Inevitable: First Baldwin phone call mash-ups appear
posted at 1:00 pm on April 20, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Ace posted a musical remix by Slublog last night and today our pals at the Andrew Wilkow Show sent us the audio book version of Baldwin’s Guide to Proper Parenting. You’ll find that below. Each is totally predictable and none the less funny for it.
FYI, an L.A. County court has temporarily suspended Baldwin’s contact with his daughter after listening to the voicemail message.
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What an idiot
Defector01 on April 20, 2007 at 1:04 PM
Your “Hello” was my muse, AP.
Slublog on April 20, 2007 at 1:06 PM
Heh.
amerpundit on April 20, 2007 at 1:09 PM
He should get more than a “temporary” suspension.
amerpundit on April 20, 2007 at 1:09 PM
Also it seems Kim Bassinger and Alex are fighting now with Alex accusing her of being the one to leak the phone call
William Amos on April 20, 2007 at 1:11 PM
He is an idiot. However, his personal life is his business. Lets be good conservatives and let him deal with HIS family issues.
msipes on April 20, 2007 at 1:11 PM
He is an idiot for losing his temper with hiw daughter but I think he is a victim of what is known as parental alienation syndrome. His wife is saying things to his daughter that make her dislike or hate him. Many divorced men have vindictive wives who try and turn their children against their ex-husbands. His mistake is not realizing that his daughter is just a child who has being hearing the worst about him for years and has internalized this.
Baldwin is a hotheaded jerk for what he did. Kim Bassinger is no less a pain in the ass because she has injected her children into her battles with Baldwin.
Bill C on April 20, 2007 at 1:11 PM
In Baldwin’s defense, Divorce, like War, is Hell!!!!
He clearly is upset and there is no excuse for his comments to his daughter. No matter how upset, as he clearly is with his soon to be X, he should not have taken out on the child.
That said, war is brutal!
Oxybeles on April 20, 2007 at 1:12 PM
I don’t remember if it was SouthernDem or not but someone said it best…..Enquirer….this whole thing stinks worse then my boat after 2 months at sea.
Limerick on April 20, 2007 at 1:13 PM
is it just me? I can barely make out the baldwin voice. it sounds more like static.
lorien1973 on April 20, 2007 at 1:14 PM
I think he’s on a cell phone.
Slublog on April 20, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Again, we punish a man for trying to be a father?
He didn’t hit her. He didn’t molest her. He chewed her a$$.
I suppose none of you have ever gotten your father worked up into a froth? Have any of you ever been disappointed and afraid that you are losing control of your daughter?
Let the one without sin cast the first stone.
Let me also say, for the record, that I abhor Baldwin and his liberal agenda. I would never have dreamed that such a lib cared enough about his child to get so upset on the phone and pledge to fly out and kick her ungrateful a$$.
Be very very careful how you deal with your enemies, folks. The same measure will be used against you.
unamused on April 20, 2007 at 1:21 PM
Damn you, Slublog! And damn this day job!Now my techno remix will seem like a pale ripoff.
Today’s the day he was supposed to get on a plane to straighten her ass out. And then get back on a plane and turn around and go home.
Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherf***ing Baldwins on this motherf***ing plane!
saint kansas on April 20, 2007 at 1:21 PM
Alec Baldwin definitely needs an Anger Management class.
I believe there was an article on IMDB a few months ago where Alec Baldwin was doing a theater job and got upset and punched a wall so hard that he put a hole in it…I believe his publicist said it was due to his frustration that the air conditioning wasn’t working or something like that. Oh…OK…it was justified then.
I used to think the Basinger/Baldwin war was fueled mostly by Basinger, but with stuff like this, maybe Baldwin’s the worse of the two.
asc85 on April 20, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Good, maybe this will give him some more motivation to get out of America. I’m still waiting for him to keep his word on that one.
Rick on April 20, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Well, I’ve never called my daughter an ungrateful, rude little pig.
Of course, she wouldn’t understand me if I did. She’s only one.
But still, we’re not calling for his head – we’re mocking the guy. And in this case, he deserves to be mocked.
Slublog on April 20, 2007 at 1:23 PM
A techno remix would be awesome.
Slublog on April 20, 2007 at 1:24 PM
Helloooooo, Baldwin is an alcoholic. It’s on record.
