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UK bishops celebrate Iran’s kindness in freeing British sailors; Update: Brits ban sailors from selling stories

posted at 1:23 pm on April 9, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Everyone’s milking it, from Iran putting out new hostage videos to the sailors selling the martial equivalent of woman-in-jeopardy stories to the tabs to the Christian leadership in Great Britain celebrating the Easter season by loving their enemy a wee bit too much.

In a statement welcoming the hostages’ release on Thursday, Bishop Burns said President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had spoken of forgiveness, and appealed to the religious traditions of Islam. This might seem puzzling, said the bishop. But it had to be seen in the context of the Iranians’ belief that Britain had violated their territorial waters.

“So, if that is the case they are putting forward, then by their own standards, the standards enshrined in their religion, they have then chosen to put their faith into action to resolve the situation,” said the bishop.

“Faith in a forgiving God has been exemplified in action by their good deeds. They are offering to release the sailors and marines, not just as the result of diplomacy, but also as an act of mercy in accordance with their religion.”…

Col Tim Collins, who led the 1st Battalion Royal Irish Regiment in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, said: “It’s a close call as to which organisation is in the deepest moral crisis – the Church or the Ministry of Defence.”

Burns isn’t just any bishop, mind you. He’s the Bishop of the Forces, responsible for ministering to all of the UK’s Catholic servicemen.

Not to be outdone, the Anglicans try a soft Falwell approach in which a national crisis is exploited for a lecture on moral values:

Bishop Nazir-Ali said the Iranians had scored “something of a coup” by appealing to their religious traditions in freeing the hostages. In sharp contrast, Britain had failed to refer to any higher values.

“I saw on the one hand what Iran was doing, and what the president [of Iran] said had much to do with the moral and spiritual tradition of their country,” he said.

“The president talked about the religious background to the release, with reference to the Prophet’s birthday and the passing over of Christ. What struck me was that if there were any values on the British side they were free-floating and not anchored in a spiritual and moral tradition.”

Here’s the punchline.

The Sun’s got an exclusive interview with Faye Turney but it’s not that interesting aside from the tidbit in the sidebar about Iranian scum trying to coax her mother-in-law into coming to Tehran to beg for her life. A more interesting piece is the Mirror’s interview with Arthur Batchelor, the youngest sailor among the 15. He’s 19 years old but looks five years younger. And acts it, too, apparently — I won’t share the comments of the tipster who sent this to me, but suffice it to say he’s spent time with military men and is not impressed by young Batchelor’s comportment.

But, speaking of the moment [he was] reunited with [Faye Turney in an Iranian jail], he told how he wept and begged the 26-year-old for a hug. Arthur said: “I missed Topsy most of all. I really love her, as amumand a big sister. Not seeing her and not knowing if she was safe was one of the hardest parts of the whole thing.

“Then on the sixth day, when I was just about giving up hope, I was pulled from my bed in the early hours of the morning.

“They led me down a corridor and into a room, where I saw Topsy in a corner.

“I can’t describe how that felt…just every emotion rolled into one. I ran up to her, threw my arms round her and cried like a baby.

“When I’d calmed down, she asked, ‘Do you need another hug, a mother hug?’ and I said, ‘damn right’. She was just as pleased to see me because they’d told her I’d been sent home.

“Topsy said she’d always be there for me, to protect me and look after me.

The Marines who were held hostage are planning to pool the money they get and donate 10% to a fund for vets. Although I’m not sure if that does or doesn’t include the proceeds of the sale of their Iranian goodie bags on eBay. Heh.

Here’s the new video released today on Iranian TV. Not the last one we’ll see, either, I’ll bet.

Update: Faye Turney’s interview with ITV in the UK will broadcast tonight. Meanwhile, the Beeb has cancelled a movie about the heroism of Private Johnson Beharry because it might boost morale.

Update: I published five minutes too soon. The Ministry of Defense has reversed course and declared that if service members want to talk to the press, it’ll have to be gratis. The ruling doesn’t affect Turney and Batchelor, though, since those deals had already been struck.


