Video: White woman explains to black woman why “nappy headed” isn’t offensive
posted at 12:56 pm on April 11, 2007 by Bryan
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If you’re anything like me, you’re really really tired of the Don Imus story. It went from the stupid to the profane the minute he grovelled to Al Sharpton and really hasn’t recovered its mojo since.
But still, it has created some spinoff situations that are just too good to pass up.
Take, for instance, a segment on Red Eye last night, in which a white woman attempted to define racist terms against the arguments of a black woman. Panelist Rachel Marsden argued that “nappy headed” is not offensive, since the Rutgers players don’t actually wear diapers on their heads. Or something like that. Tia Williams, on the right in the screenshot, disagreed. The ombudsman clears things up at the end. Click to play.
In addition to what Levy said, I can see a couple of problems with Rachel’s analysis. One, we generally let people define what terms offend them, since being genuinely offended is usually a gut or instinctive reaction. Two, the comment was made in America, not Britain, and here in America, “nappy” doesn’t mean diaper.
Context, Rachel. Context.
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Make it stop…..pleeeeeaaasssseee make it stop.
honora on April 11, 2007 at 12:58 PM
All three of you are screencap masters.
Slublog on April 11, 2007 at 12:58 PM
Yup. This is reaching Anna Nicole Smith levels of media saturation.
Slublog on April 11, 2007 at 12:58 PM
Marsden is actually Canuckistani.
I’m not particularly impressed by her. She’s like FNC’s conservative counter to Chesty McTalkingPoints, but with short skirts and gratuitous leg shots instead of cleavage.
Bad Candy on April 11, 2007 at 1:01 PM
Next story.
Imus’ paternity suit! More DNA testing.
Stay tuned…
Kokonut on April 11, 2007 at 1:02 PM
I agree with honora and Slubbo, please God, end this Imus nightmare!
And they really are good with screencaps, did you guys just pick it up, or did Allah show you guys the way of the master?
Bad Candy on April 11, 2007 at 1:04 PM
Seriously,
What is exactly a “nappy-headed hos”? Is there a picture out there as an example that will clarify this?
Kokonut on April 11, 2007 at 1:04 PM
We’re just good. Hot Air doesn’t hire chumps, ya know.
Bryan on April 11, 2007 at 1:05 PM
Oh please. Anyone can screencap.
Alex K on April 11, 2007 at 1:06 PM
Gee Bryan, I wish you tired of the Coulter story this quickly or do you find what she did more offensive?
TheBigOldDog on April 11, 2007 at 1:08 PM
Uhhh…my black friends refer to their hair as nappy.
It may not be exactly complimentary depending on how you say it, but it’s hardly racist.
Are white folks allowed to say ashy or not?
I can’t watch the vid at work, but if the white commentator isn’t even familiar enough with the vernacular to know that nappy has nothing to do with diapers in this instance, she shouldn’t have even been in the room for this conversation.
TexasDan on April 11, 2007 at 1:08 PM
Alright you. I know a agitator when I see one…..don’t make me come down/up/over there!!
honora on April 11, 2007 at 1:09 PM
I’ll take you at your word. Nappy headed is slang for the kinky hair many people of African decent have. Ho is Whore.
Nappy headed ho = Black Whore.
TheBigOldDog on April 11, 2007 at 1:10 PM
The sheer number of whites who haven’t got a clue as to what this term means is ample evidence of where Imus learned it in the first place — from the black culture, where deriding each other is the weirdest thing, but somehow mandatory.
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The Machine on April 11, 2007 at 1:11 PM
TheBigOldDog, if you bring Coulter up out of context one more time, you’re banned. The two stories are dissimilar for a whole bunch of reasons. And Coulter was WEEKS ago now, but people like you are the ones who keep dredging it up.
You’re obsessed that we took a stand with which you disagreed. One time, out of hundreds or maybe thousands of stories. Take some simple advice. Get. Over. It.
