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posted at 9:42 pm on March 24, 2007 by Allahpundit
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“They are just all for it, they think it’s the greatest thing.”


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Can this be far behind?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PpBJhXptXw

lorien1973 on March 24, 2007 at 9:55 PM

“Teens may pledge with the best of intention… and then as they break their pledges they are so shamed and embarrassed that it’s unlikely they will go for help.”

By “help” I’m sure they mean killing the baby.

I have a newborn and I’m going to encourage her chastity in any way I can. It’s never the wrong thing to do the right thing.

Mojave Mark on March 24, 2007 at 9:59 PM

“Purity balls”. It seems like they could have chosen a different name for them.

Kevin M on March 24, 2007 at 10:04 PM

“Purity Balls”? Oh man. This is nice for them and all, and I’m glad to see dads and daughters having close relationships, but this is twenty-seven kinds of creepy.

Abstinance is great and I both advocate and practice it, but what happens on her wedding night when she can’t shake that nagging feeling that she’s “cheating on her dad”? Yeesh.

Bride: “Yeah, it was nice. I just can’t stop thinking about my dad and how much he loves me.”

Groom: “Hmm. Well now neither will I.”

The Apologist on March 24, 2007 at 10:05 PM

Meh… while I dismiss the primary story here as frivolous human (dis)interest claptrap, I pivot upon this passage:

“In what is becoming a trend among conservative Christians in the United States…”

Is this the latest attempt to handcuff the more fanatical and lampoonable among the Christian right with conservatives in general? Methinks. But far be it from me to besmirch the motives of the illustrious Agence France-Presse.

flip on March 24, 2007 at 10:27 PM

“Purity Balls”? Oh man. This is nice for them and all, and I’m glad to see dads and daughters having close relationships, but this is twenty-seven kinds of creepy.

Abstinance is great and I both advocate and practice it, but what happens on her wedding night when she can’t shake that nagging feeling that she’s “cheating on her dad”? Yeesh.

Bride: “Yeah, it was nice. I just can’t stop thinking about my dad and how much he loves me.”

Groom: “Hmm. Well now neither will I.”

The Apologist on March 24, 2007 at 10:05 PM

Amen, too creepy.

Sex happens, and there’s already plenty of guilt attached to it in mainstream Christianity. Why add even more by putting a “Father betrayal” aspect into it?

Teach kids personal responsibility, not behavioral requirements.

infidel4life on March 24, 2007 at 10:29 PM

So is there a similar “Purity Ball” for the mothers to attend with their sons? I am a huge fan of waiting until marriage, however, it always seems, even in the conservative Christian population, that the focus is on the girls. Am I wrong?

doctork on March 24, 2007 at 10:29 PM

I have a similar program, directed towards the males that may want to date my daughter. It’s called “Little Lead Balls”, the shot gun by the front door should prove rather effective.

bbz123 on March 24, 2007 at 10:42 PM

I have a similar program, directed towards the males that may want to date my daughter. It’s called “Little Lead Balls”, the shot gun by the front door should prove rather effective.

Yup.

I’ve never been much of a gun enthusiast. Now that I have a daughter, though, the idea of owning a gun is growing on me.

I hope to follow in the footsteps of my father-in-law, who was carving the stock of a black powder rifle that he was building when I first met him. True story.

Slublog on March 24, 2007 at 10:44 PM

I like it Slublog, adding knives to the mix is a good thing.

bbz123 on March 24, 2007 at 10:49 PM

Enquiries are also pouring in from aboard abroad with organizations or churches in New Zealand, Britain and other countries asking for guidance on how to organize such gatherings.

New Zealand, Britain and other countries are abroad, not aboard…and the media here and abroad are not aboard this idea…

Entelechy on March 24, 2007 at 10:55 PM

I like it Slublog, adding knives to the mix is a good thing.

It certainly scared the s**t out of me.

Still, I think daughters are God’s punishment for being a guy. My little girl is only 1, but I’m already dreading the dating years.

