NOLA residents arming up
posted at 11:25 am on March 24, 2007 by Bryan
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Can you blame them? Katrina proved that anarchy will be stoked by local and state elected officials when crisis strikes. It’s better to be able to defend yourself, than not.
Sixty-four-year-old Vivian Westerman rode out Hurricane Katrina in her 19th-century house. So terrible was the experience that she wanted two things before the 2006 season arrived: a backup power source and a gun. “I got a 6,000-watt generator and the cutest little Smith & Wesson, snub-nose .38 you ever saw,” she boasted. “I’ve never been more confident.” People across New Orleans are arming themselves - not only against the possibility of another storm bringing anarchy, but against the violence that has engulfed the metropolitan area in the 19 months since Katrina, making New Orleans the nation’s murder capital.
The “cutest little Smith & Wesson…” My kind of lady.
Requests for concealed carry permits are up. Time at shooting ranges is up (true gun control at work, that). Gun sales are brisk. And it all makes absolute sense.
“People are in fear of their lives. They’re looking for ways to feel safe again,” said Mike Roniger, manager of Gretna Gunworks in Jefferson Parish.
They have every reason to be.
Citizens, the tourism industry, police and politicians officials have been alarmed by the wave of killings in New Orleans, with 162 in 2006 and 37 so far this year. A Tulane University study put the city’s 2006 homicide rate at 96 slayings per 100,000 people, the highest in the nation.
National Guardsmen and state police are patrolling the streets of New Orleans. In neighboring Jefferson Parish, which posted a record 66 homicides in 2006, the sheriff sent armored vehicles to protect high-crime neighborhoods.
It’s a quagmire. We should obviously have the National Guard retreat to bases and stand aside while the violence takes its course, right, Hillary? No?
Well, this is America, and the South at that. Normal folks don’t succumb to wanton violence easily.
Westerman, an artist who lives in the city’s Algiers neighborhood, is prepared to use deadly force.
“I’m a marksman now. I know what I’m doing,” she said. “There are a lot of us. The girl next door is a crack shot.”
“The girl next door is a crack shot..” Sexy.
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Not going anywhere near that last line, nope,must maintain dignity.
bbz123 on March 24, 2007 at 11:33 AM
“…but against the violence that has engulfed the metropolitan area in the 19 months since Katrina, making New Orleans the nation’s murder capital.”
New Orleans has been the nation’s murder capital off and on for over decades. Katrina did more to solve the problem than create it.
Kevin M on March 24, 2007 at 11:34 AM
over 3 decades, I meant.
Kevin M on March 24, 2007 at 11:34 AM
“People are in fear of their lives. They’re looking for ways to feel safe again,” said Mike Roniger, manager of Gretna Gunworks in Jefferson Parish.
The first thing to feeling safe is to replace the mayor and governor.
bopbottle on March 24, 2007 at 11:41 AM
This is ridiculous!
The cost that America is paying to secure New Orleans is too great. We lost the peace. We need to redeploy, get our troops out of there now! We need a phase withdrawal immediately!
/Murtha
Bad Candy on March 24, 2007 at 11:41 AM
May God help those poor people. Their government has failed them. Miserably.
Gun control: hitting in the 10 ring.
Zorro on March 24, 2007 at 11:43 AM
Amen. That is the only kind of gun control that I favor.
Bryan on March 24, 2007 at 11:44 AM
I can certainly relate to Westerman and the other citizens of NOLA. This past January we had a major ice storm here in SW MO that knocked out the power for most of the almost 200,000 residence, some for as long as 20 days. We had crime go up here to. No murders that I know of but evacuated homes being broken into, generators and other items being stolen in broad day light and a little price gouging. Not comparable to NOLA by any means since only a few homes were slightly damaged but people do crazy things when there is no power. So I am now the proud owner of a 6,000 watt generator which is enough to power most of my home, but I still need a cute little snub-nose myself.
kahall on March 24, 2007 at 11:46 AM
kahall on March 24, 2007 at 11:46 AM
Snub-nose pistols are ok but I favor a longer barrel for better accuracy a bit further down range. I really enjoy my Browning Hi-Power 9mm and my H-K Model 23 .45cal.
Zorro on March 24, 2007 at 11:54 AM
Thats a big Ditto here bopbottle!!!!
