Video: O’Reilly, Geraldo go berserk over illegal alien drunk driver

posted at 1:38 am on April 6, 2007 by Allahpundit

Nothing I can say will properly prepare you for it so I won’t even try.

Here’s the background.

Here are the appetite-whetting screencaps:

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And here’s the clip. I feel like Max in “Rushmore” scribbling in my hymnal, “BEST NEWS CHAT SEGMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN.”


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No, they’re not. What they are, is too easy to shift their economic burden off of the employers and onto other areas such as education and healthcare who have no choice but to pay for them with tax dollars.

The employers are reaping huge individual benefits from their presence at the expense of the economy as a whole.

James on April 9, 2007 at 11:01 AM

That’s the “net” part of “net benefit”. Yes there are economic burdens as you state, but they are less than the positives that accrue to the employers.

honora on April 9, 2007 at 11:54 AM

JANE’S THIGHS ARE SWEATING…this is PURE POLITICAL PORN.

seejanemom on April 9, 2007 at 12:20 PM

That’s the “net” part of “net benefit”. Yes there are economic burdens as you state, but they are less than the positives that accrue to the employers.

honora on April 9, 2007 at 11:54 AM

To my knowledge, nobody has ever done a study proving this one way or another, but consider that in addition to their burden on our taxes, they export a lot of our currency. That’s a net loss to the economy.

As an aside, how much do you like it that your taxes are subsidizing the profits of corporations?

James on April 9, 2007 at 2:03 PM

Geraldo keeps arguing it is no illegal alien’s fault because “we lured them here.” Right. And the rapist should walk because the girl was wearing a tight skirt and was asking for it.

laelaps on April 6, 2007 at 4:25 AM

…and Bill Clinton rejoices at the change…

Tim Burton on April 9, 2007 at 3:38 PM

2) Latinos do have a higher drunk driving rate than other ethnic groups. That tends to be the subtext in these endless shoulda-been-deported-on-a-prior/drunk-driving-fatality-horror-anecdotes that pseudo-immigration hawks like O’Reilly love to cite for some reason, but they can’t bring themselves to get to the uncomfortable part of it.

Alex K on April 6, 2007 at 2:11 AM

Really? I thought American Indians did…Or it could just be the fact that Gallup, NM leads the nation in drunk driving many years.

Tim Burton on April 9, 2007 at 4:09 PM

I am very much opposed to illegal immigration. However, let’s keep within the bounds of truth: illegals are a net positive benefit for the economybusinesses.

Why do you think it’s not been stopped? It’s always instructive in these situations to ask yourself, who benefits?

honora on April 9, 2007 at 10:25 AM

Minor correction.

voiceofreason on April 9, 2007 at 10:02 PM

To my knowledge, nobody has ever done a study proving this one way or another, but consider that in addition to their burden on our taxes, they export a lot of our currency. That’s a net loss to the economy.

As an aside, how much do you like it that your taxes are subsidizing the profits of corporations?

James on April 9, 2007 at 2:03 PM

Not one damn bit. Here is my position: fine employers serious money and make them criminally liable. No work, no illegal immigration. Except for drug and terror issues, which are completely different issues–in this case, shoot them.

Having said that, if we are going to take advantage of (aka exploit) illegals for cheap labor–which benefits all of us (you buy product and stay in hotels and have a cleaning lady and garden help which most of us do, then you are benefiting) then you need to provide basic services. I do not support my country becoming one big sweat shop.

As usual, we want it both ways–we want the cheap goods and services and we want to bitch and moan about illegal immigration. Sorry. Choose a side.

honora on April 10, 2007 at 8:47 AM

Honora

There have been numerous studies proving that you are wrong about the net positive effect of Illegal Immigration.

I would be willing to bet you do not live in a border state. Here in California 86 hospitals have been closed down because of Illegals using the ER as their Doctors office.

LAUSD has a 70% non graduation rate for its pupils.

