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Video: O’Reilly, Geraldo go berserk over illegal alien drunk driver

posted at 1:38 am on April 6, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Nothing I can say will properly prepare you for it so I won’t even try.

Here’s the background.

Here are the appetite-whetting screencaps:

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And here’s the clip. I feel like Max in “Rushmore” scribbling in my hymnal, “BEST NEWS CHAT SEGMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN.”



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Wow, shades of the old Morton Downey, Jr. Show. When do they start throwing chairs at each other?

Ed Driscoll on April 6, 2007 at 1:47 AM

It’s obvious where Geraldo’s loyalties are. Methinks he should continue to look for Capone’s vault and STFU on these matters.

JG2K6 on April 6, 2007 at 1:47 AM

When it rains it pours.

tommylotto on April 6, 2007 at 1:55 AM

I wonder what the body language expert will make of this.

billy on April 6, 2007 at 2:00 AM

Sublime.

a4g on April 6, 2007 at 2:04 AM

People have been banned from HotAir for behavior and/or speech that was less offensive (IMHO) than that exhibited in this No Spin segment. So why do these guys get their own TV shows?

Never mind. I think that I already know the answer.

CyberCipher on April 6, 2007 at 2:07 AM

1) Illegal aliens have a higher crime rate than citizens (and I’m not even counting the inherent illegality of being an illegal alien); Geraldo might be thinking of legal immigrants, who have a lower crime rate.

2) Latinos do have a higher drunk driving rate than other ethnic groups. That tends to be the subtext in these endless shoulda-been-deported-on-a-prior/drunk-driving-fatality-horror-anecdotes that pseudo-immigration hawks like O’Reilly love to cite for some reason, but they can’t bring themselves to get to the uncomfortable part of it.

Alex K on April 6, 2007 at 2:11 AM

When are the Republicans going to get a little of this passion? Bottle it and sell it to your local Republican representative.

Mojave Mark on April 6, 2007 at 2:12 AM

Oh yah, Geraldo’s a putz.

Mojave Mark on April 6, 2007 at 2:12 AM

You gotta give Geraldo (and O’R) props for getting it together and being cordial at the end there.

One of the key traits of the immigration issue is that it drives people insane because it taps into the most elemental issues of life: race, heritage, inequity, gratitude. Most immigration semi-hawks think/hope the issue can be settled without apocalyptic confrontations all over the political world and spectrum, but they’re kidding themselves. It’s going to be like a religious war.

Alex K on April 6, 2007 at 2:15 AM

Geraldo bloviated way more than BO. Bill made the mistake of getting angry. Bill is right that the guy should’ve been deported the moment he was caught, felony or no, but the sanctuary city policy kept the police from noting his illegality.

Spassvogel on April 6, 2007 at 2:19 AM

Wow. Classic stuff. I’m happy to see O’Reilly go after that douche. It was long overdue.

Patriot33 on April 6, 2007 at 2:24 AM

When I watched this earlier tonight, I knew this clip was destined for HotAir.

Although I like Geraldo in general, I am stunned by his illegal immigrants can do no evil attitude. Don’t get me wrong, they both were over the top, but Bill’s base position is more defensible than Geraldos.

JayHaw Phrenzie on April 6, 2007 at 2:26 AM

Awesome… however the foriegners have this beat every day with fist fights and screaming matches…

I’m not even going to touch this issue right now… I’m Cherokee, you’re all trespassing… I’m related to the mexicans… lol

anyway did anyone else que into the look on Bills face…. his eyes… that was a look from some where deep with in…

Kaptain Amerika on April 6, 2007 at 2:31 AM

fox has finally arrived there. this is like one of the news segments from a verhoven film.

geraldo’s right, btw.

jummy on April 6, 2007 at 2:34 AM

Jerry Rivers was wrong.Period. Defending criminal behavior because the perp was Latino? For that matter defending a criminal because his first couple of crimes were not felonies?

bbz123 on April 6, 2007 at 2:37 AM

Kaptain Amerika

Yeah so?…I am Cherokee and German…does half of me have to go back to Germany?

EnochCain on April 6, 2007 at 2:41 AM

You know – this isn’t even entertaining anymore. There is something bad happening to our country that all civil discourse has seemed to have left us. It’s not just on TV either – its everywhere – even among friends and neighbors.

What’s happened to us? It’s going to be the ruin of us all, I feel. Civility is gone.

Dr. Gecko on April 6, 2007 at 2:41 AM

I dunno. I know there’s an immigration problem, but noone is doing anything about it, so why is his manslaughter worse than any other manslaughter. He may not “supposed” to be here, but the system certainly allows him to, so its no different than John McCain or Obama plowing their motorcade through a couple children.

This country is based on immigrants. We need to do it properly with Mexico, so at least the health care system doesn’t turn into a giant pile of doggy doo-doo.

Vincenzo on April 6, 2007 at 2:43 AM

Bill’s point is not that the manslaughter is worse for the perp being an illegal immigrant.

Bill’s point was that there were three occassions where the person that eventually killed the girls was in the custody of the police. If in any of those occassions the police had called ICE to deport this young man, the girls would be alive.

By not doing their job and enforcing the law, the police enabled this person to later be able to commit this act.

Bill did not get angry until long after Geraldo went bonkers. Of course, once he got angry Bill melted down completely.

And then he smiled and asked Geraldo how his show was going. OMG what an ending. hehe.

JayHaw Phrenzie on April 6, 2007 at 2:48 AM

Geraldo is like the Jimmy Carter of illegal immigrants…he has never met one he did not like..it does not matter if they are murderers etc…he is down for the cause.