That area needs a “ethnic” cleansing in a number of ways. And pouring more “Billions” at the problem is NOT the answer.
auspatriotman on March 24, 2007 at 12:14 PM
What we are seeing is a natural reaction when govt breaks down and abandons its citizens. During the LA Rodney King Riots when the police withdrew it was only the armed citizen that protects oneself. Now residents in NO know that when it hits the fan you better be able to protect your family and property.
And just like in LA the authorities went after legally owned guns the NO Police did the same if you all recall. Even after a judge ruled what they were doing (the police) was illegal.
The 2nd amendment is as vibrant today as when ir was written.
robo on March 24, 2007 at 12:14 PM
Katrina’s 30-foot storm surge, had it gone through N.O. instead of thirty miles east, would have resulted in a body count in the tens of thousands of victims. I hope no one is foolish enough to remain after a mandatory evacuation is issued, having either shotgun in lap or a restored faith in FEMA should it ever get it’s crap together.
shuzilla on March 24, 2007 at 12:19 PM
Good advice for people in New Orleans or anywhere else. (Slight language warning)
Never forget that anyone who wants to take away your right and ability to defend yourself and your family is the enemy.
ReubenJCogburn on March 24, 2007 at 12:20 PM
Bryan
Have you seen this?
Also, check out what’s on main sidebar ;) Nice work!
TheBigOldDog on March 24, 2007 at 12:20 PM
Don’t worry –Mayor Bloomberg will take care of all of this.
People have a right to defend themselves,period. I will do whatever is necessary to protect my love ones if attacked or threatened. And I really don’t give a damn who likes it or who doesn’t.
tomk59 on March 24, 2007 at 12:20 PM
YUP, I never leave home without down here in NOLA, but the storm had nothing to do with that decision. Like my Retired Baltimore City Cop father told me, it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
joeswampy on March 24, 2007 at 12:29 PM
This is a perfect example of what our “throwing money at the problem” government accomplishes when they fixate on handouts rather than going in and ripping out the root of the problem.
wryteacher on March 24, 2007 at 12:33 PM
Back to the American way! When the governments can’t help ya! Help your self! Best deterrent to crime is well trained armed citizens!
BB
Drtuddle on March 24, 2007 at 12:33 PM
Pfff. . A Winchester model 1300 Defender,
And a Glock model 23. 40 cal and Colt AR15
just to start with.
: )
Texyank on March 24, 2007 at 12:49 PM
NOLA set a precedent with the confiscation of legal weapons. They knew it was illegal but that did not stop them. People that deny the right to self defense should be jailed.
infidel on March 24, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Ok living here on Long Island, not so high crime area, but it does exist. Should I be owning something? I guess owning a pistol will be just a PITA to deal with bureaucracy wise, but in general? I don’t want to depend on gov’t to defend me, but they will be the first people I probably will call. Just some thoughts.
StuLongIsland on March 24, 2007 at 1:08 PM
Police will always show up if someone calls, just in time to outline your body with white tape.
infidel on March 24, 2007 at 1:13 PM
Winchester 44-40 for squirrel hunting. Glock 40 for everything else. Oh yeah, a WWI British Enfield for the heck of it. Damn I forgot about the M1911 and the 308.
Good for NOLA and good for America. Gunpowder makes government respect it’s citizens.
Limerick on March 24, 2007 at 1:19 PM
StuLongIsland on March 24, 2007 at 1:08 PM
Yep. I am not some survivalist freak. Love the cops. Both my parents were cops. But disaster….earthquake, hurricane, left-tard riots….I want something more then a Louisville slugger to put by the front door. The cops in a disaster are going to be overwhelmed…better be able to look out after yourself until Dirty Harry can show up.
Limerick on March 24, 2007 at 1:23 PM
It is a great idea to get a gun to defend yourself and your family. We could have another crisis at any time, be it natural or terrorist-related.
Bryan’s quote above reminds me how Democrats and the media actually wanted the situation in New Orleans to get worse. They were hoping for more chaos, just as they hope for terrorists to kill our troops–in order to benefit Democrats and hurt President Bush. Of course, they will try to do the same thing again if a crisis occurs when a Republican is president.
Therefore, it is wise to get a gun and learn how to use it.
januarius on March 24, 2007 at 1:39 PM
That may be too harsh, but they sure act gleeful when they report American troops being killed in Iraq. They will try to make a crisis worse if another one happens.
januarius on March 24, 2007 at 1:41 PM
A week and a half after Katrina when things started opening up again I bought a couple of Glock 17s - my hands are too small for anything larger. My husband and teenage daughter also have handguns and are excellent shots - we’re currently shooting right hand against left (and even though we’re all righties, we shoot better with the left - can any gun experts explain this?) and we normally leave a big hole where the ten ring used to be. All thanks to Katrina.