Bryan on April 11, 2007 at 1:11 PM
On the same note, I forgot to point out that Al Sharpton has used hair straightening agents on his own hair for years.
I guess because he doesn’t appreciate what he looks like, he must not like the way God made him, he doesn’t want to be called “nappy-headed”.
Strong.
Subtle.
Nuanced.
Ick.
.
The Machine on April 11, 2007 at 1:13 PM
Heh, guess not.
I could make a joke on Ian and Allah, but I’ll refrain from picking the low hanging fruit for once in my life.
Bad Candy on April 11, 2007 at 1:15 PM
Yeah, nappy’s not an intrinsically racist term. Imus made it that way by putting it in a scary-black-amazons vs. cute-white-girls context.
Alex K on April 11, 2007 at 1:17 PM
Given how offended Tia was by the use of the word, and how Rachel went to such bizarre lengths to defend its use, am I the only one who finds it a little ironic that Rachel’s hair is actually more “nappy” than Tia’s in the first place?
Watcher on April 11, 2007 at 1:17 PM
Rachel’s a clown.
Enrique on April 11, 2007 at 1:21 PM
Valid point, actually. My daughter has nappy hair. She’s a white Irish lass. Can’t find a straightener that works.
Connie on April 11, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Really? Then what does it mean?
aengus on April 11, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Please!!! We all know Imus only did this to distract from Ms. Pelosi’s violation of the Logan Act!
Imus, you magnificent bastard!
db on April 11, 2007 at 1:23 PM
Touchy…
netherman79 on April 11, 2007 at 1:25 PM
Like the nap on a painting roller – short and kinky – frizy.
American Heritage Dictionary – Cite This Source nap·py 1 (nāp’ē) Pronunciation Key
adj. nap·pi·er, nap·pi·est
Having a nap; fuzzy.
Kinky; frizzy.
TheBigOldDog on April 11, 2007 at 1:25 PM
Kinky.
But what does kinky mean?
Connie on April 11, 2007 at 1:27 PM
Nope. Just tired of it.
Bryan on April 11, 2007 at 1:28 PM
Rachael Marsden is an idiot. Can’t they find some cute girl who can think fast enough to be on the show? I’ve been watching it most nights and she is constantly wince-inducing.
Bad Penny on April 11, 2007 at 1:31 PM
When one puts the words nappy-headed and ho together, it is offensive. When it is used to describe young college athletes, it is offensive. Imus lived by the liberal sword, and now he is dying by it. Red on red.
Stormy70 on April 11, 2007 at 1:35 PM
I had to look up “nappy” at dictionary.com just to see what the hub-bub was about.
jdpaz on April 11, 2007 at 1:37 PM
Rachel, you need to get out more.
You took being clueless to a whole new level.
If you don’t know ask somebody very tactfully.
TheFamousOne on April 11, 2007 at 1:38 PM
Michelle posted ten stories that dont have anything to do with Imus yesterday, is anyone paying attention? or does she need to shout it a little louder..
Viper1 on April 11, 2007 at 1:41 PM
Funny and good point. You can of course say someone is ashy, but only in the same way you would point out that someone has dandruff. With tact. You just can’t paint a group of people as being ashy.
And if Imus had called the Rutgers team “ashy” it would have still been racist.
BelchSpeak on April 11, 2007 at 1:42 PM
Generally, we do. But that is wrong. Offsensive relativism is just as bad as moral relativism. Either its offensive or it ain’t. And “nappy-headed” ain’t. Neither is “ho” because its black-speak from the ‘hood. The double standard of what whites say and what blacks say. What people really should complain about is the coarsing of society.
Andy in Agoura Hills on April 11, 2007 at 1:44 PM
Now this is ridiculous :
Note the word used as s synonym for “frustrated” in the last sentence.
sibobr on April 11, 2007 at 1:46 PM
All this time I assumed I was in the minority because I found Schultz’s forced sexual ambiguity with Gutfeld and exasperation with Rachel schtick tedious, but I now realize from the comments that RedEye viewers really REALLY hate Rachel.
