Video: Colmes, Fleming defend Iranians, blame America for situation; blame McCain for terrorist attacks
posted at 1:50 pm on April 7, 2007 by Ian
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This was too good not to post the whole video. Alan Colmes and Jane Fleming found every which way to defend the Iranians’ capture of fifteen British sailors. Fleming said “violence was not the answer.” That comment was almost as bad as the guy who joined the Marines but objected to killing.
Fleming was all about giving the “benefit of the doubt” to the Iranians but wouldn’t even give it to her own country. The Democratic strategist blasted the Bush administration for speaking out against the torture of these soldiers, when our soldiers have tortured prisoners. Not the same thing, unless you’re suggesting Bush and Rummy sanctioned torture. Are you suggesting that Jane?
Never mind that Iran and the UK aren’t even technically at war.
Iranian apologist Alan Colmes said this was “possibly” a response to the US arresting several Iranians over 5 months ago. Colmes added it was a “foreign policy mistake.” Once again, it’s America’s fault. Republican strategist Amy Holmes laid Alan out, explaining the difference between capturing Iranians in Iraq and British sailors in Iraqi waters. D’oh. I guess when your mission is to blame America first, making crazy comparisons doesn’t matter. Soon after, guest co-host Rich Lowry jumped in to summarize Alan’s thoughts with this zinger: “Oh, Gosh! We tried to stop some Iranians from killing our guys, therefore in some bizarre, moral reasoning the Bush administration is responsible for what the Iranian’s did.”
Then this nugget slipped out from Jane Fleming’s mouth: “Alan was not condemning what the Iranians did to the British soldiers, nobody would.” Did she mean “condoning?” Freudian slip?
After getting backed into a corner with Lowry, Fleming changed the subject to how terrible things are going in Iraq and why John McCain is the reason for a terrorist attack. Here’s what she said (emphasis mine):
McCain took a hundred of our soldiers, who should have been doing their normal duty, to tour a marketplace. A CIA agent went on that day and said what he did was wrong because he was sure that those people who were shown in the marketplace would be targeted and killed and that is exactly what happened. Twenty-one [unintelligible] were killed on the hands of McCain’s visit to Iraq.
Jane Fleming just blamed John McCain for an insurgent attack. Can we question her patriotism now?
So, Alan and Jane, “[w]hy are you carrying water for the mullahs?”
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Bind those two morons together and ship them to Iran . . . do not include a return address.
rplat on April 7, 2007 at 1:54 PM
Heh, seems AJ Srata found an interesting poll stat:
Priceless.
crosspatch on April 7, 2007 at 2:00 PM
Chesty Mctalkingpoints strikes again. I’m not sure what Allah ever saw in her. Well, actually, I do.
lorien1973 on April 7, 2007 at 2:00 PM
I guess the question was, “What is the fastest way to worldwide Islamofascism and dhimmitude?”
Laura on April 7, 2007 at 2:05 PM
Why don’t they just rename the Democrat Party the “Blame America First” party. Since 2002 through today, I have yet to see a sign at an lib anti-war protest condemning OBL, Saddam Hussein, Iran, al-Qaeda, Hezzbollah, Hamas, or any other jihadist organization. At least these anti-patriots are consistent….somehow or other it is ALWAYS America’s fault.
Mallard T. Drake on April 7, 2007 at 2:12 PM
Or… Blamecrats (blame-eh-crats). Oh wait what was I thinking? They prefer to be called Blamecratic.
Mojave Mark on April 7, 2007 at 2:19 PM
The Republican strategist on the segment was AWESOME!
She thumped them both bad. She shut down ultra-lib Fleming in her tracks.
Priceless!
gatewaypundit on April 7, 2007 at 2:22 PM
Yep, they support the troops by telling them to surrender without a fight…
To just do what the enemy tells them without resistance…
To do… what THEY would do…
Romeo13 on April 7, 2007 at 2:23 PM
Allah, your girlfriend got SCHOOLED on this one!!