10 billion a year is spent on Illegals welfare for things like medical and free child birthing.

They do not make enough to pay taxes in their lifetime to pay for all the social services.

I could cite the links but you are so naive about this issue that it is hopeless to try and inform you.

Where are you coming up with we want cheap labor and want illegals to do the work? Only the elite are pushing this nonsense.

ScottyDog on April 10, 2007 at 9:57 AM

Honora

There have been numerous studies proving that you are wrong about the net positive effect of Illegal Immigration.

Can you site one (one not sponsored by a group with an agenda preferably)? Oh wait, I’m too naive to appreciate any links. Perhaps you could find one with pictures and no big words?

I am sure that border states bear a disporportionate share of the burden (duh) but again, look at the aggregate effect.

honora on April 10, 2007 at 10:19 AM

If low-skill workers were key to economic growth, Mexico would be an economic powerhouse, and impoverished Americans would be slipping south over the Rio Grande. The National Research Council reports that an immigrant to the U.S. without a high-school diploma — whether legal or illegal — consumes $89,000 more in governmental services than he pays in taxes during his lifetime. An immigrant with only a high-school diploma is a net cost of $31,000. Eighty percent of illegal immigrants have no more than a high-school degree, and 60% have less than a high-school degree.

“Steve Camarota of the Washin gton, D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies estimates that illegal immigrants cost the federal government $10 billion a year. State and local governments lose even more. Illegals pay some taxes, but not enough to cover governmental expenses like Medicaid and treatment for the uninsured… Whatever benefit illegals provide to the economy in general must be minuscule. All workers without a high-school education — illegal and otherwise — account for only 3% of economic output. Even if illegal immigrants were dominant in low-skill industries, their broader impact would be small. But they aren’t dominant, and that includes job categories associated with immigrants. Nearly 60% of cabdrivers are native-born. In only four of 473 job classifications are immigrants a majority of the workers.”

ScottyDog on April 10, 2007 at 11:20 AM

See http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584

Yet undocumented immigrants are barred from almost all government benefits, including food stamps, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, federal housing programs, Supplemental Security Income, Unemployment Insurance, Social Security, Medicare, and the earned income tax credit (EITC). Generally, the only benefits federally required for undocumented immigrants are emergency medical care, subject to financial and category eligibility, and elementary and secondary public education. Many undocumented immigrants will not even access these few critical government services because of their ever-present fear of government officials and deportation.
Eighty-five percent of eminent economists surveyed have concluded that undocumented immigrants have had a positive (seventy-four percent) or neutral (eleven percent) impact on the U.S. economy.

The Center for Immigration Studies has a definite agenda as I am sure you know. I largely agree with that agenda. But that doesn’t mean I agree with everything they say.

honora on April 10, 2007 at 1:05 PM

The Center for Immigration Studies has a definite agenda as I am sure you know. I largely agree with that agenda. But that doesn’t mean I agree with everything they say.

honora on April 10, 2007 at 1:05 PM

What planet are you living on? The article you linked me to is a well known author that advocates for Illegal immigrant rights and open borders.

Just like Geraldo Mecha Boy Rivera, you try and refute facts by claiming the researcher has an agenda. This is the same tactic the man made Global Warming crowd uses to debate the Global Warming hoax.

Maybe if you lived in a city like Los Angeles you would see the way Illegals exploit the taxpayers and do receive the benefits you say are not given to Illegals. Everything from translators for their school children to WIC and food stamps are being used by Illegals in California.

Eighty-five percent of eminent economists surveyed have concluded that undocumented immigrants have had a positive (seventy-four percent) or neutral (eleven percent) impact on the U.S. economy.

Eminent economists? Who decides who is eminent?

Here is a study that has not been refuted and is based on good old factual numbers by Robert Rector.

