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posted at 10:30 pm on April 10, 2007 by Allahpundit
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“I’m not even sure females have a sexual orientation.”


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That’s what I’ve always said.

Alex K on April 10, 2007 at 10:41 PM

These docs have too much time on their, er… hands…!

I also like some of their name, like a cast member of a bad porno.
Dr. Breedlove, where was Dr. Feelgood?

Kini on April 10, 2007 at 10:43 PM

“If you can’t make a male attracted to other males by cutting off his penis, how strong could any psychosocial effect be?” said J. Michael Bailey, an expert on sexual orientation at Northwestern University.

So…. Northwestern University is on the Island of Dr. Moreau.

Are our tax dollars funding these weenie-chopping studies?

infidel4life on April 10, 2007 at 10:54 PM

Is it just me, or does the story seem to contradict itself by this statement:

gay men have those prompting them to seek other men….all to achieve success on the simple scale that is all evolution cares about, that of raising the greatest number of children to adulthood.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems that nature might have screwed up in thinking gay men could raise numerous children to adulthood. Typical tenuous science trying to prove nature makes people gay.

thedecider on April 10, 2007 at 10:58 PM

“If you can’t make a male attracted to other males by cutting off his penis, how strong could any psychosocial effect be?” said J. Michael Bailey, an expert on sexual orientation at Northwestern University.

Are our tax dollars funding these weenie-chopping studies?

infidel4life on April 10, 2007 at 10:54 PM

Short answer: Yes, at least they have in the past.

Bailey’s “expert” status is controversial.

Ali-Bubba on April 10, 2007 at 11:01 PM

The finding suggests that male homosexuality in these cases is caused by some event in the womb, such as “a maternal immune response to succeeding male pregnancies,”

Oh, ’scuse me. Apparently it’s a birth defect.

thedecider on April 10, 2007 at 11:05 PM

And?

mesablue on April 10, 2007 at 11:06 PM

From the article…

Desire between the sexes is not a matter of choice.

Finally!

JetBoy on April 10, 2007 at 11:16 PM

Susan Estrich said that. What do I win?

jaleach on April 10, 2007 at 11:18 PM

I’m with mesablue… who cares how they’re oriented? Obviously some do–Snoop Dogg got a whole album out of it–but, generally, not so much.

DaveS on April 10, 2007 at 11:21 PM

I also like some of their name, like a cast member of a bad porno.
Dr. Breedlove, where was Dr. Feelgood?

Kini on April 10, 2007 at 10:43 PM

…playing golf with Dr. Strangelove and Dr. Bigknucks.

91Veteran on April 10, 2007 at 11:22 PM

Women are very picky, and most choose to have sex with men.”

Is that not contradictory?

The Ugly American on April 10, 2007 at 11:23 PM

I think many married guys would agree. Women have no sexual orientation or desire :P

lorien1973 on April 10, 2007 at 11:24 PM

Dr. Breedlove, where was Dr. Feelgood?
Kini on April 10, 2007 at 10:43 PM

Watching a movie by David Copafeel.

thedecider on April 10, 2007 at 11:24 PM

In puberty, the reproductive systems are primed for action by the brain.

Dude, I don’t know about you, but I was primed when I dropped “my pair” and went to the beach one Summer….. Nothing like a beach full of H..O..T..T..I..E..S lying in the sun, shelas as far as the eye could see, (since I was only looking at certain parts, points, ahhh, never mind) bronzed, and covered in oil….. mmm, mmm, good!

PinkyBigglesworth on April 11, 2007 at 12:05 AM

I disagree. Basically there are two orientations. One, when she is facing the head of the bed, the other when she is facing the other side.

Ropera on April 11, 2007 at 12:10 AM

I also like some of their name, like a cast member of a bad porno.
Dr. Breedlove, where was Dr. Feelgood?

Kini on April 10, 2007 at 10:43 PM

Aren’t you supposed to use your Middle Name and the Street that you grew up in, or is that some Prono myth that I just totally bought into?

PinkyBigglesworth on April 11, 2007 at 12:11 AM

Can’t wait to see what the East Coast Morning Bloggers do with what we have started here……..

“Virginia Birmingham, meet Lucas Main Street………. and “Action!”