There is absolutely zero, repeat ZERO, chance that we’re going to surrender our guns if anyone asks. You have no idea how even people like us, who were not gun owners before Katrina, received the news of those confiscations. Mad doesn’t begin to cover it.
Laura on March 24, 2007 at 1:44 PM
I doubt she’d need anything with more barrel than a snubnosed revolver for what she bought it for. Its decent for concealiblilty, and my guess its there if someone tries to mug her or break into her home, so she isn’t gonna need much range.
Bad Candy on March 24, 2007 at 1:45 PM
By the way, Bush took that PR hit - continues to take it - but he made sure it’s not going to happen again. It’s a good deal easier for the President to declare martial law now.
Laura on March 24, 2007 at 1:47 PM
Laura….eyes…
My eyes are DNA impaired (i blame mama)….my left if better then my right.. but my right hand is useful while my left might as well be a club. I have all my sigths cranked to the extreme to make up for the problem. I just hope that someone with good eyes never picks up one of my weapons and tries to hit the target. They will miss by a mile.
Limerick on March 24, 2007 at 1:49 PM
Kralizec is everywhere at all times, but the man named Kralizec is mortal and, although I live in a neighborhood that’s quite safe most of the time, it’s in a city in which good order has broken down completely in recent memory. It’s good to be prepared, and preparations can always be better.
So I’d like others’ informed opinions on three things. (1) What do you think is the small firearm that best combines sufficient stopping power; safety; ease of concealment, maintenance, and use; and moderate cost? (2) What do you think is the firearm for home defense that has the best combination of the attributes just listed? Assume a dwelling above the ground floor, overlooking an interior courtyard. (3) What recommendations do you have regarding armor?
Kralizec on March 24, 2007 at 1:54 PM
Weapons? No weapons here. Would not dream of it. I’m all about love, fluffy clouds and cute kittens. The hills have eyes. The second amendment exists only on paper.
Buck Turgidson on March 24, 2007 at 2:17 PM
Great to see Laura up and around today. Here’s hoping things went well for you last week and you’re feeling well. You are one feisty lady.
Buck Turgidson on March 24, 2007 at 2:24 PM
Don’t get a Glock if you care about safety - there isn’t one. (Unless you keep it unloaded, which is of course useless.) Actually the lack of a safety is one of the reasons I like it, but then my daughter’s a teenager and she learned to shoot when I did.
Laura on March 24, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Buck, waiting on the results. I’ll post when I know more… but I’m sure it’s all good. :-) Thanks.
Laura on March 24, 2007 at 2:34 PM
I’m so disappointed. All this time I’ve pictured you with a cape and sword. lol!
Connie on March 24, 2007 at 2:44 PM
The gun grab won’t happen again:
Valiant on March 24, 2007 at 2:56 PM
Valiant on March 24, 2007 at 2:56 PM
the sad part is we should need either law….seems like the 2nd Amendment ought to be plenty.
Limerick on March 24, 2007 at 3:00 PM
shouldn’t
Limerick on March 24, 2007 at 3:01 PM
Thank God for the 2nd Amendment and those smart enough to exercise it. I know plenty of sheeple who think owning a gun is the most horrible thing in the world but I know I sleep better at night knowing my trusty Kimber 1911 is close by.
Yakko77 on March 24, 2007 at 3:02 PM
It wasn’t just the cops. The National Guard did it too, I’ve seen the video and I’m trying to find it now. I remember one soldier saying something to the effect that he couldn’t believe he was taking away American’s guns.
Laura on March 24, 2007 at 3:08 PM
My younger sister has a Smith & Wesson Model 686 with 4″ barrel. .357 mag. Plenty of stopping power, leave one chamber empty (for the hammer to rest on, safely), stainless steel (for minimal maintenance). A new one should cost no more than $750. Yeah, that’s a little high but it’s not a Saturday night special. Properly cared for that weapon will last decades.
Great, I’m still laughing too. No, no cape or sword, just an old call sign.
Zorro on March 24, 2007 at 3:09 PM
Here’s the video - not exactly as I remembered it but pretty close.
