Good news: Rudy wades into the Terri Schiavo debate
posted at 3:57 pm on April 10, 2007 by Allahpundit
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JPod warned him this morning about tripping over hot buttons. Too late, alas.
During the high profile legal battle, the Florida state legislature approved a bill to allow then-Gov. Jeb Bush to prevent Terri’s former husband Michael from taking her life.
Congress also approved, and President Bush signed, a measure allowing federal courts to review the Schindler family’s lawsuit to prevent her euthanasia death…
Giuliani told reporters he supported those attempts to prevent the painful 13-day starvation and dehydration death that ultimately killed Terri.
“I thought it was appropriate to make every effort to give her a chance to stay alive,” he said at the campaign stop.
He’s pandering to social cons, although in fairness his position here isn’t necessarily inconsistent with being pro-choice. A case can be made that Terri Schiavo’s parents were more reliable proxies for her than her husband had come to be notwithstanding the statute that gave him authority over her, and therefore legislative action to override it and assert her autonomy-by-proxy was warranted. Of course, once you play that game you open things up for pro-lifers to argue the same thing for “fetal autonomy” or what have you, which is why Rudy is always quick to remind us that abortion is a constitutional right — not only semi-sacrosanct but also invulnerable to legislative override, and thus, he always seems to imply, not even worth arguing about.
This won’t win him any fans among federalists or libertarians, but they’re not his problem right now. So as panders go, it’s a pretty sweet one.
Not that he needs it. Imus’s buddy is starting to circle the drain:
Gallup’s got a Democratic poll out today too and the Glacier, surprisingly, is still crushing Obama, even after the announcement of his fundraising numbers, and she kills him even worse so long as the Goracle stays out. Maybe she’s inevitable after all.
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gingrich lost me today with that global warming performance.
lorien1973 on April 10, 2007 at 4:00 PM
agreed, he doesn’t have a chance anyway. I think he was trying to increase his perception among moderates so he has a chance though….that said, give me Fred….I can live with Rudy if he nominates conservative judges and doesnt’ and stays away from those issues.
Someone needs to go through that debate and add up all the lies Kerry got away with in the “debate”
jp on April 10, 2007 at 4:07 PM
is there a transcript online?
lorien1973 on April 10, 2007 at 4:11 PM
Sigh. The GOP’s so disorganized, I’ve resigned myself to President Hillary.
C’mon, Allah: Join me in Pessimism City.
Ali-Bubba on April 10, 2007 at 4:11 PM
Gingrich is gone to me, too. I’m surprised about Obama, though.
amerpundit on April 10, 2007 at 4:11 PM
What was so bad about his global warming performance?
Allahpundit on April 10, 2007 at 4:13 PM
You know, Allah, I don’t even know why you bothered posting this. Here is the real story.
amerpundit on April 10, 2007 at 4:15 PM
That he essentially agreed with the premise of manmade global warming (the tagline – the debate is over. UGH) and the only problem is how to fix it now? The debate is not over, its just been shut up; that’s all.
lorien1973 on April 10, 2007 at 4:17 PM
Meant to put a link to the debate story I read:
http://www.humanevents.com/rightangle/index.php?p=21960
lorien1973 on April 10, 2007 at 4:17 PM
Am I spamming? Here’s the money line on gingrich’s comments:
In his first portion of allotted time Gingrich said there were two undisputed areas of scientific consensus on global warming: that the earth is getting hotter and the warming had been caused by human activity.
lorien1973 on April 10, 2007 at 4:19 PM
Regarding the Newt, I see he has the Goracle timing. I’m staring 7-11 inches of wet, heavy snow in the face here in Cleveland North, er, Milwaukee.
The only bad thing about McShame circling the drain is that it means the presstitute hype machine for Rudi as Hiliary’s sacrificial lamb is working.
steveegg on April 10, 2007 at 4:24 PM
Forgot about McCain – walking throught Tulips in baghdad didn’t help him much. I’m kinda surprised by that, actually. He got a little respect out of me for it. No democrat in the field would have done the same.
lorien1973 on April 10, 2007 at 4:26 PM
Why are any of these RINO’s being discussed when Fred Thompson is out there? I just don’t get the Republican party.
Benaiah on April 10, 2007 at 4:28 PM
Because Fred hasn’t announced yet. Let’s not jinx it.
I can’t believe Newt allowed such a jaw-droppingly stupid stipulation like that to stand. Please tell me he was drugged or something of that nature.
thirteen28 on April 10, 2007 at 4:32 PM
thompson is tracking at 10% in that poll? i think most republicans are being realistic with rudy and think he’s the best to defeat hillary
lorien1973 on April 10, 2007 at 4:32 PM
We’ll see what happens if Thompson formally enters the race. I suspect his numbers would be significantly higher if he had already declared.
thirteen28 on April 10, 2007 at 4:37 PM
So Gingrich apologizes in Spanish and states global warming is man made and he’s dead to you now?
I’m not badgering, just clarifying, seeing as how a month ago he was golden boy (seemingly).