I am stunned that you are so ignorant about Illegal
Immigration so here are a few facts to keep in mind when you spew the open borders crowd propaganda:

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigration 62% of all “undocumented immigrants” in the United States are working for cash and not paying taxes, predominantly illegal aliens, working without a green card;

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens;

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens;

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens;

75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Albuquerque are illegal aliens;

More than 380,000 “anchor babies” were born in the United States in 2005 were to parents who are illegal aliens; making those 380,000 babies automatically U.S. citizens.

97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayer;

More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers;

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally;

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally;

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally;

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually;

More than 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages;

More than 53% of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens;

More than half of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border;

More than 43% of all Food Stamps issued are to illegal aliens;

More than 41% of all unemployment checks issued in the United States are to illegal aliens;

58% of all Welfare payments in the United States are issued to illegal aliens;

Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties in the United States are illegal aliens;

14 out of 31 TV stations in L.A. are Spanish-only;

16 out of 28 TV stations in Phoenix are Spanish-only;

15 out of 24 TV stations in Alburquerque are Spanish-only;

21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish-only;

17 radio stations in Phoenix are Spanish-only;

17 radio stations in Albuquerque are Spanish-only;

More than 34% of Arizona students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens;

More than 24% of Arizona students in grades 1-12 are non-English-speaking;

More than 39% of California students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens;

More than 42% of California students in grades 1-12 are non-English-speaking;

In Los Angeles County, 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish;

More than 71% of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by illegal aliens or transport “coyotes”;

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens;

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens;

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66%, 98% are illegal aliens;

Less than 2% of illegal aliens in the United States are picking crops , but 41% are on welfare;

Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration;

The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University];

The estimated profit to U.S. corporations and businesses employing illegal aliens in 2005 was more than $2.36 TRILLION dollars;

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican illegal alien is $55, 000.00 cost to the American taxpayer in a 5-year span. You, personally, are giving $11,000 every year to illegal aliens.

ScottyDog on April 10, 2007 at 2:01 PM

I am stunned that you are so ignorant about Illegal
Immigration so here are a few facts to keep in mind when you spew the open borders crowd propaganda:

I am stunned you selectively read what I post. I am for strong borders and strong immigration law enforcement. That doesn’t mean I swallow all the propaganda from places like the Center for Imm Studies whole. And please, calling me ignorant after blindly accepting this piece of “data”:

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican illegal alien is $55, 000.00 cost to the American taxpayer in a 5-year span. You, personally, are giving $11,000 every year to illegal aliens

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Big news bucky: the average HH income in the US is about $45,000. Forget that means more than one worker per HH. You’re saying the average HH pays $11,000 every year to support illegal aliens??? Dear God, think about what you read before you cut and paste!! How can you not see immediately that this is grossly, wildly inaccurate.

And I’m supposed to take you seriously? LOL

honora on April 10, 2007 at 2:19 PM

Yet undocumented immigrants are barred from almost all government benefits…

Just like they’re barred from being here, and we all know how well that works.

James on April 10, 2007 at 2:41 PM

Big news bucky: the average HH income in the US is about $45,000. Forget that means more than one worker per HH. You’re saying the average HH pays $11,000 every year to support illegal aliens??? Dear God, think about what you read before you cut and paste!! How can you not see immediately that this is grossly, wildly inaccurate.

And I’m supposed to take you seriously? LOL

honora on April 10, 2007 at 2:19 PM

If you can’t figure out the $11,000 is what it costs the federal government for each Illegal Alien expressed as an average compiled to illustrate what each individual person would pay, then I cannot help you. This is how statistics often portray the cost of programs imposed on the American people even though many Americans do not pay income taxes.

I am stunned you selectively read what I post. I am for strong borders and strong immigration law enforcement. That doesn’t mean I swallow all the propaganda from places like the Center for Imm Studies whole.

If you truly are against Illegal Immigration then why do you constantly argue for Illegal Aliens on this Forum and link to obvious propaganda? You cannot have it both ways.