When put into that context, Schultz is fabulous!
Oh well. I know when I can’t win. I now profess my forced sexually-ambiguous love for Bill and The Schultz Schtick… oh, and next time Rachel speaks I’ll be sure to roll my eyes and snark as soon as she’s finished talking.
ScottMcC on April 11, 2007 at 1:55 PM
Quite right… it’s waaaayyy past old.
dalewalt on April 11, 2007 at 2:00 PM
Bryan, I could not agree with you more.
Besides–only a complete nimnul would confuse a “nappy headed ho” with an “emaciated gorgon.”
What?! Don’t look at me. I am not responsible for either one of those two colorful metaphors. (I AM rather envious of the poster that thought of the latter one, however.)
CyberCipher on April 11, 2007 at 2:01 PM
Abdul-Salaam ?
arrgghhh
Connie on April 11, 2007 at 2:02 PM
Nappy I thought was a term referring to hankerchiefs used to wrap around and cover fully the head. “Hos” I understand. But didn’t some people call a certain group a bunch of diaper heads? Or maybe it’s time to call a certain “CARE”ing organization as a bunch of diaper headed hos? Ooooh, wait. The Imams won’t like that. Just another reason to file a frivolous lawsuit.
Kokonut on April 11, 2007 at 2:07 PM
Imus offended me, and just the headline of this article offended me, much less Rachel’s stupid logic. That’s like a black friend telling you “being called a cracker shouldn’t offend you because it’s something on a store shelf.” Huh. Anyway, I wouldn’t want someone fired or their life threatened if they called me a cracker, but I wouldn’t appreciate it either. Imus intended to shock and be rude (how bout “ho,” Rachel – you like being called that??) and it was over the top and over the line. Suspension should be adequate and hopefully in the future he’ll think before he spews venom.
eucher on April 11, 2007 at 2:10 PM
arrgghh
Abdul-Salaam said she also has been stymied in efforts to designate Mrs. King’s birthday as a state holiday. Reminds me of a Little Rascals character.
sibobr on April 11, 2007 at 2:14 PM
According to my handy dandy Merriam-Websters Vest Pocket Dictionary, apparently a racist publication, because they have included the word napy, and the description of which is as follows…(a soft downy surface). Wow, now that is slanderess!
soulsirkus on April 11, 2007 at 2:22 PM
Just read Michelle’s blog today and everything will be in perspective. The proverbial calling the kettle black.
When black leaders really start tackling the problems that are important, like education, jobs, welfare, single moms, etc., then they can worry about some idiot who uses words that are wrong, but not nearly as bad as what their kids listen to hour after hour.
With leaders like this there is no need for the KKK or any other racist group. They are doing more harm to their own than any racist could ever accomplish.
right2bright on April 11, 2007 at 2:36 PM
Sounds like one of those “Don’t make me pull this car over!” moments.
allie on April 11, 2007 at 2:42 PM
Yup. This story jumped the shark before the shark was born. Right around the last time
peopledinosaursthe sunsome unknown SUV users were causing the first great Global Warming catastrophe.Truly boring, truly stupid. And I still don’t really know what the hell “nappy headed” actually means. I assumed it was some variant of bed-head. Whatever it is, it must be important, since it’s kept Iraq and Global Warming off my television. Hell, I just barely managed to find out who Anna Nicole’s baby-daddy was! And that’s just wrong!
Damn you, Imus.
So I’m sure it’s been asked but … can anyone explain how I hear people – now both black and white – call women “bitches” and “hos” pretty much constantly … but I’m supposed to be upset about Imus?
Never mind. I don’t care that much. Just mildly amused. Wouldn’t it be fun to know how many of the women on the Rutgers team are – right at this moment – listening to a rap song on their iPod with lyrics exactly like the words Imus used?
