Report: At least 20 29 32 dead, 28 wounded in shooting at Virginia Tech; Update: Chinese man on student visa? Update: Two suspects?

posted at 12:28 pm on April 16, 2007 by Allahpundit

Good lord. I’ve been peeking at this story for hours and until a few minutes ago there was one reported dead and the gunman was in custody. Now the death toll is 22 and the gunman is supposedly dead too.

Standby.

Update: Apparently one of the cops said at the presser that many of the dead were students in classrooms. The gunman had an ammo vest on and was unloading at will.

Update: They think there’s only one shooter, but verrrry odd: “Local FOX affiliate WFXR-TV in Richmond reported that one shooting occurred between 7:15 a.m. and 7:30 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, and another at 10 a.m. at Norris Hall.”

Update: More oddness from Fox: “On April 13, the campus closed three of its academic halls after they received a letter stating that explosive devices were in the building. Classes were canceled for the remainder of the day. A bomb threat was also made against Torgerson Hall on April 2.”

Update: Someone told Fox — purely unconfirmed — that the suspect went into Norris Hall looking for his girlfriend, then lined a bunch of people up and shot them execution-style. The debate at the moment is what kind of weapon he must have had.

Update: The scene at Norris Hall:

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Update: The press corps is already pushing Dana Perino about gun control. Drudge is pushing the other way.

Update: According to NBC, the killer used two 9mm handguns and killed himself. It’s officially the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history.

Update (Ian): Gun control talk at the WH briefing:

Update: Just got this from a reader who says it was posted on his VTech frat listserv. Grain of salt:

Zach just got back and he told us his story. he can tell u the details better but he deserves to be recognized immediately. He was in norris hall and heard the gunshots comign from down the hall. while others hid in the class room zach got up and got a few others to help him baracade the door with desks. He could hear the gunman coming down the hall opening doors n firing into class rooms. Zach then saw his door handle turn and the gun man tried to get in but zach slammed the door back shut, others then got up to help, trying to hold the door shut with desks. zach then said he heard the the gunman reload a new magazine and fired two shots directly through the door, luckily didnt hit anybody. the gunman then gave up an continued down the hall

Update: 29 now, says ABC News. Now Fox says it’s 32, according to federal sources.

Update: Virginia Tech’s college newspaper is posting bulletins here.

Update: CNN’s got video taken by someone on campus this morning. You can see the cops approaching the building and hear rounds being fired in the background. Apologies for the relatively long commercial; I’ll replace this with an embeddable clip once it pops up on LiveLeak or wherever. Click the image to watch. Update: Okay, replaced it with a video sans commercial.

Update: Thinking on the Margin has a map of the campus and notes that there’s quite a bit of distance between the two scenes of the crimes.

Update: Fox is hearing that the gunman might have chained the doors shut to stop people from escaping.

Update: According to WaPo, this is now the deadliest shooting spree of any kind, on campus or off, in American history. And if Wikipedia is right, it’s already the third worst in modern world history.

Update: It might not be relevant, but the Blotter’s found its angle and it’s sticking to it.

Update: Bush is going to speak at 4:15. I can’t imagine he’ll have anything interesting to say but we’ll have video. Here’s a description of the suspect from NBC and a suggestion that this wasn’t as random as it might seem:

The name of the gunman, whom witnesses described as a young Asian man wearing a maroon cap and a black leather jacket, was not released. It was not known if he was a student.

The man did not appear to be shooting at random, NBC News’ Pete Williams reported, quoting federal law enforcement officials. He appeared to have specifically targeted the two locations, a co-ed dormitory and a classroom in an engineering building.

Update: Drudge just linked to this video at LiveLeak from MSNBC of one of the shooting victims describing the gunman. According to the victim, he emptied a full magazine into the room, hitting between 10 to 15 people.

Update (Ian): A moment of silence in the House:

Update: ABC News is collecting eyewitness reactions. The V Tech administration is in for a world of trouble, it sounds like: “Communication from college? I checked my e-mail about 8:30…I went to my class as I usually would. By 8:30 no one was notified that something had happened at 7. We went onto a dangerous campus not knowing…”

Update (Ian): Obama makes a statement:

Update: More complaints about the university being slow to notify students after the first shooting:

“What happened today this was ridiculous,” student Jason Piatt told CNN. He said the first warning from the university of a shooting on campus came in an e-mail about two hours after the first deadly burst of gunfire. “While they’re sending out that e-mail, 22 more people got killed,” Piatt said.

