Should NBC have aired Cho’s video?
posted at 5:05 pm on April 19, 2007 by Allahpundit
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As the story of the shooting recedes, the story of the story of the shooting emerges to replace it. Fox made a show this morning of its decision not to air any more of Cho’s photos or video. As of this writing, CNN has not followed suit. A forensic psychiatrist who consults for ABC calls NBC’s decision “a social catastrophe” — but meanwhile, video of Cho is still available at ABCNews.com.
With the heat on, NBC issued a statement this afternoon defending itself:
The pain suffered by the Virginia Tech community and indeed the entire country is immeasurable.
Upon receiving the materials from Cho Seung-Hui, NBC News took careful consideration in determining how the information should be distributed. We did not rush the material onto air, but instead consulted with local authorities, who have since publicly acknowledged our appropriate handling of the matter. Beginning this morning, we have limited our usage of the video across NBC News, including MSNBC, to no more than 10 percent of our airtime.
Our Standards and Policies chief reviewed all material before it was released. One of our most experienced correspondents, Pete Williams handled the reporting. We believe it provides some answers to the critical question, “why did this man carry out these awful murders?” The decision to run this video was reached by virtually every news organization in the world, as evidenced by coverage on television, on websites and in newspapers. We have covered this story — and our unique role in it — with extreme sensitivity, underscored by our devoted efforts to remember and honor the victims and heroes of this tragic incident. We are committed to nothing less.
Would you have aired it? It’s a major exclusive about a huge mystery that’s attracted intense public interest. The news networks all aired Osama’s videos after 9/11 as evidence of his motive, notwithstanding what it might do to the victims’ families. They all aired and re-aired video of the planes crashing into the buildings, too. As awful as the Cho tapes must be for the VTech victims’ families, I can’t imagine that watching the towers crumble was any easier for spouses of people who were trapped inside. The counterargument is that 9/11 was a matter of national interest with enormous policy and electoral implications; the public simply had to know as much as possible to respond intelligently to it. There are policy implications to what happened with Cho too (i.e., gun control), of course, but none that will likely be affected by video of him jabbering incoherently about trust-fund babies. Thus, the proper analog is to that O.J. “If I Did It” interview that got cancelled, not to 9/11. If we’re unwilling to let O.J. profit from his crime, however tangibly or intangibly, why let Psy-Cho?
Tough call. I tip slightly in favor of airing it because (a) I hate when the media plays paterfamilias in deciding what is and isn’t “appropriate news” for the public to see, and (b) I was honestly curious. Spruiell’s been grasping for some grander justification, like bringing the power of collective intelligence to bear on the evidence, but I think he’s just dressing up natural curiosity about the psychology of a mass murderer in some nobler utilitarian faux purpose. Which is not to say the media should be showing us crime-scene photos and pornography, etc., pursuant to point (a); obviously the feelings of the victims’ families do matter and just as obviously there are experiences so mortal and private that we recoil instinctively from images that exploit them in the interest of news. As unsatisfying an answer as this may be, I think ultimately it’s just a gut reaction about where to draw the line of decency, and so long as NBC didn’t/doesn’t show any crime scenes, I’m willing to cut them a break.
The one argument I don’t find especially compelling is that they shouldn’t have “rewarded” him by running it. How did they “reward” him by exposing him as a complete, yammering lunatic? If he had had some sort of political message and wanted to get it out this way, a la the Unabomber manifesto, that would be one thing. As it is, the only thing we’ve learned is that the voices in his head weren’t big fans of people who drive Mercedes Benzes. In terms of “rewarding” him with fame, I’m afraid that horse was already out of the barn by the time NBC got the package. Do a Google search for “Ismail Ax” and see how many hits you get. If I recall correctly, there were fewer than 10 results as of Monday afternoon.
Don’t get me wrong, I completely understand the other side of the argument. I even sort of understand Hugh Hewitt’s argument for allowing tort claims for hurtful speech against news organizations, even though I don’t agree with it and think it would be a First Amendment nightmare. I just think where there’s huge public demand for a major story and NBC is sitting on something big, why not supply the information? Tell me in the comments why I’m wrong.
Update: It bears reminding that, according to Brian Williams, they didn’t air the worst of the videos. There was some editorial judgment exercised here.
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Of course they should not have aired it, but just like the Islamic media that is sent tapes by terrorists…
IndependentConserv on April 19, 2007 at 5:09 PM
With the easy access of the internet I think the networks should have provided a link for those who wished to view and used transcripts in the network broadcasts. Nothing is hidden but the possible wishes of the killer to have his rants aired on national tv would have not been accomplished.
Bradky on April 19, 2007 at 5:09 PM
No. A picture would’ve been just enough to point to and say, “That is the face of pure evil.”
