Rudy-bashing starting to get annoying
posted at 7:17 pm on April 6, 2007 by Allahpundit
Ace thinks it got annoying a few days ago when people objected to Rudy saying he supports public funding of abortion but only in cases of rape, incest, or where the life of the mother is threatened, i.e., the current state of the law. After all, every other Republican candidate holds the same position in practice insofar as they’re not agitating to repeal the Hyde Amendment. The problem is, Rudy didn’t mention the current-state-of-the-law caveat during the CNN interview when he had the chance. It was an afterthought, submitted by his campaign to CNN later in the day as a gloss, after the uproar had started, to do damage control. So yeah, it’s good that they climbed down, not so good that Rudy himself didn’t think to issue this rather important qualifier during the interview if it’s so crucial to his thinking. Those sorts of squishy slips land Romney and McCain in hot water all the time as a supposed window into their true liberal-ish mindset. Why should Rudy be immune?
Also, on an issue this morally charged, there’s a big difference between a candidate who supports a law because he agrees with it philosophically versus one who tolerates it because he can’t get it overturned or because, for whatever cynical reason, it’s politically expedient for him to do so. Ace himself made this point the other day — that Rudy has to tack right on some issues, even if it hurts his image as an unbendable man of his word, simply to show the base that he’s one of them (or close enough to being one of them to earn their vote). Reversing himself on public funding of abortion would have been an easy place to do it: it would dilute the poison of his pro-choice position, hint to fiscal conservatives that he’s thinking about government spending, and bring him in line with every other Republican candidate on this issue. Instead he chose to needlessly distinguish himself as the only man in the field who’d keep the Hyde Amendment even if Congress presented him with a bill to get rid it. If I’m a social con, that tells me a lot about his moral commitment to abortion, notwithstanding the lip service he pays to abhorring the practice. Frum makes a nice counterpoint in that regard, but he’s simply ignoring the reality of how people approach this issue. They want to know they’re voting for a good man, and for many of them pro-choice = not good.
So no, I don’t think the abortion criticism is stupid. But that’s the old criticism; the new criticism is trending stupid indeed, ranging from the somewhat silly and mildly grating to the hopelessly moronic and irritating. Maybe it’s backlash to the good press he’s been getting or maybe it’s a way of trying to take the front-runner down a peg or two, but look. Re: the Godfather impression, no one’s done more in modern America to rehabilitate Italians from their mafia association than Giuliani has. Before his surname became a synonym for law and order in NYC, he was famous for indicting every dirtbag don he could get his hands on. As such, and as a member of the, ahem, “Italian-American” community myself, I invite any fellow members who question his standing as a “good Italian” to kindly get bent. As for Matt Lewis’s Townhall post, I don’t read anything in the Politico story that makes me think Giuliani’s “blaming” bloggers for his troubles. For one thing, he didn’t limit what he said to bloggers — he mentioned the “instant news atmosphere,” which encompasses 24/7 cable news coverage too. For another, he’s simply recognizing a fact of political life now: bloggers need content, they’re watching the candidates constantly, and so every verbal crumb that falls from his lips is apt to be scrutinized to the point of pulverization — a phenomenon of which, ironically, Lewis’s post is a good example. It’s not our fault that he occasionally gives us material, and I don’t hear him saying that it is.
Anyway, maybe he needs to do what the pros do after they’ve had a rough week: call in reinforcements and go on vacation. Or better yet, do what the editorial board of the New York Sun evidently does: start sniffing glue.
Update: I made this point to Ace via IM yesterday, but he thought it was too legalistic. Maybe so; like I said, this is a moral issue for most voters, not a constitutional one. Nevertheless, I agree with the Influence Peddler:
There is conflict among his statements here. He wants to provide funds where they’re needed ‘to guarantee a constitutional right.’ He also wants to keep the Hyde amendment as is. But the Hyde amendment doesn’t provide funds for those who can’t otherwise afford an abortion. It allows states to offer funds in the cases of rape, incest, or the life of the mother. So Giuliani was either talking about some new use of federal dollars outside the Hyde amendment, or he misspoke – or was confused about the particulars – as I was.
