As for facts, Canadian gun laws are akin to the Brady bill with a national registry etc. Get your facts straight Sparky.

honora on April 18, 2007 at 12:19 PM

Woops. Sorry.

In Canada, they’re dismantling the national registry, as it’s done nothing for gun crime and costs way more than they originally thought to maintain.

We essentially have the same thing here: you have to go through a BATF background check before you can get your gun. This involves going through the federal government. It didn’t appear to do much in the case of this shooting.

One gun in the right hands could have saved many lives. Gun control’s unintended but predictable results. Many are dead because one person, with no respect for our laws, attacked many who were left defenseless because they DID respect the laws.

This kind of gun control KILLS!

For home protection, I recommend a pump shotgun like the http://mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=5&display=desc# or Remington Model 870.

For mobile carry protection, I recommend a good semi automatic like the .45 Auto Ruger P345. It has become my personal favorite.

What ever weapon you decide to buy, make sure you learn how to use it. Practice, practice, practice.

Owning a gun will do you no good if you do not know how to use it during an encounter with a a crook that intends you bodily harm.That is not the time to fumble for the safety or remember how to rack a round into the chamber.

There are lots of good classes that teach self defense so that when the time comes to use the gun you will be able to use it to protect you or your family. In many situations, just the display of the weapon will stop the perpetrator cold but you have to be prepared to use it if that is not enough.

my 2 cents

VikingGoneWild on April 17, 2007 at 9:05 PM
Don’t tell him that. Those things are expensive.

JaHerrer,

Get a Remington 870 pump shotgun with an 18″ barrel. That’s all you need for home defense. Then get 00 buckshot and tactical shotgun training.

PRCalDude on April 17, 2007 at 9:27 PM

500 bones at Cabela’s.

Canada has similar gun laws to our own. Do you hear about widespread gun crime there? The fact is, after Britain banned guns, a crime wave spread over the entire nation. France is in a state of continuous intifada and has no private ownership of guns. In Switzerland, ownership of H&K military semi-automatic, magazine-fed rifles is ubiquitous, and it has the lowest murder rate in Europe.

You’re just parroting liberal straw-men that keep having to be debunked over and over and over again. Get some facts straight, at least.

Did you read my post? Of course not, just start blathering on. I very pointedly addressed the issue of gun laws likely NOT being the silver bullet. If you want to maintain a dialogue with me, you’re gonna have to address what I say, not what you would like me to say.

As for facts, Canadian gun laws are akin to the Brady bill with a national registry etc. Get your facts straight Sparky.

First, tomorrow is the 14th anniversary of the Waco Massacre and the 12th anniversary of the Murrah Bombing.

Second, I tend to favor the Winchester 1300 Defender. 12 Gauge, 8 round capacity, 18″ barrel.

Third, this is being touted as an example of the need for gun control laws (by the left) but it epitomizes why gun control laws are dangerous. This is the closest anyone has come to asking the question I asked when I first saw the story; “How many would have lived had some of them been armed?”

Fourth, it is unConstitutional for Virginia Tech to ban firearms on their campus. It is unConstitutional for the State of Virginia to bar the purchase of more than one handgun in 30 days.

Fifth, this permanent resident alien is not a citizen; he has no 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear.

Lastly, all it would have taken would have been one Ted Nugent or other cowboy with a gun to have been there that day, and perhaps 30 people would be alive who aren’t. It’s unlikely the death toll could have been any higher.

As to what the founders meant: have all the muskets you want.

Yep, and if you want free speech, you can have quill pens and hand presses, but you should be able to be arrested for “politically wrongful speech” on TV, the Internet, Telephones, or any other forms of communication that the Foudners were unaware of, because they weren’t part of their understanding of communication.

I do have a hard time extrapolating what the founders would have meant to do it today’s context. As does anyone who is honest about it.

Ok, I’ll end on that too. As I think my argument is at least as well founded as the 2nd amendment means musket position.

And if you disagree, the Feds will throw you in jail for having the “wrong” opinion on the internet. You’ll need to find me and tell me in person, or write me a letter to counter this claim… that seems fair, right?

honora on April 18, 2007 at 10:03 AM

Honora,

The founders were well aware that technology would improve. Thomas Jefferson, in his correspondences with Ben Franklin from Paris, spent most of his time discussing the latest inventions and scientific theories, and very little time discussing the diplomatic affairs he was sent on.