The only reason the media is playing the video is purely for entertainment…there is no worth whatsoever in playing the videos over and over and over, giving Psy-Cho his last wish. Nor is there any value in showing the pictures with him posed like a video game, barrels pointed at the camera.
He wasn’t a victim. He was a mass-murdering jackass.
BirdEye on April 19, 2007 at 5:12 PM
Yeah, they should have aired it… it has generated a lot of public interest. Do not air it because it may offend someone leaves a queasy feeling in my stomach.
Will I watch it? Nope, not interested in seeing the ravings of a lunatic.
dalewalt on April 19, 2007 at 5:13 PM
No.
billy on April 19, 2007 at 5:13 PM
True. And it may encourage others a bit. But in a culture that obsesses over the latest happenings on American Idol, something like this will be interesting to some people. For NBC, this is, after all, a ratings issue.
dalewalt on April 19, 2007 at 5:14 PM
That’s exactly what I mean: ratings…dollars…entertainment…no other value for society.
BirdEye on April 19, 2007 at 5:17 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of when CNN aired the AQ sniper videos, in terms of agenda journalism, and inflicting suffering on those directly affected.
Kid from Brooklyn on April 19, 2007 at 5:17 PM
It’s doubly nice that you’ve given the mass murderer a cute little knickname.
These are real events; not a Tarentino movie.
You do realize that, don’t you HA?
billy on April 19, 2007 at 5:17 PM
They should put it on right after ‘Imus In The Morning’
Wade on April 19, 2007 at 5:18 PM
I would not have aired it. I don’t want the next psycho to think that the route to fame is to send a DVD to the media prior to mass-murder. This smacks too much of “They’ll notice me now!” kind of thinking.
Of course the killing itself guarantees that, but adding internationally-broadcast home movies to the mix just seems to up the ante.
Anton on April 19, 2007 at 5:19 PM
It’s enough that I have to look past all the photos of this Sanjina (Sanjaya, i know, I know) character all over the web…I don’t need Psy-Cho on top of this…
BirdEye on April 19, 2007 at 5:19 PM
But that was of the actual murder. I agree, no one should be airing death scenes.
Allahpundit on April 19, 2007 at 5:19 PM
NO! I didn’t realize that at all, billy. Thanks for helping me separate reality from fiction.
Allahpundit on April 19, 2007 at 5:20 PM
I’d like to leave this as a damned if you do, damned if you don’t argument, but the bottom line was the bottom line. Greed got to NBC, not the public ‘need to know’. Everybody else got in line.
Limerick on April 19, 2007 at 5:20 PM
I don’t think there’s anything cute about that dude.
BirdEye on April 19, 2007 at 5:21 PM
I have to say that in the long run, airing the video may be helpful. If you remember, they never aired the so-called basement tapes from Columbine. The father of one of the victims thinks that was a deadly mistake which created a cult-like following of the Columbine Killers.
http://www.thetrenchcoat.com/archives/1912-Could-Columbine-records-have-prevented-Va.-Tech.html
And it might help people spot and deal with anti-social psychos like Cho in the future.
BelchSpeak on April 19, 2007 at 5:21 PM
What I can’t figure out is how NBC’s decision simply to open the package, let alone duplicate the materials within, doesn’t constitute tampering with evidence.
Blacklake on April 19, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Interesting point, Belch. I guess there’s no telling what a lunatic will take from a video like Cho’s, but it’s hard to imagine that wheezing monotone and incoherent rambling stirring many souls.
Allahpundit on April 19, 2007 at 5:22 PM
They air everything else, why would this be any different? I object to them only airing certain parts they want us to see when.
Highrise on April 19, 2007 at 5:23 PM
Lunatics take stuff from the internet, yet we aren’t banning it.
Highrise on April 19, 2007 at 5:23 PM
I have to agree with Bradky. Too many times, like in the case of the Mohammed cartoons, information is censored from the public for one reason or another. That is one of the cool things about the internet. In general, except for porn in some cases, you are given the opportunity to view something that you have an interest in and are mentally prepared for in privacy and on your schedule as opposed to having it splashed across the television screen for six minutes every hour.
brtex on April 19, 2007 at 5:24 PM
NBC should have not aired the video, but provided a full transcript online instead. Lots of reading with no pictures or screen caps would negate the titillation factor.
rw on April 19, 2007 at 5:25 PM
I was wondering when this topic would finally get posted.
I was dumbfounded when NBC first aired psy-Cho’s tape and manifesto a couple of days ago. My first thought was, “There are probably many more nut jobs out there ripe to pop, and after seeing this guy’s video, their warped short-circuited brains are going to really relate to this idiot and the odds of there being copycats could get a whole lot better.”
