Telegraph: Deal in the works for British sailors’ release? Update: Revolutionary Guard commander wants sailors freed?

posted at 7:22 pm on March 31, 2007 by Allahpundit

Haven’t read it yet but I wanted to get the link up before Drudge does. (He’s teasing it but hasn’t added the URL yet.)

Standby for updates.

Update: It’s a non-apology apology. The plan is to send someone from the Royal Navy to Tehran to promise that they’d never knowingly enter Iranian waters. As an acknowledgment of basic territorial sovereignty, that’s unobjectionable; but under the circumstances, as a veiled admission of guilt (which is how it’ll be perceived), it’s as objectionable as can be. A Falkand War vet wonders how it came to this:

Maj Gen Julian Thompson called for a review of the Navy’s rules of engagement, dictated by the United Nations, that they cannot open fire unless they are shot at first. “In my view this thing is a complete cock-up,” he said.

“I want to know why the Marines didn’t open fire or put up some sort of fight. My fear is that they didn’t have the right rules of engagement, which would allow them to do this.”

Captain Ed explains the gist of the problem — in a word, demilitarization. Although that’s not the whole problem. Check out this poll, some of the numbers from which are truly depressing:

Only 8 percent of respondents to the survey for the Sunday Telegraph newspaper said Britain should prepare to use military force at this stage, nine days into the crisis. Asked if force should be used as a last resort, 48 percent were opposed and 44 percent in favor…

Forty percent of Britons polled backed the government’s current strategy of quiet diplomacy but no apology to Iran, while 17 percent felt Britain should impose sanctions and 26 percent felt Britain should apologize and ask for the captives back.

The Telegraph says British officials fear this could drag on for months, a la 1979.

Update: They’re practically apologizing already: “The message I want to send is I think everyone regrets that this position has arisen. What we want is a way out of it.” The absurd thing about this dispute, according to the former head of Brtain’s maritime Foreign Office, is that there is no official boundary between Iraqi and Iranian waters. Both sides are talking nonsense when they point to GPS coordinates since there’s no demarcation reference point that would formally deem the boat inside one country or the other. Which in turn means that Britain’s promise not to enter Iranian waters in the future is meaningless.

I figure they must have broached this idea of the conciliatory non-apology apology in the note they sent to Tehran earlier today because the Iranian envoy to Russia who hinted the sailors might be put on trial later backed away from that, claiming that he’d been mistranslated. It may be that they’re trying to defuse the situation before the hardliners really start demagoging it in earnest next week:

It has also emerged that the President will hold a press conference on the crisis on Tuesday. His intervention – which comes at the end of a two-week national holiday that has hampered diplomatic activity – suggests that, far from bringing an end to the crisis, the return to work of Iranian politicians could herald its escalation.

Iranian media have been trumpeting Britain’s failure to secure a strong condemnation of Iran at the UN Security Council or a freeze on EU diplomacy. State television has run footage of the seizure of the boats and the “confessions” of Faye Turney and Nathan Thomas Summers, two of the seized UK personnel, repeatedly on the news channel.

The EU called for the sailors’ release a few days ago but when asked last night to do something about it by freezing exports to Iran, they balked. Iran greeted the capitulation today, naturally enough, with a threat. Amid the stupid Russian rumors that the U.S. is planning to attack Iran this Friday, Bush called for the sailors’ release himself today and the State Department made clear there’ll be no swap for the Quds Force boys we nabbed in Irbil just in case that’s what the Iranian leadership has in mind.

I wish I had some red meat to offer you here, but the pickings are slim except for these two righteously indignant Telegraph editorials. You know they’re mad when they’re quoting Caligula.

Update: A fracture within the leadership? I think it’s psyops, mainly because the Revolutionary Guard was responsible for seizing the sailors in the first place. Why would their leader have ordered the operation if he was going to panic a week later when Britain inevitably took umbrage?

For what it’s worth:

According to an Iranian military source, the commander of the Revolutionary Guards has called for them to be freed.

Major-General Yahya Rahim Safavi is said to have told the country’s Supreme National Security Council on Friday that the situation was “getting out of control” and urged its members to consider the immediate release of the prisoners to defuse tension in the Gulf…

Iranian military sources said the Supreme National Security Council had concluded on Friday evening that Ayatollah Khamenei, the supreme leader, should order the release of the British naval personnel on Safavi’s advice.

However, according to one account, which could not be confirmed, Javani described Safavi’s recommendation as tantamount to treason.

According to an article out tonight in WaPo, there are very few people in Iran right now who’d feel safe questioning Safavi’s loyalty. The IRGC has allegedly assumed control of key sectors of the country’s energy and weapons industries, thanks in part to Ahmadinejad’s patronage. It’s important and only a page long, so read all of it; roughly speaking, it sounds like they are to the Iranian army what the SS was to the Wehrmacht.

The Guard is now a less effective conventional fighting force than it was during the Iran-Iraq war, Cordesman said. But it controls the deadliest arms, including adapted Scud missiles with ranges up to 1,200 miles, along with a chemical and biological weapons program and missile production. The Revolutionary Guard remains “the center of Iran’s hard-line security forces,” he said.