EnochCain on April 6, 2007 at 2:51 AM

O’Reily was right. I spent years working in a private security capacity decades ago along the Tex-Mex border region and I enjoyed the people and the experience (so I’m not a racist). I now live across the lake from Canada. A couple years ago my wife came home from work at the local hospital and relayed to me an odd incident. An hispanic male was approaching and photographing women employees going to their jobs, my wife included. Long story short, I hung out there till we spotted him. Hospital security arrested him, the police took him away. He had half a dozen names and social security numbers and was illegal as all get out. They told him not to bug people and let him go. They don’t deport anyone. The borders are already open. They have been for some time.

Buck Turgidson on April 6, 2007 at 2:52 AM

Like usual, GR is totally wrong headed on this. His apologetic machinations for anything illegal alien is sickening. Like most liberal pukes, he ignores the thousands of immigrants that come to this country LEGALLY! Yes, this country needs immigrants, but we do not need illegal ones. Why would you trust anyone who’s very first act in this country is an illegal act? That’s just plain stupid. This case is about illegal aliens and how the failure of our system to deport them has a direct relation to crime and suffering for citizens of this country.

SCREW the illegals! Lets protect CITIZENS first!

csdeven on April 6, 2007 at 2:57 AM

SCREW the illegals! Lets protect CITIZENS first!

I agree totally..I have no problem with legal immigrants and if you ask me they are getting screwed along with the rest of us…they wait in line while these people hop the border to the front of the line.

EnochCain on April 6, 2007 at 3:01 AM

Geraldo argues for reform for his Latino confrères.
On the day that the reform occurs he will insist that all must respect that law.
But the law – as it now stands – he does not respect.
Worse he believes that only a racist would disagree with him.

Agree with G-man to disregard current law or else you are a race motivated hater.
Should immigration law be changed to his liking – only a anarchist would undermine that state of affairs.

Stephen M on April 6, 2007 at 3:02 AM

That is one thing that gets on my nerves…race before country…

EnochCain on April 6, 2007 at 3:04 AM

It is simply a fact that had Ramos been deported those girls would not have been killed by his drunk driving.

The problem Geraldo has is that he equates illegal with Mexican. Why does he have to see everything as an attack on hispanics?

If the authorities were doing their jobs then it wouldn’t matter if it were an Italian, Irishman, Asian, or any other illegal alien. They would have been deported.
DKK

LifeTrek on April 6, 2007 at 3:05 AM

OMFG that was cathartic.

spmat on April 6, 2007 at 3:15 AM

Wow!

Morton Downey Jr.? More like Friday Night Smackdown.

Rivera was wrong and O’Reilly was right. Any illegal should be deported the moment he is convicted of any crime, be it an ordinance violation (like traffic tickets), misdemeanor, or felony.

It is NOT unconstitution to deport illegal aliens EVEN IF THEY HAVE COMMITTED NO CRIME WHATSOEVER. So the question that is is somehow wrong to deport an illegal for a misdemeanor but okay for a felony is total BS.

georgej on April 6, 2007 at 3:16 AM

Geraldo’s such a dumbass. He’s the Gomer Pyle of journalism. He means well but he can’t do anything right.

Here’s a study done by MADD several years ago:

In 2001, according to MADD, 44.1 percent of California’s drunk driving arrests in 2001 were of Hispanics, although Hispanics made up only 31.3 percent of the state’s population.

Sad, but true.

http://www.maddorangecounty.org/oc_stats_2002.htm

…and there are several links to studys of illegal immigrants and the death toll they take on American Citizens every day. Totals far exceed all US soldiers killed in action in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103

SilverStar830 on April 6, 2007 at 3:24 AM

Nice Rushmore reference, AP.

violet on April 6, 2007 at 3:32 AM

O’Reilly looked like an ass getting that angry, but he’s totally right and Geraldo let’s his obsession with proving to hispanics that he’s “their guy” make him sound like an effing idiot. What was that rant about knocking on doors looking for illegal aliens, dragging them out and doing “something” to them? Who said anything about that?! Bill pointed out that this guy had been busted for crimes 4 times, and asked why the hell he wasn’t deported!? Geraldo can talk about DUI deaths stats all he wants, but that doesn’t excuse the fact that if the law had been enforced, those parents would still have their girl.

As for illegals committing crimes at a lower rate!? Check your stats amigo.

RightWinged on April 6, 2007 at 3:33 AM

As a person who lives in Norfolk, Va and works in Virginia Beach, I’d like to point out it was unfair of O’Riely to spotlight Mayor Obendorf. Ramos had previousely been arrested in Chesepeake, VA and not Virginia Beach so the ball was in Chesepeake’s court. Which doesn’t matter since calling the Feds does absolutely nothing; they will not deport. Further, as Gov. Kaine pointed out it is the responsibility of the Federal Government to deport illegals, not the States. Which doesn’t change the fact that that SOB SHOULD have been deported the first time he got caught, in which case those 2 teenagers would still be alive.

wolfva on April 6, 2007 at 4:20 AM

Geraldo keeps arguing it is no illegal alien’s fault because “we lured them here.” Right. And the rapist should walk because the girl was wearing a tight skirt and was asking for it.

laelaps on April 6, 2007 at 4:25 AM

That was great! Go Bill!

BillyKess on April 6, 2007 at 5:40 AM

Nice to see some people on TV not act “nicey nice” for a change and let their real passion about an outrageous problem be seen on the air.
Anyone else notice that Bob Clark, the director of “A Christmas Story,” and his 22-year-old son were also killed yesterday by a drunk driver who also was an illegal alien?