I don’t think he cares about the limitations of the Hyde Amendment at all. His logic is simple: women have a constitutional right to abort, therefore funds should be available to help women exercise it. The scope of the funding matches the scope of the right, which conveniently takes the whole matter of his hands politically and commits to constitutional granite. The problem is, the rape/incest/life of the mother exception is a statutory limit; it’s not part of the Court’s constitutional jurisprudence on the scope of the right itself. So what is he talking about?









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Whoa. AP wrote like a straight up editorial piece. Nice.
Wait up, you’re not Jewish?
Regarding Rudy bashing, I feel a little sheepish for not taking into account the Hyde amendment aspect of Rudy’s position, but I still stand by my appraisal that his intransigence on the issue is poison for his chances in the general. The longer he thinks he can rise above the petty squabbles in the party regarding abortion, the more he’ll be encouraging a third party torpedo. He needs to check his pride at the door and realize he’s not coated in Teflon.
spmat on April 6, 2007 at 7:31 PM
You didn’t think I had it in me?
Allahpundit on April 6, 2007 at 7:33 PM
File under Hoo, Boo Freakin’.
As Matt Lewis said at the end of his post, politics is tough – get a helmet.
This is a mess of Rudy’s own making, he can deal with a fallout just like every other presidential candidate would have to do. Besides, you don’t seem to have a problem when the bashing is done against McVain, Mitt, Tancredo, et al., and on the latter you lead the charge. So as you asked in your own post, why should Rudy be immune?
thirteen28 on April 6, 2007 at 7:35 PM
Giuliani is bald.
frankj on April 6, 2007 at 7:35 PM
Well we wouldn’t have to worry about foreign policy if Cheney was president. Everybody else is scared to death of him. :P
djohn669 on April 6, 2007 at 7:36 PM
Yeah, the Godfather thing is stupid. The guy is mafiosi enemy number 1.
The abortion thing was his own doing by clumsy handling, but some people obviously are focused on him, and will take excessive action to hurt his campaign.
Bad Candy on April 6, 2007 at 7:40 PM
WTF? I get a ‘lost connection’ when I post…weird.
Bad Candy on April 6, 2007 at 7:42 PM
Nah, I know you did. It’s just rare for snipers to reveal their positions.
spmat on April 6, 2007 at 7:42 PM
I’ll bet a lot of the recent criticism is a little pre-emptive tenderizing by prospective Fred supporters to ease his entry into the field, when and if he decides to make an announcement.
Mark V. on April 6, 2007 at 7:45 PM
Good piece Allah. Myself, I just can’t get excited about Rudy as a candidate. If he gets the nomination, of course I’ll vote for him. I’m still hoping Jeb will jump in.
Zorro on April 6, 2007 at 7:48 PM
Beauty of a post AP. With my leanings, Rudy’s my pick so far.
I’ll differ on one point. I think it takes a far right social con to object to abortion when a mother’s life is at stake (and I know some who argue the incest angle even). Does it matter if she’s poor and her Medicaid pays for it? Not in the least. The Hyde amendment is, at it’s core, a responsible mandate.
SouthernDem on April 6, 2007 at 7:56 PM
Mitt Romney’s hair > Giuliani
Details tonight on the Fox Report
brak on April 6, 2007 at 7:57 PM
He’ll only be immune unless (I hope it’s not “until”) he gets the nomination. Then, as McCain has suddenly discovered much to his chagrin, the presstitutes will move to pimping the candidate that’s even further to the left.
steveegg on April 6, 2007 at 8:02 PM
As a fellow member, I second that invitation. Also, even if he was attacking bloggers, that doesn’t mean the Conservative ones. Does anyone here care if he goes after Kos Kids?