That said, I understand completely the impulse to kick a lib when their down, I just expect more from conservatives.
We cannot call those at dKos and HuffPo haters if we are so quick to dogpile a big lib for yelling at his daughter. If he was in the news for abandoning her or beating her, I would be the first to pile on. But, while it may be harsh parenting, it’s parenting. Sometimes it’s not a pretty sight.
God help the child of two divorced stars. God help the stars, for the sake of the child.
unamused on April 20, 2007 at 1:25 PM
Baldwin’s true colors certainly shine through in this post. It is amazing that Democrats think we should pay attention to his political views.
omegaram on April 20, 2007 at 1:27 PM
Still, the mean-spirited jeers do not represent those of us who want to support less-than-adequate parents in becoming adequate ones.
Again, be careful how you treat the libs. It will come back.
unamused on April 20, 2007 at 1:27 PM
That wasn’t parenting. That was a self-absorbed man taking his own personal hurt out on his minor child in an extremely inappropriate way.
Sure, it probably hurt his feelings when his daughter wasn’t there for his call. But his reaction was outrageous and selfish. Honestly, it made me sad when I thought of his daughter’s reaction to that hateful little rant.
So I made the mashup as a mockery.
Slublog on April 20, 2007 at 1:30 PM
Well, the last few years have put me more in a fighting mood than a ‘let’s all get along one.’
Slublog on April 20, 2007 at 1:32 PM
Please, please, please send this to Hannity, as somebody on Ace’s site suggested. He’d love it!
PRCalDude on April 20, 2007 at 1:37 PM
I see, Slublog, because, apparently, you know all about Baldwin and his dealings with his daughter. You have no way of knowing if there are other circumstances involved here. It’s possible that as an alcoholic he sees a pattern in some of her behaviors (behaviors we are not privy to in the public) and is full of fear that she is traveling down the same road he did.
Who made the audience of HotAir the authority on either Alec Baldwin or parenting? You have a 1-year-old? I have an 8 year old and 6 year old. I know anger and fear that I did not 8 years ago. I don’t always handle myself well either, but I apologize and strive to remain calm.
Are you privy to all the phone calls since he left that voicemail? Is it possible that he feels deep regret over this? Whether he does or not, it is still nothing but hubris for you and all the rest of the lib-burners here to be so quick to judge–just because you hate the man.
You are setting a dangerous precedent here. It’s tempting to add insult to injury, especially during a time when the libs are doing so much to damage our country. But we will lose this political war with them if we do as they do.
I expect us to show tolerance where the tolerance-mongers wouldn’t.
unamused on April 20, 2007 at 1:37 PM
Baldwin needs to be called out for his hypocrisy.
Rick on April 20, 2007 at 1:38 PM
Exactly. Seriously, “expect more from conservatives”? What’s that got to do with some asswipe calling his little girl a “pig”.
His being a liberal has nothing to do with it.
John from WuzzaDem on April 20, 2007 at 1:39 PM
Look…..did I raise my children like that….hell no.
Did I ever thump one of them or say something that I regret today…..hell yes.
My whole point with this is that it puts me square in the middle of the fence. Do I want to make sure the child is safe, of course I do. Do I want to run AB into a cell……not yet. This situation makes me very uncomfortable between where am I obligated to step in and where I am not. AB is an ass. This belongs between him and the legal system, not between me his choices. This whole story just doesn’t feel right to me. Am I wishy-washy? If I am then I am wrong.
Limerick on April 20, 2007 at 1:40 PM
Get over yourself! We’re just having a little fun.
PRCalDude on April 20, 2007 at 1:40 PM
And you think this fighting mood will help defeat liberals?
You cannot diffuse rage with more rage. It just doesn’t work.
We are the party that digs deep and does what’s right. Sometimes fighting is both wrong and the hardest response to give. The example of it is not lost on libs, trust me. It’s one of the things that diffused my hate many years ago.
unamused on April 20, 2007 at 1:40 PM
I imagine that Baldwin’s daughter knew she was supposed to answer the phone at 10:00, but she probably told her mom, who told her to turn off the phone (to spite Baldwin). The poor kid is probably just caught in the middle. And Baldwin is such a self-obsessed moron, he takes it out on the kid!
He really deserves our scorn as an egocentric, horrendous parent.
stonemeister on April 20, 2007 at 1:42 PM
Does this mean Baldwin is not in line for the Imus job?