Canada has similar gun laws to our own. Do you hear about widespread gun crime there? The fact is, after Britain banned guns, a crime wave spread over the entire nation. France is in a state of continuous intifada and has no private ownership of guns. In Switzerland, ownership of H&K military semi-automatic, magazine-fed rifles is ubiquitous, and it has the lowest murder rate in Europe.

You’re just parroting liberal straw-men that keep having to be debunked over and over and over again. Get some facts straight, at least.

Jailbones,

You’re not helping. And why should anybody listen to somebody who refers to a magazine as a ‘clip?’ ‘Clips’ are used in fixed-magazine semi-auto rifles like the M1 Garand.

Who are you people?

spd rdr on April 17, 2007 at 7:35 PM

Don’t go away mad, bro.

JaHeyDere, I am personally recommending a 1911 handgun. The Glock 9mm is a serious weapon and comes with 10 round clips, if needed, and as we saw in Blacksburg, it works real good.

But, if you’re going gangster, you should consider the Dan Wesson Classic Bobtail 1911. The Bobtail design cuts short the grip, making concealment much more effective. It basically shortens the grip apparatus by 2″, and still holds a standard 7 rounds.

This is a .45, and packs a wallop. You will not be winging the enemy with this weapon; if you hit him, he will go down. Bones will break, blood will flow. Safety is of the utmost concern, and you will need training and practice to use this gun, and at $1,000, it’s not a small investment.

There are … too many words. Take some out.

Jaibones on April 18, 2007 at 10:27 AM

Sorry, I do run on sometimes. Just read every other one, won’t lose much. ;^)

I do have a hard time extrapolating what the founders would have meant to do it today’s context. As does anyone who is honest about it.

honora on April 18, 2007 at 10:03 AM

There are … too many words. Take some out.

Instinctively I want to ban assault weapons and more importantly have and/or enforce laws that require a stringent background check. But I am not certain that would help. What a dolt I must be.

The problem is that we have a much higher incident of murder in this country–much of it gun related, I would guess the vast majority–than other countries, e.g Canada, Europe. If easy access to guns is not the culprit, we need to ask ourselves, what is? In a way, a more troubling question.

As to what the founders meant: have all the muskets you want. Again, I’m not anti 2nd amendment, my first husband and my boys were gun enthusiasts. I do have a hard time extrapolating what the founders would have meant to do it today’s context. As does anyone who is honest about it.

Crazies are going to find a way.

The Second Amendment is the teeth.

You can only control the guns of the law-abiding, which defeats the whole point.

I like to think that when I say I’m a liberal who owns guns a few conservatives heads explode.

Nonfactor on April 17, 2007 at 6:53 PM

No, Nonfactor. You, in typical liberal fashion, analyze/nuance it too much. Those for guns believe in the freedom for all to own them.

Thanks for the ‘explosion’ of laughter, though.

VikingGoneWild on April 17, 2007 at 9:05 PM

Don’t tell him that. Those things are expensive.

JaHerrer,

Get a Remington 870 pump shotgun with an 18″ barrel. That’s all you need for home defense. Then get 00 buckshot and tactical shotgun training.

The one thing I like about a shotgun is the respect it gets when the bad guy hears you racking the first round in the barrel. I keep my 870 loaded with 00 buck. But as VikingGone Wild points out take a safety course before you purchase a gun.

don’t have a gun, but I’ve been wanting to get one, probably a shotgun; I don’t plan on carrying it around, I’m not that badass. Any reccomendations?

JaHerer22 on April 17, 2007 at 6:22 PM

First off I’d advise you to take a gun safety class if you didn’t when you were younger or if have no prior military weapons training. First rule, Every gun is a loaded gun.

I would recommend the the Beretta Model 1201FP-12g semi auto shotgun. I brought one these a few months ago and I haven’t been sorry or disappointed at the range.

http://www.berettausa.com/communities/le_mil/law_enforce_catalog.pdf

Page nine.

Who are you people?

spd rdr on April 17, 2007 at 7:35 PM

Very very angry people who are upset that over 30 innocent people were killed yesterday in cold blood.
That help?
Double worried after watching a local small school’s attempt to deal with security issues by making all the teachers wear photo IDs. It’s a small school, all the teachers know each other, very, very well. The administration somehow feels more secure.
Current school strategies scare me, they do not reassure me.

And if this perp was taking drugs for psychological problems, he would be disqualified from purchasing or owning firearms.

Thanks for the memories.
We’re done here.

spd rdr on April 17, 2007 at 8:16 PM

Huh?

Look, I’m sorry if it hurts that its gone political. It bugs me too, but we can’t change it.