The MSM has no conscience or common sense whatsoever. They claim they “agonized” over the decision to air the tape. Yeah, right, they agonized over the calculator to see how much money they’d make off of the video’s dissemination.
SilverStar830 on April 19, 2007 at 5:25 PM
Should a court have been able to stop the broadcast? No. The first Amendment provides them with the right to show it. Should they have aired the video? That’s subjective and I’m leaning toward no. They probably should not have showed the video. They could have just provided the news by saying that it was the incoherent mumbling drivel of a madman and showing it provided no information as to the who (already answered), what (already answered), where (already answered), when (already answered), why (just incoherent mumbling of zero substance). In other words the video provided no news so they should not have showed it to anyone other then the FBI. Now this interview with Cho’s Princeton grad sis. That will provide some news.
Zetterson on April 19, 2007 at 5:26 PM
I agree with the psychiatrist here. While I believe the country needs information to help understand what happened, we don’t need it from the killer himself. This kind of thing needs to be filtered through a professional who knows what will and will not inspire future Cho’s out there, or worse, traumatize viewers.
I speak as one who has had manic and anxiety episodes triggered by world events. My last stint in the hospital came on the tails of the beginning of the Iraq War. In hindsight, I can see that the images of war were subtly traumatic to me, sending me off into fits of paranoia and delusion. I lost 60 lbs by not eating, started drinking heavily, and would rant at the tv news. I was convinced that the media was not just out to get conservatives but me in particular. My spiral ended with a police escort from a bar to the hospital. Though humiliated via my own actions, I was relieved that someone had finally stopped me.
Columbine had the same effect on me, though I didn’t go as far as hospitalization. I can trace every separation my wife and I have had to 3 events in our recent history:
1. Columbine
2. 9/11
3. Iraq War
I have learned not to watch the news. There is nothing there for me but danger. I am ultra-sensitive to real images of violence and death. I have no problem with movies and video games. When I know that what I’m watching is real, I can’t bare it for some reason.
I don’t know, it’s hard to explain if you’ve never felt it. Even now I’m sure you’ve noticed the length and increased frequency of my posts here. This one has hit home for me in so many ways that I’m not sleeping as much as I should. Don’t worry, I’ve learned through faith and close contact with my doctors and friends to deal with this. This kind of writing is also good for my processing this tragedy.
That said, NBC deserves to get sued for this, pure and simple. Matt Lauer admitted today that news coverage (media whoring) of Columbine probably contributed to Cho and other’s like him taking the track they took. The simple most dangerous part about letting Cho speak for himself is this: HE WAS NOT HIMSELF. TV is the defacto voice of society. Given that, NBC is doing nothing more than showing people that Cho killed those people because “he had no other option”.
Let’s hope there are no others out there who are persecuted by their own brain looking for options…
unamused on April 19, 2007 at 5:26 PM
CALLOUSED! [b];’)[/b]
SilverStar830 on April 19, 2007 at 5:27 PM
Silverstar830, your comment towards a rapper assimilating rape in the other thread was WHO CARES…and you say you were dumbfounded when NBC did this and that they have no conscience?
Just trying to understand..truly..I don’t get your take on what is worse!
Highrise on April 19, 2007 at 5:27 PM
oops!
;’)
SilverStar830 on April 19, 2007 at 5:27 PM
Your comparison to 9/11 and the media showing the buidings collapsing and the planes crashing into them isn’t valid. They didn’t show each of the killers bragging about the attacks and that’s where I take issue with NBC’s decision.
They gave the lunatic Cho a forum (which is nothing but gibberish with no news value and includespictures of him holding a gun at the camera, exactly what his victims saw before they died) Not only that they gave every like minded idiot the knowledge that they too can get their mug televised nationally if they do something horrible, too. since they didn’t show the killers bragging about it.
Sensible Mom on April 19, 2007 at 5:28 PM
silverstar, nice try there bud. You who says it’s no big deal that a rapper was doing his little rape tirade on stage.
It hardly is a comparison that you make. I for one, do want to know the details because I want to be able to stand up to any stupid legislation that comes from this. I want to know the facts..not excuse what he did.
Highrise on April 19, 2007 at 5:29 PM
Uhhh… NO!
IMO this is the same as airing Islamic Jihad Martyr flicks….
They WANT it aired…
I have turned off the news every time they started to see it.
Romeo13 on April 19, 2007 at 5:29 PM
Seeing the videos did dispell in my own mind lots of preconceived notions, and completely eliminated any ideas that there may have been an islamic connection. I think it blew away any potential of a mythos that may have surrounded this pathetic person had those tapes not aired.