Wade on April 20, 2007 at 1:42 PM
Slublog is the only one I referred to by name.
The defensiveness of the rest of you speaks for itself.
And I don’t buy your “it’s just fun” excuse. I want to kick Baldwin in the teeth too. But my house is made of glass, so….
unamused on April 20, 2007 at 1:42 PM
‘Defensiveness’? ‘Derision’ is a better term.
PRCalDude on April 20, 2007 at 1:44 PM
Please look up parental alienation syndrome if you want to understand Baldwin’s behavior. It is not a justification of his reaction but you will understand how frustrating dealing with a child who has been systematically turned against you. Baldwin is just to stupid to understand that it is not his daughter’s fault. Slublog put yourself in his shoes then you can understand that he is in a very difficult position. It takes a lot of patience to deal with a child who hates you because their mother has drummed that hatred into their heads for years.
Bill C on April 20, 2007 at 1:44 PM
Wait ’till you get 11 and 12 year olds. Let the fun begin.
Wade on April 20, 2007 at 1:45 PM
Our house is made of glass, as well.
And the libs have been chucking rocks at it for years.
And I never claimed to be the authority on parenting, but as a parent, yeah…I’m going to judge Baldwin on his actions. Because I’m sick to death of this “we can’t judge anyone, anytime” nonsense of our society.
And it’s not “defensiveness,” unamused. Sometimes, people just want to enjoy a little schadenfreude.
Slublog on April 20, 2007 at 1:46 PM
I think we’ve pulled the planks out of our own on this one.
PRCalDude on April 20, 2007 at 1:47 PM
Actually I know a bit about it.
And I know how family members of mine reacted in a very similar situation (not the voice mail, but the divorce and the indoctrination of children).
Let’s just say they showed a bit more maturity than Baldwin.
Slublog on April 20, 2007 at 1:47 PM
Somebody send the song to Hannity, for crying out loud.
PRCalDude on April 20, 2007 at 1:48 PM
Bill C:
Finally someone willing to see this as a struggling parent and not as a hateful lib.
If we want fathers to remain at home with the children they helped bring into this world, this kind of rhetoric will get us nowhere.
Liberals systematically support divorce and the destruction of the family, and here we have a lib who is obviously doing battle with his daughter instead of abandoning her. Again, it’s not the best of parenting, but it is parenting.
I guess it just gives me hope to see a big lib care enough to chew his daughter out, that’s all. I take most of them for the sugar-daddy type: give ‘em money and make ‘em go away. Though obnoxious and mean, he is concerned about his daughter’s behavior and will do whatever it takes to see that it is corrected.
unamused on April 20, 2007 at 1:49 PM
I agree, unamused. I don’t see why you think it is “defensiveness” – if anything, I see you as getting a little defensive on this issue.
Rick on April 20, 2007 at 1:49 PM
Unamused…
It doesn’t matter what the circumstances are. It’s apalling to have a father call his 11 year old daughter (12? Even Alec Baldwin doesn’t know apparently) an ungrateful pig and that he’s going to get home and “straighten her ass out”.
Coming from someone with a history of violence and alcoholism, doesn’t that sound like it deserves a tiny bit of attention?
Lehosh on April 20, 2007 at 1:50 PM
And now the inevitable ad hom. unamused, that’s just not necessary.
Slublog on April 20, 2007 at 1:51 PM
No argument there. He’s a jackass.
unamused on April 20, 2007 at 1:52 PM
He was borderline until the “rude, thoughtless little pig” finale at which point he took a header over the cliff. If you are in exceedingly nasty battle with a former spouse, it’s best not to leave frothing, maniacal messages on your 12, or maybe 11, but then again, maybe 12-year old daughter’s cell phone.
nico on April 20, 2007 at 1:52 PM
Yes, Daddy.
bloggless on April 20, 2007 at 1:53 PM
I laughed at the song. I’m going to listen, and laugh again.
PRCalDude on April 20, 2007 at 1:54 PM
I sent the link to Howie Carr. Not sure what Hannity’s address is, though.
Slublog on April 20, 2007 at 1:55 PM
Perhaps if there is a history of violence. Perhaps if he knew the VM was going to be published.