PinkyBigglesworth on April 11, 2007 at 12:15 AM

“Women are very picky,” Dr. Bailey said.

Ah, academia! I’ll be sure to enter this one into the “No f—in’ s–t, doc” database…

ScottMcC on April 11, 2007 at 12:30 AM

The money quote…

Dr. Bailey believes that the systems for sexual orientation and arousal make men go out and find people to have sex with, whereas women are more focused on accepting or rejecting those who seek sex with them.

Dr. Bailey’s research on this particular point took him first to dance clubs, then to grocery stores. To prove his hypothesis, Dr. Bailey eventually found it necessary to stalk unsuspecting blue-hairs during Evanston Bingo Nights where he finally found acceptance.

CliffHanger on April 11, 2007 at 12:38 AM

Several advances in the last decade have underlined the bizarre fact that the brain is a full-fledged sexual organ, in that the two sexes have profoundly different versions of it. This is the handiwork of testosterone, which masculinizes the brain as thoroughly as it does the rest of the body.

How could this daily fact of life (for some of us, sigh…) be considered bizarre?

When brain science starts uncovering the religion genes, watch the sparks fly.

Halley on April 11, 2007 at 12:44 AM

I had a cousin named Dr Bailey. Hey females and males crave breast when they are born. Males don’t quit craving. Women?

Drtuddle on April 11, 2007 at 12:50 AM

Women?

Drtuddle on April 11, 2007 at 12:50 AM

They just gettum larger, so yes.

Kini on April 11, 2007 at 12:56 AM

I took their conclusions a bit further,and although…

“Women are very picky, and most choose to have sex with men.”

…my study found most women were 2 drinks away from being bi.

Dr Goodhead

Im_no_dhimmi on April 11, 2007 at 1:16 AM

Sadly, the increasingly feminizing societal pressures on boys and young men are never taken into account.

But of course, people will only claim that media influences are significant if it’s their ox being gored. When it interferes with their “scientific” descriptions of evolutionary “facts”, those influences don’t exist.

Since these folks are just as convinced as the climate-crisis researchers that their conclusions are right before they actually begin a study, you can be sure that only those bits of evidence that support their preliminary conclusion will be considered. They are certain that “orientation” is hard-wired, and not a choice, so they pursue their research on that presumption. Amazing that they find as rock solid all evidence to back the claims, and sail smoothly over any and all evidence that doesn’t.

Freelancer on April 11, 2007 at 1:35 AM

…my study found most women were 2 drinks away from being bi.

Dr Goodhead

Im_no_dhimmi on April 11, 2007 at 1:16 AM

HAHA. Dr Goodhead.

Theworldisnotenough on April 11, 2007 at 2:08 AM

Is it just me, or does the story seem to contradict itself by this statement:

gay men have those prompting them to seek other men….all to achieve success on the simple scale that is all evolution cares about, that of raising the greatest number of children to adulthood.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems that nature might have screwed up in thinking gay men could raise numerous children to adulthood. Typical tenuous science trying to prove nature makes people gay.

thedecider on April 10, 2007 at 10:58 PM

I wonder how evolution cares about anything since it is supposedly random and there is no personality behind it.

Centurion68 on April 11, 2007 at 7:37 AM

Is it just me, or does the story seem to contradict itself by this statement:

gay men have those prompting them to seek other men….all to achieve success on the simple scale that is all evolution cares about, that of raising the greatest number of children to adulthood.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems that nature might have screwed up in thinking gay men could raise numerous children to adulthood. Typical tenuous science trying to prove nature makes people gay.

thedecider on April 10, 2007 at 10:58 PM

Scientific proof that homosexuals are genetic mistakes?

Jaibones on April 11, 2007 at 9:07 AM

Can’t wait to see what the East Coast Morning Bloggers do with what we have started here……..

“Virginia Birmingham, meet Lucas Main Street………. and “Action!”

PinkyBigglesworth on April 11, 2007 at 12:15 AM

Oh, please…how about we use some real people? I’ll pony up first with mine: Norm Thunderbird.

James on April 11, 2007 at 9:26 AM

In puberty, the reproductive systems are primed for action by the brain.

