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posted at 10:20 pm on April 4, 2007 by Allahpundit
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In an unrelated story…
Iran is noting an increase in unseasonble clouds… this strange atmospheric phenomenom has clouds crossing the sky at better than the speed of sound…
Sources close to the Ayatollah Cockamamemy has stated “ah, must be a Miracle from Allah…”
Romeo13 on April 4, 2007 at 10:24 PM
Wow. I want one.
vcferlita on April 4, 2007 at 10:30 PM
Dude.
Slublog on April 4, 2007 at 10:34 PM
Tech-rotica!
Lawrence on April 4, 2007 at 10:35 PM
I’ve had a similar photo as my desktop background for the last few months. cool eh?
RobertCSampson on April 4, 2007 at 10:44 PM
Those clouds are visible for about 5 seconds starting at 0:35 in this 4 minute F-14 pR0n. If you’ve got the time, the last few seconds of the video are a good chuckle.
eeyore on April 4, 2007 at 10:50 PM
Shaaaaaawing!!!
csdeven on April 4, 2007 at 10:58 PM
We qneed those bad boys
Defector01 on April 4, 2007 at 10:59 PM
Oh baby. That’s hot.
For reference, the F-35 should be coming in around $30 million a piece… about as much as the Tomcat cost 20 years ago in unadjusted dollars.
askheaves on April 4, 2007 at 11:03 PM
OK, this IS pretty cool…
And I wouldn’t want to be under that cloud when it “rained”, that’s for sure…
Yeah, this may not be effective in Baghdad, but think of a “quick kill” scenario with Iran, or North Korea…quick in, quick out if you wanna take out a nuclear facility…
JetBoy on April 4, 2007 at 11:05 PM
Sweeeeeet!
jarhead05 on April 4, 2007 at 11:10 PM
A thing of pure beauty. I don’t care how much it costs – build it. If it keeps us ahead of China and the Eurotraitors, build it!
thedecider on April 4, 2007 at 11:34 PM
I had the honor of spending the majority of my adult life around these awesome birds. Even more awe-inspiring are the folks that fly and maintain them.
MCPO Airdale on April 4, 2007 at 11:36 PM
Travolta landed his plane out of shame.
AtomicAmish on April 4, 2007 at 11:42 PM
I can’t wait to see one kill something on Dogfights!
Buck Turgidson on April 4, 2007 at 11:57 PM
It’ll be great for blowin’ up Persian targets though. “The 300… Part deux.” Fewer Western civ warriors, bigger enemy body count, coming to a theater (of war) near you.
Mojave Mark on April 5, 2007 at 12:01 AM
See, I think that’s the actual reason Iran released the hostages. They started to see clouds, and hear bangs– Two, not good, combinations for them.
amerpundit on April 5, 2007 at 12:07 AM
“Mr. Gore is too shocked to comment. When he recovers he will make a brief statement, likely to include a form of offsets’.
Entelechy on April 5, 2007 at 1:11 AM
Go ahead, pick your “offset”, Freedom provided by the United States of America!
PinkyBigglesworth on April 5, 2007 at 2:28 AM
They are beautiful. I was lucky enough to see one down at Eglin some time ago. Tactics are still being worked out on how to best use all the “features” this new bird comes with. One was “shot down” at Red Flag recently but the USAF purposefully used it’s least experienced pilots in that exercise. All in all, it will be hard to beat these next 20-30 years it will be in service.
Zorro on April 5, 2007 at 7:04 AM
Nice how the author throws out incorrectly-based anti-war missives in the opening sentence. I guess the term “close air support” doesn’t ever apply to urban combat. You know, like when the baddies get in a jeep/truck and take off really fast.
Every single military action has self-proclaimed experts pointing out how expensive weapon systems are totally irrelevant to the current conflict, the implication being why bother making them at all when we could be giving $500 checks to poor unmarried black women with 15 kids.
Neo on April 5, 2007 at 7:24 AM
Dude.
ballz2wallz on April 5, 2007 at 8:31 AM
We’ve come a long way in less than 100 years I see.
CBarker on April 5, 2007 at 8:33 AM
These will come in real handy against those Soviets Migs. Oh wait…
kcluva on April 5, 2007 at 8:46 AM
China.
csdeven on April 5, 2007 at 8:54 AM
Sweet!
What’s mine say?
Dude!
What’s mine say?
Sweet!
budorob on April 5, 2007 at 9:01 AM
Yeah, China. We can wait a good 20 years before China comes up with anything that could possibly try and fight against this thing.