Laura on March 24, 2007 at 3:19 PM
Vivian is an artist, eh? Not your typical gun toting type. I wonder if she is a recent convert?
bloggless on March 24, 2007 at 3:46 PM
For home defense, all you need is a pump action shotgun. Just the Ka-Chak sound will scare 99.9% of criminals away.
Valiant on March 24, 2007 at 3:57 PM
A queston for you Glock 23 owners. Have you seen any case failures yet? I hear that Glock .40 S&W pistols have a higher than normal rate of case failures than most .40 S&W guns do. I’ve heard that the issue of case failures for the .40 S&W, being higher than either the 9 MM or the .45 ACP is one reason why the military hasn’t adopted it.
On the subject of the gub’ment confiscating guns during an emergency: I have no doubt that irrespective of whatever laws are on the books, I expect that the government will ignore them and try to grab them the next time some disaster occurs. The justification will be to “keep order.”
georgej on March 24, 2007 at 4:21 PM
“For home defense, all you need is a pump action shotgun”
True, the “Ka-Chak” sound of the pump jacking a shell into the chamber is one of the most unique and threatening sounds that a burglar does NOT want to hear.
But a shotgun can be unwieldly inside a small room or at close range.
georgej on March 24, 2007 at 4:23 PM
Kralizec, as long as its a good quality weapon that you can handle well, any handgun will do. Your best bet is to head down to the local range and start talking to people there. Fire a few different guns in different sizes and calibers.
I’m partial to larger calibers with hotter loads, but I’ve been hunting since I was 12 and my previous profession involved firearms. Start with something that you can hit the target consistently with first. All the lead in the world don’t matter if you cant hit your intended target. 9mm and .38’s are popular because they are easier to shot then the .357/.45/.44 et al.
opusrex on March 24, 2007 at 4:32 PM
My Glock 22 is a great weapon. But the real fear comes when the
misguided personPOS hears the racking sound of my Remington 870. Dang how I love 00 buck. Come on in boys the party just started.SPIFF1669 on March 24, 2007 at 4:36 PM
That’s why you need to saw it off. What’s that? It’s illegal? Who knew!
jaleach on March 24, 2007 at 5:18 PM
Kralizec, the range I go to rents a variety of handguns so you can try out various types and see what’s comfortable.
Laura on March 24, 2007 at 6:05 PM
I agree with the need for a gun. I have my 60-year-old mother carry one with her at all times in L.A.
But nothing is more proactive against crime than two 100lb+ dogs. I’ve seen my labs corner fence-jumpers in my back yard and have no doubt they’d take a bullet for me and my family.
That said, I prefer a pump-action shotgun. It may be cumbersome in a small space, but most handguns won’t allow you to be bleary-eyed and inaccurate in a crisis and still blow the bad guy’s leg clean off.
unamused on March 24, 2007 at 6:31 PM
Frantic Freddie on March 24, 2007 at 7:57 PM
We had a gun shop here in Houston actually using the increased crime rate from the NOLA evacuees as a selling point. I’m guessing sales increased.
SailorDave on March 24, 2007 at 8:14 PM
Frantic Freddie? From ODB?
Barntender on March 24, 2007 at 8:50 PM
Dunno ODB,Bartender,I frequent the EPF.
Frantic Freddie on March 24, 2007 at 8:52 PM
The first thing to being safe is to understand that elected officials aren’t going to protect you.
The second thing to being safe is to take responsibility for your own safety.
The third is to purchase a firearm.
AZ_Redneck on March 24, 2007 at 8:57 PM
I disagree. Citizens in NOLA and elsewhere handed them right over. There were no firefights to sieze them.
Americans in large portions have abdicated their responsibility for self government. Moreover, most citizens do not understand that our rights are inalienable. You can’t even give up your rights.
Remember the so called “assault weapon ban”. They want to bring it back. If Americans want to remain free, they will stop things like this -> http://www.gunowners.org/a012307.htm
To quote Jeffery Snyder, “We are a nation of cowards”. I think people will give them up their weapons by the hundreds.
AZ_Redneck on March 24, 2007 at 9:10 PM
Sorry, Freddie. You looked like someone else I know. Good call on the empty cylinder thing. Transfer bar safeties (or similar) are used on most modern revolvers.
Barntender on March 24, 2007 at 9:13 PM
With new ammo, never. Reloads from a G23 … yep. A gunsmith explained some technical detail to me, but it boiled down to - Don’t reload cases fired from a G23.
AZ_Redneck on March 24, 2007 at 9:15 PM
My wife carries a stainless GP100 Ruger in .357.