Maybe I’m just cynical, but I’m not seeing a Cheney or Bush presidency following this one.
amerpundit on April 6, 2007 at 8:03 PM
I happened to watch Rudy on CNN. He struck me as trying to state his position in an unvarnished fashion. The interviewer pushed him, “what about this code phrase? … what about that subtlety? … etc.” It seemed to me he was doing his best to lay it out there, and cut off any “ah, but he failed to distance himself from code word X.”
Whatever was said later about the Hyde Amendment, I don’t fully get. But … if the Hyde Amendnt had come in that interview, I feel certain he would have given a consistent response.
commissar on April 6, 2007 at 8:09 PM
I would love to see Cheney run for president, for the entertainment value alone (this is also why I am fervently hoping the Goracle jumps in too.)
WasatchMan on April 6, 2007 at 8:13 PM
Thanks, I needed that. And I’m not even Italian.
Wait until they find out he likes The Sopranos.
Sure, this all comes with being the frontrunner, but really, most of it is petty, smalltime stuff.
You don’t like him, don’t vote for him. But if you want The Pantsuit as POTUS, put aside your differences in the general election (assuming, of course, he’s the nominee).
I really do like Fred!, but I go back a long way with Rudy.
JammieWearingFool on April 6, 2007 at 8:28 PM
While I agree with AP that the Rudy bashing on this topic has become annoying I still am disheartened at the current leaders for the Republican nomination. IMHO, Rudy leans the wrong way on gun control, fiscal responsibility, and illegal immigration. McCain is wrong on illegal immigration. While Romney sounds good he still comes across as untrustworthy, i.e., his lifelong ‘passion’ for hunting. I am a lifelong southerner and I know that all three of these candidates are carrying major baggage in regards to the southern vote. However, I will say that whomever receives the Republican nomination will have my vote for president. Sadly, I cannot make that assertion for the rest of the voters in the south.
dawgyear on April 6, 2007 at 8:56 PM
Where in the Constitution is that?
januarius on April 6, 2007 at 9:10 PM
I wish people thought like Frum, with an understanding of the comprehensive importance of judges, not just to social issues but to every other kind of issue.
Frum might have mentioned Bush as an another grim example, a better one than McCain since it’s not a hypothetical. Bush make his faith a huge part of who he is as president and much of the support for him has been (and, to the extent it lingers, continues to be) based on him being fundamentally “a good man.” Yet he turned around and tried to give us Miers, who ended up being pro-Roe. And most people agree he wanted to give us Gonzales, who is likewise pro-Roe. So rank cronyism is another thing politicians can prioritize over their supposed objection to killing the unborn.
But as you say, that’s not how many people look at it, unfortunately. They can’t support people who would countenance abortion period. And they’re likely to believe someone who drones on about “life” than someone who actually gives a damn about the role of judges.
Anyway, what I actually wanted to say was that Frum undermines his point a bit by saying that Giuliani might not want Roe overturned but would risk it for a judge who will give him leeway in counterterrroism. Well, that may be Giuliani, but it’s not a conservative at all. Anyone, whatever they think the law should be regarding abortion, is not a conservative if they think judges can conjure rights the way Roe does. That is the fundamental issue in the judges debate, and the overall revival of federalism that any conservative ought to support. Giuliani would do better to focus on implying that Alito and Scalia are his philosophical judicial ideals than let it slip that he believes judges should be aloud to write law a long ax it’s good law like protecting abortion rights.
Alex K on April 6, 2007 at 9:16 PM
Hm. Try:
“…to write law as long as it’s good law like protecting abortion rights.”
Alex K on April 6, 2007 at 9:18 PM
This is not gonna stop, is it? 19 more months of the Usual Suspects trying to make Rudy look bad and sound bad, especially to “independents” and HardCore Republicans.
Annoying? Finally? Thanks for the ‘heads-up’, AP: It was a lot more than Annoying a long time ago. I have some more accurate and appropriate words for what the media is doing / trying to do to Rudy
Dishonest; partisan; juvenile; petty; bitter; fear-mongering; race-baiting
…..and did I mention ‘dishonest’?