I would expect an abusive parent, if they are going to go so far as to call the child a pig, to say exactly what they intend to do to them. “straighten you out” was a threat given to me by my father plenty of times, my step father also. Neither abused me. Both made me sit and listen to hours-long diatribes about responsibility, duty, honor, and how I wouldn’t see TV or a playground for weeks.
Everyone here will hear what they want to in what the voicemail has to say. It’s just a shame how quick some of us are to indulge in pleasure from the suffering of others (schadenfreude).
unamused on April 20, 2007 at 1:57 PM
Basinger has alleged spousal abuse.
And my father also told me to straighten up a number of times. But he never crossed the line into attacks. Never. Not once.
Slublog on April 20, 2007 at 1:58 PM
BTW, some of you will remember this thread when you too cross the line. But I suspect then it will be different, right?
unamused on April 20, 2007 at 1:59 PM
Baldwin deserves all the sh*t he’s taking for this, he’s an obnoxious, loudmouth, abusive psychoass bully who should never be around women or children to begin with. unamused, he deserves everything he’s getting. This has nothing to do with his political madness either, and even then, the left has been pulling stuff much worse than anything we’ve done over the past few years, so don’t give me this high road crap.
Slublog, that was great, ignore unamused.
The Wilkow bit was great too.
Bad Candy on April 20, 2007 at 2:00 PM
I just want to make it clear to everyone that I and unamused are not saying that Baldwin didn’t do anything wrong. We just understand that he is in an impossible situation and he snapped. I, and I think unamused, see a child who is being turned against her father. If this is true then I have a hard time jumping on the mock Baldwin bandwagon.
On a slightly different note, I am really frustrated with conservative men who do not understand the plight of divorced fathers in our society. Family courts and the divorce industrial complex are so biased against men it’s Kafkaesque. Please wake up the feminist agenda of destroying the family by incentivizing women to sue for divorce and to alienate ex-husbands via false claims of rape and molestation. Who receive restraining orders as a means of doing battle in court. Ok, I need to take a time out. Phew.
Bill C on April 20, 2007 at 2:00 PM
I want to second what Bill C just wrote and leave it at that.
Obviously Baldwin deserves all this, he has made his choices and now must live with them. But we get to choose how we react also.
I’m just trying to err on the side of supporting a divorced father who actually gives his child the time of day.
unamused on April 20, 2007 at 2:03 PM
This will never be as funny as the Pat O’brien thing. Now that guy knew how to leave a voicemail.
Still funny though
brak on April 20, 2007 at 2:04 PM
Just to clarify, ’cause I don’t know the whole story: what did the daughter do, besides not pick up the phone at Dad’s scheduled call time?
I can see a place for the old “scared straight” treatment (with a much older child), but the voice message is all about Dad and his feelings.
Well, he has been fined for assaulting a photographer.
saint kansas on April 20, 2007 at 2:05 PM
Yeah unamused, and I’m hearing a guy that has been accused of abusing his wife screaming like a maniac at his kid. What else am I to think? Face it, he a sociopath. Listen to him, he’s ranting about being embarrassed, he’s a self absorbed asshat that’s pissed off because she bruised his fragile ego.
Bad Candy on April 20, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Funny. These are the same exact words Baldwin’s agent leaves on his voice mail.
Nethicus on April 20, 2007 at 2:07 PM
[Slublog on April 20, 2007 at 1:30 PM]
I agree, and more power to dKos and HuffPo if they pile on a conservative for acting in a similar manner, though I expect they will be wrestling with conservaitves for king of the dogpile in those cases, too.
I’d also point out that, while I don’t frequent the maroonish side of the aisle, I don’t see this kind of creative “shaming” from that side. All I see is Outrage!!!! I wonder what today would be like, and how we would be talking about the “Imus Moment” now, if it hadn’t taken the path of “Outrageous!!!!” and instead had taken the mocking tone that Baldwin is getting for his ‘outrageous’ phone message to his 11 yo daughter.
Not OT, but what’s with Baldwin making an ass of himself trying to get to a phone — doesn’t he own a cell phone?
Dusty on April 20, 2007 at 2:09 PM
You do realize you’re talking about a guy that is accused of beating his wife, right?
Look I agree that there is a bias against divorced men in the court and society, but if you’re looking to use Baldwin as an representative of that issue, you’re making a huge mistake.