Can’t carry them in your jacket though.
AZ_Redneck on March 24, 2007 at 9:18 PM
No prob,Bartender (love the nic,ex-pro musician,lotta time in bars).
I have a Model 10-7 from the 80s,pre-dates transfer bars,but it’s still safe to carry with all chambers loaded.
The wife & I have a fine arrangement: I prefer my 1911 & shoot it better than a revolver.She don’t like the autos,but she’ll nail the 10-ring every time with the 686.
Bottom line is,shoot what you shoot well & are comfortable with.
Frantic Freddie on March 24, 2007 at 9:29 PM
I have a Browning B-92 Centennial lever action in .44mag, and it is a blast (so to speak)…
Zorro on March 24, 2007 at 9:48 PM
Using Dhemocrat logic…
We need to stop all this crime right now! We’re going to redeploy all of the police officers to Texas THAT will achieve peace in New Orleans.
Mojave Mark on March 24, 2007 at 9:56 PM
Sorry guys, I don’t own any revlovers, you can tell how up to date I am! For handguns, just semi-autos, Colts, Walthers, Browning, H-K.
Zorro on March 24, 2007 at 10:05 PM
Zorro,get yourself a 22 revolver,Taurus,Ruger,S&W (in order of price),they’re too much fun & you can use specialty loads.
Frantic Freddie on March 24, 2007 at 10:16 PM
I’m saying it won’t happen twice, AZ. We didn’t get back until 10 days after that storm on an advanced permit, and the first thing we did was get hold of some chainsaws and handguns. We barely put the chainsaws down for two weeks, and it turned out we didn’t need the guns but we were glad to have them. I know people who did need them. It was eerie around here. Dead quiet, not even any birds, trees stripped bare if they were still standing… The rage everybody felt when we heard about the gun grab was unbelievable. Most people had never felt that unsafe before, and to learn that the ability to defend ourselves was being taken away, well, the mood was ugly. And still is. Next time, if there is one, someone is going to get hurt.
Laura on March 24, 2007 at 10:37 PM
If you guys want gun info, check out the gun forums sponsored by Guns and Ammo magazine. Lots of good info for folks who are new to guns.
Freddie, that’s where I thought I knew you from. Guy over there goes by the same name.
Barntender on March 24, 2007 at 11:31 PM
Stealing is a violation of the property-owner’s rights. “Price gouging” is a made-up crime, which is itself a violation of the rights of people to do business with whom they want under mutually-agreed terms.
It’s another attempt to interfere with the laws of supply and demand, which not only doesn’t solve the problem it pretends to address, and actually makes it worse.
After a hurricane hit Florida, an enterprising individual bought a bunch of generators up north, rented a truck, drove down to the affected area and started selling generators to people who were quite happy to pay his prices. Then the cops put him in jail and the truck full of generators in impound.
How it can be a crime for him to sell generators that wouldn’t even have been in the state without his efforts is beyond my comprehension. But I’m sure that a ‘compassionate’ person will be happy to explain it to me, just like one jumped up to defend the minimum wage a few days ago.
The Monster on March 25, 2007 at 12:07 AM
Buck, to answer your question to what gun to get…it depends. Are you going to use it only in your house? Do you live in a house or apartment? Are you going to practice a lot or just empty a box of ammo and then stash it? To wit:
1. Shotgun. A 12 gauge shotgun loaded with #1 buck or #00 buck is a fairly decent killer at under 30 yards. It is also preferable in close knit neighborhoods and apartments. Contrary to popular belief, all firearms can penetrate sheet rock. Know your back stop and your fields of fire. con: shotguns are fairly long and can be very intimidating in the hands of a small person. If the gun is too powerful, you will not practice. You can always buy a youth model or a 20 gauge if you are smaller. prices around 200 dollars for a good mossberg.
2. Rifle: A military cartridge chambered rifle would make an excellent single weapon for any household. The cartridges are specifically designed to kill 2 legged predators and under 100 yards, even the m4 is fairly effective. cons: Serious long range penetration. If you live in a suburb or apartment do not get one!!!, Price: between 150 for an SKS to 1400 dollars for a serious Socom II.
