We can’t put everybody in solitary…

True.

…we can’t shoot them…

False.

…and we can’t let them go.

False.

Once again conservatives are making terrorists.
shackler on April 8, 2007 at 2:04 PM

Ever notice liberals never accuse us of making more “militants” or “insurgents”?

Robert Gates trained Osama. Rumsfeld armed Saddam. And now Bushie has built training facilities to house these guys. You never learn. The reason we keep getting attacked is because you conservatives keep making terrorists. It’s like you all hate America or something.

shackler on April 8, 2007 at 2:04 PM

None of these men had a crystal ball to discover what those men would be capable of in twenty years down the road, but at the time, real geopolitical concerns demanded some kind of action, but what? Think of the times. The USSR was teetering dangerously over the world, a wobbly giant, on the brink of collapse, with a nuclear pistol held in its hands, trying to hold Afghanistan. For the US to have confronted the USSR directly in AFghanistan would have been total war, as in missles on New York and Moscow, but a proxy could fight and hold the Soviets at bay. Take for example, Saddam, armed against WHO, precisely? That was Iran, wasn’t it? Iran was feeling pretty full of it after humiliating the US with the embassy hostages. An armed Saddam attacked Iran and kept the radical Islamofascist government busy for 9 years. Maybe that’s not how Saddam saw it, but that’s what happened. There’s a good possibility that Iran’s nuclear program would have been a lot further along right now had they been able to focus on it during those nine years, to our, and others’ detriment. Not many people have the imagination to guess what Saddam was capable of, they being made of nicer stuff, so one shouldn’t be so cheeky about blaming people for not being clairvoyant. How many people in the 1980s had an inkling that Osama bin Laden had meglomaniacal plans? Hard calls are made all the time, but no one truly wants a disaster. Throwing off sneering comments about conservatives arming terrorists displays a stunning shallowness and ignorance, or is simply a cynical gamble that everyone else is ignorant and will buy that line.

Ahhhh, history repeats itself. Once again conservatives are making terrorists. Robert Gates trained Osama. Rumsfeld armed Saddam. And now Bushie has built training facilities to house these guys. You never learn. The reason we keep getting attacked is because you conservatives keep making terrorists. It’s like you all hate America or something.

shackler on April 8, 2007 at 2:04 PM

Wouldn’t be an issue if we had the balls to actually kill these unreformable terrorists… Sadly it is YOUR side (the left) that neutered and continues to neuter us. Anyway, yeah, you’re right… these terrorists wouldn’t attack had it not been for their sleeping arangements. They were just farmers, right?

I know you mean well, but when someone has already inverted reality in their mind, no matter what you say it gets twisted into something that “proves” their fantasy.

The International Red Cross, the MSM, the Democrats, every “Peace” origination in the world, The MSM (they think they are important and deserve double billing), the Democrats (same as the MSM), the UN, and anyone else who demonizes the US and the Bush administration.

All of the above would go crazy over such a proposal and would NEVER allow it. It would be Guantanamo Mania 2.0.

Mookie says… “Happy Easter!”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264814,00.html

The screaming headline at Times Online reads :
Insurgents transform US military jails into ‘terror training camps’
Oh no. What to do…what to do???!
See-Dubya wonders “We need to detain the bad guys and get them off the streets of Iraq….

Huh.

There’s a concept.

Now, I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.

Men, all this stuff you’ve heard about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. All REAL Americans love the sting of battle.

When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball players, the toughest boxer. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in Hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.

An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap. The bilious bastards who wrote that stuff about individuality for the Saturday Evening Post don’t know anything more about real battle than they do about fornicating.

We have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world. You know, my God, I actually pity those poor bastards we’re going up against. My God, I do. We’re not just going to shoot the bastards, we’re going to cut out their living guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks! We’re going to murder those lousy Hun bastards by the bushel!

Now, some of you boys, I know, are wondering whether or not you’ll chicken out under fire. Don’t worry about it. I can assure you that you’ll all do your duty. The Nazis are the enemy. Wade into them! Spill their blood! Shoot them in the belly! When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend’s face, you’ll know what to do.

There’s another thing I want you to remember. I don’t want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We’re not holding anything; we’ll let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly, and we’re not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We’re going to hold onto him by the nose, and we’re going to kick him in the ass! We’re going to kick the hell out of him all the time, and we’re going to go through him like crap through a goose.

Now, there’s one thing that you men will be able to say when you get back home, and you may thank God for it. Thirty years from now when you’re sitting around your fireside with your grandson on your knee, and he asks you, “What did you do in the great World War Two?” You won’t have to say, “Well, I shoveled shit in Louisiana.”

All right now, you sons of bitches, you know how I feel. Oh . . . I will be proud to lead you wonderful guys into battle anytime, anywhere.

That’s all.

Replace Huns and Nazis with terrorists and insurgents and you’ll get the general idea. THAT’s how you win a war.

What am I missing here?

omegaram on April 8, 2007 at 11:36 AM

The International Red Cross, the MSM, the Democrats, every “Peace” origination in the world, The MSM (they think they are important and deserve double billing), the Democrats (same as the MSM), the UN, and anyone else who demonizes the US and the Bush administration.

All of the above would go crazy over such a proposal and would NEVER allow it. It would be Guantanamo Mania 2.0.

Train and motivate a large group of dangerous terrorists determined to destroy you and and your allies, or provide expense to put them in solatary confinement. The conditions do not have to be elaborate, just effective. For that matter put them in a tent surrounded by constatine wire and provide them with food and water.

What am I missing here?

Those who are violent, hang’m.

Anyone who deliberately targets unsuspecting, unarmed civilians has committed a ‘war crime’, a ‘crime against humanity’. Under the Geneva convention, we can hang’m, shoot’m , or fry’m, drown’m, gas’m. Perfectly legal, recognized by every government on the planet.

Gangsta thugs who commit murder should be hung, publicly, for several days, until odorous. The protesters, and sympathizers can be hung along side’m, for aiding and abetting.

Move the prison to the deep desert.

Zorro on April 8, 2007 at 7:02 AM

That’s a good idea. Here’s a nice twist. Try the terrorist. Convict the terrorist. Sentence the terrorist. Give the family of the terrorists victim all the guns and ammunition they want. Release the terrorist and tell him he has to get to said desert prison on his own. IF the family of his victims EVER find the terrorist outside of the prison, he can be summarily shot on the spot. No trial, no nothing.

Of course the situation is slightly different. But why can’t we be doing this? Not with the hardcore guys (like KSM) but with individuals who have the potential for leadership.

we can’t shoot them

We can’t? Why?