Bad Candy on April 20, 2007 at 2:10 PM
Clearly this is a hate crime comparing your daughter to ham
William Amos on April 20, 2007 at 2:10 PM
Is it any real surprise Baldwin is like this? The guy is a jerk in general to everyone, period. I’m surprise he didn’t go “Hannibal the Cannibal” and say he was going to eat her with a bottle of red wine. Dude is just a few dead brain cells away from being the next “Cho”.
Planet Boulder on April 20, 2007 at 2:12 PM
Are you projecting here? For goodness sakes, it just sounds like she forgot to turn on her cell phone. From what I remember in the call, he said it was 11 am in NYC so that would make it 8 am in LA. If it was a weekend – kids that age are notorious for sleeping in. If it was a weekday and she was in school – she most likely would not be permitted to have the cell phone turned on.
Well, just like any subject that comes up at HotAir – no one really claims to be the ultimate authority on any of it. It’s just put out there for us to read and comment on.
So you have a 6 year old and and 8 year old – congratulations (and I do mean that sincerely). My oldest will be 18, my youngest is nearly 17 months, and I have a variety of ages in between. I cannot even begin to fathom anything my kids would do that would cause my husband or me to speak to them in that horrible manner. There is no justification.
I have no doubt the guy has deep regrets over what he’s said. Most people would after such an abusive over-the-top tirade.
Honestly – I had no opinion on Mr. Baldwin prior to this – except that I found some of his stuff on SNL pretty funny (especially the NPR bits). So I’m not making judgments because I “hate” the man. I’m am making judgments on what I heard and I don’t care what kind of background scenario you try to create for him – he’s a 49 year old adult and she is an 11 year old child. There is no justification for what he’s done. And to have a publicist bring up “well you don’t know what he’s been through the past 6 years” is bullcrap!! One doesn’t take responsibility for completely unacceptable behavior by pointing out that “X, Y, and Z” caused me to treat you like crap. He’s the adult and has to suck it up and treat his 12 year old as the child he says he loves not as the surrogate verbal punching bag for his wife.
The guy has definitely earned the title of Big Jerk.
If it had been Sean Hannity – I’d be saying the exact same thing without reservation.
Any adult that speaks to a child in that manner is a disappointment.
Candy Slice on April 20, 2007 at 2:14 PM
Alex Baldwin would make a good Iman. I’ll bet he doesn’t eat pork either.
Kini on April 20, 2007 at 2:18 PM
I’m not sure that some of you heard the same parts I heard.
The man told his daughter that he made an ass of himself to call her. It embarassed him to stop what he was doing to call his child? It was an inconvenience? He’s too busy and important to be bothered? For all he knew, that phone might be off because it was crushed in a mangled ball of automobile. I don’t care if he’s the most liberal furball in Hollywood or if he’s Pope Geraldine the nintyleventh, all he did was confirm any nasty thing that her mother might be saying about him. Did I ever rage at my kids? You bet. But it was over important things like you don’t date gangbangers or play on the freeway or do something that’s going to destroy your life and everyone’s around you. Not because they didn’t answer the phone when I knew they were with people that would protect them and keep them safe. It was all about him and how she had inconvenienced his lordship. If everytime he got her on the phone, he treated her like that, maybe she didn’t want to answer.
Catseye on April 20, 2007 at 2:20 PM
Man, how about it?! STFU, this is just way too much fun…
Jaibones on April 20, 2007 at 2:30 PM
Anyone care to donate to the “Alec Baldwin Must Leave the USA if George W. Bush is (re)Elected)” fund, since he seems to be having trouble coming up with the funds?
Class act. Of course, this is his personal life and as with Clinton personal matters are off-limits, unless you are a Retuglican Evil Monkey Genius like George W. Bush/Carl Rove.
Neo on April 20, 2007 at 2:31 PM
But he sure likes to call his daughter a “thoughtless little pig”
Rick on April 20, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Via YahooNews and AFP:
Errr … right. Does ANYONE think this lunatic can keep his mouth shut for ten minutes?
Can we place bets on this at Vegas? PLEASE?!
Gregor on April 20, 2007 at 2:38 PM
You can do battle with your daughter without calling her names and using profanity.
icelandicfarmer on April 20, 2007 at 2:40 PM
Michelle is obviously the better parent – because she is SO good looking….
