag safety that has to come out for a smooth drop.

TBinSTL on April 22, 2007 at 9:08 PM

Not just with Ms Seipp. He also waxed poetic on John O’Neill, screeching “YOU LIAR! YOU LIAR” repeatedly. Ian has a clip I am sure.

He deserves a “HotAir Hall of Shame” wing all to him.

He is an embarrassment to himself, and cannot control or contain himself.

CrimsonFisted on April 22, 2007 at 9:09 PM

O’Donnell is a scumbag.

Facts never get in the way of his personal attacks.

Is it true he’s Rosie’s brother?

drjohn on April 22, 2007 at 9:12 PM

That’s all the leftists can do is lie. The truth is not on their side.

roninacreage on April 22, 2007 at 9:15 PM

Glock manufactures a “non drop” magazine and a “drop free” magazine. The “non drop” magazine has a slight bow in the plastic, making it thicker in the center, requiring you to pull the magazine out.

m1a1usmc on April 22, 2007 at 9:15 PM

I haven’t seen anything to back it up yet, but rumor is that he learned how to reload with one hand while shooting with the other. Something to do with a magnetic belt thing stuff.

And I’ve heard he took up to a minute to reload his firearms. That’s an utter ‘tard at work there.

HerrMorgenholz on April 22, 2007 at 9:17 PM

This sort of cluelessness would be laughed off the set of any sports panel show. Why do we tolerate it in our political discussion? O’Donnell is either an idiot or he thinks we are.

Jeffersonian on April 22, 2007 at 9:21 PM

The Bible describes liberal minds best…

“…thinking themselves wise, they became fools…”.

NRA4Freedom on April 22, 2007 at 9:24 PM

What is it with the last name O’Donnell? I don’t think I have ever seen this guy that he doesn’t go ballistic. Pat did his best, but O’Donnell is just a way better screamer/neck vein bulger.

Glynn on April 22, 2007 at 9:26 PM

This type of gun hate fanatic is entirely representative of this cults rush to disinform the public and demonize the right to self defense and oppose government tyranny.

Our lawmakers have felt the bruising of pro second amendment supporters before and will again if this lunacy goes too far.

Those poor kids at VTech were like chickens put up for the night in the coop, confined and completely defenseless when the Weasel came to kill them.

From Patriot Post:

“Virginia Tech has a very sound policy”
In 2002, at the Appalachian School of Law just up the road from Virginia Tech, a Nigerian student, who had flunked out, returned to campus, murdered three people and wounded three others. Fortunately, his killing spree was interrupted by two students who had retrieved handguns from their vehicles and held the murderer at gunpoint until police arrived.

This intervention was not unprecedented.

In 1997, an assistant principal in Pearl, Mississippi, retrieved a handgun from his car and apprehended a murderer. A few days later, a copycat assault in Edinboro, Pennsylvania, ended after a nearby merchant wielding a shotgun forced the attacker to surrender. Off campus, it is estimated conservatively that gun owners use their weapons defensively more than 1.3 million times each year.

With that as a backdrop, last spring Virginia Tech admonished a student for having a handgun on campus—never mind that the student had a state-issued concealed-carry permit.

That admonishment was a motivating factor behind a proposed bill before the Virginia legislature to prevent academic institutions from enacting “rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed-handgun permit… from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun.”

The legislation died in committee, prompting Tech’s associate vice president, Larry Hincker, to praise the General Assembly in a Roanoke (Virginia) Times op-ed: “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus. We believe guns don’t belong in the classroom. In an academic environment, we believe you should be free from fear.” Yea, that worked great.

A month later, there was a murder near Tech’s campus, prompting a lockdown.

In response, Tech grad student Bradford Wiles penned an op-ed in the campus paper calling on the school to allow those with concealed-carry permits to carry guns on campus should they choose.

Larry Hincker emerged again, protesting, “[I]t is absolutely mind-boggling to see the opinions of Bradford Wiles. Surely, [the editors] scratched their heads saying, ‘I can’t believe he really wants to say that.’ Guns don’t belong in classrooms. They never will. Virginia Tech has a very sound policy preventing same.”