Slublog on March 24, 2007 at 10:56 PM

Hmmm…”Purity Balls”. Shouldn’t that one be for the guys? Seriously, there are similar programs out there that don’t include the creepy dimension of little girls making sexual pledges to their dads. This version seems a bit disturbing.

thedecider on March 24, 2007 at 11:07 PM

People reach reproductive maturity by about fifteen years of age, yet contemporary American orders appear to be set up in such a way that having children is infeasible for another five or ten years. That’s reasonable if one is trying to slow the growth of a population, but not if one’s country is underpopulated to the extent that its unity and the continuity of its way of life is threatened by outsized immigration. The contemporary Americans’ use of technology and religion to put off family, so they can extend job training through age 22 or 25, is fascinating to a theorist, partly because its self-undermining results emerge so slowly that most contemporary Americans don’t perceive the changes.

Kralizec on March 24, 2007 at 11:23 PM

New Zealand, Britain and other countries are abroad, not aboard…and the media here and abroad are not aboard this idea…

Entelechy on March 24, 2007 at 10:55 PM

Heh. Indeed.

Kralizec on March 24, 2007 at 11:26 PM

I hope to follow in the footsteps of my father-in-law, who was carving the stock of a black powder rifle that he was building when I first met him. True story.

When I drove The (not yet) Bride of Monster to her parents home to meet them for the first time, she and her mother thought it would be a great thing for her dad to show me his collection of weapons, including many guns, a bayonet, and even a Japanese Samurai sword he’d picked up during WWII. They claim they had no idea that it would send me any message about not hurting his baby girl.

And they expect me to believe that?

The Monster on March 24, 2007 at 11:31 PM

Creepy, very creepy.

Seems to me fathers should be spending more time with their sons, rather than creating ceremonies about a lifetime decision with daughters. Shame on them for making public comedy about a deeply private issue.

doufree on March 24, 2007 at 11:36 PM

I actually agree with some of these posts. The boys have no responsibility placed upon them. The girls always take the chastity vows. What about the boys? They are expected to behave like animals?

lorien1973 on March 24, 2007 at 11:38 PM

I have a similar program, directed towards the males that may want to date my daughter. It’s called “Little Lead Balls”, the shot gun by the front door should prove rather effective.

bbz123 on March 24, 2007 at 10:42 PM

Okay, it’s a little cultish, but the bottom line is not a bad idea. I don’t have that much of a problem with it.

bbz123, your post reminded me of a line from the movie Clueless that went something like

If anything happens to my daughter, I have a .45 and a shovel. I doubt anyone would miss you.

I always loved that line. I am not a father but I can imagine lots of fathers have said something to that effect a time or two.

Glynn on March 24, 2007 at 11:38 PM

I’ve seen this story before on Fark, its a recycled story. It is creepy. Sorry. It just is. I’m assuming Allah’s itching for a religious flamewar? And no Allah, I don’t have a problem with you, so don’t give me the canned ‘write the boss line’…or the ‘I hereby tender my resignation’ line either.

No, you can’t have a canned snarky reponse, NOT YOURS.

Dunno.

Bad Candy on March 25, 2007 at 12:08 AM

Kralizec, HOTAiR’s Voltaire, makes us reflect in earnest again…

Entelechy on March 25, 2007 at 12:16 AM

In what is becoming a trend among conservative Christians in the United States,

A trend? Am I the only one who is just learning of this now, from AFP?

Of course they had to stick this line of bull in there:

The popularity of the balls in the United States, especially among evangelical Christians, mirrors the Bush administration’s support of abstinence education in US schools. The government’s funding for such initiatives has more than doubled in recent years to 206 million dollars (150 million euros).