Boo-Yah.
omnipotent on April 7, 2007 at 2:25 PM
Just for the record, no relation.
frankj on April 7, 2007 at 2:27 PM
Mu Haa haa…
Yes… one of the agents of the Vast Right Wing Sleestack Conspiricy did well….
Romeo13 on April 7, 2007 at 2:33 PM
I cannot watch or listen to those democrat stooges.
Maybe someone should send those two to Walter Reed or Bethesda to spend the day helping our wounded heroes with their therapy. I think that would help clarify (to them) what America is all about.
Zorro on April 7, 2007 at 2:39 PM
We question both Jane Fleming’s and Alan Colmes’s patriotism. Patriots don’t consistently rationalize in the way they do. Also, I don’t want to hear from anyone how they like Alan Colmes.
Phil Byler on April 7, 2007 at 2:44 PM
Don’t overlook the attack on John McCain by lefty Fleming. There will be plenty of them in the days ahead because John McCain is strongly supporting the military and the Iraq War; and nothing is more dangerous to the Democrats than our success in Iraq. Daniel Henninger’s article “The Democrats’ Surge” posted on The Wall Street Journal Online October 5, 2007, made the point that what could go wrong with the current Democrat political strategy is American success in Iraq. I would ask peple to put aside whatever irritations they have had with John McCain and respect him for what he is now doing in standing up for the military and the Iraq War. The Democrats and the mainstream media will be going after McCain for his steadfastness on Iraq.
Phil Byler on April 7, 2007 at 2:53 PM
This is beyond any and all reasonable thought.
Wade on April 7, 2007 at 2:55 PM
Damn traitors.
Got a prolem with this statement, Bradky?
georgej on April 7, 2007 at 3:00 PM
Personally, I think Amy is gorgeous. Way prettier than what’s ever name with the shower curtain on. But I digress…Alan was indeed blaming America and so was Jane and no matter how they spin it, there it is. Jane doesn’t follow Alan’s logic when a conservative repeats it. Priceless.
Glynn on April 7, 2007 at 3:02 PM
it’s going to be pretty dang entertaining to replay these clips during the run-up to the next presidential election. The Dems are embracing positions which guarantee their own failure. KEEP IT UP, DEMS! Losers. Losers. Losers.
stevezilla on April 7, 2007 at 3:05 PM
“We question both Jane Fleming’s and Alan Colmes’s patriotism. ”
Politics is everything to the Democrats. They have no sense of common good. They must oppose whatever the Republicans do just for the sake of opposition. Fighting these islamist fascists should be the perfect example of common ground. The fascists oppose every single principle that the Democrats and modern liberalism stand for yet they can not bring themselves to fight them because it would mean going along with the Republicans and they are apparently quite willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces. They would sooner obstruct a war against people they should naturally be against for domestic political reasons.
They are taking some HUGE gambles. They apparently believe they can damage US credibility in the world and then repair it if they should gain power. They apparently believe they can secure a defeat of the US in Iraq and then defeat these people later should they remain a problem. But what they fail to understand is that when they damage us in the world diplomatic arena, they damage the image if America as a whole. Foreign nations don’t give a pinch of owl scat about our domestic politics. All they know is that the Democrats say one thing and then a few months later say the opposite. They also do not support their country even in a war. It sends a message that the US is not to be trusted no matter who is in charge.
The Democrats are really out to destroy the US. They are just plain evil, they are an enemy of America and they need to be driven out of office at all levels.
crosspatch on April 7, 2007 at 3:07 PM
I short … either the Democrats are exceptionally stupid or they are out to intentionally harm the US. I want them to state which one is true. I don’t believe that many people can all be that stupid at the same time.
crosspatch on April 7, 2007 at 3:13 PM
Fleming would do better to wear low-cut shirts and smile.
WisCon on April 7, 2007 at 3:16 PM
I see something very Taming of the Shrew-ish about their arguments. They seem to have no problem blaming U.S. troops for everything since original sin, but they are cutting the Brits a break because many on the right have a problem with how they handled this situation. Definitely Taming of the Shrew material.