Congratulations Mr. Hinkler. Your “sound policy” created a “safe campus” for only one student—Cho Seung-Hui—who was able to slaughter 32 people without interruption.

Emphasis mine.

Speakup on April 22, 2007 at 9:27 PM

Ha what a great person to have oppose you. I may not be a gun afficionado but even I know he’s not “spraying” anyone with a glock or .22

Dash on April 22, 2007 at 9:27 PM

Hey wait…he knows what he’s talking about cuz like his whole family are lawyers okay?

The Late great Cathy said…I get credit for is Lawrence O’Donnell an idiot on O’Donnell’s retarded interview on Hugh Hewitt

Make sure the entire blogosphere knows that I’m the one who asked is O’Donnell an idiot. Let me make it clear, the person who suggested this question to me is not a psychologist. The person who suggested the question to me is an idiot, OK?

Topsecretk9 on April 22, 2007 at 9:29 PM

O’Donnell = Dork

I just don’t think he is smart enough to have written this himself. You gotta know that someone wrote this speach for him and he didn’t check his facts first. He just liked what the speach said so he went with it.

Lawrence on April 22, 2007 at 9:31 PM

Tomorrow’s headline:

“Cho kills 32 students with lightning from his eyes and balls for fire from his arse.”

unamused on April 22, 2007 at 9:31 PM

If Cho did kill those people without an automatic weapon, it was the first time in history a gunman was able to pull a trigger repeatedly.
In other news, this was reported in China as chingity chong chong Cho, chinka ching chong gun.
Futhermore, Walmart and Karl Rove.

MayBee on April 22, 2007 at 9:36 PM

The Liberals got their gun “free zone“, they just can’t get their heads around the fact it was a bad idea. Liberals are some of the loudest most uneducated people I know. Talk about clueless with an attitude, they have it hands down. Defenseless does not make you safer. That’s why we have the second amendment. Our fore fathers knew that 235 years ago. What part of that don’t they understand?

KCtheKat on April 22, 2007 at 9:36 PM

Lord, what an awful man. Stupid, AND a bully. I bet if he has a daughter he calls her a thoughtless little pig.

Do facts mean anything to these idiots?

juliesa on April 22, 2007 at 9:36 PM

Yeh, but the bottom line is this man got the coveted, all powerful media exposure that sensible people don’t get – who are shut out by the MSM. Therefore, his ignorant (in the classical definition of the word – not knowing anything about the subject) rant goes out to the audience first, to scare them and them all excited.
First out sets the terms of debate.

naliaka on April 22, 2007 at 9:37 PM

If anyone remembers that glass box I suggested be placed in the capital, with an unloaded Smith and Wesson 9mm semi-automatic pistol, an empty magazine next to it, along with a box of ammo, and a timer set to stop when “the gun” fired without “human” interference…………. the clock is still ticking.

Yeah, blame the “gun”, the “magazine”, even the “ammunition”, but God forbid, NEVER blame the person that assembles, loads, aims, and fires……….

IDIOT….

PinkyBigglesworth on April 22, 2007 at 9:41 PM

For just a minute, I was doing that Kids in the Hall “I’m squishing your head on him.” It felt good.

Glynn on April 22, 2007 at 9:41 PM

Tomorrow’s headline:

“Cho kills 32 students with lightning from his eyes and balls for fire from his arse.”

unamused on April 22, 2007 at 9:31 PM

Foul on compairing him to William Wallace.

- The Cat

MirCat on April 22, 2007 at 9:47 PM

In trying to shout down John O’Neill, Larry O’Donnell used tactics that Hitler would have applauded. O’Donnell is evil, a liar, a bully, and aa fascist.

JimC on April 22, 2007 at 9:55 PM

The Dimms don’t want the public to know the truth about guns or abortion, partial birth or any kind. Because if the facts become known to the swing voters the Dimms lose in a big way.

abinitioadinfinitum on April 22, 2007 at 10:01 PM

My brother refers to this style as “Strong and Wrong”, or as Belushi said in Animal House:

“Did you say ‘over’? Nothing’s is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bomber Pearl Harbor?! Hell, no!”

(“Germans?”)

(“Forget it, he’s rolling…”)

“And it ain’t over now!”