The most secretive Guard unit is the Quds Force, which conducts operations beyond Iran’s borders using proxies such as Hezbollah, Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Cordesman says in the book. It has several directorates — for Iraq, Lebanon, the Palestinian territories and Jordan; Afghanistan, Pakistan and India; Turkey and the Arabian Peninsula; North Africa; and Europe and North America, Cordesman writes. It has operatives in many embassies abroad, he says, and runs Iran’s training camps for unconventional warfare.

Buried within is a tidbit I haven’t seen before: apparently, Iran thought the five Quds Force members we captured at Irbil were going to be released on March 21, the start of the Iranian New Year. Why they thought we would do that is utterly beyond me, but there may be something to it. After all, the sailors were taken only 48 hours later.


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Awww c’mon, it’s not like Bostonians could get sick from something people put in the water supply or anything…

To be fair, “attacking” a reservoir is massive undertaking…It’s not exactly like you are putting cyan!de into Aunt Esther’s lemonade. Any adulteration involves a massive volume of chemicals and an equally complex means to mix those chemicals into a fairly substantial volume of water.

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Obama said today that he does NOT support an Independet Counsel being appointed for ANY of the scandals….

The bottom line is if Holder des not call for an Independent Counsel it will NOT HAPPEN, they will be able to get away with all of it, & there is nothing anyone can do about it.

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 2:01 PM

MY Preezy? If he’s mine, he’s just as much yours, isn’t he? Or when did I become a fan of Obama, in your mind?

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 1:55 PM

:) not yours as in ‘you voted for him’ :), of course not… ‘your preezy’ (and mine too, I suspect, but then I’m in denial :) as in your (and our) collective curse…but only for 2 more years or so…I’m looking fwd to the last two lame duck years of his preezydency…

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I think Jon Stewart needs to add to that skit decrying government incompetence highlighted on the Internet a day or two ago.

This is the stuff government needs to be worrying about. Not people wearing “Don’t Tread on Me” shirts.

WTH is going on in this administration.

BuckeyeSam on May 16, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Obama’s administration / term in office so far:

FAILURE & SCANDAL!

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Brat, great find. Thanks.

Schadenfreude on May 16, 2013 at 2:10 PM

INCOMPETENCE is the hallmark of this administration. Starting in the Oval Office.

GarandFan on May 16, 2013 at 2:10 PM

The U.S. Marshal Service has been “unable to locate” two former participants in the federal Witness Security Program “identified as known or suspected terrorists,” states the public summary of an interim Justice Department Inspector General’s report obtained by CNN

Only credible option: crowdsource.

Names, photos, known acquaintences and known addresses.

Time to take your lumps with the rest of them, US Marshalls.

socalcon on May 16, 2013 at 2:12 PM

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I hope and pray, most earnestly, that the last years are mired in controversy and scandal….and a painful inability to accomplish much of anything, I prepare for a “good” 2014.

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:13 PM

“The inspector general’s office says some in the witness protection program who were on the government’s no-fly list were allowed to board commercial flights.”

Well why not? It’s not like they were planning on praying the rosary in front of a Planned Parenthood Clinic or something terroristy like that.

Lily on May 16, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Obama’s administration / term in office so far:

FAILURE & SCANDAL!

Hmmm, scandal has been a feature of many a president’s second term, even if it boiled over from the first.

Maybe a president should only serve one term. That makes for more than enough potential scandal.

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2013 at 2:15 PM

The DoJ also failed to update the Terrorist Screening Center, which runs the no-fly lists

{facepalm}

socalcon on May 16, 2013 at 2:16 PM

I didn’t know about the IG REPORT…(of course, knowing about what the IRS was doing is another story…)

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 2:18 PM

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2013 at 2:15 PM

MAYBE we just shouldn’t elect inexperienced Communist-tutored (Frank Marshall Davis) hate-spewing racist Communist-based Black Liberation theology pastor-mentored (Wright), Socialist Ideologist-quoting (Saul Alinsky) Community Organizers as President, especially one who plans to put a scndal-plagued Eric Holder in charge of the DOJ & a tax cheat in charge of the Treasury?! Just saying…

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 2:21 PM

I hope and pray, most earnestly, that the last years are mired in controversy and scandal….and a painful inability to accomplish much of anything, I prepare for a “good” 2014.

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Same here…methinks we are getting a preview of how his last two tears in office will look like…good news is that by then his political capital would have been spent and exhausted, so that his lame duck years will be even lamer…all these scandals will take a toll which makes me really optimistic about 2014…

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:29 PM

MAYBE we just shouldn’t elect inexperienced Communist-tutored (Frank Marshall Davis) hate-spewing racist Communist-based Black Liberation theology pastor-mentored (Wright), Socialist Ideologist-quoting (Saul Alinsky) Community Organizers as President, especially one who plans to put a scndal-plagued Eric Holder in charge of the DOJ & a tax cheat in charge of the Treasury?! Just saying…

No we shouldn’t have. But Barry was the perfect stooge at the perfect time for this job. His election was carefully coordinated by a crafty organization and abetted by the LSM. It was certainly an effort he could have never have hoped to coordinate on his own.