Dr. Gecko on April 20, 2007 at 2:51 PM
What Bill C and Unamused seem to be assuming is that people here are mocking/scorning Alec because they don’t understand what he’s going through. Far from it: people just don’t care!
I know it’s confusing, but bear with me.
I don’t care what his little girl did short of physically attacking him: his behaviour is repellant. It is especially horrid considering that he has a history of alcohol abuse and violence. You don’t call your daughter a wretched little pig and threaten to “straighten her ass out real good” when you find her. There is nothing that you can say to make me feel compassion for his “plight”.
You know, consider this. Let’s assume everything you’re suggesting is true and that Kim Bassinger really is demonizing him to alienate him from his daughter. If Alec Baldwin is this kind of father, maybe he deserves it. I know I wouldn’t let my kid hang around with this toon.
Lehosh on April 20, 2007 at 2:52 PM
With the noted exception of Cindy Sheehan, who speaks with Absolute Moral Authority.™
saint kansas on April 20, 2007 at 3:00 PM
You want analogies then I’ll give you analogies. Some of the Duke Lacrosse players called CGM a N-word. From that I infer that they are capable of rape and should be assumed guilty of rape. Back to Baldwin, he lost his temper with his daughter. From that I infer that he is abusive towards his wife and children and should be assumed to be a bad parent.
It is a confusing situation. By heaping scorn on Baldwin you are ignoring that this is a complicated situation in which both parents are doing harm to their daughter. Both parents need to learn to change. Baldwin needs to learn that his daughter is in no way responsible for the way she treat him, IOW patience. His wife should learn that repeatedly badmouthing her daughter’s father destroys he daughter’s self-esteem. Nobody is defending Baldwin, we are pointing out that the gloating over a political enemies family problems is unseemly because it perpetuates the faminist agenda of demonizing father’s who are the victims of parental alienation.
Sheesh.
Bill C on April 20, 2007 at 3:02 PM
The only way I could forgive this is if he’d left the message in his Tony Bennett voice.
John from WuzzaDem on April 20, 2007 at 3:04 PM
Expressed agreement with a conservative idea?
Blacklake on April 20, 2007 at 3:04 PM
Bill C on April 20, 2007 at 3:02 PM
I judge he’s a bad parent because he’s selfish and verbally abusive to a little girl. I don’t assume anything: it’s right there in the audio.
It has nothing to do with his politics. I don’t follow Alec Baldwin’s politics. I think he’s a despicable person for treating his daughter with scorn because he was “made a fool of” when she didn’t answer her phone. He’s a selfish dirtbag who needs to grow up and be a father instead of acting like a petulant child.
Lehosh on April 20, 2007 at 3:08 PM
Well if Baldwin wasn’t such an ass people wouldn’t be making a big deal out of this. He is always telling us in the lowly public what we’re doing wrong, well what is he doing saying he has to “make an you know what out of himself trying to get to a phone”. Yes, it’s his “private, personal problem” but he’s a public figure and can you imagine if this was Mel Gibson-the libs would be going wild. SO those of you who are unamused lighten up. I, for one am tired of sitting back and taking it from the left all the time. Let us laugh at this goons expense. He deserves it. Besides shouldn’t this call be coming from France and not from the US?
Catie96706 on April 20, 2007 at 3:23 PM
Correct, you are extremely unamusing. How stupid can you be? Because he’s supposedly not one of those rich sugar daddy types throwing money at his child — you think it’s great he’s off in the other freaking ditch? You are just trying to be an idiot because you keep repeating the same stupid crap just to get some attention. There, you got your attention — happy? Honestly — you are ridiculous.
wytammic on April 20, 2007 at 3:36 PM
So many people are assuming that the ex MUST be saying something to alienate the daughter, or SOMETHING must have happened to get him to act like that.
Being the child of verbal and physical abuse, I can tell you that maybe NOTHING has happened to get him to act like that. Maybe he’s just a raving lunatic jerk who likes to belittle people he feels he can control: a wife or a daughter.
Even if the ex WAS poisoning the daughter against him, is it a smart counter-move to turn around and act exactly the way the ex has portrayed you? You thinking calling your daughter a pig is going to win her back?
If this is how he speaks to her, no wonder she keeps her phone off. I wouldn’t want to talk to him either.