BelchSpeak on April 19, 2007 at 5:29 PM
AP’s point about Osama videos makes the most sense. Arguably the Osama videos do a hell of a lot more to inspire violence than these videos of Cho, but I don’t hear many people make the case that we shouldn’t show them. Newsworthiness trumps all, even when publicizing such a video is hurtful to the victims of a tragic event.
The only alternative is to pretend that these videos don’t exist. With all due respect to the families of those who were killed on Monday, it’s not as if their grief will be reduced by keeping these Cho videos under wraps.
Enrique on April 19, 2007 at 5:29 PM
Good point
Zetterson on April 19, 2007 at 5:29 PM
They didn’t? You’ve never seen the video of Osama laughing about the attacks and explaining how pleasantly surprised he was when the buildings came down?
Allahpundit on April 19, 2007 at 5:29 PM
Well, I don’t know what you mean by “assimilating” rape. Perhaps you meant simulating. But the female in the rap video sure wasn’t fighting him off, she was fully clothed and remained so throughout, and all he did was dry hump her while she raised her legs up in the air simulating her enjoyment of it as part of the show… that’s it in a nutshell.
SilverStar830 on April 19, 2007 at 5:30 PM
Don’t play coy silverstar, if people go read the rapper thread, they’ll see how ridiculous your take on this is.
Highrise on April 19, 2007 at 5:30 PM
Yeah, I mean, if “Ismail Ax” had turned out to be a jihadi nom de guerre, I bet you’d be seeing a lot more people here on NBC’s side on grounds that we need to know our enemy.
The question is, how newsworthy are the mutterings of a psychotic douche? There’s no political message here. He’s just nutty.
Allahpundit on April 19, 2007 at 5:31 PM
Silverstar’s take on the rapper simulated rape = NO BIG DEAL
Silverstar’s take on this…I was dumbfounded there was no conscience shown by the MSM!
Highrise on April 19, 2007 at 5:32 PM
YOU CAN’T RAPE THE WILLING… and she looked pretty darn willing.
Anyway, this guy killed 30+ people. The rapper killed no one and didn’t do anything to anyone that wasn’t a willing participant. It was shocking, but isn’t that what all performers do?
Nice try to you!
SilverStar830 on April 19, 2007 at 5:33 PM
NO
Tru2my2 on April 19, 2007 at 5:33 PM
Oh well, I’m sure we’ll find out one day.
billy on April 19, 2007 at 5:34 PM
Please, don’t for one second make excuses for pure, unadulterated evil.
BirdEye on April 19, 2007 at 5:34 PM
If Cho put the video of himself up on a website before committing the crimes would the same people who are saying no to NBC airing it be petitioning the ISP to pull the site? Why?
If Cho sent 10,000 copies of the video to people across the country would the same people who are saying no to NBC airing it be opposed to those 10,000 people showing other people? Why?
I think NBC should air it, not because of a “right to know,” but because it’s part of a story and in interest of full disclosure they should show it. Of course if it was a video of him personally killing all 32 people I wouldn’t think they should air it, but I would say that they have to not air it.
Nonfactor on April 19, 2007 at 5:36 PM
Allah, man are you off on this…if it did in fact turn out that he had an association with AQ, then it would be part of an obviously MUCH LARGER GLOBAL ISSUE OF MILLIONS OF EVIL JIHADIS, rather than one evil kid.
BirdEye on April 19, 2007 at 5:38 PM
Of course they should have shown it. It is relevant to what happened. We meed to know what kind of individual Cho was.
I never like the attitude especially among liberals that Americans cannot handle information–such as Americans can’t handle seeing the World Trade Center collapsing.
You have the choice not to turn on the TV.
januarius on April 19, 2007 at 5:38 PM
Just want to clarify one point: it’s not that NBC showed video, it’s that they showed anything at all. This man was insane.
Here’s why this is important: a crazy person does not know he’s crazy. If he’s lucky, he has people telling him he is and maybe trying to get him to go for help (since we cannot involuntarily commit). Most nutjobs like myself have an internal debate about our own sanity during times of stress. The last thing we need during that time is the validation, no matter what form it comes in, of another nutjob that we are not crazy, that the world really is out to get us. Add to that situation the fact that this guy found a “solution” to his delusional problem, and you are just asking for trouble.
Forget the copy-cat massacres caused by media whoring of tragedy. Consider the small tragedies. How many suicides or murders, or even lesser offenses, do you think were inspired by all the video of Columbine and 9/11? That stuff is not reported but the impact of it is horrendous on families all across the globe.
I think Bryan said that one of the networks aired a “special” on gun control on Monday night–the very same day as the massacre. Apparently they have these things just lying around in case someone like Cho goes off the deep end. What the Hell do you call that if not EVIL. I don’t even want to hear Lauer and others spout off about how true it is that the media influences people with this horrible stuff. It’s too little too late. You want to be responsible Lauer? Resign. Or don’t air the crap in the first place.