Update: Dan Riehl‘s following rumors on the V Tech sports bulletin board that the shooter caught his girlfriend in bed with someone and shot both of them. That doesn’t make sense, though; how often do crimes of passion turn into spree killings?

Update: It’s 33 now, according to the president of V Tech.

Update: Dan’s theory makes more sense if you assume that the killer had been dumped recently by his GF and went to her dorm intending to kill her in the first place. In that case he might have planned the rampage beforehand.

Update (Ian): President Bush said the nation is “shocked and saddened” at a 4pm press conference:

Update: NBC is reporting that the first warning to students didn’t go out until the shooting in Norris Hall had begun:

About 9:15, the gunman chained the doors of the classroom building so his potential victims could not escape and police could not enter. Once inside There, he shot more than 50 people in multiple classrooms.

Not until 9:26 a.m. did the first warning to students and employees go out by e-mail, according to the time stamps on copies obtained by NBC News. By then, the shooting was over.

The first e-mail had few details. It said: “A shooting incident occurred at West Amber Johnston earlier this morning. Police are on the scene and are investigating.” The message warned students to be cautious and contact police about anything suspicious.

Maurice Hiller, a student, told The Associated Press that he went to a 9 a.m. class just two buildings away from the engineering building and that no warnings were coming over the outdoor public address system on campus at the time.

Update: VTech student Erin Sheehan was in German class when the killer opened the door and “peeked in”:

“It seemed so strange,” Sheehan said. “Because he peaked in twice, earlier in the lesson, like he was looking for someone, somebody, before he started shooting. But then we all heard something like drilling in the walls, and someone thought they sounded like bullets. That’s when we blockaded the door to stop anyone from coming in.”

“He was just a normal looking kid, Asian, but he had on a Boy Scout type outfit. He wore a tan button up vest, and this black vest, maybe it was for ammo or something.”

“I saw bullets hit people’s body,” Sheehan said.

Update: I read somewhere earlier that it’s only a 10 minute walk or so between the dorm and Norris Hall. Where did the killer go between 7:15 and 9?

Update: Why wasn’t the school shut down after the first shooting? “According to Dr. Charles Steger, president of Virginia Tech, the administration locked down Ambler Johnston Hall dormitory after the first shooting. But classes weren’t cancelled because it was believed to be a domestic dispute and campus police thought that the shooter had left the campus.”

Update: Sounds like the cops know who the killer is. The 7:30 press conference is coming up; maybe they’re about to reveal.

Investigators offered no motive for the attack, reports CBS News correspondent Bob Orr. Police have been working on identifying the suspect and say they expect to release the name in the coming hours. When asked if the gunman was a student, police say “something like that,” indicating that perhaps he was a teaching assistant, reports Orr.

Update: The cops are being awfully coy about not linking the first shooting to the second, insisting that they’re waiting for lab tests to come back. The Chicago Sun-Times claims to have a hot tip about the killer’s — or one of the killers’ — ID:

Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa.

The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Investigators have not linked him to any terrorist groups, the source said.

Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus’ security response, the source said.

Update: I’m utterly confused by the press conference. The cops claim they were speaking to a “person of interest” in the first shooting, who knew the two victims, when they got the word about the second shooting. They refuse to say whether that person has been ruled out yet.

Update: An interesting tip from reader Michael B. — there was a gun show in Roanoke County this weekend. Says Michael, he could have purchased anything he needed there with minimal background checks.

Update: Via Drudge, the Daily Mail embellishes the caught-in-bed theory: “He was said to have quarrelled in a dormitory with his girlfriend, whom he believed had been seeing another man. A student adviser was called to sort out the row. But the killer produced a gun and shot dead both his girlfriend and the adviser.”

Update: MSNBC says the “person of interest” is cooperating with police, is not in custody, and is not believed to be under suspicion. Federal and state cops all say they think it’s the work of a lone gunman.