As for O’Donnell, you’re the boss, AP. I think he’s a lying bag of douches, but if you say he’s just a dangerously stupid little castrated liberal twit … well, so be it.

Jaibones on April 22, 2007 at 10:09 PM

As for the very popular notion of Lawrence O’Donnell being a “bully”, I can’t hardly think of a funnier image. This cowardly little piece of snot may be insane, but he couldn’t bully the baby sitter.

He’s a Grade A Pansy.

Jaibones on April 22, 2007 at 10:11 PM

What an idiot. But as we all know, it doesn’t matter if he is factually correct or not. What matters is that he is emotional and loud. That way he can spread his bull and drown out anyone attempting to set the facts straight.

jarhead05 on April 22, 2007 at 10:30 PM

Okay, so he got a few facts wrong. Are we going to hold that against him?

Guess so. :)

Bob's Kid on April 22, 2007 at 10:33 PM

Dammit, I was expecting this guy to be on Rosie O’Donnell’s show telling her how wrong she is

And he turns out to be another O’Donnell all by himself. Yes, I’ve never heard of him.

Although come to think of it, I see a pattern forming here..

Reaps on April 22, 2007 at 10:33 PM

IF HE SAYS IT LOUD ENOUGH IT BECOMES TRUE, -MSM TRUE.

The only kind that matters to such self-intoxicated blowhards.

profitsbeard on April 22, 2007 at 10:42 PM

Glynn,

For just a minute, I was doing that Kids in the Hall “I’m squishing your head on him.” It felt good.

Here’s a fun way to pass some time. Create a new folder on your desktop and name it Lawrence O’Donnell. Then drag it over to the recycle bin. A dialog box will pop up asking “Are you sure you want to delete Lawrence O’Donnell?”

You know what to do.

Pablo on April 22, 2007 at 10:43 PM

O’Donnell is in the category of Olbermann – ignorant righteous militant propagandists.

Candidate for “Best person of the world”.

Entelechy on April 22, 2007 at 11:08 PM

Well, not that TMG is really worth the effort, but you could always send them a note and let them know that you’ve forgotten more about guns than this schwanzlicher will ever know:

comments@mclaughlin.com

Jaibones on April 22, 2007 at 11:46 PM

Anybody here very familiar with the Glock 19? I’m kind of old school and stick to my 1911 style or a Browning HP. Does the Glock include any mechanism that might interfere with the magazine simply sliding out?

Not in the slightest. Hit the release and it’s all gravity. Feels like there might even be a bit of tension in there helping it come out, actually.

Blacklake on April 22, 2007 at 11:59 PM

And I’ve heard he took up to a minute to reload his firearms. That’s an utter ‘tard at work there.

If that turns out to be true, I will jump off my high horse of not condemning the students for not acting.

If the jackass fumbles a magazine change for more than a couple of second, stab him to death with a pencil. Beat him to death with your desk. Strangle him with your belt, whatever.

Oh, And O’Donnell’s a CREEPY LIAR!!!ELEVEN!!1!

Merovign on April 23, 2007 at 12:17 AM

Is he a bisexual psycho racist murderer?

John from WuzzaDem on April 23, 2007 at 12:23 AM

Hey Scarey Larry stop already with the pointing and the finger and the yelling! He probably thinks when Pat says magazine he means guns and ammo! Ditto on his dorkness.

sonnyspats1 on April 23, 2007 at 12:39 AM

Reporters no longer trifle over, what do you call them, oh yes, facts. They have a template and an agenda which they view as more important than what actually happened. Reporters are now merely propagandists for the Dhemocrats and nothing more.

Mojave Mark on April 23, 2007 at 12:43 AM

Not in the slightest. Hit the release and it’s all gravity. Feels like there might even be a bit of tension in there helping it come out, actually.

Blacklake on April 22, 2007 at 11:59 PM

Actually, m1a1usmc is right. Depends on the mag. The mags for my Glock .40 require you pull them out.

SnakeintheGrass on April 23, 2007 at 12:46 AM

Larry O’d's on himself. The first law of liberal dynamics is never bother with reality. It’s too messy.

Doug on April 23, 2007 at 12:54 AM

Mojave Mark,

Yep, the story’s already written, all they do is fill in the names, places and dates.