Jen the Neocon on April 6, 2007 at 5:47 AM

Geraldo should be the one to talk about dead careers, hes obviously been drinking Rosies kool aid. Good job Mr O.!!

Viper1 on April 6, 2007 at 5:58 AM

Here’s the link to the story:
Driver in Filmmaker’s death is Illegal Immigrant
Don’t know about you, but “A Christmas Story” is a beloved favorite at my house.
God rest Bob Clark and his son.

Jen the Neocon on April 6, 2007 at 5:59 AM

“We lured them here…”

Geraldo managed to make it all our fault too, just like the good liberal of the 21st century.
DKK

LifeTrek on April 6, 2007 at 6:48 AM

Low…Ri…der…drives a little drunker.

That’s sad about the Christmas Story director & son. Fame will certainly have different consequences for ol’ Guido in that incident.

Coronagold on April 6, 2007 at 7:12 AM

Worse he believes that only a racist would disagree with him.

Which is exactly why Bill got angry. Geraldo was basically calling him a racists using code. Truth is, Geraldo wouldn’t be defending illegals if the were anything other than Latinos. I remember him wading into a sea of foreign flags at the immigration marches marches with a grin from ear-to-ear proclaiming his joy at the show of power.

“we lured them here.” Right. And the rapist should walk because the girl was wearing a tight skirt and was asking for it.

Exactly.

TheBigOldDog on April 6, 2007 at 7:19 AM

/Tina (laughing giddily) blows the la cucaracha horn as she speeds off into the distance… License?

What license, we don’t need no steenkin’ license!

Tina Hey on April 6, 2007 at 7:44 AM

Geraldo:

Illegal aliens commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens do!

By definition, illegal means their crime rate is 100%.

Valiant on April 6, 2007 at 7:58 AM

Had these two poor young girls been hispanic, I can’t help but come to the conclusion that Rivera would say that this particular illegal alien should have been deported after the first arrest. However, since Rivera is a racist scumbag and the two young girls killed were white, Rivera can only side with illegal aliens committing crime after crime in this country. I remember well back in the day when Rivera described the Republican Party as a “white boy’s party”. I rest my case.

lynnv on April 6, 2007 at 7:59 AM

There are two sides to Geraldo.

I gotta’ say, he has always given good reports from Iraq.

But, on this issue, he’s way off base…You can’t formulate a creditable argument, when the first word is “Illegal”

franksalterego on April 6, 2007 at 8:04 AM

Yeah so?…I am Cherokee and German…does half of me have to go back to Germany?

EnochCain on April 6, 2007 at 2:41 AM

I’m Swedish, German, Scottish & English; where does that put me? In Poland?

TwinkietheKid on April 6, 2007 at 8:04 AM

/picks up jaw off floor

Good thing they can’t shoot lasers out their index fingers.

SouthernDem on April 6, 2007 at 8:16 AM

When I watched this earlier tonight, I knew this clip was destined for HotAir.

Same here! I don’t watch O’Reilly on a regular basis, but I happened to turn it on at 8PM EST, and literally started laughing! I called my friend up to make sure he watched the repeat at 11PM, and we both had a good laugh over O’Reilly melting down.

asc85 on April 6, 2007 at 8:20 AM

Now that’s good television.

vcferlita on April 6, 2007 at 8:30 AM

Geraldo; a Jew pretending to be hispanic, angrily defending an illegal immigrant who killed two children. Stopping and composing than saying: We disagree, the MSM has it wrong about Fox we are not all conservatives, we have different opinions…it became a pitch for Fox diversity.
Well at least the two girls who were killed, died for a good reason, to tell the world Fox is balanced.

Nothing is as it seems.

right2bright on April 6, 2007 at 8:34 AM

It will be only a matter of time before the passion we just witnessed here will turn to violence and vigilantes against these people that our government refuses to do anything about. When the American people start to take matters into their own hands, this will not be pretty. And I gotta tell you in all honesty, if my child was killed by an illegal, there would be hell to pay! Sorry, that’s the way it is!

soulsirkus on April 6, 2007 at 8:44 AM

That is one thing that gets on my nerves…race before country…

EnochCain on April 6, 2007 at 3:04 AM

wtf?

jummy on April 6, 2007 at 8:47 AM

This is where it ends, when some of the foundational laws of your society binding government go unenforced.

Enforcing the border is an obligation of the United States. Seeking the immigration status of a detained or arrested undocumented person is an obligation of local law enforcement as integral as a search for outstanding bench warrants on a national database, not to mention federal law enforcement “most wanted” and terrorist watch lists. Basic policework and coordination in a federal republic.

Making criminals the victim, so much so that you refuse to enforce such foundational laws, is at its most absurd and disgusting when it is the direct or proximate cause of harm to innocents. And what are you comparing, the marginal improvements to life brought about by the economic life of undocumented, illegal immigrant status, to the death of children?

That is O’Reilly’s case, and it is water tight. And sure as heck worth getting very angry about.

And I agree, there is too little anger on the Right focused like a laser beam on policy. What the Left calls “hate” extends all the way to basic cultural and religious norms. They’ll call it “hate” whether anyone raises their voice or gets the blood boiling, there’s nothing to lose any more.

Anil Petra on April 6, 2007 at 8:50 AM

I’m Swedish, German, Scottish & English; where does that put me? In Poland?
TwinkietheKid on April 6, 2007 at 8:04 AM

I’m part Mexican and have some Mayan blood…I’m trespassing on myself.