Probably just me. But I’d find it funny. Now where’s my comb. I just took a little siesta and I’m all nappy headed or something …
Professor Blather on April 11, 2007 at 2:47 PM
Am I the only one who can’t believe there wasn’t a single “nappy headed ho” joke about Bill?
RightWinged on April 11, 2007 at 2:47 PM
Allie, I’ve no fear. Though my father, while driving, had the uncanny ability to rubber stretch his arm to slap me while I sat in the back of the Chevy suburban when I wasn’t behaving. Never needed the moment to “pull over”.
Kokonut on April 11, 2007 at 2:49 PM
Rightwinged…
Bill? You mean Bill Maher, right? He has been doing alot of pimpin lately.
Kokonut on April 11, 2007 at 2:50 PM
I go take a nappy now, Otay.
Kini on April 11, 2007 at 3:14 PM
Ha, no, I’m talking about RedEye’s hilarious Pervert in Chief Bill Schulz. The ho with the nappiest head of all.
RightWinged on April 11, 2007 at 3:28 PM
You’re right. If Marsden wasn’t (somewhat) hot, her mug wouldn’t see the light of day. Doesn’t help that she is crazy. Google her to see the details of her craziness in all its glory (convicted for harrassment, stalking her ex etc).
RW Wacko on April 11, 2007 at 3:42 PM
I think Professor Blather has it right. Who gives a rip? I say I have “nappy” hair when I have a bad hair day. Who in this world has not been called a name or teased about something. Life does go on my friends. In school befor my braces, I was called chipmunk and beaver because of my teeth, I went out and bought stuffed chipmunks and beavers and put them in the rear window of my car. I felt I could fix my teeth but they would always be narrow minded idiots. Has anybody listened to rap music? All the rap videos have girls stuttin thier stuff in it. Imus likes to shock people so he can have the attention. What about giving the attention to what these girls accomplished instead!
ChrisIansNana on April 11, 2007 at 3:52 PM
I laughed out loud at the end with the “Christ-killer” reference! And I’m Jewish, so I can definitely get away with that!
Rachel’s logic is ridiculous. One of the few conservative “Talking Heads” who makes me feel embarrassed.
Has HuffPo downloaded this yet to their site?
asc85 on April 11, 2007 at 4:42 PM
“Nappy headed” means “somebody who has curly hair”, Google It. It is not racist.
“Ho” is a derogatory term for women meaning “whore”. It is not racist.
The latter, however is hugely insulting, so I guess we can all agree now that Imus is an insulting jerk. But who, exactly, didn’t already know that?
(And before anybody starts howling that a term is racist if somebody decides that it is, let me herewith announce that I consider “Caucasian” to be both insulting and racist. I’ve never even been close to the Caucasus, so if anybody EVER refers to me that way, I expect them to be suspended from their jobs for two weeks and apologize several times a day for at least as long. Because I said so.)
Misha I on April 11, 2007 at 5:05 PM
I’m thinking the media wishes Imus would discorporate so they can finally grokk him in fullness. I’m with slub and honora: stop the madness.
spmat on April 11, 2007 at 6:23 PM
The problem is that something is offensive if enough people think it is. It’s all about perception. Which is why I would like to join your quest to make Caucasian an offensive term. I am offended by it because it sounds naughty. I prefer the term “Honkey,” “Honkey-American,” or “Whitey.” You and I could be the co-founders of NAAHA. Rise up, my fellow Honkey-Americans! We will not be oppressed any longer by our Caucasian-term-using oppressors!
sweetlipsbutterhoney on April 11, 2007 at 6:47 PM
Clinton-era nappy tales;
Terp Mole on April 11, 2007 at 6:47 PM
Preach it, I’m in!
Although I personally prefer being called a “cracker” or a “redneck”, but we can iron out the details later. Anything but “Caucasian.” THIS WILL NOT STAND!