From NBC’s point of view, Cho played Santa Claus on Monday.
unamused on April 19, 2007 at 5:38 PM
BirdEye:
It would be ironic if you ever had to deal with mental illness.
unamused on April 19, 2007 at 5:42 PM
I hate it when Allah makes me think. It hurts. I haven’t watched it because I do not feel I will learn anything from it. I object to it being just thrown out for public consumption because of what I see as greed by NBC and voyuerism by the public. Later, as a historical piece, sure because it is after all part of the story. Too damn many paradoxes here for me and my grits. I’ll go back to Judge Judy now.
Limerick on April 19, 2007 at 5:42 PM
Being that NBC is on it’s last legs as a creditable news organization, there comes a time when grasping at straws is all it has left, and begins to pander to the ghouls in society hoping to retain some semblance of audience share.
It’s called the Jerry Springer effect.
pocomoco on April 19, 2007 at 5:43 PM
Personally, I don’t think the media should air Osama Bin Laden’s videos either mainly because we don’t know if he’s using them to send messages to other terrorists.
In the case of the video where he brags about 9/11 (which I forgot) one could claim that the video helped prove that he had done it. Of course, the Truthers still don’t believe it.
Sensible Mom on April 19, 2007 at 5:44 PM
Shouldn’t have aired it. This is not footage of an event that just happened to be captured on video, like the planes hitting the towers or people jumping from them (the latter, if I recall, stopped being broadcast on some networks because it was “too disturbing”).
Cho made these photos and videos AND THEN SENT THEM TO NBC NEWS. He wanted them to do exactly what they did – broadcast them. AP doesn’t think denying Cho’s objective is a strong argument, but were I a parent of one of the victims, knowing that the prick didn’t ultimately get what he wanted would be something to hold on to.
That the incoherent content of the videos may not “inspire” other potential crazies out there is not the point. The content doesn’t matter. It is the fact that they will have a world-wide platform for THEIR particular brand of crazy. NBC has told them so.
angler on April 19, 2007 at 5:44 PM
Cho has now been idolized.
ballz2wallz on April 19, 2007 at 5:47 PM
Oh, and this has absolutely nothing with “informing the public” or “providing more information about the killer” so that we can “understand all of the facts” – especially from NBC’s perspective. No, NBC used this as a ratings boost. They promoted and previewed it to get ratings. Notice the NBC logo? It’s there for a reason. If NBC thought it was doing a service to the public, it would have made available the videos to all other networks, cable outfits, etc. Instead, they labeled it “an exclusive.” Sick.
angler on April 19, 2007 at 5:49 PM
I have had to deal with it…yours.
BirdEye on April 19, 2007 at 5:50 PM
Air it once… maybe a few times, but the replaying of it over and over again for days is too much.
MT on April 19, 2007 at 5:50 PM
You didn’t know already?
Psy- Cho (you own it AP) was a nut-job who killed 32 college students so he could go out in a blaze of glory in his otherwise useless life.
Any questions?
billy on April 19, 2007 at 5:50 PM
I think NBC made the correct decision to air it.
This was indeed something newsworthy, and I was definitely interested in seeing it.
I can appreciate that there are many posting on HA as well as out there in the rest of the world who don’t like that.
asc85 on April 19, 2007 at 5:53 PM
You put it perfectly.
billy on April 19, 2007 at 5:54 PM
I agree completely. But the average person needs to know the warning signs. He would never have been allowed to stay at Virginia Tech if people knew his behavior could be so deadly. He should have stayed in a psychiatric institution.
januarius on April 19, 2007 at 5:54 PM
Americans can’t handle the rantings of a mass murderer shown on the T.V. screens. Instead of letting the people make the decision about whether or not they want to watch it lets pass judgment on an organization that chose to show a video relevant to a current issue.
You guys really think that?
Nonfactor on April 19, 2007 at 5:55 PM
I can handle it. It’s just in bad taste, to say the least. There is responsibility with freedom of speech.
BirdEye on April 19, 2007 at 5:58 PM
If he had shot up NBC headquarters and sent a manifesto and video to FOX, NBC would have had a fit if FOX publicized it.
Perchant on April 19, 2007 at 5:59 PM
I call bullcrap. Brian Williams came on the air at 6:30 EST last evening and spent 6-7 minutes showing the photos of Cho along with the videotapes. At the end of this segment Williams said we will show more of the material we received from Cho at the end of our report tonight.
That was a tease to make the viewers stay tuned in for the full half-hour – tuned in to NBC. They were saying, we not only have these ugly videotapes, we have more, and if you stay tuned to our network’s broadcast we’ll show you the rest.