Glynn on April 7, 2007 at 3:29 PM
O/T
Our minor league baseball team is going to have its season home opener here in a few days and we attend most home games. I had a dream last night that Alan Colmes was up to bat for us in street clothes and I think most were cheering him on. Not a big Alan fan of course, but WTF could it all mean? Probably nothing but I am not telling anyone who I actually see on a daily basis.
kahall on April 7, 2007 at 3:43 PM
Seriously, I never got what he saw in here either. It was an insult to KP to act like Fleming was following in her footsteps as a reasonable lib, etc. If anything, Flemming is a Rosie in training. She’s a dispicable human being, admits to shameful double standards, and blames America any chance she gets, when they have nothing to do with anything. She sounds like some inexperienced college kid who gets the rare opportunity to be on one of these shows simply because they made headlines for attacking conservative speaker on their campus or something. She’s just got this nervous way about her, so much that you can tell she’s not at all confident in her lies. Perhaps that’s her problem, she’s the head of that Young Democrats group.. maybe she spends too much time with Koolaid College Campus Libs, so she’s unaware that she sounds like a fricken’ idiot when she’s talking to adults.
RightWinged on April 7, 2007 at 3:46 PM
Traitors, both of them. Niether deserves a pulpit for their hate America rhetoric.
Viper1 on April 7, 2007 at 3:47 PM
“Violence is not the answer.”
“Fighting was not an option.”
What’s disturbing about the people who are de facto apologists for Iranian misbehavior/acts of war is that they’re quick to figure out what’s “not” the answer, but come up empty on anything that could be reasonably construed as a solution.
Something I learned at least as far back as high school debate was that if you’re going to jump into an argument, bring something to the table: don’t just sit there whining, carping and complaining about what everybody else is doing, as if that somehow makes you “above it all.” It doesn’t.
Psychological displacement and leaning on avoidance mechanisms like changing the subject are not signs of ethical or logical superiority, but of cowardice and intellectual bankruptcy. Both of which were on clear display by Colmes and Fleming in this instance.
But, alas, too often par for the course when it comes to liberal “debate.” Which is why I stopped watching Hannity and Colmes some tima ago: I got tired of shouting at my television set while libs wallowed in long-refuted talking points, wonderous demonstrations of logical fallacies and exasperating displays of symptoms of mental illness.
Spurius Ligustinus on April 7, 2007 at 3:49 PM
Maybe the Iranians were under orders to scrub the thing if they Brits resisted. We will never know.
crosspatch on April 7, 2007 at 4:01 PM
actually, I don’t think the dems are the complete opposite of the islamic fascist. I think the dems are godless fascist or secular fascist. Remember the political party of the dictators in the M.E. are some type of socialist party, central planning, etc….social issues aside.
jp on April 7, 2007 at 4:09 PM
If Jane Fleming is representative of the strategists employed by the Democratic Party, the 2008 election is the Republican’s to lose.
The only times she’s even remotely coherent are when she offers a non-sequitur response consisting of recycled talking-points.
Forgive the ad-hominem, but she’s a moron.
-phil
phile on April 7, 2007 at 4:10 PM
What troubles me is, Alan and Jane don’t seem to understand the difference between right and wrong. Justifying the Iranian actions and condemning our troops. Amy was right in pointing out the the lefts attitude towards blaming our forces.
Maybe they should go back and review history. Iran might not be the Barbary Coast, but the same applies. It’s the reason why these lyrics remind us of why our republic stands as the greatest nation on earth.
Kini on April 7, 2007 at 4:18 PM
The leftists never understand right from wrong, they also don’t believe in evil. They are self haters and self blamers, we should encourage them to move to Iran..maybe the self blame will rub off? lol.
Highrise on April 7, 2007 at 4:22 PM
Y’know, I wonder some times what would happen to these people if defense-minded folks pulled an Atlas Shrugged and left them to deal with Iran by themselves. The military would be made up of imbecilic hippies like Watada and that peace-Marine douchetool, second-guessing every decision and passing blame like a hot potato.