Spiny Norman on April 23, 2007 at 1:31 AM

Glynn,

For just a minute, I was doing that Kids in the Hall “I’m squishing your head on him.” It felt good.
Here’s a fun way to pass some time. Create a new folder on your desktop and name it Lawrence O’Donnell. Then drag it over to the recycle bin. A dialog box will pop up asking “Are you sure you want to delete Lawrence O’Donnell?”

You know what to do.

Pablo on April 22, 2007 at 10:43 PM

Pablo,
BRILLIANT! Thank you.
Glynn

Glynn on April 23, 2007 at 1:46 AM

How many school shootings would there be if all teachers were issued AR-15s?

It’s not such an extreme idea. While not all Israeli teachers are armed, many are. This is because of all the terrorist atrocities that have targeted school. It’s also in addition to armed guards that all Israeli schools have.

rokemronnie on April 23, 2007 at 1:48 AM

Damn about the only thing O’Donnell got right was that he did not call mags clips.

Other then that he was wrong on facts/details in every way.

F15Mech on April 23, 2007 at 1:50 AM

“So misinformed is he that I’m tempted to assume it’s willful.”

It is. He’s lying through his teeth and he knows it.

This lying hatefull man is half the reason why I no longer watch McLaughlin.

Then there is that shrill witch, Eleanor….The other reason I skip the show.

georgej on April 23, 2007 at 5:53 AM

Puerile rantings from a moron.

Wil on April 23, 2007 at 7:01 AM

Yet another ignorant moron with a platform. Makes me want to puke.

Viper1 on April 23, 2007 at 7:33 AM

I don’t understand how this blowhard is still invited on shows, besides Oblermann.. After his “creepy liar” outburst I figured that he wore out his welcome but I guess not. It appears that the public has an appetite for illinformed, raging and borderline psycho lefties. Whodda thunk it?

madmonaco on April 23, 2007 at 8:33 AM

God, I hate it when somebody makes Pat Buchanan look intelligent and reasonable.

morganfrost on April 23, 2007 at 9:07 AM

He’s a disgrace to Dorchester (a Boston neighborhood where he grew up). Despite Massachusetts strict gun control laws, Larry’s old neighborhood has become a shooting gallery. It’s so bad the NYC Guardian Angeles came to Dorchester to start patrolling the streets.

Come home Larry and enjoy the benefits of your Liberal utopia.

Police investigating death of teen found on side of Dorchester street. BOSTON (AP)

DORCHESTER, Mass. – A teenage girl died and her great aunt left in critical

A shooting in Dorchester left one dead and two suspects on the run.

On Tuesday night, four young men were shot to death in a home in the city’s Dorchester neighborhood.

I could go on and on…

Come home Larry. Come home.

TheBigOldDog on April 23, 2007 at 9:08 AM

O’Donnell: “Let me tell you who was on that campus. There were kids on that campus who were brave enough and big enough to stop one person with a gun unless it was an automatic weapon that could spray the bullets. Just spray them, Pat. That’s why they couldn’t stop him.

So I assume O’Donnell knows he wrong about this by now. I’m wondering if he’s going to come out and say now that he was also mistaken about how big and how brave he thought the students were, since they weren’t able to stop a guy that did indeed have to squeeze each bullet and not spray them. This guy is a first class scumbag.

greggish on April 23, 2007 at 9:55 AM

How can that man NOT KNOW that what he is saying is entirely bogus? O’Donnel HAS to be a completely overemotional idioy, OR a willful illusionist who disposes of facts when they get in the way of his agenda. Since when did free speech protection apply to lying to the nation?

USA, all the way!

ValhallaMike on April 23, 2007 at 10:53 AM

His wife Norah is just as clueless as he is!

Gooch on April 23, 2007 at 11:12 AM

O’Donnell”There are some bad teachers, yes, I’ve never met them in the California system as long as my child’s been in it.”

Me: “Because he kills them.”

Hee. I miss her.

Tanya on April 23, 2007 at 11:38 AM

According to the IACP (that famously liberal organization…)

While most rifles are designed to be fired from the shoulder and depend upon the accuracy of a precisely aimed projectile, semi-automatic assault weapons are designed to maximize lethal effects through a rapid rate of fire.

