Comments on: Red on red mania: Sunni insurgents kill two Al Qaeda capos in Baghdad; Update: Dire assessment at Powerline http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/ The world’s first, full-service conservative Internet broadcast network Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:03:58 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » SCIRI denies split with Iran, Maliki agrees to bigger Sunni role in security http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-399052 Hot Air » Blog Archive » SCIRI denies split with Iran, Maliki agrees to bigger Sunni role in security Sun, 13 May 2007 17:46:51 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-399052 [...] It’s not a formal agreement, just an “understanding,” so who knows how it long it’ll hold. It does at least, however, head off the threat made a few days ago by Hashemi to pull out of the coalition within the week if Maliki didn’t bring the militias into line. Bringing the Sunnis into the security establishment has done wonders in Anbar, so there’s cause for optimism here. And cause for pessimism, too, which is why I say it’s only mostly good news: Hashemi is a proponent of talking to the insurgents (”they’re just part of the … communities”), Al Qaeda notably excepted, even though his own brother and sister were gunned down last year when he joined the cabinet. That last link mentions that his party, the largest Sunni faction in Iraq, has “apparent connections” to some of them, so this deal could amount to putting jihadi sympathizers in charge of policing jihadis. On the other hand, Salam al-Zubaie, the Sunni deputy PM who survived an assassination attempt earlier this year, also had connections to the insurgency but was allegedly using them to coax resistance-types away from AQ and towards a political settlement. So how this new arragement cuts depends largely upon the purity of Hashemi’s motives. How lucky do you feel? [...] [...] It’s not a formal agreement, just an “understanding,” so who knows how it long it’ll hold. It does at least, however, head off the threat made a few days ago by Hashemi to pull out of the coalition within the week if Maliki didn’t bring the militias into line. Bringing the Sunnis into the security establishment has done wonders in Anbar, so there’s cause for optimism here. And cause for pessimism, too, which is why I say it’s only mostly good news: Hashemi is a proponent of talking to the insurgents (”they’re just part of the … communities”), Al Qaeda notably excepted, even though his own brother and sister were gunned down last year when he joined the cabinet. That last link mentions that his party, the largest Sunni faction in Iraq, has “apparent connections” to some of them, so this deal could amount to putting jihadi sympathizers in charge of policing jihadis. On the other hand, Salam al-Zubaie, the Sunni deputy PM who survived an assassination attempt earlier this year, also had connections to the insurgency but was allegedly using them to coax resistance-types away from AQ and towards a political settlement. So how this new arragement cuts depends largely upon the purity of Hashemi’s motives. How lucky do you feel? [...]

]]> By: The Thunder Run http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-340806 The Thunder Run Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:42:19 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-340806 <strong>Web Reconnaissance for 04/03/2007...</strong> A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention.... Web Reconnaissance for 04/03/2007…

A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention….

]]> By: Connie http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-340138 Connie Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:58:06 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-340138 Gee, and I was told I was only allowed to post if I stayed on my meds. ;) Gee, and I was told I was only allowed to post if I stayed on my meds. ;)

]]> By: Kralizec http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-339573 Kralizec Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:43:02 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-339573 <blockquote>Almighty God will have to start over, First, remove the human race (Islamists, Leftists) from the planet. Sorry, colateral damage-U.S. and very few allies. The real reason for the comet that ended the Dinosaurs… tormod on April 2, 2007 at 12:54 PM</blockquote> You tart up your self-righteousness in holy language and displace your contempt for all of us onto "Almighty God." I straightforwardly advocate that the liberal democracies destroy or subjugate an enemy, take what they need, and move on to the next enemy. The Americans don't fail at war; they fail to make war. Their reforms don't fail; they're too piteous to force real reforms in the first place. You follow up their cruel pity with your own pious cruelty.

Almighty God will have to start over, First, remove the human race (Islamists, Leftists) from the planet.

Sorry, colateral damage-U.S. and very few allies.

The real reason for the comet that ended the Dinosaurs…

tormod on April 2, 2007 at 12:54 PM

You tart up your self-righteousness in holy language and displace your contempt for all of us onto “Almighty God.” I straightforwardly advocate that the liberal democracies destroy or subjugate an enemy, take what they need, and move on to the next enemy. The Americans don’t fail at war; they fail to make war. Their reforms don’t fail; they’re too piteous to force real reforms in the first place. You follow up their cruel pity with your own pious cruelty.

]]> By: tormod http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-339358 tormod Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:54:34 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-339358 Almighty God will have to start over, First, remove the human race (Islamists, Leftists) from the planet. Sorry, colateral damage-U.S. and very few allies. The real reason for the comet that ended the Dinosaurs... Almighty God will have to start over, First, remove the human race (Islamists, Leftists) from the planet.

Sorry, colateral damage-U.S. and very few allies.