Slublog on April 6, 2007 at 9:00 AM

Just watched the video. That was awesomeness on a level that defies description.

Slublog on April 6, 2007 at 9:05 AM

I don’t care what color you are… white, green, purple, blue, brown, black, red, yellow… or if your a purple people eater…

if your in the US illegally… get out.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on April 6, 2007 at 9:08 AM

laelaps on April 6, 2007 at 4:25 AM… well said.

My anger on the illegal alien issue is finely focused on our governments refusal to enforce our nations laws. Even though last November should have been a large lesson to the GOP this administration and the GOP in general continues this shameful dereliction of duty. Why we even have two Republican frontrunners for President in ‘08 who support amnesty and will not secure the border or prosecute those who employ illegal aliens. It seems that Geraldo is more the face and voice of the GOP these days than Bill O.

Buzzy on April 6, 2007 at 9:10 AM

I’m a mostly eastern-european scots Jewish born protestant.
That makes me a double miser who does want me living next to me.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 6, 2007 at 9:13 AM

Good thing they can’t shoot lasers out their index fingers.

SouthernDem on April 6, 2007 at 8:16 AM

That’s a YouTube viral video waiting to happen.

fusionaddict on April 6, 2007 at 9:19 AM

The lack of civility, as one poster put it, is due to the constant erosion of the Rule of Law. Anarchy has set in. No need to wait for it, it’s here right now. It will only get worse until we once again, have one set of laws for one set of people.

voiceofreason on April 6, 2007 at 9:21 AM

Check out the Diggbats’ comments. http://digg.com/celebrity/Bill_O_Reilly_loses_it_going_against_Geraldo_Rivera

Something about assassinating O’Reilly?

zerodamage on April 6, 2007 at 9:24 AM

I gotta’ say, he has always given good reports from Iraq.
franksalterego on April 6, 2007 at 8:04 AM

Don’t tell my wife that. GR was evicted from Iraq for revealing troop positions on air and she gets immediately blood boiling pissed everytime she hears him speak. She thinks he should be tried for treason.

csdeven on April 6, 2007 at 9:34 AM

Kaptain Amerika

I’m 1/5 Cherokee, 2/5 Italian, 2/5 Irish. My family has hispanic, black, and asian lines in it too. It’s going to be very difficult to ship myself back.

amerpundit on April 6, 2007 at 9:41 AM

As a matter of fact, my great-something grandfather was a Chief of some tribe, and apparently married by German great-something grandmother, on my father’s side.

amerpundit on April 6, 2007 at 9:42 AM

There is something I think a lot of people miss on this subject. There is a bit of similarity in attitudes between people of Mexican/latino decent and muslims. I believe they think of themselves as Mexicans/latinos first and Americans second. It is a huge part of the assimilation problem. If my ancestors had been like that, I would still be making wurst and running a hoffbrau.

brtex on April 6, 2007 at 9:47 AM

Bill was over the top and I tried to turn it and it was one of where I swear and turn it back cause I just gotta hear how it turns out…the end was actually good….it showed you can fight and then go on…crew laughing was priceless.

The content:

a. Bill is correct in that had the guy been dealt with, no deaths would have occured, but he got too emotional to carry that point.

b. Geraldo, and I do like him, but he infuriated me with his comment that we all were complacent for the past 30 years while these illegals built this country and ecomony up.

I’ll speak for me. I have no problem with migrants with proper paperwork working in the fields. In MI, we have alot of seasonal picking to do. All I ask is that the company follows the law and has the proper paperwork in place. As for the rest of the usage for illegals? Hotels in college towns hiring illegals? Put an end to it. Hospitals? What is wrong with working with the local schools to get help?

My biggest problem? The people that have the money for a $10+ million home, millions in autos, unlimited spending allowance on cloths, and yet they save a buck by hiring an illegal to watch the kid and that priceless art?

Pam on April 6, 2007 at 9:51 AM

Wow.

Just… wow.

Rick Donaldson on April 6, 2007 at 9:57 AM

Geraldo is a drama queen and “at large” only in his own mind. The only reason FOX hired him is to entice the braindead. I may not be able to avoid him when he’s on O’Reilly, but FOX has lost me for his time slots on the weekends. No one understands poor Geraldo except his 4th wife, I guess.

Connie on April 6, 2007 at 10:08 AM

There are two sides to Geraldo.

I gotta’ say, he has always given good reports from Iraq.

franksalterego on April 6, 2007 at 8:04 AM

You mean that time when he broadcast the OPLAN of the 3ID unit he was embedded with before the attack? Yea, he got a little out front of that news cycle and it got him kicked out… I say thanks but no thanks to anything Geraldo…

BadBrad on April 6, 2007 at 10:09 AM

I saw it, and thought it was pathetic. Nothing like watching two people yelling at each other when neither of them are arguing the same point. Bills point of “he could not have killed anyone drunk driving IF he either had been deported long ago or locked up for previous crimes” went totally over Hernado Revolvers head, as he was arguing the point that “just because he was here illegally and driving drunk doesn’t mean that ALL those who are here illegally are bad drunk driving people”. Both points of view are perfectly correct, so why yell at each other about it. All they needed to do was agree that this was a tragedy and here are the reasons why.