This from their letter to Congress urging reauthorization of the AWB.

honora on April 23, 2007 at 2:29 PM

honora,

The portion of the IACP letter you quoted from is referring not to handguns, but assault rifles designed to be spray-shot from the hip.

angler on April 23, 2007 at 2:47 PM

honora,

The portion of the IACP letter you quoted from is referring not to handguns, but assault rifles designed to be spray-shot from the hip.

angler on April 23, 2007 at 2:47 PM

I don’t read it that way. The letter urges the reauthorization of the AWB, which includes semi-automatic handguns. I took this paragraph to highlight the difference between hunting rifles and rapid fire weapons, be they handguns or rifles. I could be wrong, but the point remains that the police chiefs support the AWB.

honora on April 23, 2007 at 4:11 PM

honora,

Maybe so, but the fact is that the guns used by Cho (a Glock-19 and a Walther P-22) have never been considered “assault weapons” and have never been banned by the AWB. The only handguns banned by the AWB are the Calico M-110, MAC-10, MAC-11, MPA-3, Olympic Arms OA, TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22, Scorpion AB10, and the Uzi.

angler on April 23, 2007 at 4:43 PM

Honora, the ’94 AWB did NOT include semi auto handguns. And, furthermore, any firearm could be fired from the hip in a “spray and pray” fashion, you just wouldn’t be accurate. As for highlighting the differences between hunting rifles and rapid fire weapons…it all depends on how rapidly you pull the trigger on your hunting rifle. If you pull it “rapidly” enough, it suddenly becomes “rapid fire”. Understand? My AR15 fires no more rapidly than my Browning deer rifle. As a matter of fact, the AR15 is considerably less powerful than my 30-06 deer rifle. Tennessee doesn’t consider it powerful enough to humanely take medium sized game. My AK47, however, meets the caliber requirement, as it displays ballistics similar to the most popular deer cartridge ever–the 30-30. So, you see, I do need an AK47 for hunting.

Barntender on April 23, 2007 at 4:46 PM

A triumph of rage over reason.

Tantor on April 23, 2007 at 5:01 PM

Honora, the ‘94 AWB did NOT include semi auto handguns.

From the text of the 94 legislation:

(b) DEFINITION OF SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:

`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon’ means–

`(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of–

`(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

`(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;

`(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

`(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

`(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and

Maybe I am confused, not a big gun person. Is a “semi auto handgun” different from a “semiautomatic pistol”?

honora on April 23, 2007 at 5:25 PM

honora, most handguns are semi-automatic nowadays. All semi-automatic means is that you load via magazine and don’t have to re-cock the gun each time you shoot. Legal semi-automatic handguns or pistols have magazines that load inside the pistol grip. The 94 legislation prohibited those that have at least 2 magazines that can be attached outside of the pistol grip, (see your qualifiers above). In other words, it has to be capable of firing many rounds without re-loading. A normal semi-automatic handgun only allows one magazine, (cartidge full of bullets) at a time inside the gun.

foxforce91 on April 23, 2007 at 5:43 PM

CREEPY LIAR!!!”
I remember after Larry’s meltdown with John O’Neil he disappeared for awhile…I think he was sent to a hospital to recover….hahahahhahaha

Mellen on April 23, 2007 at 7:54 PM

Uh, that’s ONE detachable mag that is not inside the pistol grip.

Plus any two of the following other evil wicked mean and nasty items, like a sheetmetal barrel shroud.

However, the things belong to the almost useless class of “assault pistols” which, while having the unweildy size and weight of a submachine gun, are semi-automatic and designed to shoot the same caliber bullets as standard semi-automatic handguns. “Hollywood” looks that would appeal to the juvenile mindset (no matter their physical age) the things are larger than a pistol like the Glock, therefore harder to conceal and in reality have no real firepower advantage.

A disadvantag of these things might be pointed out here: Since they do indeed look exactly like their fully automatic submachinegun counterparts, an idiot with one out on the street at night should expect an officer or armed citizen to retaliate as if it was one.
Not that it matters, the whole thing is just as stupid and shows about as much knowledge of firearms as this hollering fool did.

.

The Machine on April 23, 2007 at 8:13 PM