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The obligatory “Dave Gaubatz found Saddam’s WMDs” post… the Times featured him in a story about diehard WMD believers in June. He seems credible, but I must say, stories about the continuing hunt for WMDs at this point seem to me like a right-wing version of Trutherism.

Notwithstanding the fact that the two are not remotely equivalent, what do you think happened with Saddam’s ostensible WMDs?

Or planes. Has anyone credibly rebutted Gen Sada?

I was gonna bring this up too…I haven’t seen anyone debunk him. Plus, our military have found over 500 shells with chemical warheads over the course of the last 4 years. But you don’t hear Brian Williams or Katie Couric say that do you?

BirdEye

They’ve done better than “debunk” Gen. Sada, they’ve ignored him.

The problem with the WMD debate is that the left, with media assistance, has constantly changed the definition of what a “stockpile” was/is.

Are 500 chemical weapons a stockpile? It was until the number of chemical weapons found reached 500, then the threshold was raised to 1000, when 1000 were found it was raised to 5000, when 5000 were found the threshold was raised to 10,000.

It was thought that a stash of 20,000 litres of Bac. Anthracis would be enough to qualify as a stockpile. When we went in and recovered 250,000+ litres, that changed. When we recovered more than 250,000+ litres of Bac. Thurengenisis in the same facility that housed a number of small missiles for delivery of said agent, the media dismissed it because there wasn’t actually bio-agents inside the missiles, just stored nearby (as in within 10′ of feet).

We’ve found PLENTY, the problem is that the more our soldiers find over there, the further the goalposts are moved.

When the first SARIN and Mustard Gas IED’s were used against our soldiers it should have ended all debate on this subject, but because our soldiers didn’t get killed, it was swept away.

I never cared if Saddam has a “quality” or “non-degraded” weapons program, I cared that he had a program. Just like I cared about alot of other reasons for him to go, beyond the WMD questions.

The WMD argument is harped on by the left because they know they can always win it by saying 500, 5000, 10000 doesn’t mean a stockpile and until there’s a mushroom cloud they won’t acknoledge any amount of uranium enrichment (in secret as with Iraq or in the open as with Iran) is dangerous to the U.S. and rest of the world.

–Jason

In 2002 and 2003 it was reported that the NSA satellites had taken satellite photos of Iraqi Convoys leaving suspected chemical facilities and going into 3 sites in Syria.
angryamerican on April 20, 2007 at 11:06 PM

Heck, even I have seen some of those satellite and spy-plane They were broadcast on one of the cable channels two or three days before the actual invasion began.

I suppose it IS possible though, that they were carying harmless stuff like baby formula and aspirin into those Bekka Valley bunkers for safekeeping.

If left to his own demented schemes, he would have had them reconstituted oncde Hans Blix turned his back.

That the war strategy and battle tactics have been weak doesn’t change the need to depose such a loose-cannon lunatic.

Or to verify whether – OR NOT- there were WMD’s.

Not finding them (assuming they were a bluff that backfired) is actually a GOOD thing.

Now we are certain.

Uncertainty, with a psychopath like Saddam, is NOT good.

A shame this Administration didn’t know Islam (the absurd “bring democracy” idea among Sunni and Shi’ite savages) and can’t defend its own after-9/11-militarily-justifiable actions with the least bit of debater’s competence or poker player’s savvy.

(If there were other WMD’s- smuggled out, etc.- let’s hope the chemicals or triggers/fuses are deteriorated to the point of being near-inert.)

Geez.

You can say it all you want but libs have a blind spot to this. I mean seriously, you tell them or show news reports and they get a blank look on their face like time skipped them and go right on with the “There were no WMDs”

NEWSFLASH: It isn’t just the “libs” who have stated there were no WMDs in Iraq.

Or planes. Has anyone credibly rebutted Gen Sada?

I was gonna bring this up too…I haven’t seen anyone debunk him. Plus, our military have found over 500 shells with chemical warheads over the course of the last 4 years. But you don’t hear Brian Williams or Katie Couric say that do you?

In December of 1998 and clear past most of the Democrats voting for war in Iraq they believed Saddam had WMDs. Then suddenly they had always known he didn’t.

wordwarp on April 20, 2007 at 8:06 PM

You can say it all you want but libs have a blind spot to this. I mean seriously, you tell them or show news reports and they get a blank look on their face like time skipped them and go right on with the “There were no WMDs”

- The Cat

P.S.

Actually, to me the whole WMD fiasco is the biggest argument against Trutherism. We’re supposed to believe that, in less that a year of presidency, Bush put together a plan to secretly wire up the WTC without anyone noticing to justify a war in Iraq (even though the attack didn’t implicate Iraq). Yet, after years of planning, he wasn’t able to sneak WMDs anywhere into the entire country of Iraq to justify the war and get the heat off of him?

It’s like a horribly written movie plot.

frankj on April 20, 2007 at 7:01 PM

See that’s all part of the plan. It makes the cover story so much more believable.

I think there are plenty of people who would bring this up if they could to embarrass President Bush–especially the Democrats, who would use it to make him look incompetent.