Update: Early reports of two 9mm handguns appear to have been wrong. It was one 9mm and one .22.


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james hooker on April 16, 2007 at 12:30 PM

Pray for the victims and their families

Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2007 at 12:33 PM

Suspect “asian” male in his 20′s.

This is horrific.

SillyRyno on April 16, 2007 at 12:33 PM

Damn….

EnochCain on April 16, 2007 at 12:34 PM

Wow. This is horrible. Prayers for the families.

Stormy70 on April 16, 2007 at 12:35 PM

As a Hokie alumni, this is a deep heart-ache. Blacksburg was heaven on earth, now it is corrupted.

Valiant on April 16, 2007 at 12:35 PM

And the top thread at DUmmie land?

“The NRA is responsible for more slaughter in the US in one year than Al Qaeda on 9/11″

The call for more gun laws will start up now, without any consideration that the majority of gun violences are committed in gun-prohibited zones (such as schools, federal buildings, etc.) Criminals will get guns and shoot people if they have the drive to.

Enoxo on April 16, 2007 at 12:36 PM

I can’t help but think what could have happened if one of the profs or one of the students was able to carry a gun to class…

The shooting only stops when the shooter runs out of ammo or is killed…by a gun.

Tim Burton on April 16, 2007 at 12:39 PM

Speechless. Right now all we can do is pray for the victims and families. One ‘nut’, again, stops America in her tracks.

Limerick on April 16, 2007 at 12:39 PM

horrible horrible story
my prayers go out to all of them

Defector01 on April 16, 2007 at 12:39 PM

…And my prayers go out to the families. :(

Tim Burton on April 16, 2007 at 12:40 PM

Shocka: Guns are illegal at Virgnia Tech. Obviously, this crime didn’t happen.

(Okay, I’m being sarcastic. How long do y’all think it’s going to be before Virginia’s “Gun Culture!!!!11!!!1!!” is blamed for this horror?)

Brian on April 16, 2007 at 12:42 PM

The students and faculty were barricading themselves in their classrooms after what one person described as an Asian student wearing a vest opened fire.

Asian. Let the PC obfuscation begin.

Lord help.

spmat on April 16, 2007 at 12:43 PM

If the dude’s name turns out to be Mohammed or Abu-something, don’t expect to hear about it anytime soon from the MSM.

-Bryan @ Sanctuary Blog

Prophet on April 16, 2007 at 12:44 PM

This is a horrible story. How long before President Bush is blamed for this……….

Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2007 at 12:45 PM

SJS?

Buck Turgidson on April 16, 2007 at 12:46 PM

Police also said there is no evidence the two shootings at opposite ends of campus were related.

From Fox news WTF ?

William Amos on April 16, 2007 at 12:47 PM

Since it’s in Virginiastan, I’m guessing religion of peace. Pray for the victims!

PRCalDude on April 16, 2007 at 12:47 PM

This is eerily reminiscent of the Trolley Square massacre in Salt Lake not too long ago, also a lone gunman. My prayers with the families of the people involved!

On that note, there’s a lot about this story that is odd. There’s a shooting at one end of campus, then over an hour later someone goes on a rampage at the other end? No one was on the lookout, etc? And the story as it stands right now is that the two incidents are unrelated? I’m sure we’ll get more news, but this is horrible.

Vanceone on April 16, 2007 at 12:47 PM

And the top thread at DUmmie land?
“The NRA is responsible for more slaughter in the US in one year than Al Qaeda on 9/11″

Enoxo on April 16, 2007 at 12:36 PM

And when I was making Frank’s coffee, listening to this story, I said, “This is why we should be allowed to carry anywhere we please. Post offices, Federal buildings, schools, universities… Law abiding citizens not allowed to defend themselves yet again. So sad.”

sarahk on April 16, 2007 at 12:48 PM

HOLY SH!T.