The real reason for the comet that ended the Dinosaurs…

]]> By: PRCalDude http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-339331 PRCalDude Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:38:20 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-339331 Robert Spencer and the JihadWatch staff have been saying what PowerLine said for years. Even if we do suppress the insurgency, so what? You still have the same Islamic nutjobs you had before. Ban Islam in the country for 50 years, and you might make some progress. Robert Spencer and the JihadWatch staff have been saying what PowerLine said for years. Even if we do suppress the insurgency, so what? You still have the same Islamic nutjobs you had before. Ban Islam in the country for 50 years, and you might make some progress.

]]> By: The Thunder Run http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-339173 The Thunder Run Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:00:55 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-339173 <strong>Web Reconnaissance for 04/02/2007...</strong> A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention.... Web Reconnaissance for 04/02/2007…

A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention….

]]> By: csdeven http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-339118 csdeven Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:12:36 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-339118 It will take years to stem the tide of islamo-fascism and we have to start in the schools. Just like the homos are trying to indoctrinate our kids with their sick agenda to create emnity between parent and child, we must do the same in the muslim community. We need to replace superstition with education and fear with responsiblity for the community. It will take years to stem the tide of islamo-fascism and we have to start in the schools. Just like the homos are trying to indoctrinate our kids with their sick agenda to create emnity between parent and child, we must do the same in the muslim community. We need to replace superstition with education and fear with responsiblity for the community.

]]> By: Spurius Ligustinus http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-339034 Spurius Ligustinus Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:50:49 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-339034 There's a ring of truth to the downbeat appraisal of the Iraqi police forces. I've spoken with several men who've returned from deployment to Iraq, and their stories about the police are uniformly negative. Typically, they give examples like patrolling an area within line of sight of a police checkpoint, then returning a short time later to the same place and having an IED go off. No warning from the police, who they believe either observed the IED being planted by others or may have emplaced it themselves. This has happened on both vehicle and foot patrols. Another example was when an American battalion commander made sure to issue 500-round cases of 9mm ammunition to several Iraqi police checkpoints - only to find a couple of days later that the police had perhaps 3 rounds on them, and had sold the remaining ammunition on the black market. We've invested a lot of time getting the Iraqi army up to speed, and have some positive results to show for it. The police, however, are another matter. They're fabulously corrupt and deeply penetrated by the bad guys, especially the Shia death squads. This is a significant reason why it's so hard to keep the urban violence in check - the army can't be everywhere, and the police too often aren't doing their jobs, or are in cahoots with the people doing the bombings, or are doing the killings themselves. This is going to be a long, hard slog - assuming that the donkey party isn't successful in pulling the plug and running away by next year. It seems clear that what's going on - by design or accident - is a two-tier approach: first get the army on its feet, <em>then</em> sort out the cops. And we're still working on phase one. There’s a ring of truth to the downbeat appraisal of the Iraqi police forces. I’ve spoken with several men who’ve returned from deployment to Iraq, and their stories about the police are uniformly negative.

Typically, they give examples like patrolling an area within line of sight of a police checkpoint, then returning a short time later to the same place and having an IED go off. No warning from the police, who they believe either observed the IED being planted by others or may have emplaced it themselves. This has happened on both vehicle and foot patrols.

Another example was when an American battalion commander made sure to issue 500-round cases of 9mm ammunition to several Iraqi police checkpoints – only to find a couple of days later that the police had perhaps 3 rounds on them, and had sold the remaining ammunition on the black market.

We’ve invested a lot of time getting the Iraqi army up to speed, and have some positive results to show for it. The police, however, are another matter. They’re fabulously corrupt and deeply penetrated by the bad guys, especially the Shia death squads. This is a significant reason why it’s so hard to keep the urban violence in check – the army can’t be everywhere, and the police too often aren’t doing their jobs, or are in cahoots with the people doing the bombings, or are doing the killings themselves.

This is going to be a long, hard slog – assuming that the donkey party isn’t successful in pulling the plug and running away by next year. It seems clear that what’s going on – by design or accident – is a two-tier approach: first get the army on its feet, then sort out the cops. And we’re still working on phase one.

]]> By: mustng66 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-339012 mustng66 Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:18:38 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-339012 As I have said before, that Mooslims killing other Mooslims is a win-win for the rest of the world. As I have said before, that Mooslims killing other Mooslims is a win-win for the rest of the world.

]]> By: TheBigOldDog http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-338912 TheBigOldDog Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:06:54 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-338912 <em>Then there’s the domestic political situation which I won’t rehash except to say that it’s crippling to the war effort. <strong>We’ve been in country over a year and there have been Democratic calls for timetables and withdraws the entire time. Would, should, any rational person bet his life helping CF when you’re expecting them to leave at any time?</strong> </em> Then there’s the domestic political situation which I won’t rehash except to say that it’s crippling to the war effort. We’ve been in country over a year and there have been Democratic calls for timetables and withdraws the entire time. Would, should, any rational person bet his life helping CF when you’re expecting them to leave at any time?