Janos Hunyadi on April 6, 2007 at 9:29 PM
Aww…
I have not noticed a proliferation of Rudy criticism. At least not more or less than any other candidate. It’s his turn in the news cycle. *shrug*
It seems you are sympathetic to Rudy Allah. Is it an Italian thing, a New York thing, or both?
Theworldisnotenough on April 6, 2007 at 9:38 PM
In other words, just what the Catholics and Christians think.
Mazztek on April 6, 2007 at 9:42 PM
Good post, AP.
I think a lot of the support for Rudy has to do with the fact that in this election, competence is going to trump ideology for many Republican voters.
I was a bit put off by his comments regarding public funding for abortion, but I still like the guy quite a bit – because he fights. After seven years of a guy who worried more about a “new tone” than winning political battles, having a fighter in the White House would be a welcome change.
Slublog on April 6, 2007 at 9:42 PM
I hope so, amigo. Otherwise, say hello to my leeetle friend: President Pantsuit
Janos Hunyadi on April 6, 2007 at 9:58 PM
I hope so as well.
Slublog on April 6, 2007 at 10:21 PM
Where in the constitution does it say we can post anything on the internet we want to? Or that the airwaves can be government controlled? 90% of what the government does is not in the constitution, it falls under several catch all phrases like “pursuit of…”, or “life, liberty…”, that is what the courts do, interpret the constitution…right or wrong.
right2bright on April 6, 2007 at 10:36 PM
Are you freaking serious? You truly believe the media is bashing Rudy?! OMG! There might be some conservative blogs and conservative writers rightly bashing him on his non-conservative stances on various issues, but to suggest “the media” as a whole is bashing Rudy is like liberals believing the media slants to the right.
“The media” wants nothing more than to lock Rudy in as the Republican candidate which would assure them a liberal in the White House. The only two names they even mention is Giuliani and McCain. If you didn’t read the conservative blogs you wouldn’t even know Tancredo or Thompson exist.
Gregor on April 6, 2007 at 11:37 PM
This is nothing….. just wait.
PinkyBigglesworth on April 6, 2007 at 11:41 PM
Gregor, you’re as dumb as you ever were. Good luck being You
Janos Hunyadi on April 7, 2007 at 12:24 AM
Yep. Tip of the iceberg.
csdeven on April 7, 2007 at 12:57 AM
I don’t see what’s changed since yesterday. From CNN,
And later “But it is your choice, an individual right.”
That’s just straight-down pro-choice. And even if you thought baby-killing was in the penumbra of the emanations of the constition, that’s still different from a guarantee of free abortions. Otherwise where to I go to get my free press or my free gun. There is no way this guy is a conservative on this point, either social or fiscal.
pedestrian on April 7, 2007 at 2:09 AM
Well, I Shan’t bash him.
Nor shall I support him with cash, volunteer work or bumper stickers etc.
OH, if he gets the nomination, I’ll vote for him. But not happily.
Unless, maybe, he promises to get a REALLY vicious, patriotic Attorney General, and the both of them start enforcing the Logan Act and the other various treason and sedition laws, wherever they may lead (cough, Congress, cough); (cough, State, cough) ; (cough, NYT, cough). You know, I think I’d actually be willing to let Rudy have my firearms if I could see Pelosi, Murtha, McDermott, Rockerfeller, Sandy Burglar and a few others doing some hard time in prison.
LegendHasIt on April 7, 2007 at 3:07 AM
LOL! Classic. I think I saw that same insult thrown out in the Gorebots gone wild post.
Gregor on April 7, 2007 at 3:21 AM
What turns me off about Rudy was his OPEN and PUBLIC support of Bill Clinton’s gun control agenda.
Roe v. Wade is a done deal and will probably never be overturned; certainly, not in our lifetime. Like other controversial USSC decisions (Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson) it will take a major act or a long passage of time to overturn Roe.
It took the Civil War and 660,000 American lives to overturn Scott.
It took almost 60 years to overturn Plessy, and needed a Chief Justice still suffering pangs of conscience over the Japanese-American internment to make it happen. It took another 10 years to pass the Civil Rights Act and, 43 years later we are STILL dealing with the fallout of Plessy.