That’s not being sensitive, that’s bowing to the almighty dollar at the expense of the victim’s families. They played it to the hilt, for maximum viewership. But why should anyone be surprised?
fogw on April 19, 2007 at 6:01 PM
The first amendment allows for it, the public being the voyeuristic whores that we are wants it, is it in bad taste, Yes it most certainly is, was NBC doing a service to the nation by airing it, No, were they attempting to boost their ratings… You bet
Viper1 on April 19, 2007 at 6:02 PM
I don’t care that NBC aired it. Free speech includes speech we may not necessarily like.
However, I do find it disgusting that they stamped their logo all over the video as to take credit for being first to get this video up on the air.
Scorched_Earth on April 19, 2007 at 6:08 PM
Well, you guys do feature Olbermann a lot on this site…
Slublog on April 19, 2007 at 6:09 PM
Heh
EnochCain on April 19, 2007 at 6:10 PM
Way to misconstrue the discussion, nonfactor.
TexasDan on April 19, 2007 at 6:11 PM
The public should have access to the information.
However, the more time ass-face had on the air, the more likely a copy-cat would seek out this type of publicity.
The Web should have been the outlet for this material and not in a sensationalized way.
Treat it like the Starr Report.
Valiant on April 19, 2007 at 6:12 PM
Where?
billy on April 19, 2007 at 6:13 PM
I agree with AP and BelchSpeak’s points. It bugs me when information is hidden (like the Jihad speeches Arafat gave after he gave his western friendly press statements). It shows the slime for what he is, weak and useless, and seeing this might get people to FINALLY take this damn threat seriously. Its better its out, it needed to be seen by people, it quells speculation, and it paints him as a loser that sounded like an Emo Napoleon Dynamite.
Yeah, but that’s because they’re whiny liberal hypocrites, their dollar and agenda are first for them. Look, the media has to cover it somewhat, my issue is when they harass students and parents that wanna be left alone. You know the press actually FOLLOWED STUDENTS TO THEIR HOMES to interview people after our school shooting?
Bad Candy on April 19, 2007 at 6:13 PM
As for whether NBC should have aired the video? I lean toward yes, but with no sound. Just narrate and paraphrase what he said – there’s no value in letting a killer have his posthumous moment of glory. I agree with what Lileks said this morning:
Honestly, though, I understand NBC’s motivations. This is one heck of a scoop to have dropped in your lap.
Slublog on April 19, 2007 at 6:16 PM
I’d echo what a few have been saying about not publicly airing them, but still providing them for those interested. When Nick Behrg’s beheading video was distributed, the networks didn’t show it, but for some reason I felt compelled to find it and watch it, and I did. And as much as it sickened me, I was glad I did. I think these videos apply to that scenario on a much lesser scale. While they shouldn’t have rewarded him with at outlet for his ramblings. (And I would say the content of his ramblings are irrelevant). What it showed is if I have a message I want to get out and don’t think people are listening to me, then killing 30 people is apparently a great way to get that message out.
But likewise, I’ll admit I was definitely interested in the videos as well as the entire manifesto, and I’m sure as hell not a fan of news networks deciding some thing is unsafe for popular consumption, so making the materials available for viewing on nbc.com while not airing them on national television would have been ideal imo.
CorinthianJest on April 19, 2007 at 6:18 PM
Does your worldview not allow for criticism or exploration of ethical decisions, Nonfactor?
Slublog on April 19, 2007 at 6:18 PM
‘Scuse me, billy. How unsurprisingly Clintonian of you (thus lending to your screen name) to parse such a simple statement.
What I mean is, that with the right comes the responsibility.
BirdEye on April 19, 2007 at 6:23 PM
When and how did I even imply that? Because the conclusion you seem to have drawn is the exact opposite of what I think so I really am curious as to how you got that out of my post.
Nonfactor on April 19, 2007 at 6:23 PM
I think they should have played a few seletc bits of vocal ranting along with pictures like the photoshopped ones of the whacko with a strap-on or a Hello Kitty t-shirt and hat.
Hey, they mock the President, they mock Christians, they mock scientists who don’t buy Kyoto, but they won’t mock terrorists or mass-murderers?
What kind of jacked-up value system is that?
We desperately need to point out to budding sociopaths that the more they hide in a closet and preen and threaten for a camera, the LESS serious they are.
Yeah, we need to honor the seriousness of the atrocity and the seriousness of the loss. But we absofrackinglutely don’t need to honor the sociopath.