Schmucks.
spmat on April 7, 2007 at 4:25 PM
Interesting to see when Fleming’s supercilious smirk comes and goes during the interview. Everytime she was obviously getting hosed the dumb smirk disappeared and whenever she (mistakenly) believed she somehow had the moral high ground the smirk would come back again.
Despicable woman and no I wouldn’t want to see her in a low-cut shirt. This is one woman that I’d really rather see in a Burka or not at all. Maybe one can convince her, Cindy Sheehan and Nancy Pelosi to all go and do propaganda work in the middle-east (for Iran).
Aylios on April 7, 2007 at 4:25 PM
Ian, that is the SECOND time she has done that. I believe it was in the famous cleavage video that she used condoned instead of condemned.
She’s a dope.
csdeven on April 7, 2007 at 4:30 PM
What is wrong with these people?
Emotionally disturbed.
Halley on April 7, 2007 at 4:33 PM
Fleming , Colmes, Schwartz. Little nats.
M.M could swap them away like a little dust on the
keyboard. Problem is they filibuster the show and
never answer thr questions. My 6 yr old grandson
could give better answers.
Texyank on April 7, 2007 at 4:47 PM
Why don’t they just shut her mike when she drones on, especially when she is repeatedly asked to shut up. She gets her turn, she doesn’t need to talk over other people.
CrimsonFisted on April 7, 2007 at 4:58 PM
It’s your subconscious telling you not to bother with playoff tickets this year.
billy on April 7, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Alan’s question emphasizes that it’s perhaps not fair to question the British soldiers’ conduct now that they’ve been released unharmed, as if that was the only issue at stake here. It’s not. The issue is much bigger than the safe return of those 15 people. By providing a much stiffer resistance to their captors, they could have lessened materially the psychological impact of this event and denied Iran a rather large propaganda victory. The Iran that is doing its best to steam toward a nuclear arsenel just dipped its toe in the waters of confrontation and realized that the water’s not too bad. If it was only about getting these 15 sailors and marines home I could perhaps, perhaps, justify their response, but this was only one event in a much larger, ongoing conflict. There will be future reprecussions because of the limp-wristed response of the British establishment and the ease with which its soldiers supplicated themselves for their captors.
That Alan would concentrate solely on the here-and-now is not surprising at all. Liberals are seemingly incapable of living beyond the present moment. It’s always about immediate gratification for them.
KGB on April 7, 2007 at 5:28 PM
Yep, I was thinking that too, and sure enough, she did. So apparently she not only doesn’t know the difference between condemn and condone, nobody else explained it to her in the interim so she wouldn’t make herself look stupid.
It’s amazing how the Blame America First crowd can manage to blame everybody but the people who actually took the hostages, the Iranians. Remember, people like Colmes and Fleming are the ones that always hold up “international law” as the standard for everything, yet manage to forget all about it when Iran uses the Geneva Conventions for toilet paper. But then you can’t be a liberal without hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty. Not to mention hating America.
For the record (I like to know my enemy), Jane Fleming no longer works for the
Hitler YouthYoung Democrats of America–she’s now executive director of the “Young [Flaming Liberal] Voter PAC”. Also, she recently got married to Scott Kleeb, a fellow Democrat who in November lost the race for Nebraska’s 3rd Congressional District.So sorry, Allah, but she’s married, so hopefully that’ll finally drive a stake through any romantic aspirations you might have for her. And thanks to Ian for posting this, since Allah can get mesmerized by the cleavage.
ReubenJCogburn on April 7, 2007 at 5:46 PM
It’s their FIRM BELIEF, negotiations or diplomacy BEGIN with “Hostage Taking”
In other words, in the order of progression:
#1 Our people are taken hostage.
#2 NOW, we’ll negotiate – NOW, we’ll use diplomacy.
THAT approach is an open INVITATION, for hostage taking.
franksalterego on April 7, 2007 at 5:57 PM
democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:from bondage to spiritual faith;from spiritual faith to great courage;from courage to liberty;from liberty to abundance;from abundance to selfishness;from selfishness to complacency;from complacency to apathy;from apathy to dependency;from dependency back again to bondage.
–Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian
Romeo13 on April 7, 2007 at 6:09 PM
What no pithy comments from Allah? I thought Fleming was your girl…
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on April 7, 2007 at 6:48 PM
Yea, with every one of our lives and futures, all for political gain!
DKK
LifeTrek on April 7, 2007 at 6:56 PM
Colmes is such a shallow sophist. I wish FNC would replace him with someone who can do more than recite DNC talking points and deflect with moral relativism.
Kirsten Powers, for example, would be a huge improvement. She’s three things Colmes is not: intelligent, insightful, and intellectually honest.
petefrt on April 7, 2007 at 7:08 PM
Amy Holmes showed intellectual clarity and strength. If that was representative of work, I hope to see a lot more of her.
petefrt on April 7, 2007 at 7:27 PM
Without getting bogged down in useless rhetoric, I think the problems we face personally and globally can be traced back to pride and fear. Commenters have asked how the Left can rationalize everything to fit their flawed world view. And this also applys to those on the Right:
When was the last time you heard anyone admit to a mistake? When have you heard someone admit that they were wrong? Pride won’t let them, and fear, fear that they will be seen as flawed or weak for having been mistaken keeps many from being humble enough to admit that they were wrong.
Example:
Why does the Left continue to attack President Bush? Because to admit that they were wrong about him is too much for their egos to bear.
How do we become better people? Not by pride and fear, but humility and honest reflection. Good luck, all.
Doug on April 7, 2007 at 7:33 PM
Jane, you poor misguided scrag!
(Yeah, I know what you THOUGHT I was gonna say!)
“Violence is not the answer” isn’t a thought, it’s a thoughtless talking point. It’s a mantra you chant to make it okay that you’re making excuses for terrorists.
It’s truly tragic that someone can be that hot and that stupid at the same time.
Merovign on April 7, 2007 at 7:36 PM
Oh no Jane didn’t just bring up Abu Gharib. Ok, I’m staging a personal boycott against her pathetic person
VinceP1974 on April 7, 2007 at 8:53 PM
Yeah, she’s a low-grade moron, but she pales in comparison to Alan “Iranian Diplomats” Colmes.
What a waste of oxygen that jackass is. I mean, how much is he getting paid by Iran to be their press secretary, and how much more pathetic is he if he’s doing it pro malum? (That’s the “other kind” of “pro bono” work, for those to whom Latin is all Greek.)
Merovign on April 7, 2007 at 8:55 PM
“Chesty Mctalkingpoints”
LOL. Awesome.
VinceP1974 on April 7, 2007 at 8:58 PM
Colmes and Fleming, tag-teaming on Fox…
Ugh!
Lawrence on April 7, 2007 at 9:32 PM
Iranian diplomats? oh if only they HAD been Iranian diplomats, how fascinating it would be to hear al lan bin colme’ distinguish and explain away the difference between seizing foreign nationals supplying training and material to those killing our troops and allies and the absolute respect the Iranian govt shows for foreign diplomats in their own embassy compounds. the lefts/democratic party’s sedition and treason
has honestly reached an all time low. I never would have believed that this pitiful group of miscreants would sell out Our nations best and brightest for political currency, and a mindless vendetta against The President, trading their blood and lives for a handful of talking points and inter party one up man ship. Sure sell out a couple million Cambodians and Vietnamese, but for Gods sake these are OUR kids they are killing with their political game of gotcha.
From the Castro take over, through all of Vietnam, and the entire cold war, which grew mighty damn hot in some of the spots I visited, I have never feared for My country, as I do at this time.
Useful idiots? no, traitor is the word, and I am ashamed of what I see the dhimmi-cratic party do in the name of My great Country
CBP
…the will of the masses is divided by far-reaching distortions and the mass mind is corrupted by a knowledge worse than ignorance because it is false.
Ely Culbertson
colorfulbeachpersona on April 7, 2007 at 11:11 PM
I do, 100%! They are the first to take a crap on the US Military if it is run by a Republican Administration, yet UN “Peace Keepers” raping young girls, no problem.