:(

Kai on April 16, 2007 at 12:49 PM

First I felt shock and horror on hearing this news. My prayers go out to these families. Totally senseless tragedy.
Then, my next thoughts are on how the anti-gun crowd must really love this type of news story. It is the fuel that will drive their cause for the next couple of years.
Oh, and I’m sure that rosie will have some very useful comments on this as well.
Evil simply exists on this planet. It exists in many forms.
I hope the families eventually find peace.

hoosierken on April 16, 2007 at 12:49 PM

This story is just awful…. I know some people at VT… I hope they are all ok. My prayers for all those hurt and killed and their families, and for all of the students. I can’t imagine something like this happening when I was in school. sheesh….

dead-duck on April 16, 2007 at 12:49 PM

As a Virginian, and like all Virginians, we are only two persons removed from knowing someone attending that school. It is always either a friend or a friend of a friend that goes there.

As to the legality/illegality of guns on campus, I’m not sure that has much bearing on this issue. A crazed whacko, properly motivated, can get his bodycount. Personally, I’m more apt to blame first person shooter video games than gun laws…. This is just such a tragedy.

BelchSpeak on April 16, 2007 at 12:51 PM

ABC News has this picture of a man being arrested

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_va_shooting2_070416_nr.jpg

William Amos on April 16, 2007 at 12:51 PM

Geez, every parents (and students) nightmare.

Wuptdo on April 16, 2007 at 12:52 PM

Personally, I’m more apt to blame first person shooter video games than gun laws

You plan on blaming racing games for highway accidents?

spmat on April 16, 2007 at 12:55 PM

I think the police had led several people out in handcuffs, then un-cuffed them after their innocence was determined. The picture is without proper context at this time.

Stormy70 on April 16, 2007 at 12:56 PM

BelchSpeak,

You’re absolutely correct–the only person to blame here is the evil killer who did it. I’m pre-emptively pointing out that VTech already outlawed guns in anticipation of the EXTREME LIBERAL OUTCRY which is CERTAIN to appear any minute now.

In other words, you can bet dollars to donuts that our Governor will be on the television this afternoon demanding that we pass strict gun control laws, immediately.

I hope I’m wrong.

Regards,
Brian

Brian on April 16, 2007 at 12:57 PM

Tragic. Horrific. Heartbreaking.
I can’t take it…
I’m done with news for the day, maybe the week.

I need a hit of Dire Straits, with an AC/DC chaser…
oh yeah

Tru2my2 on April 16, 2007 at 12:58 PM

BelchSpeak – Ditto.

I have surf’d most of the major networks. They need to back-off, take a breather, and get the facts straight.

Wuptdo on April 16, 2007 at 12:58 PM

Another picture of the Chaos

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_va_shooting_070416_nr.jpg

William Amos on April 16, 2007 at 12:58 PM

Asian. Let the PC obfuscation begin.

spmat on April 16, 2007 at 12:43 PM

You mean it wasn’t some angry radical Christian pissed off that the school didn’t allow him to pray on break?

Bush/Rove blamed in 5, 4, 3, 2 …

Gregor on April 16, 2007 at 12:59 PM

If there was two shooters could they be Muslims? After all VA has tons of them and Indonesia is the second largest population of Muslims.

Tim Burton on April 16, 2007 at 12:59 PM

ABC news is now reporting 25 dead

William Amos on April 16, 2007 at 12:59 PM

DU thread.

What to say.

BillLalor on April 16, 2007 at 1:01 PM

Now they are saying one shooter, so scratch my above question.

Tim Burton on April 16, 2007 at 1:02 PM

The most disturbing pattern of the late 20th and early 21st centuries: school shootings.

I cannot escape the quote: “in the end time, right will be wrong and wrong will be right.”

God help us all.

unamused on April 16, 2007 at 1:02 PM

Oh boy..this is terrible.

Viper1 on April 16, 2007 at 1:02 PM

Can we lay off the politics until we get an idea of who and why?

see-dubya on April 16, 2007 at 1:03 PM

Sigh ABC news is rporting its 25 and expected to go up even further

William Amos on April 16, 2007 at 1:03 PM

God this is horrible. My thoughts are with everyone affected by this madness.

It’s sounding like one shooter. If the reports of him looking for his girlfriend are true, then potentially he went to a dorm to find her, shot one person there, and then went to a classroom where he thought she’d be and shot more people there? That’s sounding like the most plausible scenario at this point.