They go on to bitch about abstinence teaching. Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why people have a problem with telling kids that abstinence is the only 100% way to not contract disease and get pregnant? I don’t care what their studies show about what happens to kids who make pledges (we all know studies can say whatever they intend to say anyway), it may be true that a huge majority break the pledge. But if anyone thinks that these kids completely oblivious to condoms, etc. and they just go out and start banging people with diseases and impregnating left and right, then you’d have to be retarded.

I’d like to see the stats on all these pledge breakers having kids out of wedlock or abortions, and surging STD rates. You know why they don’t show you those stats? Because the contention is bs.

RightWinged on March 25, 2007 at 12:30 AM

Doesn’t all of this encroach upon the Minor Child – School Nurse – Planned Parenthood trinity?

Stephen M on March 25, 2007 at 12:32 AM

The highlight is when the fathers and daughters exchange vows, with dad signing a covenant to protect his daughter’s chastity by living an unblemished life and the daughter promising not to have sex until marriage.

Just remember, Bill Clinton dis this on a daily basis, while President, but you had to pay……….. You had to pay……….. it only took enough to get you into the “Bedroom” of choice…. Hillary’s approval, but yes, you had to pay…….

PinkyBigglesworth on March 25, 2007 at 12:40 AM

RightWinged, I wouldn’t get too riled up about this. Its just another hit piece to smear evangelicals as snakehandling weirdo religious nutbars. They have no real basis for this article, they found a few awkward religious types and it was too savory for them to not take. Liberal version of carne rojo. Its par for the course for the media.

Bad Candy on March 25, 2007 at 12:42 AM

As a young man, my father offered me this advice: “Keep it in yer pants.”

He was right.

unamused on March 25, 2007 at 12:51 AM

RightWinged, I wouldn’t get too riled up about this. Its just another hit piece to smear evangelicals as snakehandling weirdo religious nutbars. They have no real basis for this article, they found a few awkward religious types and it was too savory for them to not take. Liberal version of carne rojo. Its par for the course for the media.

Bad Candy on March 25, 2007 at 12:42 AM

Yeah, this is definitely the least of my concerns… I just find it odd that if this is such a growing “trend”, I’ve never even heard of it. And I had never articulated my other point for lack of the specific venue. But yeah, I’m definitely not losing sleep over this, it’s retarded.

RightWinged on March 25, 2007 at 1:12 AM

If any of you knuckleheads are still awake, the liberal paranoia here is pretty classic.

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2694333

Mmmm…that’s some tasty crazy.

hopefully that link goes through…

Bad Candy on March 25, 2007 at 1:18 AM

I actually agree with some of these posts. The boys have no responsibility placed upon them. The girls always take the chastity vows. What about the boys? They are expected to behave like animals?

lorien1973 on March 24, 2007 at 11:38 PM

The boys should be servicing divorcees. Its a match made in heaven.

But seriously, does anyone expect their 18+ year old child to remain a virgin to the national averages for marriage? Do you? Did you?

Also, having never been a girl I don’t know how easy it is to refrain from sex but men

Bill C on March 25, 2007 at 1:21 AM

Whoops, hit submit by accident. This topic has got me sooo hot I can’t control my fingers. Back to what I was typing.

, at least me, had a lot harder time living without it. Abstinence might work for younger kids, and you should have no doubt why your son is spending all that time in the bathroom with the SI swimsuit edition, but adults are going to have sex. I just hope to get my kids into adulthood without pregnancy or disease and then let them judge what is best for their lives.

Bill C on March 25, 2007 at 1:25 AM

Securing a pledge from a 10 year old girl that she’ll refrain from sexual relations before marriage makes shooting fish in a barrel look like an Olympic sport by comparison. Ask her again when she’s 16.

PeteRR on March 25, 2007 at 2:02 AM

Bill C, it’s called premature posting nothing to be ashamed of. Happens to the best of

Buzzy on March 25, 2007 at 2:08 AM

I have a 14 year old son. Of course he’s curious about sex, and I’ve had “the conversation” with him, but I didn’t stop with that. I also raised him to be respectful, say yes ma’am and sir. And he knows that he can trust me enough to have open conversations about anything.