3. Pistol: Anything above .32 caliber will make a good defense weapon. Dont believe the super duper killer rounds hype. Unless you hit a critical area (CNS or heart) you will have to fire multiple rounds while moving to cover. These are pistol rounds. not powerful enough to dismember or instantly kill anyone (unless you hit the aforementioned areas) Great to carry ad conceal. inexpensive ammunition. cons: YOU MUST PRACTICE!!!! An automatic weapon has safeties and levers and such. You have to practice loading, unloading and deploying until it becomes second nature. At 3 in the morning is no time to try to remember what lever thingy you need to push to take the safety off. price: 200-2000 dollars. Taurus and Glocks are the best bang for your buck right now. Springfield XDs are a bit more expensive but worth it.
4. Revolver: The benefits of a pistol with few of the drawbacks. No levers or thingys to remember. You can load it, put it in a drawer for 100 years, pull it out and pull the trigger and it works. Low ammunition capacity makes them less useful than autos, but preferred for people who wont practice. .38 - .44 caliber are very effective. Taurus revolvers, specially in stainless steel are the most bang for your buck
5. TRAINING: the best weapon you can possibly get is useless unless you know how to use it. Get some training, your life might depend on it. Suarez International is the best training academy for civies in the world today.
rarbolay on March 25, 2007 at 12:56 AM
Oh….I forgot the rifle recommendations. An SKS or AKM for areas where GFW don’t bother you, or a lever action rifle in 30-30, 44 or 45LC in other areas where EVIL guns are not allowed. Lever actions made by winchester are seriously overpriced these days (no longer made), but you can get one made by Taurus that will do the job quite well.
rarbolay on March 25, 2007 at 1:13 AM
Laura,
Slight nitpick…
You would be correct if you said a Glock does not have an external thumb activated safety switch.
However
Glocks do have 3 safeties to protect against….
1. Unintended trigger operation
2. Striker Safety (firing pin can not hit primer unless trigger is pulled).
3. Drop Safety - Gun will not go off if it is dropped.
That said the main safety on a Glock is the holders brain and his/her own finger.
Rule #2 with all firearms is…
ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
I keep my G21 locked and loaded ready to go. I have never had an accidental or negligent discharge with it.
F15Mech on March 25, 2007 at 3:01 AM
Isn’t all this George W. Bush’s fault, the guy who is a stupid idiot, yet is so devious, such as criminal, diabolical genius that he masterminded wars, taking over countries, attacks against our own nation and made it look like Islamic Jihadis did it, masterminded the engineering of his electoral victories, and so on?
Yeah. Chalk another one up to George W. Bush, who created Hurricane Katrina, destroyed New Orleans with his super human powers, attacking only black people (what a diabolical, all-powerful genius, and what amazing powers!), and manipulating everything that happens.
Truly, not a leaf falls even a fraction of an inch from a tree without George W. Bush’s will, nor does a person take a single breath, or bat an eye lash without George W. Bush’s Supreme Power and Knowledge!
William
William2006 on March 25, 2007 at 4:26 AM
It is not Bush but Karl Rove that is the magnificent bastard that makes the world turn as you described.
That being said you point still has some merit.
F15Mech on March 25, 2007 at 4:53 AM
rarbolay on March 25, 2007 at 12:56 AM - Points 1 thru 5
Well said and good advise. As a member of the NRA, I’d add a visit to their website as well.
And Frantic Freddie, I think I’ll take your advise and look for .22cal revolver! Does anyone have .17cal??? That’s on my list as well. I hear they may be a little more accurate than the .22mag rifle (turtle popper)!
Zorro on March 25, 2007 at 7:24 AM
Ruger & Taurus make .17 revolvers.I prefer the 22,have a Taurus 94 stainless,it’ll shoot the Agula Colibri loads (primer-powered,super quiet for backyard pests),shotshells (small snakes & mice) & of course all other 22 loads,except the Mag.
For something different,check out North American Arms’ mini-revolvers.
Frantic Freddie on March 25, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Dittos
Glock 23 locked & loaded.
Ya don’t touch the trigger unless willing to shot. . .
I don’t want to fumble with a safety if I EVER
have to use it.
Texyank on March 25, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Thanks for the correction. I’m a noob - these are my first guns. I love it though. Mother-daughter time now means a trip to the range and four boxes each. :-)
Laura on March 25, 2007 at 3:24 PM
The best home defense weapon is the 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot. Remingtons 870 and Mossbergs 590 are best for the home protection task.
I personally own a Mossberg Persuader 590 for home use and really like the new Ruger P345 compact 45 auto for mobile protection.
ScottyDog on March 27, 2007 at 12:47 AM