]]> By: Janos Hunyadi http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-338696 Janos Hunyadi Mon, 02 Apr 2007 06:50:05 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-338696 Um, did anyone read the last part of Massah Allah's post? That bit from Newsweek? Not that Newsweek gets anything right most of the time, but if they're actually onto something here about the Iraqi forces being de facto Shi'ite militias , then the decomp of every other military and para-military force in Iraq is only the Fleeting Good News before the Really Bad News The murkier this gets, the greater the MSM/Demo ( same thing ) feeding frenzy grows. Um, did anyone read the last part of Massah Allah’s post? That bit from Newsweek? Not that Newsweek gets anything right most of the time, but if they’re actually onto something here about the Iraqi forces being de facto Shi’ite militias , then the decomp of every other military and para-military force in Iraq is only the Fleeting Good News before the Really Bad News

The murkier this gets, the greater the MSM/Demo ( same thing ) feeding frenzy grows.

]]> By: Buck Turgidson http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-338561 Buck Turgidson Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:59:39 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-338561 It's sad when I imagine Iraq's government being <em>more</em> vile and corrupt than Mexico's. It’s sad when I imagine Iraq’s government being more vile and corrupt than Mexico’s.

]]> By: JustTruth101 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-338511 JustTruth101 Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:17:33 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-338511 Thanks for the report. I read every Iraq post, but most of the time I don't have anything to say, so I don't comment. I just want you to know every Iraq post is read. Thanks for the report. I read every Iraq post, but most of the time I don’t have anything to say, so I don’t comment. I just want you to know every Iraq post is read.

]]> By: PinkyBigglesworth http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-338462 PinkyBigglesworth Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:50:53 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-338462 <blockquote>In order to succeed on the ground we would have to scrap everything we have done and start over….</blockquote> Why not try it with "the Gloves Off"...... maybe liberal restrictions on what you can and can not do in battle with people that want to kill you the moment they wake up in the morning, might just not be a good thing. Ya think?

In order to succeed on the ground we would have to scrap everything we have done and start over….

Why not try it with “the Gloves Off”…… maybe liberal restrictions on what you can and can not do in battle with people that want to kill you the moment they wake up in the morning, might just not be a good thing. Ya think?

]]> By: billy http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-338433 billy Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:29:48 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-338433 Wow AP, you made The Corner, You <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODcyMWM3MjhlZjhkNGY5ZjExOTUxMjVhYWQ2YmVkOWE=" rel="nofollow">"playful intellect"</a> you. Wow AP, you made The Corner, You “playful intellect” you.

]]> By: MirCat http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-338356 MirCat Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:54:59 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-338356 They think they've won so now they're dividing up turf. - The Cat They think they’ve won so now they’re dividing up turf.

- The Cat

]]> By: SouthernGent http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-338324 SouthernGent Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:40:54 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-338324 The democrat party must be in mourning. They LOVE al-Qaeda. The democrat party must be in mourning. They LOVE al-Qaeda.

]]> By: profitsbeard http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-338304 profitsbeard Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:31:22 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-338304 Al-Qaeda has reverted to an exact duplicate of their thieving pedophile warlord leader, Mo the First. Only the media is still in the dark about the self-declared terroristic tenets of intolerant, imperialistic Islam, having studiously avoided reading the backround material (Koran, Hadiths, Sunna) since 9/11. The motto of the MSM: <b>Allah news that's fit to print.</b> Al-Qaeda has reverted to an exact duplicate of their thieving pedophile warlord leader, Mo the First.

Only the media is still in the dark about the self-declared terroristic tenets of intolerant, imperialistic Islam, having studiously avoided reading the backround material (Koran, Hadiths, Sunna) since 9/11.

The motto of the MSM: Allah news that’s fit to print.

]]> By: frankj http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-338298 frankj Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:29:56 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-338298 Sunnis killing Sunnis? Next we'll hear of Sunnis and Shiites working together despite them being like matter and anti-matter. Sunnis killing Sunnis? Next we’ll hear of Sunnis and Shiites working together despite them being like matter and anti-matter.

]]> By: Zorro http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-338026 Zorro Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:45:45 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-338026 Progress. Just as the President had hoped for. Progress. Just as the President had hoped for.

]]> By: RedWinged Blackbird http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-338013 RedWinged Blackbird Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:38:58 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/01/red-on-red-mania-sunni-insurgents-kill-two-al-qaeda-capos-in-baghdad/#comment-338013 <blockquote>“Al-Qaeda have turned into a bunch of criminals and gangsters…”</blockquote> That sounds like "quote of the day" material to me. Too easy or what?

“Al-Qaeda have turned into a bunch of criminals and gangsters…”

That sounds like “quote of the day” material to me. Too easy or what?

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