World B. Free on April 16, 2007 at 1:04 PM

From DU Thread mentioned above:

7. This will be the distraction

To the gonzo hearings tomorrow. I am not saying that it was planned that way. It just will be.

Democrats:
No, don’t question their patriotism, question their humanity.

unamused on April 16, 2007 at 1:05 PM

our Governor will be on the television this afternoon demanding that we pass strict gun control laws, immediately

Im a big critic of Governor Kaine too. But he has surprised me in some of his level-headedness in the past. When Will Morva, an escaped loon was running around VA Tech last year, Kaine dispatched “an overwhelming” force of state troopers to the campus.

From the photos shown earlier, it looks like mostly local sherriffs department are on the scene. Troopers will certainly sweep in immediately to take over.

Hopefully Kaine will do something level-headed here- such as increase training and readiness to rural cities with large schools, such as Blacksburg and Charlottesville.

BelchSpeak on April 16, 2007 at 1:06 PM

This is not going to make my Columbine week any better. Good God! This is horrifying…

techinblack on April 16, 2007 at 1:07 PM

Pray for the students and their families.

Can we lay off the politics until we get an idea of who and why?
see-dubya on April 16, 2007 at 1:03 PM

100% agree.

SouthernDem on April 16, 2007 at 1:07 PM

more pics

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_va_shooting3_070416_nr.jpg

William Amos on April 16, 2007 at 1:08 PM

Pray for the victims and their families

Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2007 at 12:33 PM

Amen. God bless them all. I want very badly to believe that God just had an unexpected angel shortage and needed to call a few extra home.

Life is so short and so precious. This morning my wife unexpectedly had to go to work at 6:00 a.m. because her assistant’s (rather young) mother suddenly died without warning.

Life is so short.

I hope the victims are in a better place. My prayers for their families. I cannot imagine the horror every parent of a Virginia Tech student is feeling right now, if they haven’t heard from their kids … and if you’re a VT student, make damn sure you call your family.

————————————

It’s time to start arming teachers, security guards … and perhaps college RAs? It’s time. Liberals are (unsurprisingly) so very wrong on this …. and your children might pay the price. We need trained people with firearms available at school and at work.

These tragedies only happen because we don’t let ourselves prepare for them.

And please …. if it turns out that the shooter does have an Islamic/Arabic name or background …. could we PLEASE have a rational, objective discussion that includes that fact?

Cultural sensitivity is killing our children. I’m all for respecting other cultures – all I want is an honest debate that includes all of the facts. I can’t believe anyone is opposed to that concept.

Professor Blather on April 16, 2007 at 1:08 PM

World B–yeah, but I’m also hearing that the gunman is dead and I see that picture of the guy being arrested.

It was either the Blacksburg paper or the Fox News site that said local police didn’t think the two events were connected.

My prayers and sympathies to everyone at VT. What a horrible day.

see-dubya on April 16, 2007 at 1:08 PM

Oh my gosh, those poor folks and their families.

Mr. Bingley on April 16, 2007 at 1:09 PM

Can we lay off the politics until we get an idea of who and why?

see-dubya

Point taken. I saw “Asian male” and immediately thought about the British media context of using the same phrase, i.e. terrorists. Then William put up the pic of the perp, and I felt like an idiot.

This is looking like an incident of a psychotic breakdown, jilted boyfriend thing.

spmat on April 16, 2007 at 1:10 PM

Further to see-dubya and unamused comments —

awful as it is what DUmmies are saying, it’s almost as bad for commenters at conservative sites to immediately ask whether the shooter(s) has a Muslim name etc. IMO The latter is almost as bad and helps give conservatives a bad rap.

BillLalor on April 16, 2007 at 1:10 PM

Some but not all the dead were students. One student was killed in a dorm and the others were killed in the classroom, Virginia Tech Police Chief W.R. Flinchum.

William Amos on April 16, 2007 at 1:10 PM

It is odd that they refuse to give the name of the suspect.

There will soon be an outcry about guns. I say everyone to defend oneself should carry one if it took the police that long to respond. What a tragedy.

januarius on April 16, 2007 at 1:10 PM

Can we lay off the politics until we get an idea of who and why?

Hear hear.

daveintexas on April 16, 2007 at 1:11 PM

BelchSpeak,

I hear ya. I’m hoping for the best, of course.