He also knows that no matter what happened between me and his mom (my ex) I never raised a hand to her and treated her respectfully, and that I’d kick his ass if I ever hear of him treating a lady otherwise.

I can’t be there 100% of the time, especially as he approaches late teens, early manhood, but I hope the lessons stick.

So, to answer Lorien, YES!!! Fathers (and mothers) should be teaching their sons as well. Some of us are responsible parents and do so.

V5

V5 on March 25, 2007 at 2:09 AM

As for “Purity balls” that’s just F’n Creepy!!

V5 on March 25, 2007 at 2:09 AM

All I know is I’m much more concerned about children catching on fire than I am about them getting pregnant or contracting STDs.

Was I the only one listening to Gore’s speech the other day, when he told us that our babies are not flame-retardant!? Priorities people!

“The planet has a fever. If your baby has a fever, you go to the doctor. If the doctor says you need to intervene here, you don’t say, well I read a science fiction novel that tells me it’s not a problem. If the crib’s on fire, you don’t speculate that the baby is flame-retardant. You take action.”

Wake up world! STDs and pregnancy are small potatoes when you consider our non-flame-retardant babies!!!

What do you mean that wasn’t what he was saying!?

RightWinged on March 25, 2007 at 2:10 AM

She said some 1,400 Purity Balls were held across the United States in 2006, mainly in the south and midwest

Hopefully with the consent of their owners.

Mark Jaquith on March 25, 2007 at 2:25 AM

Mark Jaquith wins the thread!

RightWinged on March 25, 2007 at 2:41 AM

How about this?

When I was 4, my Mom asked me not to smoke or do drugs. My sister said that if I smoked, it would leave a black mark on her soul.

This was ~1974, and I grew up roman catholic.

I still don’t smoke or do drugs.

They left drinking and w++++ng open for me. Thanks!!

Mazztek on March 25, 2007 at 4:48 AM

by the way, my Mom died when I was 5 from lupus.

Mazztek on March 25, 2007 at 4:48 AM

Think and remember this…

There are, in the United States: Over

Three Hundred Milion People.

If something seemingly silly will make someone decide to wait until marriage to have sex, and even wait until financially stable to have a kid…

What’s wrong with that?

Mazztek on March 25, 2007 at 4:55 AM

My balls are always bouncing from the left and to the right.

Mortis on March 25, 2007 at 6:02 AM

Considering they are giving away a date with Valerie Plaume have to wonder if it didnt inspire this.

William Amos on March 25, 2007 at 7:01 AM

Let’s not forget how Islam deals with daughters having sex before marriage. Let’s not forget about the gruesome genital mutilation used as some sort of preventative measure. Now, how creepy is a father-daughter dance really?!

TheBigOldDog on March 25, 2007 at 7:18 AM

Purity balls? I’m just sayin’.

vcferlita on March 25, 2007 at 7:54 AM

Outstanding.

SilverStar830 on March 25, 2007 at 7:54 AM

Purity balls. Wow. Who thought of that Hallmark moment.

Coronagold on March 25, 2007 at 9:06 AM

“I hope you have a hot daughter” is actually a curse I use. So I appreciate some of the nightmares that plague fathers. Still, the public, formal aspect of this is a bit weird, and smacks of over-compensation. If the fathers can’t sit down and have a private discussion with their kids that will stick, having some sort of ceremony certainly won’t get the job done.

Blacklake on March 25, 2007 at 9:45 AM

I agree with others; the piece with its emphasis on “purity balls” looks like a hit-job on evangelicals, making them look weird.

But the idea of chastity pledges makes sense, just as the “What would Jesus do?” bracelets did.

At least you have people bucking the trend of degrading popular culture.

januarius on March 25, 2007 at 9:56 AM

The contemporary Americans’ use of technology and religion to put off family, so they can extend job training through age 22 or 25, is fascinating to a theorist, partly because its self-undermining results emerge so slowly that most contemporary Americans don’t perceive the changes.

