CNN anchor: Carbon credits = indulgences

posted at 1:50 pm on April 21, 2007 by Ian

CNN business correspondent Ali Velshi said carbon credits is like the idea that “you’re paying” for your sins, and a way for companies to buy their “sins.”

Didn’t Martin Luther tack up a rebellion to this kind of thing a few centuries ago?

Transcript:

ALI VELSHI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, this is good. There’s a very sophisticated market developing. The trade in something called carbon offset credits. It allows companies who pollute to basically buy their way out of their sins. Now, some people think it is a good idea. Others think it’s a lot of bull.

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VELSHI: It’s exactly the same idea. You can do it on an individual level or a corporate level. It’s the idea that you’re paying or you’re making up for your pollution and your sins.

(h/t Newsbusters)

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I made this argument a few months back when Al Gore’s excessive electrical use came to light.

http://www.lorien1973.com/global-warming-al-gore-tithes-and-indulgences/

lorien1973 on April 21, 2007 at 1:56 PM

Without a verifying link, I made this point the first time I looked at what Kyoto really represented. It was exactly like the medieval Catholic indulgences. Your guilt becomes someone else’s profit. Of course, it requires that you believe they are in a position to effect the absolution you are seeking. If the consuming public trusts that the seller of carbon credits is actually using your money to do environmental good, people will pay to play.

What was it P.T. Barnum said happened every minute?

Freelancer on April 21, 2007 at 2:11 PM

I’m still considering starting a carbon credit business though. Why not? All you have to do is, not do stuff, and people pay you not to do it!

lorien1973 on April 21, 2007 at 2:12 PM

What is really stupid is the percentage of Americans who believe that offsets mean less pollution.

drjohn on April 21, 2007 at 2:37 PM

It’s a new tax, nothing more than a global tax. One that the poor will not be able to afford, then we’ll have only movie stars and politicians driving and flying and they will never again have to be bothered by seeing the common man at their fancy beaches.

Gwillie on April 21, 2007 at 2:44 PM

“Sins” is an interesting word for the loons.

They accept no moral sins as defined by religion, but they do define sins of the enviromental variety.

csdeven on April 21, 2007 at 2:55 PM

I was wondering how long it was going to take the Party of Class Warware to clue into this.

aero on April 21, 2007 at 3:04 PM

What is really stupid is the percentage of Americans who believe that offsets mean less pollution.

drjohn on April 21, 2007 at 2:37 PM

Spin doctors have always been around. Foolish are those who follow them in sheep-over-the-cliff fashion.

What is even more stupid is for those who otherwise pretend to be erudite, nuanced and sophisticated to fall for this.

What is insulting is for same breed to believe that all of us are stupid to fall for their profiteering shenanigans.

Entelechy on April 21, 2007 at 3:28 PM

Wunderbar!

locomotivebreath1901 on April 21, 2007 at 3:41 PM

Hey, was that Kieran Chetry? Hawt…

Jaibones on April 21, 2007 at 3:43 PM

Folks we all leave behind a carbon credit every time we have a bowel movement.

So the sin is forgiven and we can all go back to living our lives.

Kini on April 21, 2007 at 3:45 PM

Good thing AlGored set up his carbon offset scam offshore, these chickens have to come home to roost sometime.

The “Green Persuasion Machine” is going full bore here (and I imagine elsewhere as well). I think it’s going to crash out the ecology movement rather than bolster it though. Wait for the “green taxes” to be added to everything and suddenly global warming won’t look so bad to the sheeple.

Buzzy on April 21, 2007 at 3:46 PM

Carbon credits are a way for wealthy liberals like Barbra Streisand, John Edwards, Al Gore, George Soros, etc. to rationalize their hypocrisy, using far more energy and polluting the earth far more than average Americans.

Because they are so much more enlightened than the benighted Americans, they are entitled to their 2000 dollar a month electricity and gas bills and their private jets.

januarius on April 21, 2007 at 4:03 PM

Hey, was that Kieran Chetry? Hawt…

Jaibones on April 21, 2007 at 3:43 PM

Sorry, the Hawtness quotient of a Fox News Babe is cut in half whenever she moves to CNN.

However, there’s nothing wrong with Robin Meade and Betty “look at my legs” Nguyen….

ScottG on April 21, 2007 at 4:16 PM

Al Gore, Hillary, Kerry, Streishand, Baldwin, etc., none of them has ever, or will ever produce a BTU.

Labamigo on April 21, 2007 at 4:19 PM

“Sins” is an interesting word for the loons.

They accept no moral sins as defined by religion, but they do define sins of the enviromental variety.

csdeven on April 21, 2007 at 2:55 PM

Yet another aspect that qualifies the environmental movement as a religion. We all need to atone for our sins against Mother Earth.

infidel4life on April 21, 2007 at 4:24 PM

There is a certain ceramics company in spain, who found after being granted carbon emission credits, that it was more profitable to shut down their production, lay off all of their workers, and sell their emission credits.

Any properly run company will do that same…. So not only will cap and trade will not result in any reduction, it cause job losses, and create businesses who’s sole function is rent seeking, you know like the last time around with the sulfur credits, and enron.