I may be wrong, but obsessing about abortion and Rudy’s statements about it, is a waste of time.
Rather, we should be worried about what happens when President Giuliani is presented with a total and complete gun ban law for his signature, passed by a Congress run by Speaker Pelosi and Marjority Leader Reid.
There is very little we can do to reverse Roe for now, if ever. But we can prevent President Giuliani from signing a bill that bans all privately owned firearms by making sure that another Republican — one who actively supports the right to keep and bear arms and the Second Amendment — gets the nomination, and not Rudy.
My 2 cents.
georgej on April 7, 2007 at 3:23 AM
No, gregor, you didn’t. Wrong again; being an uneducated and unintelligent clown, you usually are wrong and you make very little sense in your post–and you like to bite at the ankles of people you disagree with.
I support Rudy, and I’m “freakin serious” about it–and I’m relieved that a moron like you cannot understand, and I’m not going to stop posting my views just because some drunk pops up with half-wit remarks
Why don’t you try calling me a troll again? That worked really well for you last time…….
Janos Hunyadi on April 7, 2007 at 3:41 AM
All fine points indeed, and clearly you’ve proved yourself much more educated then myself. I commend you for your unequaled accomplishments in life and I bow to your superiority. I could only wish to one day match your wit and wisdom, if only for a day.
Gregor on April 7, 2007 at 5:13 AM
My dream ticket would be either Rudy and Fred, or Fred and Rudy.
A guy can dream, can’t he?
petefrt on April 7, 2007 at 10:55 AM
True story
wytammic on April 7, 2007 at 11:16 AM
Rudy’s position on issues like hand gun control and abortion have been known for decades. Remember, he was the mayor of NY City. Do you think campaigning in NY was a cake walk? I’m sure Rudy is use to this. He was elected twice as mayor of NY City despite a massive campaign to discredit him by both the left and right wings yet he still won
Don’t count out Rudy just yet and don’t worry about people bashing him. He’s been bashed before and he did quite well despite of it.
RedinBlueCounty on April 7, 2007 at 1:27 PM
Giuliani’s problem, in my mind, is that he has long stated liberal positions which will be used against him by Republicans and Democrats. Don’t think that Democrats won’t run commericials showing Rudy endorsing public funding of abortion in order to dampen conservative support in the general election.
Republicans lose when conservatives stay home and when the Republican gets challenged from the right. The lesson should be is that conservatism wins elections and Rudy just doesn’t cut it.
Bill C on April 7, 2007 at 1:52 PM
The problem I have with what Rudy said is that American taxpayers are being used as the default funders for these abortions. This can be funded in other ways. Criminals could be held financially responsible. Insurance companies should be held accountable. People making poor lifestyle choices should be held financially accountable if they have no insurance. Non-profit organizations could set up funding. There are many alternatives to billing the general public. Rudy is trying to have his cake and eat it too. And just to throw another log on the fire, Rudy stands no chance against Mitt.
calirighty on April 7, 2007 at 3:12 PM
I am more worried about staying alive, and there is a future USA where I can practice my religion, say nasty things about the speaker of the house, and not have to be worried about getting blown up to bits at the shopping mall. I want someone who is going to be backing the military, by keeping it strong and being respectful enough of the military so people will fight to defend us and assist our allied countries (ex. Australia, Israel). We will not be able to raise a volunteer military, or have an effective military if people have no confidence in the Commander and Chief (ex Clinton or Obamma).
If we are blown to bits or vaporized by our enemies, there will be issues that won’t matter anymore. The abortion issue, won’t matter if we been aborted by Islamo Nazi’s would it, unless you thinking we are being punished, I guess.
I am for survival of us all, less taxes and less government interference. I want people to want to have all the kids they want to have as long as they can afford it. Who is going to want to have kids if it is too dangerous a society we live in? We have an enemy to worry about. Everything else, will take care of itself in other ways.
StuLongIsland on April 8, 2007 at 12:11 AM