SouthernDem on April 10, 2007 at 4:38 PM
Newt never had a shot. While he is a conservative he has way too much baggage.
Benaiah on April 10, 2007 at 4:40 PM
Yeah, that’s the logical reason. That, or as a very bright guy, he’s studied the available data and came to a reasonable conclusion. Nah.
You hang in there thirteen28.
honora on April 10, 2007 at 4:40 PM
Obama has always been a media driven phenom never a great poll sitter. He is unlikely to go any higher IMHO
Everything about him was based solely on his race and his giving of one speech.
That isnt enough to win nominations.
William Amos on April 10, 2007 at 4:41 PM
Say it isn’t so…newt is a goracle worshiper?
I hope to see Thompson run.
Highrise on April 10, 2007 at 4:51 PM
You mean the available data that the so-called “consensus” is based on? The data which ignores simultaneous warming on places like Mars and Titan, where human activity has no impact? Is that the available data you are talking about?
Hanging in there,
thirteen28 on April 10, 2007 at 4:58 PM
Don’t ask me. Ask Newt. (I want you to start preparing yourself–Fred! also supports this POV. Oh the pain….)
honora on April 10, 2007 at 5:09 PM
Nice dodge.
Also, wrong.
thirteen28 on April 10, 2007 at 5:12 PM
Just kidding. Thought I could start a panic, alas, you are on top of your Fredfacts.
honora on April 10, 2007 at 5:17 PM
Why is no one addressing this actual post? I find it laughable that Rudy says he would have supported this. Pandering indeed.
Look, they all pander and that’s fine. But this, to me, shows that Rudy undestands that he has seriously ticked off the pro-life and most pro-life side of the Republican party. I don’t see much he can do now though.
Rightwingsparkle on April 10, 2007 at 5:42 PM
I rarely agree with your argument Honora, but I respect most of what you have to say. You post intelligent well thought out comments and have a polite demeanor.
The above sounds more like a move out of the lefty playbook.
brtex on April 10, 2007 at 5:46 PM
I never recall there being any sort of debate about global warming. Seems to me the terms of the debate is limited to the enviromentalist movement shouting out relative “truths” while ignoring any facts to the contrary, and calling anyone who disagrees with them a corporate-nazi shill for oil companies.
Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on April 10, 2007 at 6:00 PM
Where could I find this lefty play book that those of you on the right seem to have memorized?
Amazon links are preferred.
Nonfactor on April 10, 2007 at 6:05 PM
I found mine at Borders.
Slublog on April 10, 2007 at 6:41 PM
The subsequent autopsy cleary showed that her brain was shriveled to the point of not even supporting consciousness, much less pain. I am pro-life, but when the pro-life movement uses tactics that are just as deceptive and hyper-emotional as the other side, it’s no wonder we’re seen as a bunch of kooks.
infidel4life on April 10, 2007 at 8:04 PM
I was thinking the same thing.
Glynn on April 10, 2007 at 8:11 PM
You’ve obviously swallowed the pro-euthanasia crowd’s propaganda hook, line, and sinker. The autopsy did show brain shrinkage, but nothing remotely close to “the point of not even supporting consciousness, much less pain.” I would encourage you to actually read the autopsy report (available at the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation’s website) and also some analysis by Michelle Malkin and an article by WorldNetDaily.
Concerning Rudy, I don’t know why he thinks this will get him brownie points with the social conservatives. I don’t like him because he approves of killing babies (with taxpayer funding!). Saying one nice thing about Terri Schiavo will not alleviate that larger issue. I’m looking for someone who is consistently pro-life — i.e. Sam Brownback or Duncan Hunter, in my opinion.
tiekitwist on April 10, 2007 at 8:41 PM
Because I have a differing viewpoint I’ve “swallowed propaganda.”
The lefty playbook is getting a workout today.
infidel4life on April 10, 2007 at 9:39 PM
Oh, give me a break. Since when is being pro-life, anti-euthanasia, and cheering for Brownback/Hunter in the lefty playbook?
And when your different viewpoint is rooted in misinformation propagated by the pro-euthanasia movement, then yes, you’ve swallowed propaganda.
tiekitwist on April 10, 2007 at 9:47 PM
My differing viewpoint is rooted in my ability think and decide for myself about the issues at hand.
Dismissing someone’s stand on an issue as “swallowed propaganda” is straight out of the lefty playbook.
infidel4life on April 10, 2007 at 10:26 PM
Keep your powder dry, people, don’t fall into the MSM trap.
PinkyBigglesworth on April 10, 2007 at 10:50 PM
infidel4life
I respect your right to your opinion, and do not wish to argue with anyone about this issue. I simply think that if you are going to euthanize someone, it should be done quickly and humanely, not by a means that, if you had done the same thing to your dog would land you in jail for cruelty to animals.
mrfixit on April 11, 2007 at 7:09 AM
No McCain!
No Rudy!
No liberals!
paulsur on April 11, 2007 at 9:38 AM
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