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on April 21, 2007 at 4:27 PM

I’m still considering starting a carbon credit business though. Why not? All you have to do is, not do stuff, and people pay you not to do it!

Well, heck yeah! I use way less electricity than the national average and I bike to work once or twice a week. I’ll be glad to keep doing that if some rich fool wants to pay me!

Bob's Kid on April 21, 2007 at 5:00 PM

So now I can pour my used motor oil right in the river, as long as I send Algore some dough. Excellent!

roninacreage on April 21, 2007 at 5:10 PM

It is like the salary cap in baseball. Pay a fine and you can cheat.

DAT60A3 on April 21, 2007 at 5:29 PM

If it Quacks like a Duck, and Walks like a Duck…

Lawrence on April 21, 2007 at 6:06 PM

Carbon credits are a way for wealthy liberals like Barbra Streisand, John Edwards, Al Gore, George Soros, etc. to rationalize their hypocrisy, using far more energy and polluting the earth far more than average Americans.

Because they are so much more enlightened than the benighted Americans, they are entitled to their 2000 dollar a month electricity and gas bills and their private jets.

januarius on April 21, 2007 at 4:03 PM

januarius, exceptionally said! I’d add Travolta, B & H Clinton, Obama, Richardson (new ‘green’ add not withstanding, most of Hollywood figures, polititians, newsfigures… Also, it’s not an exclusively liberal club – see A. Schwarzenegger, though it c/b argued that he’s really a liberal. If so, see Gingrich.

Any properly run company will do that same…. So not only will cap and trade will not result in any reduction, it cause job losses, and create businesses who’s sole function is rent seeking, you know like the last time around with the sulfur credits, and enron.

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on April 21, 2007 at 4:27 PM

Yes, CIR…but in typical ‘logical’ liberal fashion then they’d blame Mr. Bush for not signing the Kyoto treaty in the first place and, thus, causing all these job losses…the activist media would happily go along.

Entelechy on April 21, 2007 at 6:37 PM

Where has this guy been for the last two months? Carbon credits and indulgences hit hot on the internet and talk radio. It’s great insight at CNN now? Do they just crib things off the blogs and then wait a bit, to pass them off as their own ideas?
Like 100 debates ago. Old Media.

Carbon credits are more of a complete fraud than indulgences. At least prayer and petition does have some track record of success, unlike “carbon credits.”

naliaka on April 21, 2007 at 8:35 PM

Get the Al Gore Offsets here:

http://algoreoffsets.com/Home_Page.html

jp on April 21, 2007 at 9:06 PM

The carbon offests that Al Gore bought were from a company that he owns. In other words, he was making a profit off himself. Come to think of it, it’s almost like they’re lying to us. . . .

cmay on April 21, 2007 at 9:29 PM

So, Imus was in a meeting with Jesse and Sharpton. Why didnt he buy racism-offsets? Those guys are market makers in that shi*…..

HerrMorgenholz on April 21, 2007 at 9:30 PM

She went the the enemy!!???!!!!

This makes me sad and confused.

- The Cat

P.S. Can we trade her back if we give em Geraldo?

MirCat on April 21, 2007 at 10:05 PM

I just feel bad for the smokin’ hot Kiran Chetry who now has to work at that pathetic network.

RightWinged on April 22, 2007 at 12:22 AM

Maybe Shrillary Clinton could come up with something to grab a little of that “star power” from Mr. Inconvenient Truth. I know! How about she “invents” some imaginary offset program too? She could open a company that sells “fidelity offsets”-- so you can cheat on your spouse and it won’t count! Brilliant! And, how convenient, Bill could be her best customer! All over America husbands will be saying, “Honey, I slept with a prostitute last winter and she’s the reason I gave you that wicked case of venereal warts… but don’t you give it another thought cause on my way home I bought these new fidelity offsets…” **cue the chirping crickets** followed closely by a loud noise that neighbors will later describe as a car backfiring…//

NightmareOnKStreet on April 22, 2007 at 12:57 AM

Didn’t Martin Luther tack up a rebellion to this kind of thing a few centuries ago?

This is a similarity with the church back then, buying you’re atonement. But this “growing market” is exactly why the Goracle is touting global warming so much. Its always been about the pay day, and that needs to be shouted from the fraking rooftops.

liquidflorian on April 22, 2007 at 3:00 AM

Be sure to send you relief of guilt-save the earth contribution-donation to me, William, at 1234 Northeast Southwest Street, RU Gullible, Pennsylvania, USA, or visit http://WWW.Givemeyourmoneyandrelieveourguilt.com.

For questions you can email me at “William-Illtakeyourmoney@CarbonCreditsisBaloney.com

As little as a dollar (multiplied by millions) is good, but if you can donate $100 per person, or even $10,000, or even 1,000,000, that would be even better.

Don’t let polluting the atmosphere or the land or waters get you down, and don’t let your bad actions, or “sins” put you in a bad way.

Send your donations now!

Thank you!