A mastermind he is not.

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Awww c’mon, it’s not like Bostonians could get sick from something people put in the water supply or anything…

To be fair, “attacking” a reservoir is massive undertaking…It’s not exactly like you are putting cyan!de into Aunt Esther’s lemonade. Any adulteration involves a massive volume of chemicals and an equally complex means to mix those chemicals into a fairly substantial volume of water.

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

And don’t they perform daily water test/analysis anyways? you’d think that a basic test would reveal the chemicals that are not supposed to be in there, especially if they are in lethal quantities…it’s not quite the Middle Age with the Borgias or the Medicis poisoning the water wells of their enemies :)…

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Probably placed them in a munitions factory…no one would ever look there…

right2bright on May 16, 2013 at 2:51 PM

government is good for you! let’s make it bigger!!

Sachiko on May 16, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Isn’t keeping track of terrorists racist or something?

We’ll have to wait till they join a tea party. Then they’ll find them for sure.

PattyJ on May 16, 2013 at 4:17 PM

The Justice Department’s inspector general says the department failed to provide the names of some terrorists in the witness protection program to the government’s Terrorist Screening Center.The center maintains the watch list that’s used to keep dangerous people off airline flights. …

Which name: their original one, or the one they use in the WPP?
Or the false one they are going to use once they get fake documents?

AesopFan on May 16, 2013 at 4:21 PM

It’s all a conspiracy to deny Hillary her turn at the wheel. Dirty Mysogynysts.

abobo on May 16, 2013 at 5:47 PM

To be fair, “attacking” a reservoir is massive undertaking…
 
JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

 
And don’t they perform daily water test/analysis anyways? …
 
jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:37 PM

 
The problem is that any highly-public “attack” would close smaller/on-site reservoirs until they could be tested, drained, cleaned, tested again, verified, etc. Then the equipment. Then the distribution system (the comical part is realizing where the water from the flushed lines would go.)
 
The country re-elected Obama. It’s not a stretch that many or most of them would think one gallon of ________ in a 100 million gallon tank would kill them.

rogerb on May 16, 2013 at 8:46 PM

There are two ways to go after a reservoir.

First is the water, but that hasn’t been treated yet so you are unlikely to do much there.

Second is the dam, which is an earthen dike for the Quabbin Reservoir.

I have a t-shirt around here someplace that says: ‘There is no problem that can’t be solved with the suitable application of high explosives.’

ajacksonian on May 16, 2013 at 9:06 PM

“Man arrested at Boise Bench home on terrorism charges…

BOISE — Federal agents have arrested 30-year-old Fazliddin Kurbanov, who was living at a Boise Bench home, as part of a federal terrorism investigation.

The U.S. Attorney says federal terrorism charges were filed Thursday afternoon in Boise and Salt Lake City, Utah.

Kurbanov is an Uzbekistan national and is legally in the United States.

Kurbanov has been indicted by a federal grand jury in Boise on three counts; one count of conspiracy to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization, one count of conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists and one count of possessing an unregistered destructive device.

A federal grand jury in Salt Lake City also returned an indictment charging Kurbanov with one count of distribution of information relating to explosives, destructive devices, and weapons of mass destruction.

Government officials say this arrest was the culmination of an investigation by the FBI’s Salt Lake Division, which covers Idaho and Utah; and Joint Terrorism Task Forces in Idaho and Utah, which include a number of federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies.

Federal agents have been closely monitoring Kurbanov’s activities for any potential threat….

KTVB has learned that Kurbanov has a police record here in Idaho. He was pulled over for traffic violations in three different Idaho counties over the past two years.”

http://www.ktvb.com/news/FBI-conducts-investigation-on-Boise-bench-207753341.html

workingclass artist on May 16, 2013 at 9:08 PM

To be fair, “attacking” a reservoir is massive undertaking…It’s not exactly like you are putting cyan!de into Aunt Esther’s lemonade. Any adulteration involves a massive volume of chemicals and an equally complex means to mix those chemicals into a fairly substantial volume of water. – JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Large amounts of ricin can be fairly easily made, radioactive isotopes in even modest amounts can be detected, and botulin is extremely toxic in small amounts. The entire reservoir need not be made highly lethal; detections of toxicity need only be high enough to close down the reservoir for some time and cause fear or even panic. That’s what terror is about.

Of course, these foreign Muslims from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Singapore were trespassing in the middle of the night only for the purposes of making observations of the water supply for their “education and career interests” , and they are not (as the media is making a point of) known to be connected to criminal groups. So nothing to worry about, move along unless you’re a greasy racist Islamophobe.

Chessplayer on May 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM

The picture in the caption is priceless and says it all!

rjoco1 on May 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM

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