It’s already more than obvious that most of our elected officials are no longer working “for the people” and even care much about upholding and enforcing the LAWS OF THE LAND…but instead they are pursuiung various idealogical agendas of of one sort or another, and the Nation will is doomed unless they are replaced by real Americans. And since that probably isn’t going to happen any time soon, we all get to just sit by and watch the Nation go down the garbage tube. Hell, if even the ELECTED officials won’t uphold the rule of law, why are we the least bit surprised that officials APPOINTED by them are “activist”???

NRA4Freedom on April 6, 2007 at 10:11 AM

Geraldo gave himself away at the end when he made it all about Latinos. The issue is ILLEGAL immigration, not latino immigration. It just so happens that we get the majority of our illegals from Mexico, but they’re not the only ones who come over here illegally.

Esthier on April 6, 2007 at 10:19 AM

Root Cause Analysis…The 5 Whys.
1.) Why did these girls die?
answer…Their injuries were severe.
2.) Why were their injuries severe?
answer…They were injured in a car crash.
3.) Why were they injured in a car crash?
answer…A drunk driver crashed into them.
4.) Why did a drunk driver crash into them?
answer…he was driving his car when he shouldn’t have been.
5.) Why was he driving his car when he shouldn’t have been?
answer…Because he was not stopped when he was discovered here illegally before.
GR is trying to argue that this should be looked at as just another drunk driving tragedy. What he misses is we have to look at each one of these individually. What was the root cause of this specific event? Answer…This drunk driver was knowingly breaking laws of this country. And the officials that we entrust to ensure these laws are followed decided to look the other way. Not only is the driver responsible, so are these officials that ignore this problem.

hoosierken on April 6, 2007 at 10:20 AM

From the background article:

Alfredo Ramos – an illegal immigrant accused of killing two teens in a car crash Friday – had previous convictions in Virginia Beach and Chesapeake, but his crimes weren’t serious enough to lead to deportation.

…Including the crime of crossing the border illegally? I thought just being here illegally was a crime worthy of being sent back. No? Disgraceful.

aero on April 6, 2007 at 10:25 AM

Bill’s right. So is his anger.

Halley on April 6, 2007 at 10:27 AM

“THIS IS REASON!”

AtomicAmish on April 6, 2007 at 10:31 AM

They both have a point atually. I think O’Reilly argued (literally) his case better but we need strong DUI laws and we need to control illegal immigration. Both are weak it seem in this part of Virginia and either one of them enforced properly might have saved these young girls lives.

Yakko77 on April 6, 2007 at 10:34 AM

The only thing that would make it better would have been simultaneous heart attacks followed by 30 seconds of shocked silence.

Nethicus on April 6, 2007 at 10:35 AM

Not that I wish death on these guys. But I was really expecting some sort of chest-clenching they were both so worked up.

Nethicus on April 6, 2007 at 10:36 AM

geraldo’s right.

jummy on April 6, 2007 at 10:40 AM

It’s Friday night — maybe they could cage fight or something fun like that?

wytammic on April 6, 2007 at 10:46 AM

“We lured them here…”

Geraldo managed to make it all our fault too, just like the good liberal of the 21st century.
DKK

LifeTrek on April 6, 2007 at 6:48 AM

Uncovered Borders.

Kid from Brooklyn on April 6, 2007 at 10:49 AM

Yesterday’s reaction to the Geraldo segment;

O’REILLY: Finally tonight, the mail. Tons of it about our report on the two teenagers killed by an illegal alien drunk driver in Virginia Beach, segment highly rated by billoreilly.com premium members. Can’t wait for the mail overnight about Geraldo.

Bob McCullough, Summerville, South Carolina. “If more people knew that Virginia Beach and other places were sanctuary cities, they wouldn’t spend tourist dollars there.”

We’ve listed the American sanctuary cities so everybody can check them out.

Lexie Martinez, Virginia Beach. “I am a frightened citizen here. What can I do to change the city’s policy.”

Recall the mayor, if she doesn’t campaign for a change madam, that’s the quickest way to send a message.

Elizabeth Bingham, Virginia Beach. “Mr. O’Reilly, I want to thank you for brining the senseless deaths of Allison and Tessa to the national forefront. I’ve witnessed the agony of their families. To know that they died because our government refused to protect them makes their deaths even more painful.”

Powerful letter, Elizabeth. I wish everyone saw things the way you see them.

M. Davis, Chesapeake, Virginia. “Bill, thank you for your reporting. My daughter recently received her learner’s permit to drive and it could have been her that was killed.”

And other Americans will be killed, madam, if these insane sanctuary policies don’t change.

Paul Salib, Norfolk, Virginia. “Bill, you really stirred things up on this one. What you said needed to be said but the local media is criticizing you.”

I’m used to that, sir. Many press people are in the tank these days but as I mentioned at least one columnist at the “Pilot” is doing an honest job.

Virginia Beach leaders strike back at Fox’s Bill O’Reilly

Va. Beach Mayor speaks out after getting blasted on national TV

Teen’s father: Debate is “disrespectful”

Terp Mole on April 6, 2007 at 10:52 AM

I did not watch this segment last night as I cannot stand Geldaldo and knew he would make me mad. I’m glad you posted it here where I can listen to it more dispassionately.

Geraldo is a disgrace. He does not belong on Fox News. His race baiting comments insult Fox viewers and his pompous arrogance is insufferable. Basically, his arguments are those of the most extreme Hispanic activitists who hate America and want to destroy it through mass illegal immigration destroying our culture.

Let Geraldo (and Rosie O’Donnell) go to MSNBC where he would be a perfect fit. BTW, it is hardly surprising that Geldaldo defended O’Donnell the last time he was on The Factor.

ptolemy on April 6, 2007 at 10:54 AM

I loved the close.