Don’t get me wrong, I love US military might. But it seems to me, we are 5 years into this totally different war than anything in history, yet we are still fighting and spending on the Cold War.
kcluva on April 5, 2007 at 10:41 AM
The PLAAF has nearly 100 Su-30MK’s on hand, and a slightly smaller number of older Su-27. The Su-30’s are extremely advanced aircraft which sport phased array radars and thrust vectoring (though I’m not certain the Chinese examples are outfitted with the latter–the Indian ones are), and, at least on paper, is easily a match for the F-15C. They will likely be procuring more.
Venezuela has already purchased 24 Su-30’s and plans to purchase additional Su-35’s, which are even more sophisticatd than the -30MK’s.
I’ve no doubt that American experience and tactical doctrine would allow our air forces to prevail against even substantially better-equipped, but far less organized, enemies. But when fourth-raters like Venezuela are able to acquire aircraft superior to your own on the world market, it’s not a bad idea to proceed with your own upgrades.
Blacklake on April 5, 2007 at 11:21 AM
The spiffy thing about the F-22’s ability to crack the sound barrier is that it doesn’t need to use afterburners to do it. Try that with any other fighter in the world.
On a related note, I agree with Blacklake above. The F-15 and F-16 are basically 30+ year-old designs; even with upgrades t their radar and electronics, how long are we supposed to expect them to remain dominant?
“The ‘High-Low Technology Mix’ works best when we have the ‘high’ and the enemies of freedom have the ‘low.’”
- Secretary of the Navy Lehman, 1981
We’ll never outnumber our enemies; we’ll never “out-muscle” them, either. We have to be better than they are, in terms of technology and training.
Decades ago, when it came time to decide how to structure our military, we chose the “technology path” that would allow a smaller force of volunteer professionals to defeat a numerically larger force of conscripts equipped with less-advanced equipment. This philosophy remains effective only as long as we maintain a definite qualitative edge over our potential foes (like China and to a lesser extent, Russia). Let them catch up technologically, and we’ve got trouble because then they can simply overwhelm us with numbers.
The need for the F-22 isn’t based on perpetuating a “Cold War” procurement program so much as it’s to restore the critical technological edge that the F-15 gave us back in the 1970s, but which has been steadily eroded since then.
Spurius Ligustinus on April 5, 2007 at 11:47 AM
Reminds me of a great quote from Sid Meier’s Alpha Centauri:
“Superior training and superior weaponry have, when taken together, a geometric effect on overall military strength. Well-trained, well-equipped troops can stand up to many more times their lesser brethren than linear arithmetic would seem to indicate.
Spartan Battle Manual ”
I’ve been waiting for months to use that quote. And it’s true–that’s what the U.S. has done.
Vanceone on April 5, 2007 at 11:52 AM
“Investing” in our national defense should address all potential threats, both immediate and long-term.
CliffHanger on April 5, 2007 at 12:26 PM
There are other threats than the current ones. For example, China is in the midst of a big rearmament campaign. The F-22 can do much to neutralize Chinese military power.
The lesson of the last century of war is that the military that commands the sky wins a conventional war. You can not win the war on the ground if you give the sky to the enemy. The F-22 guarantees that America can not lose a conventional war. When our enemies know they can’t win, they are deterred from starting a conventional war with us. In this way, the F-22 saves lives and keeps the peace. How much is peace worth to you?
For the lefty lummoxes who don’t see how fighter jets help defend us against our jihadi enemies, let me lay it out for you. If you can’t make conventional war on America with any rational expectation of winning, you must step back and fighter a weakling’s war of terrorism. The occassional bombings of a terror war are a much muted form of violence when compared to the general destruction of a conventional war. Dropping a few buildings with jumbo jets is much less destructive than an artillery barrage. Weapons like the F-22 and the conventional might of the US military forces our enemies into unconventional fights that are basically a battle of flea bites. F-22s and tanks and aircraft carriers prevent the violence from blossoming.
The critics of the US military show their hypocrisy every time they protest it deep within its protection. They never, ever venture out to enemy ground to protest the terrorists and insurgents, who would casually kill them.
Tantor on April 5, 2007 at 2:16 PM
Don’t forget about China, N.Korea, and Russia. Just because they appear to be our friends now doesn’t mean we should stop guarding our back door.
Lawrence on April 5, 2007 at 4:08 PM
I am a little late to this thread and have to show some sort of screen name loyalty…
Can an F-22 land with only one wing?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PXAK6oKiUrA
That being said the F-15 is an old design, no matter what upgrades were done to it.
For example. The control stick in the video (approx 1 minute in) was not available on the generation F-15 that they are talking about. That was a mod made later on.
At some point you are no longer able to retrofit a jet by stuffing more electronics into it.
To give an F-15 the abilities an F-22 has would not be possible.
If the USA wants to keep up with the jets from Russia, Euro fighter, and Saab they needed something better then the F-15.
However the F-15 will still be around till 2025 (I think)
F15Mech on April 5, 2007 at 9:06 PM
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