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“It’s a close call as to which organisation is in the deepest moral crisis – the Church or the Ministry of Defence.”

Not really. It’s the Church by far.

PRCalDude on April 9, 2007 at 1:26 PM

Also Al Jazeera english is saying that Iran is releasing a new video of the captured Britsh to challenge the assertion that they were mistreated by the Iranians

William Amos on April 9, 2007 at 1:33 PM

Ah forget it see that you have the vidoe already. Damn quick fingers !

William Amos on April 9, 2007 at 1:34 PM

Disgraceful. This whole episode is disgraceful. The more I read about the aftermath of this story, the more I am beginning to agree with The Derb.

robblefarian on April 9, 2007 at 1:34 PM

topsy? oh my goodness….

cochise wurlitzer on April 9, 2007 at 1:40 PM

Liberal “Catholics” (you really can’t be a liberal and a Catholic) and liberal politians are one and the same: wimps who have no prayer against Islam.

I have little respect for not-so Great Britain anyone after seeing the behavior of their marines. This is what liberalism will do to a culture. I was expecting them to submit to Islam while they were in captivity.

Conservative British (if there are any left): please feel free to emigrate to America.

januarius on April 9, 2007 at 1:43 PM

On Monday, in one of the first accounts, Faye Turney, the sole woman in the detained crew, said that she “felt like a traitor” for agreeing to her captors’ demands to appear on Iranian TV and that she believed they had measured her for a coffin.

Another exercise in spin has backfired, making the MOD look indecisive yet again.

aengus on April 9, 2007 at 1:49 PM

Still waiting for the word torture to appear in the press.

Near as I can tell from the press, the British sailors were mistreated because they didn’t get fresh towels everyday…

Skywise on April 9, 2007 at 1:50 PM

Maybe I’m partial here, but I kind of see Bishop Nazir-Ali’s point:

…if there were any values on the British side they were free-floating and not anchored in a spiritual and moral tradition.

If there were any values on the British side? The Bishop is implying that there aren’t. There’s nothing they value, nothing worth fighting or suffering for, nothing eternal, nothing transcendent. What values there might be are transient ones that no longer sustain a nation.

Modern Europe is rhetorically and philosophically incapable of explaining why any of this matters. Iran is. I think it’s a fair point the Bishop made.

see-dubya on April 9, 2007 at 1:56 PM

They are offering to release the sailors and marines, not just as the result of diplomacy, but also as an act of mercy in accordance with their religion.

An utterly arbitrary and self-serving act of “mercy.” I wonder if Bishop Burns would now be condemning Iran had the hostages been executed. I doubt it. For the Burns of the world, our enemies always have the best motives, whereas we in the West always have the worst motives.

Bill Ramey on April 9, 2007 at 2:03 PM

That smiley faced dude is the new face of the British military.

“Cool Britannia” indeed.

What a sad joke.

Fred on April 9, 2007 at 2:04 PM

Any background on these guys? We’re they Watadas and like set this up? I just don’t get smiling to the camera if nothing less than the fact that I’d be looking over my shoulder too much.

- The Cat

MirCat on April 9, 2007 at 2:31 PM

From the same article:

Nick Harvey, the Liberal Democrat defence spokesman, said: “We will never know whether the Iranian president’s decision to release the hostages was motivated by his religion or, most probably, by a desire to ensure that his best interests were served.

Yeah it’s quite a mystery isn’t it?
Did Ahmedinejad release the hostages distinguished guests out of the goodness of his Muslim heart?
Or…
Did he just decide that he had humiliated Great Britain enough?
It’s a real headscratcher.

billy on April 9, 2007 at 2:36 PM

Oh my goodness. Topsy? Using my new newly-formed standards for public comments, there is simply nothing that I can say about the Christian left, the little sailor boy, the British government, the British military, or “Topsy” at this time.