Dude, I don’t know about you,…

My experience says puberty is when “the reproductive systems are primed” with or without “action by the brain”.

taznar on April 11, 2007 at 10:31 AM

Oh, please…how about we use some real people? I’ll pony up first with mine: Norm Thunderbird.

James on April 11, 2007 at 9:26 AM

Mine would be Lynn Magellan.

Although, I’d always heard that your porn name is the name of your first pet and the town you were born in…..

In which case, my porn name is Jenny Lake.

JadeNYU on April 11, 2007 at 10:56 AM

In experiments in which subjects are shown photographs of desirable men or women, straight men are aroused by women, gay men by men.

Groundbreaking research indeed. It was also discovered that kids like ice cream.

Tippy Addison

jdpaz on April 11, 2007 at 11:35 AM

Although, I’d always heard that your porn name is the name of your first pet and the town you were born in…..

In which case, my porn name is Jenny Lake.

JadeNYU on April 11, 2007 at 10:56 AM

That wouldn’t work for me…as an unfortunate result of having a pedigreed dog and being born overseas I’d have to be McVey’s MacDuff Kadena.

James on April 11, 2007 at 12:20 PM

A married guy with kids used to work with my wife. His identical twin brother is gay. I always wonder about this ‘born that way’ theory. They share the same genes and prenatal environment.

Obviously the nominally straight brother is Ramses (King of De Nile) here.

In The Human Zoo, zoologist Desmond Morris propounded the theory that humans in cities are like apes in zoos. He said that homosexuality in apes only occurs in captivity.

I note that when the population density rises above a certain point, high fertility rates no longer confer an evolutionary advantage. And what matters most is female fertility anyway. So long as there are high-quality breeding partners from which to choose, a female can get the best of both quantity and quality.

The mechanism described in the article suggests that the genes of a woman capable of having a large number of children lose nothing by suppressing the maleness of successive offspring. In fact, to prevent constant fighting for Alpha Male status, it probably confers an evolutionary advantage to keep the younger boys from having to kill their older brothers to inherit the proverbial kingdom. That some of them in the process give up the desire to spread the genes to another generation must be less of a negative, or it would have died out.

The Monster on April 11, 2007 at 12:22 PM

“. . . since gay men have about one-fifth as many children as straight men, any gene favoring homosexuality should quickly disappear from the population.”

So, its highly unlikely that the explanation is based soley, or even principally, on genetics.

A somewhat more straightforward clue to the origin of homosexuality is the fraternal birth order effect. Two Canadian researchers, Ray Blanchard and Anthony F. Bogaert, have shown that having older brothers substantially increases the chances that a man will be gay.

Ah ha!! So growing up in a family with older male siblings, where you are in close proximity to other males growing up, where there are feelings of familial bonds, brotherly love, protective dispositions, etc., combined with the chance that parents might favor an older son over the younger, encourgaging the younger to rebel against everything his older brother represents, including his brother’s reputation as a female-magnet and stud – shows a high level of correlation to the younger brother becoming “gay”!

Well, it makes sense to me (no I am not a PHD, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express . . . )

The finding suggests that male homosexuality in these cases is caused by some event in the womb, such as “a maternal immune response to succeeding male pregnancies,”

Ooops, we absolutely HAVE to find a biological force behind gayness, so we will postulate anti-male antibodies!

“. . . though no such antibodies have yet been detected.

Shucks! There aren’t any such thing. What shall we do? Oh, I know, I know – let them know we WILL find the elusive little critters, we just need a little more funding!

; )

Fatal on April 11, 2007 at 12:52 PM

This is where science has brought us? Pseudo-intellectual sexual babble that is about as logical and as supported by real evidence as spontaneous generation or an earth-centric solar system? Gah. I can’t stand this c**p.

Jared White on April 11, 2007 at 1:44 PM

(P. S. Should have added that I’m referring to the NYT article, not the comments here. :) )

Jared White on April 11, 2007 at 1:45 PM

Although, I’d always heard that your porn name is the name of your first pet and the town you were born in…

“Bogen Bellflower”. Nope, that doesn’t seem to work. Cliff Hanger actually sounds better…

CliffHanger on April 11, 2007 at 4:59 PM

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