Merovign on April 19, 2007 at 6:26 PM
The thing that gets me is, the MSM make these decisions out of condescending arrogance. The same quality they are constantly accusing the Bush administration of.
moc23 on April 19, 2007 at 6:29 PM
NBC made a mistake in the way they showed this. I don’t think the video should have been shown. They should have shown some of the “manifesto” and some of the stills. They could have posted video and other info to their website. The continuing to argue that it was only a small portion of what they got is no excuse for how NBC’s reach for ratings entered into this. Will NBC allow questioning from other independent news organisations about how they arrived at the decisions that was made. Why, if it was the right decision yesterday, did NBC change what they are publishing today?
d1carter on April 19, 2007 at 6:36 PM
Mark Steyn (on Hugh Hewitt) made an excellent point:
it’s much different when something just shows up at a News Org and the decision to air/print it – it is altogether a different story when what shows up is the FINAL ACT in the 3 part deal
Sorry, it was wrong to air – it was tacky and insensitive to people in their first moments of grief…Bad form.
Topsecretk9 on April 19, 2007 at 6:53 PM
What I’d like to see will never happen. Every single news outlet would have done what NBC did, unfortunately. It’s not about news, or information, or the protection of the public. It’s about money. I understand that. NBC made the wrong decision – from an ethical and moral standpoint – but a profitable one from an economic standpoint.
I would have preferred NBC substituting its airing of the videos with the following statement:
“We at NBC received a package from the person responsible for the slaughter at the VaTech campus. The package contained rambling and incoherent statements from the killer, which provided no discernable insight into why he did what he did. It also included pictures and video containing images of the killer equipped with the weapons he ultimately used to slaughter his victims. We have decided not to broadcast what the killer wished use to broadcast on his behalf. Although we have a constitutional right to do so, we decided that we would rather not risk accommodating the wishes of the person who extinguished the lives of so many, or to encourage others to copy his acts, when there does not appear to be any good reason to air his rantings other than for ratings. We have provided what was mailed to NBC to the proper authorities, and if interested citizens truly wish to view the vile and incomprehensible rantings of Mr. Cho, they may petition for release of such information under the Freedom of Information Act.”
Like I said. Will never happen.
angler on April 19, 2007 at 7:01 PM
NBC News – Splashing vid, photos, and text of mass murdering loon on their networks and web site, just as the killer would have wished: Good.
NBC News – Withholding pictures of cartoons of Mohammid so viewers can see why the Islamoloons are engaging in rioting, murdering, torching embassies, and other assorted mayhem across the planet: Bad.
Brian Williams, Matt Laurer, the other telemprompter readers, NBC News as a whole, its management, and especially Steve Capus are crap.
sbvft contributor on April 19, 2007 at 7:03 PM
Well, you guys do feature Olbermann a lot on this site…
Slublog on April 19, 2007 at 6:09 PM
Heheh.
Whether it should have been aired or not, there’s no question the tape de-glamorized him. Even more than the mentally unstable rambling of a lunatic there was the very mundane, very recognizable rambling of a banal, unimaginative dork.
Alex K on April 19, 2007 at 7:07 PM
After NBC hanging on to Imus as long as they did (both pre- and post- NHH comment), I thought it would be a while b4 they disgraced themselves again. Little did we know it would only take them only a week.
….the worst part was the tanned and empty-headed Brain-dead Williams closing last nite’s broadcast by promoting today’s “Today” show where they would have yet more clips for everyone’s “viewing pleasure”. Can the MSM sink any lower?
Jerk Capus with the whole “we debated it for hours” baloney too – like they were so “tortured” over the decision. Ain’t buying it pal. Self-important blowhardery at its most vial.
sbvft contributor on April 19, 2007 at 7:07 PM
Let’s be honest, the media aired the videos to get the public worked up into an emotional state so the public would support their liberal gun control agenda. The media saw no problem with furthering the immortalizing the killer and the killer’s agenda as long as it fit the media’s template. Hey maybe it will set off a string of copycats, try to better this score.
What’s the similarity between Imus and the videos? NBC. Sick.
Democrats and their enablers in the drive-by media are easy to explain in one short sentence … Raise taxes, fund socialism and gun control.
tarpon on April 19, 2007 at 7:12 PM
Show me where the Constitution guarantees Free Speech for the departed.
News2Use on April 19, 2007 at 7:12 PM
Here’s what you said, emphasis added. Your choice of the words “pass judgment,” followed by the question at the end of your post, imply that we should not be engaged in this sort of discussion.
Slublog on April 19, 2007 at 7:36 PM
I do not think they should have showed it.
Exactly!! And all of the reasons “for” showing it pale in comparison.
And come on folks, the 1st Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with this! The 1st Amendment prohibits the GOVERNMENT from making a LAW abridging free speech and that’s ALL it does. It does not mean everyone has a right to have their own particular speech splashed across the airwaves of this nation.