People shouldn’t be afraid of firey debate with a handshake at the end of it.

Malpaso on April 6, 2007 at 10:55 AM

Geraldo entirely misses the point. It doesn’t matter if illegal immigrants have a higher rate of drunk driving, armed robbery, or jaywalking. What does matter is that whenever one of those illegal aliens is detained by law-enforcement in conjunction with any of these infractions, the LEO should determine that hey, the fact this guy is even here is a crime!

Nobody (at least not BO’R or anyone here I can see) is saying that cops or vigilantes should randomly go to homes and check people’s citizenship/immigration status. What we are saying is that if you’re already suspected of having infringed some other law, it’s reasonable to expect the cop investigating you to notice that you’re also in violation of another, and take the appropriate action.

The Monster on April 6, 2007 at 11:01 AM

Rosie should go on there.

WisCon on April 6, 2007 at 11:02 AM

Geraldo is not only a looney-keft liberal he is teetering on the edge of being a bomb-throwing, anarchistic nihilist. Fox must have hired him using the Mafia axiom: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

That beng said I must admit, however, that I am highly suspicious of the “altercation” which had more the appearance of being a staged pto-wrestling bout than a true street fight.Despite their obvious political differences both O’Reilly and Rivera are attention-seeking hedonists with charismatic personalties who have enhanced the shows rating with their “perfornance”.

MaiDee on April 6, 2007 at 11:03 AM

Hay Bill O its better to reinforce your argument then raise your voice.

dread pirate roberts on April 6, 2007 at 11:06 AM

Contrast

Ramos guilty of murder/DUI – illegal alien – gains sympathy

with

Ramos (and Compean) – border patrol agents in prison for controlling borders so illegals like the first Ramos don’t have the misguided opportunity to slaughter our kids.

“Lured them here”, Geraldo? By this logic, we should iinstead provide convincing disincentives, which of course Geraldo would immediately deem racist.

Yes, Geraldo, O’Reilly is correct – you ARE advocating anarchy.

heroyalwhyness on April 6, 2007 at 11:07 AM

So they both pretty much look like idiots with no self-control but at least they made nice at the end. Do you you think this was planned to grab attention?

Anyway, regardless of your stance on immigration and what we should do with the illegals here, this is a drunk driving story, not an immigration story. I agree that this guy should have been deported after his first arrest and if he was this wouldn’t have happened. But you could make a similar statement about every American citizen with a history of drunk driving who kills someone behind the wheel; if we would have locked him up or taken away his license after his first arrest those people would still be alive.

Yes, illegal immigrants are breaking the law and yes if they are arrested they should be deported. But using this guy’s actions to demonize all illegals is unfair and wrong. Bottom line is his citizenship status had absolutely nothing to do with these girls death’s, his drinking and driving was 100% responsible for killing them. If he had a green card or had just passed his citizenship test they would still be dead; however if he had simply taken a cab or not been drunk they would still be alive.

JaHerer22 on April 6, 2007 at 11:08 AM

The reason people go bonkers over Illegal immigration is because some people were raised to know the difference between right and wrong. You disobey the law, you get punished…no conversation, no argment , no nothing.
Geralodoand all the other hispanic media,(Chavez,Navarette et a) are beginning to look like their allegiance is more to La Raza than the US of A!!
There were six deaths due to illegal aliens in the last week alone…That is shameful, and if it were my relative killed I would be seated in front of the White House demanding that useless El presidente finally do the right thing and SECURE the friggin border!! He should be impeached !!!

Mellen on April 6, 2007 at 11:19 AM

O’Reilly’s 100% right. Geraldo’s dead wrong.

My sister and her five year old son were killed by a drunk driver. Leniency in the justice system and sympathetic losers like Rivera are the reason innocent people end up being killed. A couple thousand pounds of steel moving uncontrollably at high speed is a more deadly weapon than any handgun. The surviving relatives of these victims suffer too. The pain doesn’t end after the funeral. The loss and heartache lasts a lifetime.

F**k Geraldo.

fogw on April 6, 2007 at 11:21 AM

Without the rule of law, a society will break down.

If we do not enforce our own laws, we are doomed.

We need a LAW AND ORDER candidate.

Hmmm….. Fred… ya listening??? FIX THIS!!!

Romeo13 on April 6, 2007 at 11:22 AM

Geraldo Rivera is a Latino racist. Like many Hispanics, he believes that his race is superior to all others and illegal immigration is justified because the Southwest was stolen from Mexico.

He labels patriotic Americans vigilantes and compares them to KKK members in his diatribes about Illegal Immigration. There is no illegality that Latinos commit that cannot be rationalized in Geraldo’s world view when it comes to his own race violating our immigration laws. Rivera is a reconquesta of the La Raza Mecha mentality. In his own words, he illustrates that “his” people are justified in breaking our laws to return to their homeland. It is the same crap that the La Raza, reconquesta, crowd believe and spew on their racist Aztlan websites.

The last time he was on the Factor, he blew up and said the GOP was responsible for the rise of Hugo Chavez. There is a good review of his racist behavior over at NewsBusters.org where he showed his true colors the last time he was on the Factor.
Rivera is a reconquesta of the La Raza Mecha mentality. In his own words, he illustrates that “his” people are justified in breaking our laws to return to their homeland. It is the same crap that the La Raza, reconquesta, crowd believe and spew on their racist Aztlan websites.
Geraldo stated:
Until the mid-19th Century most of the American Southwest was Mexico. Since the conquest of Texas in 1836, and the treaty that forced Mexico in 1848 to cede the Southwest and then added insult to injury by imposing the Gadsden, Arizona purchase of 1853, generations of Mexican citizens have been allowed back into their former territory whenever we needed their sweat and toil. We have spent a Century and a half winking and nodding at undocumented seasonal workers who risk everything to cross illegally just to get a job to feed their families.”