I just can’t believe that people are making excuses for him. His bad behavior just has to be the fault of somebody else. Personal responsibility people!!! Nothing anyone else on the planet may have done or said gives this man the right to degrade his daughter in that manner. Nothing.
CookeyD on April 20, 2007 at 3:42 PM
I agree with everything you just said except for the part about not knowing Baldwin’s politics. I think you know. He is being a bad parent when he dresses down his daughter. What we don’t hear is kim Bassinger telling Ireland that she should avoid her Dad. I am convinced that is what is happening. Both parents need to be taught not to use or take out their frustrations with each other on their child.
My problem is that this is classic feminist tactics for helping women terminate parental rights for the father. Textbook. Baldwin was a jerk for falling for it. But does anybody here really think he doesn’t love his daughter? Does anybody here think that Bassinger has not tried to poison the father/daughter relationship?
Both parents are selfish. Both need to stop using their child as a weapon. And conservatives need to drop the false chivalry which causes them to assume men are always in the wrong.
Bill C on April 20, 2007 at 3:49 PM
At least Baldwin is still fighting back…many parents just give up and never see their kid again………
What is Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS)?
PAS—sometimes called Parental Alienation (PA)— is a disorder that arises primarily in the context of child-custody disputes.
Its primary manifestation is the child’s campaign of denigration against a parent, a campaign that has no justification.
It results primarily from the programming (brainwashing) of a child by one of the parents, whose goal is the complete vilification of the other parent.
WHAT DOES PAS LOOK LIKE?
~ The child denigrates the alienated parent with foul language and severe oppositional behavior.
~ The child offers weak, absurd, or frivolous reasons for his or her anger.
~ The child is sure of him or herself and doesn’t demonstrate ambivalence, i.e. love and hate for the alienated parent, only hate.
~ The child exhorts that he or she alone came up with ideas of denigration. The “independent- thinker” phenomenon is where the child asserts that no one told him to do this.
~ The child supports and feels a need to protect the alienating parent.
~ The child does not demonstrate guilt over cruelty towards the alienated parent.
~ The child uses borrowed scenarios, or vividly describes situations that he or she could not have experienced.
~ Animosity is spread to the friends and/or extended family of the alienated parent.
~ In severe cases of parent alienation, the child is utterly brain- washed against the alienated parent. The alienating parent can truthfully say that the child doesn’t want to spend any time with the other parent.
~ When told that the child MUST spend time with the other parent, the alienator typically responds, “There isn’t anything I can do about it. She/he just doesn’t want to be with you.”
Mellen on April 20, 2007 at 3:51 PM
Who said that?
Rick on April 20, 2007 at 3:52 PM
Amen CookeyD!
Rightwingsparkle on April 20, 2007 at 3:57 PM
Lehosh on April 20, 2007 at 3:08 PM
CookeyD on April 20, 2007 at 3:42 PM
And anybody else whose kneejerk reaction is that Baldwin is gousing about nothing, that his daughter has not been brainwashed.
Mellen, thanks for putting that up. People should understand what Baldwin might be up against. If this is the case you will understand Baldwin’s behavior. Again, he reacted terrible but he is in a difficult position and his parental rights should not be terminated.
Bill C on April 20, 2007 at 4:00 PM
I don’t assume men are in the wrong. I know about parental alientaion. My boyfriend’s ex is doing it to him. I just don’t see how parental alienation leads one to cuss their own daughter out on the phone. A real loving father wouldn’t do that just because he’s pissed at the ex.
How does “my daughter has been brainwashed” turn into “my daughter is a pig”? If he had hit his daughter, would that have been Kim’s fault as well?
You should make a more deserving man the parental alienation poster child. This guy certainly doesn’t deserve it.
CookeyD on April 20, 2007 at 4:13 PM
CookeyD,
Baldwin is far from the ideal representative of fathers. However, that does not diminish his contention that his ex-wife is poisoning his daughter’s mind. I think the solution is that Baldwin and Bassinger both be compelled to stop denigrating each other in front of their daughter.
I am sorry your boyfriend is suffering through this. I am sure you know that the family court system will do nothing to help him stop his ex-wife and that is immensely frustrating. If he loses his temper and yells at his ex-wife for her alienating his child or, like Baldwin, yells at his child because that child is brainwashed and he wants the child to understand that then he will be in the same situation Baldwin is in. That is, no matter what a father without custody does, he is being made into the villain in his child’s eyes.