Fatal on April 19, 2007 at 7:43 PM
AP gave us the criticism of a forensic psychiatrist and few in this thread have offered any sort of rebuttal to his statement. I went on to provide an example from my own life that supports the doctor’s claim. Most of you have not made a single attempt to say why we are wrong based upon the merits of our arguments. You are all coming up with “free speach” and “economics” and such.
How many times does someone with a treatable mental illness have to massacre our neighbors and loved ones before you realize that your ignorance endangers us all?
unamused on April 19, 2007 at 7:45 PM
I really hope the next nut-job has a little more deference to NBC and dresses in a way that saves their editors some valuable time.
SailorDave on April 19, 2007 at 7:50 PM
And in terms of the responsibility inherent in free speech:
with great power comes great responsibility.
If you don’t think that speech is an action, and that what you do does not affect all those around you, then you are on the wrong side of the political spectrum.
You would all hang Nancy Pelosi and Harry “The Cadaver” Ried for what they have said about and to our President and millitary, but you would give NBC the right to endanger our lives?
Don Imus can get canned for uttering a racial slur but NBC can give what amounts to an infomercial for future mass murderers and you give them a pass?
unamused on April 19, 2007 at 7:51 PM
This phony jerk Capus clown should do the honorable thing and resign. Sick of him last week, and now again this week with his phony “Listen to me – don’t I sound tired?” delivery, his phony 5 o’clock shadow, which is supposed to convey some type of non-existant “Can’t you tell – I’ve been awake for hours, me and my hardworking brave journalist colleagues here at NBC News “debating” this, and because of this phonyness I’ve just supposedly demonstrated, this of course will now serve as our justification for NBC broadcasting this filth”.
Ain’t buying it you jerk.
sbvft contributor on April 19, 2007 at 7:53 PM
I think it should all be made available to those of us who are interested in seeing it–probably through the internet would be best since there is so much profanity in it. But we should be able to choose for ourselves if we want to see it or not. The media should not choose for us what is appropriate or not for us to see. Make the information available and let us decide if it is interesting, useful, and relevant, or offensive, boring, and unenlightening. We have the choice to turn off the TV or walk away from the computer. But we do not have a choice when the material is never made available in the first place.
I am not swayed by the argument that showing Cho’s “manifesto” will inspire copycats. It very well might, but those ticking time bombs out there looking for something to light their fuses are either going to get help, or they are going to go off someday with or without NBC showing Cho’s manifesto. As we know from past mass killings, the trigger can be anything.
aero on April 19, 2007 at 7:55 PM
Maybe they “should not”, but they certainly do. Every single day THEY decide what they are going to show you and what they are going to bury. The most obvious indicators of just how biased the media is are those things they choose not to cover, not to show and not to publicize.
If you really think the MSM provides you with a “choice” of what to see and what not to see, you are a tad naive.
Fatal on April 19, 2007 at 8:01 PM
I not only don’t object to NBC releasing the material they have–I actually have a problem with how little they’ve released. I understand that it’s riddled with profanity, but I’m irritated by the lack of context for the little bits they’ve put out there. We have been led to believe that there is no context because it’s all just incomprehensible ramblings. Maybe so, maybe not. We have no way of knowing. Again–they should just put it out there and let us decide for ourselves. Those of you who don’t want to see it don’t have to look at it. But if it’s never even made available, those of us who do want to see it have no recourse. I don’t want to “glorify” the guy; I just want to know what he wrote and said for my own edification, and I don’t see why I shouldn’t be able to have that information if I want it.
aero on April 19, 2007 at 8:01 PM
When this becomes 10 percent of there airtime it means that they are showing it 6 minutes every hour or 144 minutes in a day.
That is only for ratings.
F15Mech on April 19, 2007 at 8:04 PM
I don’t think the media gives me choice. Because of the internet, though, I have the choice of viewing most information that I want, regardless of what the MSM decides they want me to see. In the case of the Cho manifesto, however, a mainstream media outlet has exclusive access to something I want to see, and they are choosing to release just bits and pieces of it–all heavily redacted so that my tender sensibilities won’t be offended or something like that. I am offended because I have grown used to being able to access pretty much any information I want, and now NBC and an easily offended public are keeping me from some information I want. That’s why I think they should just put it out there and let us do with it what we will.
aero on April 19, 2007 at 8:06 PM
I agree completely, which is why I said it influences and contributes. NBC and the rest of the media did not and have not and will not cause a tragedy. Contribution to tragedy, in light of already knowing you are contributing, is disgusting and immoral and wrong.
So, given that we know we have such nutjobs in our country and that there is no way to keep them going psy-cho, what do we do? Do we accept this fate and move on? That’s what I’m trying to focus on, solutions.
Can we all agree that at the center of this tragedy is the issue of untreated mental illness?
unamused on April 19, 2007 at 8:07 PM
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