And here, he justifies or rationalizes their illegal behavior because ;
“Isn’t it reasonable to think that residents of Mexico might hold some affection and nostalgia for their lost North America Empire, especially if part of their family still resides on this side of the modern line? Haven’t Native Americans in recent decades experienced some small amount of belated justice?”

Illegal Aliens from Mexico commit drunk driving far more often than legal citizens. Because of sanctuary policies like special order 40 in Los Angeles, we are not prosecuting and deporting them. The facts are clear that they are killing Americans at an alarming rate.

I cannot believe that FoxNews allows Geraldo Rivera a platform to spread his racist propaganda with impunity. Every time he discusses this issue with Bill O’Reilly he is allowed to make racist accusations against anyone that just wants our immigration laws enforced.

If a white man went on the air and did the same thing, he would be fired and labeled a racist in a New York minute.

ScottyDog on April 6, 2007 at 11:24 AM

Those excusing this as a one shot deal ….I beg to differ!
Just a few “days” in George Bush,John McCain and and Ted Kennedys America!!!

Illegal?…………. YOU bet cha!!!!

• •
Suspect in crash that killed 2 had alcohol-related convictions [4/3/07]
Below, Tessa Tranchant, 16, left, and Allison Kunhardt, 17, were killed late Friday, evidently by a drunk-driving illegal alien.
According to grieving father Ray Tranchant, his daughter Tessa and her best friend Allison Kunhardt, “were just sitting at the light, strapped in their seat belts. They were just doing what they were supposed to be doing.”
But obeying the law is not enough protection any more, since drunk-driving illegal aliens are making the roads a far more hazardous place. The accused, illegal alien Alfredo Ramos, was apparently so blotto that he doesn’t even remember the accident.

Afterward, [Ramos] told him he had no memory of the crash. He learned from authorities that he had killed two people, his brother said.
Ramos, who was born in Mexico of Guatemalan parents, has been in the United States for about seven years.
Ramos had a prior DUI conviction in Chesapeake this year, so if Rep. Sue Myrick’s Scott Gardner Act had been law, he would have been immediately deported for being a drunk-driving illegal alien. The legislation, originally written in 2005, has been resubmitted in this Congress as HR 1355.
See http://www.VDARE.com version here.
• • •

Spring Break Turns Deadly Because of Illegal Alien

[Brenda Walker] @ 4:30 pm [Email author] [Email This Article] [Print This Article]
According to his parents, college student Andrew Stear was excited about spring break in Florida with about 20 friends who caravanned from Missouri. He was studying business at St. Charles County Community College.

But the fun ended when Andrew was struck down crossing the street by an illegal alien driving a stolen van. The driver, Hugo Rodriguez Colindrez, tried to escape the crime scene but was forced off the road by another motorist who witnessed the incident.

Colindrez reportedly worked in construction on a condo project on Panama City Beach. Police believe he was driving drunk, but the blood tests are not yet available.

Andrew was only 21, but had made a big impression on those who knew him.

Co-workers remembered him as energetic, fun-loving and a good friend.

“He’s the type of person who would do anything for anyone without being asked,” said Dave Hinman, who manages an O’Fallon QuikTrip and owns a sporting goods store where Stear worked.

Hinman said Stear’s caring personality extended outside the workplace too. He volunteered at No Hunger Holiday, an annual program to provide food to needy residents at Thanksgiving.
[Student on vacation killed in hit-and-run, St. Louis Post Dispatch 3/30/07]

One tiny bit of hope to bring this unnecessary road carnage to an end is the Scott Gardner Act, which has been reintroduced as HR 1355. The bill would require rapid deportation of any illegal immigrant convicted of drunk driving.

Suspect in fatal crash had 3 DWI convictions
Thursday, March 29 @ 13:22:59 UTC by lsmith1338 (731 reads)

Before being charged with killing a Porter woman and her pregnant daughter in a crash Sunday, Ignacio Gomez-Gutierrez had been convicted three times for drunken driving in Harris County, court records show.

His third DWI arrest, which would normally become a felony, was reduced to a misdemeanor, a move the mayor’s crime victims advocate calls a “pivotal moment” that ultimately led to the deaths of Maria Ortiz, 49, and her 18-year-old daughter, Vanessa, who was five months pregnant.

Records also show Gomez-Gutierrez, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, was never deported after serving his time in jail in 2002, 2004 and 2005.

The victims’ family members and others say Gomez-Gutierrez should never have been back on the road in the first place.

Immigration attorneys advising clients to avoid driving
Thursday, March 29 @

Hispanic DWIs rooted in immigrants’ culture
Lifestyle, isolation figure in driving drunk

Eliseo Hernandez, 54, bathes his son, Diego Hernandez-Morris, 5, every evening at a care center in Greenville. Diego was nearly killed last year in a crash caused by a driver accused of drinking.
Staff Photos by Corey Lowenstein

Last 7 days

Hispanic DWIs rooted in immigrants’ culture

Marti Maguire and Kristin Collins, Staff Writers
When Eliseo Hernandez came to the United States 30 years ago, he thought he drove better after a few beers. Driving drunk had been normal back in Mexico, he said. But Hernandez, 54, learned of its perils firsthand. He quit the practice after falling asleep at the wheel and hitting a tree 18 years ago.
Then, last year, a young Hispanic man who authorities say was drunk nearly killed Hernandez’s only son, Diego, in a crash on a rural Johnston County road. Eliseo Hernandez’s daughter, who was nine months pregnant, lost her unborn child in the accident.