Regards,
Brian

Brian on April 16, 2007 at 1:11 PM

Anyone who can execute people like that is definately not someone who values any human life. Anyone want to bet that this person who shot them didn’t legally own a gun.

Egfrow on April 16, 2007 at 1:11 PM

I do wonder who’s being arrested in that picture William Amos posted. All accounts I’ve seen say the shooter’s dead.

Tanya on April 16, 2007 at 1:12 PM

My guess is that they heard about an asian male and arrested that guy thinking he might be the gunman. Again They say gunman is dead so is unlikely that is the guy.

William Amos on April 16, 2007 at 1:15 PM

From a student, on a voice call on Fox News a few secs ago…

“We’re locked in our dorm rooms, surfing the internet.”

So nothing’s really changed for the student body then, yeah?

Prophet on April 16, 2007 at 1:15 PM

Like other people in this thread, I can’t help but wonder how this story would be different if the law actually allowed people to defend themselves.

A gunman like this might get 1 or 2 people before being stopped if an armed citizen was nearby.

In order for a crime like this to be even possible, the first step is to disarm the populace, yet how long will it take before this event is used to rally people to enact more anti gun legislation.

JayHaw Phrenzie on April 16, 2007 at 1:17 PM

My guess is that they heard about an asian male and arrested that guy thinking he might be the gunman. Again They say gunman is dead so is unlikely that is the guy.

Yeah, I screencapped that photo awhile ago but won’t run it until we hear more. Everyone says the gunman is dead. I think the photo shows an innocent man.

Allahpundit on April 16, 2007 at 1:17 PM

“We’re locked in our dorm rooms, surfing the internet.”

So nothing’s really changed for the student body then, yeah?

Prophet on April 16, 2007 at 1:15 PM

They are probably playing GTA on their ps2 and shooting hookers and cops as we speak. So, no, nothing has changed.

lorien1973 on April 16, 2007 at 1:18 PM

The school’s Web site earlier said one shooter was in custody and officials searched for a second shooter as “part of routine police procedure,” but during the press conference Monday, police said they believe there was only one shooter.

Geez! Why is it so hard for the press to put out accurate info? Is he dead, or has he been arrested? Or were there two shooters?

Gregor on April 16, 2007 at 1:18 PM

I’ve been contemplating application for concealed carry. I’m done contemplating. May God comfort the victims families and the survivors and witnesses. This is so bad. There are no words.

Buck Turgidson on April 16, 2007 at 1:18 PM

How horrible this must be for the parents who are trying to contact their kids right now.

EnochCain on April 16, 2007 at 1:20 PM

I’m done contemplating.
Buck Turgidson on April 16, 2007 at 1:18 PM

Welcome aboard. I don’t recall any ‘carriers’ being massacred.

Limerick on April 16, 2007 at 1:20 PM

http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22William+Morva%22&sid=breitbart.com

Some dude named “William Morva” is being labeled as the suspect. He’s an escaped inmate, I think.

Kai on April 16, 2007 at 1:22 PM

From USA TOday from police report

“At this time,we believe there is only one gunman, yes. He is deceased,” Finchum told reporters. “We do not know if the shooter was a student or not.”

The university told students to stay inside and away from windows as police swept the campus and worked to establish whether the gunman acted alone.

On the website, Tech reported the shootings at opposite sides of the 2,600-acre campus at West Ambler Johnston, a co-ed residence hall that houses 895 people, and said there were “multiple victims” at Norris Hall, an engineering building. All entrances to the campus were closed and classes canceled through Tuesday.

CNN broadcast a video, shot on a cellphone by a passerby of police entering Norris Hall. At least 28 shots could be heard on the video.

William Amos on April 16, 2007 at 1:23 PM

If there was one shooter, then the two shootings are related. We’ll know more, as the fog lifts.

Not sure what to make of the Asian dude wearing black being arrested, because he sure doesn’t look dead. He does match the initial description. If that’s the case, then the incidents might me unrelated and there are two shooters.

Krydor on April 16, 2007 at 1:24 PM

Oh wai, that’s an old shooting disregard plz.

