Inevitable: First Baldwin phone call mash-ups appear
posted at 1:00 pm on April 20, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Ace posted a musical remix by Slublog last night and today our pals at the Andrew Wilkow Show sent us the audio book version of Baldwin’s Guide to Proper Parenting. You’ll find that below. Each is totally predictable and none the less funny for it.
FYI, an L.A. County court has temporarily suspended Baldwin’s contact with his daughter after listening to the voicemail message.
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Abusers count on this type of behavior. I workoed for the Los Angeles Coroner’s years ago. I saw the end result of situations that started out as verbal abuse. No one thought it was any of their business, including the spouses in the situation, who were often abused themselves.
Glynn on April 20, 2007 at 8:35 PM
I wish this thing had spell check!
Glynn on April 20, 2007 at 8:36 PM
Oh Jebus, a man yells and all of the sudden he is on the fast track to murder. Please, you are reading way too much into this. His daughter pissed him off and he lost his sh$t. He was wrong but that doesn’t mean he is abusing her.
Bill C on April 20, 2007 at 10:03 PM
It’s like you’re speaking some foreign language.
John from WuzzaDem on April 20, 2007 at 10:33 PM
Uh…the way he spoke to her is abuse.
Glynn,Maybe we should swap notes…5 years NM OMI.
Catseye on April 20, 2007 at 10:53 PM
I guess my parents should be serving a life sentence for what they said to me.
Bill C on April 20, 2007 at 10:57 PM
Any adult who calls a 12 year-year-old a rude thoughtless little pig is teaching that child his own base standards. Self-controlled adults never speak like that to women or children. If he talks like that regularly (and no reason to think he doesn’t), it’s no surprise the girl turns off her phone, to avoid listening to his tirades.
The rule is, you want to have the kid be happy to see you, to get your calls? Be nice and show them a good time so they’re looking forward to being with you, not dreading it. Bet she was “looking forward” to that “get-together” a little forced, strained, uncomfortable “quality” time, in this case, dedicated to being yelled at all day long for her failings.
Why do divorced parents make up all these little visitation deals with the courts and their spouses and then can’t understand why the kids hate being used like dolls – they are required to accept the awkward arrangements, smile and be happy, on cue, no matter how they really feel, to soothe the ego of the visiting parent?
Selfish, spoiled parents. That other disgusting habit of divorced paretns, bad-mouthing the mother of the child or the father of the child, never caring about the fact that the child loves both parents and is hurt everytime the parents use them as a battlefield.
naliaka on April 20, 2007 at 11:51 PM
Since we’re going to assume that Alec Baldwin’s daughter is being brainwashed by her mother or assume that the daughter purposely didn’t take his call (along with other assumptions that the call was made on time, the right day) etc. then why couldn’t we assume that he doesn’t talk to her this way most of the time or that she didn’t answer the phone because of regular verbal abuse from him.
All that I do know is that as a parent I would never pile drive my daughter’s self esteem into the dirt the way Alec Baldwin did on that one phone message that I heard. I don’t have to assume anything about any of them to know that what I heard was abusive and there is no excuse for that type of behavior towards a pre teen daughter or son. I would say the same about anyone, regardless of politics, that did the same thing.
Buzzy on April 21, 2007 at 1:48 AM
I totally agree, Buzzy.
Glynn on April 21, 2007 at 6:45 AM
Some of that stuff is pretty hard to get out of your head.
Glynn on April 21, 2007 at 6:46 AM
Thank you for proving my point.
Glynn on April 21, 2007 at 6:47 AM
Maybe, or maybe the people who stood by and watched should be.
Glynn on April 21, 2007 at 6:49 AM
Baldwin is a typical abuser. It’s Psych 101….he goes through every single motion…he begins to steam up, he explodes, and then the “in love again” motion (”I’m sorry…no one knows the pressure I’m under”). If that child had physically been with him at the time of his explosion, no telling how truly bad this would have been.
lynnv on April 21, 2007 at 8:19 AM
You argue like a liberal. What are you trying to say?
I have never said Baldwin is in the right here. What I have been trying to get through is that the daughter might be a victim of PAS and that this one snapshot of their relationship should not be taken as indicative of their entire relationship. Clearly, he needs anger management because if Ireland is being brainwashed by her mother it is not her fault.
We don’t have to assume anything. A psychologist can talk to Ireland and find out if her mother is trying to poison her mind towards her father and vice versa. I say if Basinger is guilty of this she should lose custody. In either case Baldwin needs anger management.
The real issue is whether Baldwin should lose custody. Based on this one phone call it is hard to say. If there is a pattern of abuse then obviously he should. If there has been an overriding assumption in this thread it is that Baldwin is a bad father. There is not enough evidence in pne phone call to make that determination. You are letting your prejudice against Baldwin determine your reactions.
Bill C on April 21, 2007 at 10:30 AM
I teach middle school so I know this age of kid extremely well. Baldwin is doing great damage to her both in his insults to her and her mother. In a divorce you NEVER bash your ex while talking to your kid, NEVER. He’s a lousy parent and his daughter will unfortunately reap what he has sown. A girl’s relationship with her father at this critical age, in many ways, sets her course on how she’ll deal with men in her life. This isn’t about lib vs. conservative, this is about good parenting vs. rotten parenting.
Mojave Mark on April 21, 2007 at 2:00 PM
Bill C …I have been a victim of Parental alienaton syndrome. My son was kidnapped by his other parent and taken thousands so of miles away. I had engaged in similar messages to my son after months and years of frustration trying to reach a child who was being brainwashed against me . Did I lose it on occasion? You bet I did…Did my friends and relatives tell me to give up and write the kid off? You bet they did…..But I kept calling and sometimes the calls were just like Baldwins…..But I didn’t resort to violence…(Only because my ex lived so far away.hehheheheh..) All I can say is this,
I know so very many kids whose Dads and Moms walked away from them. They suffered tremendously knowing their parent could write them off so easily. For all the complaints about Baldwin he is still there , still fighting for his kid. And if you can do that, and it ain’t easy especially during adolesence , the chances are good that you both will come out on the other side with not only a better relationship but a rock solid relationship. I know cuz I did it . It is not easy, especially when lawyers are thrown into the mix. Often the lawyers add fuel to the fire if only to perpetuate their own existence $$$$$$. The most important thing to remember (and both I and Baldwin would sometimes forget )when the child treats you like dirt is this;
Rememeber they are the child and you are the adult…..
Mellen on April 21, 2007 at 9:24 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=3062889&page=3
Segal suggests that Basinger is guilty of a different kind of abuse if it comes out that she intended for this tape to become public. “Then what she did is almost as bad as or perhaps worse for the child’s welfare: Would you want the world to know that your daughter was called a “pig” by her father? That’s not doing your child a service to let the world know that.”
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Mellen on April 21, 2007 at 10:05 PM
Again, I am not defending his actions. He was wrong to blow up at his daughter and could use anger management. That being said, you are wrong to conclude he is a bad father from this one incident. Listen to what Mellen has gone through and I hope you realize that PAS is a real problem and Ireland needs help if this is what her mother is doing to her.
Also, there is no doubt in my mind that Basinger released this clip. Don’t you think it is rotten to release an audio clip of a father calling a daughter a litttle pig in order to embarrass the father? The court had already heard the tape and suspended his custody rights. What was there to gain? This is why Bsinger’s role in Ireland’s behavior must be looked into.
Bill C on April 22, 2007 at 10:53 AM
From Glenn Sacks.
Children should never be used as pawns and the parents who do so should be punished.
Bill C on April 22, 2007 at 10:59 AM
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