Hernandez has spent the past year following Diego through four hospitals and 14 brain surgeries. Diego only recently began to smile again and might never walk.

Hernandez said he hopes his painful journey will teach his friends and family a lesson. Car accidents are the top killer of Hispanics in North Carolina, and the disproportionate number of alcohol-related arrests and wrecks are an embarrassment to a minority already beleaguered by hard feelings over illegal immigration.

“It makes the Mexicans look bad, very bad,” Hernandez said. “The American people say ‘Oh, it’s just another Hispanic, the same as the others.’ ”

In 2005, there were 37 alcohol-related crashes caused by Hispanic drivers for every 10,000 Hispanics in the state, according to the UNC Highway Safety Research Center. That is more than three times the rate of alcohol-related crashes among non-Hispanics.

Carnage continues
Last month, a Johnston County father and son died in a fiery crash authorities say was caused by Luciano Tellez, 31, an illegal immigrant from Mexico. Dwane Braswell, 35, and his son Jerry, 9, were riding in a tractor-trailer cab on N.C. 210 in the Cleveland community of Johnston County when Tellez struck the tractor and rolled it into a ditch, where it caught fire.

Empty beer cans were found in Tellez’ car, but authorities say it is impossible to know whether he was drunk.

It was the latest in a string of such accidents caused by Hispanic men. In February in Salisbury, a woman who was eight months pregnant and her unborn child were killed. In October, it was two college students and a high school boy. In January 2006, a man from El Salvador killed a Hillsborough woman in a head-on crash and fled, leaving an injured passenger in his own car.

Researchers say drunken driving among Hispanics is at least partially explained by demographics. As in many places where immigration is fairly recent, the Hispanic population in North Carolina is young and dominated by men — both factors that make them statistically more likely to drive drunk.

Men in their 20s and 30s made up more than half the people charged with DWI statewide in the year ending last July. Nearly 40 percent of North Carolina Hispanics were 21- to 39-year-old men in 2005, according to census estimates. This same age range accounted for only 18 percent of blacks and 16 percent of whites.

taff writer Marti Maguire can be reached at 829-4841 or mmaguire@newsobserver.com.
Database manager David Raynor contributed to this report.

Illegal Immigrant In Custody After Weekend Accident
KOTV – 3/26/2007 5:08 PM – Updated 3/27/2007 1:12 PM
A 2-year-old is not expected to live after Tulsa Police say a drunk driver ran a red light and slammed into the SUV he was riding in. The News On 6’s Heather Lewin reports investigators are calling the accident another example of what they’re seeing all too often on Tulsa streets, drunk drivers, with no license or insurance that are in this country illegally.

“We see that on a routine basis,” said Tulsa Police Sergeant Rick Bondy.

Tulsa Police arrested 34-year-old Jose Juan Lopez at the scene Saturday. Officers say Lopez ran a red light at 36th Street North and Lewis Avenue and crashed his Ford Explorer into a Chevy Suburban that was driving through the intersection.

The Tulsa County jail says Jose Lopez was able to bond out of jail over the weekend.

Monday, federal authorities announced that they were looking for Lopez. That evening, Lopez was picked up at an Owasso business and is now being held by immigration officials in Oklahoma City.

“Because they’re unlicensed and uninsured, that’s a concern to anyone in a collision with them,” said Bondy.

Sergeant Bondy says people in the country illegally usually don’t have the legal paperwork to drive. It’s a problem for local police because TPD supervisors say officers are caught between city jurisdiction and federal law. Officers can arrest someone suspected of a crime, and if they think the person is here illegally they call immigration, but unless the charges are very serious, or the government requests a hold on the person, the suspect can post bond and be released, which is what Lopez did.

“And for all practical purposes, they’re treated like anybody else,” Bondy said.

Meanwhile, Tulsa Police say it wasn’t just the actions of the illegal driver that may cost the boy his life. The 2-year-old was not strapped into a car seat or safety belt, said officers. In fact, police say no one in the car that was hit was wearing a seatbelt.

“Why, I mean it takes two seconds to buckle somebody in or put them in a car seat, and you don’t have to go through intensive care or critical injuries,” Bondy said.

‘Christmas Story’ Director Dies in Crash
By JEREMIAH MARQUEZ, Associated Press Writer
1 hour ago

LOS ANGELES – Film director Robert Clark, best known for the beloved holiday classic “A Christmas Story,” was killed with his son Wednesday in a car wreck, the filmmaker’s assistant and police said.

Clark, 67, and son Ariel Hanrath-Clark, 22, were killed in the accident in Pacific Palisades, said Lyne Leavy, Clark’s personal assistant.

The two men were in an Infiniti that collided head-on with a GMC Yukon around 2:30 a.m. PST, said Lt. Paul Vernon, a police spokesman. The driver of the other car was under the influence of alcohol and was driving without a license, Vernon said.

The driver, Hector Velazquez-Nava, 24, of Los Angeles, remained hospitalized and will be booked for investigation of gross vehicular manslaughter after being treated, Vernon said. A female passenger in his car also was taken to the hospital with minor injuries and released, police said.

Just a few days in the Safe, secure world created by George Bush and Ted Kennedy!!!

Mellen on April 6, 2007 at 11:26 AM

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