Kralizec on March 24, 2007 at 11:23 PM

Although I understand what you’re saying, I disagree with the idea that religion is a cause. “Free Thinkers” (who are usually atheists) and those who would like to see age limits for sexual relations with children removed might agree with you. The most significant cause of putting off child-bearing was the 2nd wave feminist movement. That, coupled with the use of abortion as a method of birth control, as well as birth control itself, has removed responsibility and accountability for sexual behavior. This had the effect of lowering the age when children become sexually active. That is hardly a religious movement, but it certainly has had a detrimental effect on society.

Connie on March 25, 2007 at 10:12 AM

Purity balls creep me out, man.

Makes sense to concentrate on the girls, though. 95% of guys are hopeless sex fiends.

RW Wacko on March 25, 2007 at 10:52 AM

It wouldn’t take a ‘Ball’ if more fathers (and mothers) raised their daughters (and sons) with a healthy amount of shame.

Yesterday I watched ‘Geraldo at Large” – well, the TV was on Fox and it just happened to come on – a segment abput college students making their own porn magazines and websites. The guest student was a girl who stated that yes, she participates, and her parents were “proud” of her entrepreurial undertaking.
I would have liked to have seen her father on the show, backing up her claim.

Blacklake – I want to hear more about that curse.

Tru2my2 on March 25, 2007 at 11:12 AM

Makes sense to concentrate on the girls, though. 95% of guys are hopeless sex fiends.

RW Wacko on March 25, 2007 at 10:52 AM

There was a study in one of Ann Coulter’s books; I can’t remember off hand. They surveyed responses by sexes. A good-looking woman would go up to guys in bars. Something like 70% of guys would be willing to leave immediately and have sex. 0% of women were willing to do the same to a good-looking guy.

There are definitely differences between the sexes.

januarius on March 25, 2007 at 11:13 AM

typos suck. sorry.

Tru2my2 on March 25, 2007 at 11:14 AM

Yesterday I watched ‘Geraldo at Large’’ – well, the TV was on Fox and it just happened to come on

Excuses. That’s when I use my remote. ;)

Connie on March 25, 2007 at 11:31 AM

well, nice thing about havin a boy child is that you only hve to worry about one d*ck. Whe you have a daughter you have to worry about millions!

(sorry, had to tos that old joke in)

Wyrd on March 25, 2007 at 1:53 PM

Now this is some prime weekend red meat. I’m sorry but AP you force me to bite damn it, you’re tactics are “ninja-esque”! Forgive me Allah, for I know not what I do…

This is the type of stuff that drives atheists and psychologists crazy. It should be of no surprise that the #1 reason couples seek marriage and relationship counseling is for problems related to the couples’ sex life. Indoctrinating children against the very natural, human function of sex usually ends up being a reliable contributing factor as to why this happens. But hey don’t take my word for it; check out the APA if you think I’m full of crap. Or check out why teenage pregnancy, divorce rates and anti-depressant use are all so high in my former state of Utah, where pre-marital chastity is pounded into kids as early as possible. Yes, let’s shame and guilt kids into doing what is right! And if we can make it even more pressure packed and guilt ridden by adding in a creepy social pact in front of your peers and family, then let’s do it! That sounds like a good recipe for healthy psychological development, what could go wrong (sarc/obviously)!

I’m sorry but Al Pacino’s line in “The Devil’s Advocate” is just too fitting to let slide here… “Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He’s a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It’s the goof of all time. Look but don’t touch. Touch, but don’t taste. Taste, don’t swallow. Ahaha. And while you’re jumpin’ from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He’s laughin’…” I won’t finish it, but you get the point. However, I’ll leave it at that and expect the rebuke…;)

Roark on March 25, 2007 at 2:02 PM

Indoctrinating children against the very natural, human function of sex usually ends up being a reliable contributing factor as to why this happens. But hey don’t take my word for it; check out the APA if you think I’m full of crap.