American Heritage Dictionary defines Ignorant as:

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

I think I used the word correctly about your knowledge on Illegal Immigration.

ScottyDog on April 10, 2007 at 3:53 PM

If you can’t figure out the $11,000 is what it costs the federal government for each Illegal Alien expressed as an average compiled to illustrate what each individual person would pay, then I cannot help you. This is how statistics often portray the cost of programs imposed on the American people even though many Americans do not pay income taxes.

Right. So let’s assume 250,000,000 Americans over 18. Let’s assume an average of $11,000 per year as you claim.
This comes to $2,750,000,000,000.
The total budget outlay of the feds last year was
$2,292,000,000,000.

You’re right, this is bad. LOL.

honora on April 10, 2007 at 4:05 PM

If you truly are against Illegal Immigration then why do you constantly argue for Illegal Aliens on this Forum and link to obvious propaganda? You cannot have it both ways.

Well we know math is not your forte. How about logic?

Honora is against illegal immigration.
Honora states that illegal immigration is not a net loss for the economy of the country.

Are these statements compatible? Why or why not. Hand in your booklets to the TA.

honora on April 10, 2007 at 4:07 PM

Correction: last yr fed outlay was $2,568 billion not $2,292. Nonetheless.

honora on April 10, 2007 at 4:15 PM

It is really hard trying to debate someone so naive and pig headed that they cannot read.

Are you trying to tell me that there are 250 million taxpayors in the USA?

Not only are you naive you are ignorant. If you had read the links instead of just arguing the talking points you would have had your answers on a silver platter.Instead you go on with your attacks as usual.

That is why I did not provide the links in the first place.

ScottyDog on April 10, 2007 at 8:27 PM

It is really hard trying to debate someone so naive and pig headed that they cannot read.

Are you trying to tell me that there are 250 million taxpayors in the USA?

Not only are you naive you are ignorant. If you had read the links instead of just arguing the talking points you would have had your answers on a silver platter.Instead you go on with your attacks as usual.

That is why I did not provide the links in the first place.

ScottyDog on April 10, 2007 at 8:27 PM

OK, gloves off. You are a dunce. I assume you are so enraged by this because illegals primarily hurt low income Americans which you clearly are.

YOU are the one who made the statement that the $11,000 figure was an average of what each American would pay even though not all Americans do pay taxes. See? Your quote:

expressed as an average compiled to illustrate what each individual person would pay, then I cannot help you. This is how statistics often portray the cost of programs imposed on the American people even though many Americans do not pay income taxes.

You are not only ill-educated, you are too vulgar to admit your mistake. You are way out of your league sonny.

honora on April 11, 2007 at 8:57 AM

O

K, gloves off. You are a dunce. I assume you are so enraged by this because illegals primarily hurt low income Americans which you clearly are.

That is pretty funny, low income American. ROTFL I am retired and living on the back nine that has two PGA Golf courses.

Just keep justifying slave labor and go ahead and call me some more names.

You are making all my arguments for me.

BTW-Take the numbers I presented up with Robert Rector, you know the “cut and Paste” from the heritage foundation.

OK, gloves off. You are a dunce. I assume you are so enraged by this because illegals primarily hurt low income Americans which you clearly are.

No actually illegal immigration hurts everyone because our Government refuses to enforce the laws of our country. This is called Tyranny and no amount of rationalization will make slave labor OK.

I have numerous friends that are unemployed because of Illegals invading our country that used to make in excess of 100k a year in the trades. If that is low income to you, then I think you should check into the Betty Ford Clinic.

My next door neighbor was just replaced by an Indian programmer on a H1B Visa at Microsoft. He was making 160k plus bonuses.He was asked to train his new assistant. When the guy was up to speed they fired him and told him the assistant was taking his job.

You are so naive about what is happening in this country that I am stunned that you cannot see it.

ScottyDog on April 11, 2007 at 3:41 PM

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