I don’t know, I mean. 4 heavily, massively invested years trying to convince the public they were duped and lied to by the supposedly most stupid, most incompetent man on earth – and come to find out that “meme” investment was about to blow up in their face? Nah – they aren’t in any way comfortable about any WMD.

Saddam Hussein’s #2 Iraqi Air Force General, General Sada, has testified that he oversaw the transport of Chemical Weapons into Syria, but they were disguised as “humanitarian” aid in 2002 and 2003 before the invasion:.
http://newyorksun.com/

These 20 planeloads are what General Sada said contained the Chemical Weapons in this story from Relief Web in June 2002:
http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/ACOS-64BRQW?OpenDocument&rc=3&cc=syr

Saddam Hussein said those 20 planeloads contained “humanitarian aid”, but he was under U.N. Sanctions?!
He said he didn’t have enough humanitarian supplies, which is what he used for the excuse to let his own people starve??!!
But he had enough to send 20 planeloads of “humanitarian aid” to Syria??!!
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And this was further validated by Nizar Nayuf (Nayyouf-Nayyuf).
“A Syrian journalist who recently defected from Syria to Western Europe and is known for bravely challenging the Syrian regime, said in a letter Monday, January 5, 2004, to Dutch newspaper “De Telegraaf,” that he knows the three sites where Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) are kept. ”
http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php

In 2004 10 al-Qaeda terrorists were captured in Jordan with more than 20 tons of Chemical Weapons. The reported targets were the Jordanian prime minister’s office and the headquarters of Jordanian intelligence, and the U.S. Embassy.

It has been reported that up to 100,000 could have been killed in the Terrorist Bombing.

al-Qaeda got those Chemical Weapons out of Syria:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3635381.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/26/jordan.terror/

http://www.chinadaily.net/english/doc/2004-04/27/content_326599.htm

In 2003 Iraqi Nuclear Scientist, Dr Mahdi Obeidi, revealed he was hiding the key Nuclear Research and Nuclear Centrifuges needed to restart Saddam’s Nuclear Weapons Program under Saddam’s order.
Saddam reported these nuclear documents, and key nuclear centrifuge parts as “Destroyed” in 1995!

The experts argued that Saddam Hussein had ASPIRATIONS of reconstituting his Nuclear Weapons Program.

These Nuclear Documents and key Nuclear Centrifuge parts were declared DESTROYED by Saddam. They were NOT.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/

This story isn’t new — FrontPage was writing about Gaubatz last April and the Times featured him in a story about diehard WMD believers in June.

Haven’t read the Spectator piece yet, but I just had to pop in and say I gotcha beat. I used to post a link to this NY Sun article from February 8, 2006 in all of my WMD related posts
http://www.nysun.com/article/27183

And this is ain’t the half of it. There are the former generals. There are the satellite images of trucks. There are reports of Russian military trucks, and the hypothesis that the reason Bush won’t come out with it is because it will force us to break ties with Russia, and we feel we need them to deal with Iran. How about all those millions of pages of documents captured in Iraq? Remember we only got a few in that first batch, and ABC had that video of him (Saddam) ambiguously talking about an attack on American soil (though not saying it would be done by them). There is the revelation that there were operational ties with AQ, etc. etc. These stories have all been there, and been minimized by the MSM, but this stuff all came out roughly a year ago.

They were in Libya and of the nuclear variety, funded by the Saudis, with Pak plans, NK materiel, and staffed by Pak and Iraqi scientists.

And the documents were written in CHINEESE!

Again, from Melanie:

When Col. Quaddafi turned over his blueprints for a nuclear warhead, they were written in Chinese. Even more alarming, the IAEA discovered that tens of thousands of advanced P-2 uranium centrifuges had been manufactured in Malaysia, but had gone missing. The Summit now believes that China had arranged this shipment for Iraq.

They were in Libya and of the nuclear variety, funded by the Saudis, with Pak plans, NK materiel, and staffed by Pak and Iraqi scientists.

No one knew about this program until Muammar suddenly came clean about them, less than two weeks after Saddam’s extraction from his hidey-hole.

Why/how BushCo has never made more about the Libya disclosure has always been puzzling to me. I”m assuming that the details of cooperation by our “allies” in France and Germany and our new “friends” in Russia and China had something to do with it.

Disclaimer: I have no way to personally verify this information, but Mr. Gaubaltz did provide me with a few emails that do verify portions of his answers….

The questions that need to be asked about those WMD

It’s long but important. For example:

At the 2006 Summit, a tape recording of Saddam discussing his nuclear weapons technology was presented to the public. The tape clearly shows Saddam discussing a progress report on a laser enrichment system for uranium, one of the more advanced methods to make a nuclear bomb. This nuclear technology tape had sat untranslated in a Kuwaiti warehouse along with thousands of shelf feet of captured Intelligence files. Mr. Negroponte had decided to give them a low priority until the 2006 Summit revealed their importance.

I think the reason the Admin has downplayed the WMD story is because the worst has indeed happened. As she says, through American incompetence, the worst case scenario has now been realised — that Saddam’s WMD are in the hands of terrorist regimes waging war against the west.