William

William2006 on April 22, 2007 at 3:28 AM

Carbon credits are more of a complete fraud than indulgences. At least prayer and petition does have some track record of success, unlike “carbon credits.”

naliaka on April 21, 2007 at 8:35 PM

No less of a fraud when you’re told that paying someone else to pray for your absolution is the only chance of forgiveness. If you read your Bible you know that the price of forgiveness was paid once and for all, and your prayers don’t require a middle-man; dial direct. Anyone who tells you that personal contact with God is unavailable or unacceptable is a liar and a thief.

Freelancer on April 22, 2007 at 6:10 AM

I wish these pantheists would quit the charade, don their purple robes & hang out near a big cardboard cut-out of their mothership.

Coronagold on April 22, 2007 at 8:13 AM

Kiran Chetry might just be a good thing for al-cnn. Like Beck’s show is. They NEED conservative viewers.

I just hope Kiran stays as strong as I’ve seen her on FNC. She’s a gorgeous and fearless little pit bull. Might even tune in just to see how she does.

At some point, the bubble-thin facade of the leftie msm and dem party is going to crack and shatter and collapse into a million pathetic little pieces.

It can not happen soon enough.

techno_barbarian on April 22, 2007 at 12:37 PM

No less of a fraud when you’re told that paying someone else to pray for your absolution is the only chance of forgiveness. If you read your Bible you know that the price of forgiveness was paid once and for all, and your prayers don’t require a middle-man; dial direct. Anyone who tells you that personal contact with God is unavailable or unacceptable is a liar and a thief.

Freelancer on April 22, 2007 at 6:10 AM

Of course! We’re in agreement. But, the indulgences fraud was effective as a fraud because there’s enough truth in the presentation to make it appealing to desperate people. That is, prayer and petition are effective. The lie was: not in those circumstances. Anyone who knew their scriptures wasn’t fooled, but many who had an incomplete understanding, that is poor at best (which were many in those mostly illiterate times), fell for it because it sounded correct. The church was indeed at fault for pushing it, but provoked the corrective action of the Reformation. Martin Luther was obviously not the only Catholic priest at the grass-roots level who had problems with such practices, among others who then formed the Protest, and later Protestantism.
Carbon credits on the other hand, are a complete self- delusion. Carbon credit itself is a mythical concept, a construct of pure rhetoric, that never existed before in human history. Those who fell for indulgences at least were doing it most times in concern for someone else’s salvation, which was for the hereafter, not for the here and now. Carbon credits are to soothe the guilt of the over-indulger. With no grounds on which to stand, the carbon-credit spender must have a “faith” that exceeds the lowly indulgence-purchasers. “Carbon-indulgences” is a truer use of the definition “indulgence” than the Medieval church fund-raising indulgences. Carbon indulgences are for the temporal world to encourage the hedonistic buyer to continue in his or her over-consuming ways, not to deny himself or herself anything. Yeech!

naliaka on April 22, 2007 at 2:10 PM

What is really stupid is the percentage of Americans who believe that offsets mean less pollution.

What is really really stupid is to sit back and watch so many people eat this up – I mean the whole global warming package.

George Will said it best in his column – What is the “right” temperature for the Earth? When much of the midwest was under 1000 feet of ice several thousand years ago – was that the right temperature? And how did that ice disappear without industrialization? How about when grapes grew wild in Canada – was that the right temperature?

Will any of these people stop to think about this for one moment?

Coyote D. on April 22, 2007 at 2:22 PM

So can I hire or pay a bunch of people not to drink and drive so I can?

VikingGoneWild on April 22, 2007 at 4:28 PM

So when I put a windmill on my farm, I will be entitled to use my air conditioner more and drive more? Do ya think?

bjb on April 22, 2007 at 6:25 PM

Sorry, the Hawtness quotient of a Fox News Babe is cut in half whenever she moves to CNN.

However, there’s nothing wrong with Robin Meade and Betty “look at my legs” Nguyen….

ScottG on April 21, 2007 at 4:16 PM

Be that as it may, they have some serious/scary talent over there. I won’t watch it, so I don’t have names. Being from Chicago, I alway knew Meade was Hawt, and then they had that Iranian yummy, Rudi B.

Jaibones on April 22, 2007 at 11:58 PM

There was a link to a website that, I think, came via Hotair, which parodied this perfectly. They were selling “fidelity offsets”. The idea was that if you cheated on your spouse or “significant other”, you could simply buy some fidelity credits from someone who was faithful. By paying the money you absolve yourself.

This could be applied in many other ways…”sexism offsets”, racism offsets”, even “body odour” offsets. For example, I shower twice a day…if you feel a little grubby, just send me a couple of bucks and I will email you some “body odour credits”, and everything will be okay. If anyone complains that you smell bad, just show them the email credit I send you, and tell them to shut up.

Of course, Mr. Gore has taken this idea to a whole new level…on top of buying carbon offsets for his huge “carbon footprint”, he actually owns the company from which the offsets are purchased. Thus, he pays himself for his carbon credits…not bad, eh?

Blaise on April 23, 2007 at 11:19 AM