Hey, Jane and Allen, you don’t need to go to Iraq, just make a day trip to Tijuana…. see how your liberal views handle being robbed, mugged, and raped by the local Policia?
Good thing for the “New Media”, they might think they win the arguement by being defiant, but in a years time, when things change, I have a feeling these statments will just might cause some producer somewhere to say, “Next!”.
PinkyBigglesworth on April 8, 2007 at 12:35 AM
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Colmes is a DILDO.
She’s one more thing that Colmes isn’t–handsome. (Trying my hand at understatement.)
These two dopes haven’t the faintest idea what they are even saying–it’s like a talking point snowball fight–they grab whatever they can reach and let fly. Like most blame America first types, they are socialists, and it is the socialist “analysis” that produces their unifying premise–the United States is the source of all the world’s problems, being the exemplar of the capitalist economy. I’d bet the farm that basically every blame America firster is a socialist of one stripe or another, because it’s the shared Marxist uber-analysis of capitalism that leads such a diverse collection of idiots (Leninists, Maoists, Stalinists, Trotskyists, anarchists, syndicalists, tree hugging eco-bats, etc.) to the same erroneous conclusion. It also explains why, unlike a stopped clock, they aren’t even right twice a day. Garbage in–garbage out.
They all end up sounding a lot like that other famous Marx, of the Groucho variety, when he finds himself president of some bucolic college, and sets out to destroy its serenity. The song goes, “Whatever it is–I’m against it. No matter who began or who commenced it, I’m against it.”
smellthecoffee on April 8, 2007 at 1:13 AM
I have a good friend that is as liberal as they come. When we are talking politics, he general believes that people who vote for Republicans and Bush are not thinking clearly, or thinking deep enough. Basically when it comes to politics, we are stupid. You can hear it in any liberals voice. By the way, the leadership of the democrats have their crap together and are getting there message out. Where is our leadership out there fighting. the blogs and some on fox, Rush, can only do so much. When is Bush going to stand up and start kicking some A**, WHEN!!!!!
kara26 on April 8, 2007 at 9:04 AM
kara26
It is not going to happen especially if you depend on GWB to do your fighting. His actions in the last 6 years have been not to fight back about any issue. He lets the liberals attack attack attack 24/7 and has nothing to say about it.
The is why the American people believe that Iraq had no WMD’s even though we found tons of them. That is why when found several tons of yellow cake and yet the American people know nothing about it.
Instead of showing the yellow cake being transported back to the USA to keep it out of the terrorists hands, GWB went on TV to give a speech and admitted there were no WMD’s.
IMHO-GWB has done more damage to the Republican Party than any other in the last 20 years.
Issue after issue, GWB has surrendered to the Liberals in Congress.
The latest example is coming out on man made Global Warming and pushing through his ridiculous ethanol program.(watch for higher food prices because it will cause a corn shortage)
That is called surrender in my book.
BTW-Read Rush’s transcript from Thursdays show about this, Rush says the same thing.
ScottyDog on April 8, 2007 at 12:01 PM
It’s a good thing I don’t keep track of the day by what hate America thing a Lefty says. The days would all be the same.
William Teach on April 8, 2007 at 3:14 PM
I’d love to debate Fleming….you could fill encyclopedias with what she doesn’t know.
John from OPFOR on April 8, 2007 at 7:03 PM
Why Fleming is a FOX commentator is a mystery to me; she is a vicious Republican hater who can only spout Democratic talking points without any coherent world view. Colmes is the perfect example of an appeaser although he does not have the total nastiness that permeates Fleming. Colmes also cannot move past Democratic talking points, which he appears to get before each broadcast.
ptolemy on April 8, 2007 at 7:38 PM
Fleming, Rosie, Olberman……I feel comfortable lumping them all together because 1) they’re fringe and 2) they’re kind of idiots.
My favorite Fleming line was a recent one, where she credited troops getting the care they need “because of Democrats.”
It’s like mental opium when these jokers try to talk military…the detachment from reality is absolutely exquisite. Just stirred to perfection…mmmmmm.
John from OPFOR on April 9, 2007 at 12:54 AM
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