Kai on April 16, 2007 at 1:24 PM

Some dude named “William Morva” is being labeled as the suspect. He’s an escaped inmate, I think.

That is the gentleman who did the 2006 shootings at VA Tech. I dont know why yhe press is putting his name out now

William Amos on April 16, 2007 at 1:24 PM

As soon as my son comes home from school today, I am going to give him the biggest hug and tell how much I love him. Pray for the family and friends of these victims, I am.

d1carter on April 16, 2007 at 1:25 PM

First reports are frequently wrong. Let’s all sit back, take a breath, have a Diet Coke, and wait for the facts. It will take a few hours to sort out the basic facts. We’ll know the story by the evening news.

Tantor on April 16, 2007 at 1:26 PM

Buck–do it.

Beslan was the incident that made me get off my butt and get a permit.

juliesa on April 16, 2007 at 1:26 PM

Some dude named “William Morva” is being labeled as the suspect. He’s an escaped inmate, I think.

But they’re saying Morva was captured, while the gunman is dead. Two separate incidents, and Morva was responsible for the first, maybe?

Pablo on April 16, 2007 at 1:26 PM

Welcome aboard. I don’t recall any ‘carriers’ being massacred.

Limerick on April 16, 2007 at 1:20 PM

One of the saddest things for me, whenever these massacres happen, is realizing just how little it would take to save many of these people.

One guy with a handgun. That’s all it would take. He wouldn’t have to be Chuck Norris. He wouldn’t even have to be very well-trained. Just armed and brave enough to point in the right direction.

Just long enough to distract the guy. You don’t have to hit him. Just distract him enough that he has to worry. Just slow him down enough so that a few more people can get away. Just distract him long enough for SWAT to show up.

It doesn’t have to be this way. There is no good reason that the the law-abiding 99.9% of us are always unarmed and at the mercy of that 0.1% of the population.

Whoever up in the thread made the comment about up being down and right being wrong … got it just about right. This is crazy. The world is backwards.

Professor Blather on April 16, 2007 at 1:26 PM

I called my niece as soon as I read this story, (she’s a junior there.) Thank God she was not there today. Thank God. Of course she is frantically trying to get in touch with her friends. Ugh.

foxforce91 on April 16, 2007 at 1:27 PM

Please stop with the Morva comments. That shooting was in August 2006. Come on people!

Gregor on April 16, 2007 at 1:28 PM

William Morva was the jail or psych ward escapee who terrorized Tech’s campus last fall. Not the same incident.

SicSemperTyrannus on April 16, 2007 at 1:29 PM

Sigh ABC News reports 29 dead now

William Amos on April 16, 2007 at 1:30 PM

Morva was the escaped crazy that was at VA Tech last year. He is in jail now. He is not involved. VA Tech college paper is describing it as two shooting incidents. And the shooter is confirmed dead.
http://collegemedia.com/

They are allowing the students still there to reunite with their loved ones.

BelchSpeak on April 16, 2007 at 1:31 PM

I called my niece as soon as I read this story, (she’s a junior there.) Thank God she was not there today. Thank God. Of course she is frantically trying to get in touch with her friends. Ugh.

foxforce91 on April 16, 2007 at 1:27 PM

I’m glad to hear it, foxforce. God bless you. Thank you for posting some good news.

Professor Blather on April 16, 2007 at 1:31 PM

May God comfort the families.

Read the Freeper thread Allah linked to above. January 31, a VA bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died. The comments are from today.

INC on April 16, 2007 at 1:31 PM

foxforce91, thank God your niece is OK.

INC on April 16, 2007 at 1:32 PM

The scientists and the physicalists of the Sociopath try to explain away these types by saying that chemically they don’t register ideas such as pain, damage, hurt, injury and death.

It’s still immoral.

ar_basin on April 16, 2007 at 1:32 PM

Can we lay off the politics until we get an idea of who and why?

see-dubya on April 16, 2007 at 1:03 PM

Amen to that friend. Every parent’s nightmare, God help them.

honora on April 16, 2007 at 1:32 PM

Can we lay off the politics until we get an idea of who and why?

see-dubya

Agreed…If you’re the praying type, now’s the time…

JetBoy on April 16, 2007 at 1:34 PM

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