Roark on March 25, 2007 at 2:02 PM

Anyone with common sense doesn’t believe a thing the APA says. There is no indoctrination against sex. Waiting until your brain catches up with your body is a good thing. Unfortunately, for some that never occurs.

Connie on March 25, 2007 at 2:29 PM

Not related to sex (maybe), only to balls…

A jewel for good laughs is the booklet “English well speeched here”. On the topic of balls:

Carnival season in Vienna:
THIS IS THE TIME OF YEAR WHEN THE FIREMEN, THE POLICEMEN, THE LAWYERS AND THE DOCTORS ALL ASSEMBLE TO HOLD THEIR BALLS

Entelechy on March 26, 2007 at 12:00 AM

You will all just have to excuse me, but your judgemental comments on this topic are insipid.

I would not have subjected my daughter to a public ceremony of this nature, but she has been wearing a “promise” ring since she biologically entered the ranks of womanhood.

She has been taught in a very old-fashioned way. She will not more than hold hands with a boy (and that only in a public, chaperoned setting), with whom she is not engaged to marriage. She believes in that, so she certainly will not destroy the mystery and romance of the marriage bed through pre-marital sex. Her mother and I have not tried to scare her about this topic, that’s a fool’s errand. Instead, she has been taught that the physical acts of marriage are wonderful, sacred gifts to be exchanged only between those who have made a lifetime commitment to each other.

Why girls? Because they are the ones to say no. Unfair? Perhaps, but the facts are the facts. The very reason this sort of purity ceremony is being done today is because society is trying everything in its power to make girls feel guilty if they don’t put out. And some of you who have commented in step with that sentiment should be ashamed. Allowing ourselves to be ruled by our appetites, and then claiming that it’s only natural, is the weakness in man that leads to the destruction of society, and has been throughout history, some commenters’ existentialist swill notwithstanding.

I have a son also, and he is taught the same things about romance and marriage, but he is taught something else. Respect, very strong respect, for all women. I have exactly as much expectation that he will remain innocent until his wedding night that I have for my daughter. I’m not in the habit of deluding myself, and I believe that they both have an excellent chance of accomplishing that goal. Would I be able to even hope for such if I “went along with society”? No, of course no.

We don’t pound shame and guilt into our children’s heads, we show them how much better life is when you do it right. We give them good reasons to make the right choice, not dishonestly scary reasons not to make the wrong choice.

Above all else, they know that they are God’s creation, and that His way always leads to the greater blessings. Roark, the thing you forget about the Al Pacino character is that he is the Father of Lies, and all of that garbage about “look, don’t touch, touch, don’t taste…” was just that, lies. That’s not what God does and anyone who allows themselves to believe such is already on Satan’s hook.

Anyway, I’ll finish as I started. All of you who judge these families who take a devoted, active interest in their daughter’s purity as kooks and scary, but who watch shows like Family Guy, take a long, long look in a mirror.

Freelancer on March 26, 2007 at 3:58 AM

Kralizec, HOTAIR’s Voltaire, makes us reflect in earnest again…

Entelechy on March 25, 2007 at 12:16 AM

Thanks, Entelechy. I don’t mind “writing into the void” most of the time, but it’s good to find a comment now and then that lets me know this stuff is actually being read and sometimes appreciated. By the way, as it happens, I haven’t read Voltaire yet and thus only know him by reputation. Since there’s undoubtedly more at stake than the rhyme with “Hotair,” you’ve made me curious about him.

Kralizec on April 5, 2007 at 11:22 AM

For Connie (March 25, 2007 at 10:12 AM): Thanks for the thoughtful reply and the chance to clarify. I’m not particularly picking on religion. I especially agree that the ten- to twenty-year delay from puberty to family isn’t the result of a religious movement in particular. Instead, I think religion has been used as just one contra-reproductive technique of at least three.

Kralizec on April 5, 2007 at 11:38 AM

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