Jaibones on April 9, 2007 at 3:25 PM

Hey, I’ve got a great idea. Why don’t the Brits do something like banning Iran from taking English military personnel as hostages. Wow – I could have had a V8!

Khyber Pass on April 9, 2007 at 3:54 PM

The UK military that were taken by Iran were in uniform. Their uniforms were taken away from them plus the female was forced to wear a head covering. Unlike the homicidal loons at Gitmo, these were in fact prisoners of war and their rights were not upheld by Iran.

It would seem that Iran played the Dhimmi game. Take away their uniforms as a symbol that if they come back again they will kill them next time. These idiots were spouting Iranian phrases for the camera which just shows how far they bent over to submit. What are the chances they renounced or claimed that they were not Christians? I’m betting none were Jewish.

Iran took them out of their military and sent them home as civilians. They should all be tossed out of the UK military since they surrendered, submitted and allowed themselves to be used as powerful propaganda against the very mission their countrymen and allies are fighting. Wonder if there were Korans in their gift bags?

Hening on April 9, 2007 at 3:56 PM

Fancy a bit o “Slap and Tickle” govnor?

PinkyBigglesworth on April 9, 2007 at 4:11 PM

I took a quick glance at the pic and thought this was a thread about Austin Powers.

What am I saying? Even Austin Powers wouldn’t have given the Islamonuts the time of day…

jaleach on April 9, 2007 at 4:56 PM

WoW! She said she didn’t accept the biggest offer….That’s…Well…Big of her. *rolleyes*

I hope she is shamed for the rest of her life for rolling over like….nevermind.

Tim Burton on April 9, 2007 at 6:00 PM

Not really. It’s the Church by far.

PRCalDude on April 9, 2007 at 1:26 PM

Although I would agree with you on a practical level, I remember a couple of years ago when Sen Rick Santorum said that the priest scandal in Boston was “no surprise” because it happened in a liberal city. Priests are recruited from the local populace for the most part. They reflect the politics and ideologies of their communities.

All of the UK (as well as Europe) are a bit touched in the head. They think their self-loathing is introspection. Yes, the Catholic Church is weak in the UK and Europe (this is not an all inclusive list). And the Anglican Church seems to be in a freefall. Tony Blair looked pathetic during this crisis as did the Defense Ministry. But these are not isolated cases. This is the UK. This is Europe.

cmay on April 9, 2007 at 6:28 PM

Violating my own new rule, I must say that this grinning swish should be in the brig.

Jaibones on April 9, 2007 at 9:47 PM

Although I would agree with you on a practical level, I remember a couple of years ago when Sen Rick Santorum said that the priest scandal in Boston was “no surprise” because it happened in a liberal city. Priests are recruited from the local populace for the most part. They reflect the politics and ideologies of their communities.

This doesn’t agree with Christian theology whatsoever. We’re called to be separate, a “holy nation,” regardless of how society acts.

PRCalDude on April 10, 2007 at 12:13 PM

This doesn’t agree with Christian theology whatsoever. We’re called to be separate, a “holy nation,” regardless of how society acts.

You are also called to be a leaven within society. Regardless, it is impractical to believe that the clergy is somehow extra-sociological or super-sociological even if that is the ideal.

cmay on April 10, 2007 at 12:35 PM

Turning the other cheek, as presented in Scripture, is a strictly personal admonition. An individual dealing with another individual. The concept does not apply equally at a national level. Governments have a responsibility to act in the best interests of their citizens.

Thanking a tyrant-bully for his crimes is not in the best interest of a nation.

The 15 who were captured were unbelievably weak, and should have been discharged the moment they were back on British soil. Also, every officer up their entire chain of command should be reprimanded for failure to oversee the proper training of those under their authority. Yes, it’s that big a disgrace, for military people to end up being such tools for an enemy’s use, and without a fight.

And if “the church” cares about society, it should say so as well.

One Christian’s opinion.

Freelancer on April 10, 2007 at 3:10 PM

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