Bill C on April 20, 2007 at 4:22 PM
Well, this guy is the one whose voicemail is all over the nets. I call ‘em like I see ‘em and would stand up for any father who is TRYING.
Your halo is looking a little crooked.
unamused on April 20, 2007 at 4:23 PM
Agreed with CookeyD!
wytammic on April 20, 2007 at 4:23 PM
I can understand him being upset if his wife is keeping his daughter from him but he should not be yelling at the child his anger should be directed at the wife.This type of messege will not help a thing.There is absolutely no excuse to talk to a child like that what a jerk.
CaCa on April 20, 2007 at 4:49 PM
So many “probably’s” and “maybe’s” in this thread. Some of you need to read what you’re writing before you hit the Submit button on this one.
There is no excuse whatsoever for what he said to his daughter, whom is still at a young and tender age. If he wanted to leave a voice-mail for her, he certainly could have been firm, but fair at the same time.
Some things parents say cut their kids to the bone. Regardless of Alec’s or Kim’s shenanigans, when either parent berates a child with name calling and unwarranted demeaning accusations, it is reprehensible and no excuse in the world can justify it. Sure, verbally chastize your children if you feel the need to, but don’t cut them to the quick and bully them with demeaning words that are bound to damage a child’s self-esteem. Anyone trying to stand up for Mr Baldwin in this instance is as deranged as he is… sorry, but it’s true.
SilverStar830 on April 20, 2007 at 4:58 PM
Of course, I rasied three daughters, but I always knew who was the adult in any conversation with them.
im4eagles on April 20, 2007 at 5:00 PM
On his website today Baldwin repotedly said, “Although I have been told by numerous people not to worry too much, as all parents lose their patience with their kids, I am most saddened that this was released to the media because of what it does to a child,”
Yeah, “what it does to a child” . . .
It always mystifies me that these raging lefties can make such stupifyingly hypocritcal statements without ever seeming to recognize the sad irony.
The Ritz on April 20, 2007 at 5:22 PM
Let the libs implode
Sven on April 20, 2007 at 5:34 PM
It also seems that a few here are assuming things about Kim that no one really knows. But I don’t care about that. I don’t care about Kim and I don’t care about Alec. I find it absolutely astounding that anyone would make excuses for ANY
Glynn on April 20, 2007 at 5:52 PM
(I hit the return too fast) parent, mother or father, who spoke to their child that way. It wasn’t just what he said, he was in full blown rage. You could practically hear the spittle hitting the receiver. Imagine if he had said that to her with her standing in front of him. If you think this not child abuse and does not lasting harm, you are sadly mistaken. I don’t think people like this need excuses made for them. They need appointments for anger management and maybe some psychotropic medication. And supervised visitation for as long as it takes to be sure he was not going to “teach her a lesson” other than calling her names over and over again. He used the word “me” and “I” about 50 times in that short message. It was all about him, not his daughter. He didn’t even know how old she was.
Glynn on April 20, 2007 at 5:54 PM
Sounds to me like he has been working and they set up a specific time to talk. Apparently the daughter has not been taking his calls, for whatever reason and Alex lost it. Hollywood narcissism is at play here–with both he and Kim.
robblefarian on April 20, 2007 at 5:58 PM
I was going to leave it all alone, because you are trying to do the right thing, until this one.
Baldwin’s interest is purely and ONLY about himself. How anyone can listen to that audio and think he’s even giving a thought to trying to be a proper parent is beyond me. It’s a classically narcissistic rant of the highest order.
“I took time out, I was humiliated…” He said I or me nearly 20 times in that message, because she missed his call. If you have a shred of sense you find out why before being angry. You never know what someone on the other side of the country is doing.
When I was a sailor at sea, few and far between were the chances to call home. It hurt bad anytime I got an answering machine, knowing it might have been my only chance at a phone call for weeks. Does that give me any right to berate my wife and kids? This self-absorbed ego with lungs verbally abused a child in the most demeaning terms he could conjure. Defend that?
Never!
Freelancer on April 20, 2007 at 6:31 PM
Actors and actresses are unusually narcissistic and possess few life skills. They reported that on this blog.
PRCalDude on April 20, 2007 at 7:03 PM
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