Misha I on April 11, 2007 at 6:54 PM
Wow, Tia Williams is stunning. She is a really good guest.
Stormy70 on April 11, 2007 at 7:56 PM
It was a joke..Get over it….so says Howard..but they (you people)do not have the ability to think over it..so….no matter where you go….there you are! Jackson insulted all of NYC by his hymietown comment, Sharpton made a damn fool of himself with that faker Brawley, but Imus should be hung?
NOT!
NEMETI IN SYRACUSE on April 11, 2007 at 8:09 PM
I’m of british/ashkenazi Jewish descent-and as a consequence have been blessed or cursed with a naturally thick, curly mane. I’m letting it ‘grow out’ to my shoulders to pacify the husband. Come the summer humidity it WILL get nappy.
Also I’m very slightly autistic and was in SP. Ed unti 6th grade.
Over the years I was called things that were many times worse that what those poor babies at Rutgers were called.
Scarred for life my ass!
Excrement happens.
Now move on.
annoyinglittletwerp on April 11, 2007 at 10:48 PM
I joked about it in my tomorrow’s story segment of the same show. Or maybe it was the night before…?
Levy on April 11, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Thanks!
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2007 at 12:10 AM
I have watched Red Eye since it began to boost the freakin’ ratings. Would you please please get better?
Connie on April 12, 2007 at 2:14 AM
Correction: Nappy is not simply kinky or frizzy. It is unkept kinky or frizzy. It goes back a long way and refers to the way slaves looked (unkept kinky hair). This is according to Minister Don Muhammad who just called in to WRKO in Boston. He’s not a reactionary. If fact he defended Mitt Romney when he used the term “tar baby” to describe the big dig. Here’s what he said about that at the time:
TheBigOldDog on April 12, 2007 at 8:39 AM
I don’t see RedEye getting a lot better as long as Rachel’s a regular on it, I really don’t. I like the show concept in general, and there are a lot of good guests (for the record, there’s no such thing as too much Julia Allison), but like many people, I’d rather listen to Bill and most of the liberals than Rachel. Last night she sneered at the Duke lacrosse players for having the gall to want to clear their names, basically calling them privileged white boys and wusses for not wanting false rape accusations hanging over their heads forever. And then she asked how the U.S. could fight the War on Terror if we’re going to be such wimps about trivial little things like rape charges.
That was obnoxious enough, but consider those statements in light of the fact that roughly a week ago she went off on a guest who poked fun at Canada for banning the baseball pillowfight ad, and then asked how did they expect to fight the War on Terror if they can’t handle that. Sound familiar? But in that instance, Rachel practically screamed at the guy about how Canadians were dying in Afghanistan, and how dare he suggest that Canadians were wimps. So it was terrible when that guy did it jokingly, but apparently not so terrible when Rachel makes the exact same argument about the U.S. a week later.
That’s the kind of hypocrisy I’m used to seeing from liberals, not from conservatives, although I’ve given up on trying to figure out what kind of “conservative” Rachel is supposed to be. Hating the Clintons does not in and of itself make a person conservative, merely a good judge of character–it shouldn’t be a political issue, just something that all decent people can agree on. But Rachel lost me when she mocked the Second Amendment, and said that if someone attacks you, you’re going to call the police on your cell phone rather than try to shoot them yourself. Well, I’m a great supporter of law enforcement, but they can’t be everywhere at once. Rachel Marsden may trust her life to a cell phone, but I’d rather put my faith in something with a lot more stopping power. Which also happens to be my constitutional right, which is the kind of thing that real conservatives usually care about.
ReubenJCogburn on April 12, 2007 at 11:49 AM
Apparently not everyone black finds the term “nappy hair” derogatory:
http://www.nappyhairaffair.com/
sax-maniac on April 12, 2007 at 2:26 PM
BigOldDog,
I’m glad you haven’t been banned. That was an informative post at 8:39.
Buy Danish on April 14, 2007 at 8:51 PM
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