Nice. Welcome to Big Fat Lardy McPorkfest 2007.
The Article on CNN
What’s on the Menu (could you pass the swineflesh?)
The President:
The Synopsis:

McGovenment: I’m lovin’ it!
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Its coming, Ive been saying it for about two years now… Its coming..

Viper1 on March 23, 2007 at 7:41 PM
If it IS coming, when it arrives it’ll be shortlived. We’re the ones who are armed.

Laura on March 23, 2007 at 8:47 PM

Don’t be ridiculous. There’s not going to be a civil war in America. All the latent civil aggression in America is channelled into political discourse. It won’t translate into violence. Are any of you here seriously saying you’re going to kill your fellow Americans over a political disagreement? Considering that the moonbats are unarmed (as Laura said) this is doubly ridiculous. Some of you are suffering from war fever, go and lie down a while.

Bush’s speech yesterday on video, if you missed it. Hot AirMassachusetts shows us how to do it right. WizbangDaddy government and Mommy government. One Cosmos. Transference is strong stuff, isn’t it?Kristol and Kagan. Wrong on Timetables. Weekly Stan…

ReubenJCogburn and Jen the Neocon, don’t you mean Liszt’s Liebestraum? Note the spelling of Liebestraum too…

Entelechy on March 24, 2007 at 2:04 PM

No doubt you are correct, Entelechy–I was working the Lebensraum angle, and have no expertise as far as Chopin or Liszt. (Which will surprise no one, I’m sure. Heh.) Thank you for the correction. So the edited version would be:

All I have to say is, if we can’t mention Liszt’s piano works at rallies, then the terrorists have won.

Reuben

First, I am not a liberal, just not a flame throwing neocon. Yes, I get confused as I was in a hurry, but you got the point. There are 100’s of millions of Arabs and Muslims, and most are peaceful and religious – it is ridiculous to make claims and overheated rhetoric as jen does – seeing that you are tacticly endorsing her comments you must be another who thinks that truth and justice and democracy at the end of a gun will stop factional fighting half a world away.

EricPWJohnson on March 24, 2007 at 12:14 PM

Ah, I see–you’re not a liberal. Because so many people who aren’t liberals use terms like “flame throwing neocon” as an epithet. Right. Well, if you aren’t a liberal, you manage to sound just like one. Especially when you call people names like that and then accuse jen of using “overheated rhetoric”–that adds an element of hypocrisy without which no liberal rant would be complete. Bravo.

As for me “tacticly” endorsing her comments–while I am capable of supporting her tactically, I’m going to assume that you meant “tacitly”. But if it’ll make you
feel better for me to be explicit about my position, yes, I do indeed embrace the goal of victory in Iraq rather than defeat. You’d be amazed what can be accomplished by the most powerful military and the best-trained personnel in the history of the world–assuming, of course, that the civilians sitting safe on their butts back at home will actually support and fund them. That’s the problem with the Democrats’ “Defeat, Surrender, and Pork” bill–it expresses liberals’ commitment to defeat at all costs in Iraq, regardless of the consequences, not to mention playing political games with the lives of the troops in the field. Any of which should be unthinkable to any decent American.

As for “truth and justice and democracy at the end of a gun”–wait, don’t those U.N. “peacekeepers” you’re such a big fan of carry guns? Yesterday that was your magical solution to Iraq, having the Useless Nations take over in our place. So how is it different if they pacify Iraq with soldiers than if we pacify Iraq with soldiers? Well, other than the fact that the U.N. is a joke, and will cut and run at the first sign of opposition. No wonder Democrats admire them so much.

Ah…how times changes. It seems like only yesterday Democrats were riping Republican majority leader, Tom Delay’s use of brides and threats to get spending bills passed in the US House….

First, I am not a liberal, just not a flame throwing neocon. Yes, I get confused as I was in a hurry, but you got the point. There are 100’s of millions of Arabs and Muslims, and most are peaceful and religious – it is ridiculous to make claims and overheated rhetoric as jen does – seeing that you are tacticly endorsing her comments you must be another who thinks that truth and justice and democracy at the end of a gun will stop factional fighting half a world away.

Spain turned after terror attacks. America is to be next? Come on you damned liberal bastards in Congress, you’re showing that you’re not liberals, that you’re hateful of your own country. Wake the hell up Congress and vote FOR an American VICTORY, not a sissy-tail-between-our-legs retreat.

I can’t believe the audacity of some Americans… er Congress-critters to think that they can do this to our fighting men, and their own country.

SouthernDem on March 24, 2007 at 12:18 AM

We won’t hunt you down, SouthernDem–you support the troops and our country. If traditional Democrats like you still controlled your party, the U.S. would be united against the jihadis, and we’d be redeploying our victorious troops home by now. Unfortunately the terrorist-enabling America-hating liberals are calling the shots in Congress these days, and have been undermining the war effort ever since they authorized it. But have a good time at Bristol anyway.

And you’re welcome, Jen–it’s all part of the service. I do try to maintain the ability to laugh in the face of adversity. Because adversity hates that.

Now, Congress (with a small number of exceptions) is basically filled with cowards, so the best chance is that Pelosi et al will choose “the better part of valor”. But that will be an enormous political defeat for them – by staging this political “victory”, they have raised the political costs of doing the right thing (funding the troops without ludicrous conditions and operational deadlines).

So, I wish I could be as optimistic as some here that this is going to work out. The fact is, now the Democrats in House will have to find a way to climb down, and if the two sides can never agree in Washington, the bad guys are going to win in Iraq.

The other problem I see is that the Dems have staked out an advantageous negotiating position. They have put everything they want into the bill, and they can take out plenty of things in the name of “bipartisanship” while still leaving fundamentally unacceptable restrictions. If they remove 90% of the nonsense, Bush still has to veto the bill because the remainder would establish a precedent for these kinds of provisions that no President can accept in wartime. If the Democrats make lots of concessions but don’t pass a clean bill, the Leftmedia will obviously spin it so Bush is the one to blame for the escalating crisis.

All I’m saying is, don’t assume that this is going to work out in the end…if the new security operations continue to succeed, the Democrats will be increasingly desperate. They may decide that the political fallout from defeat is easier to manage (since they can blame Bush) than the political fallout (for them) from victory.

Jen,

Also spare me your self righteous driviling western civilization nonsense…..

You sound exactly like a guy who mentioned lieberstraum at a rally

This is hilarious! What are you talking about here? “Lieberstraum” is an etude of Chopin’s…I guess we are fighting to preserve the wonderful piano music of Chopin, too.

Did you possibly intend a Nazi reference here? I think the song name you’re looking for is “Horst Wessel,” the beer hall putscht anthem of the Sturm Abteilung, because….(wait for it) “Bush is Hitler, ya wohl?”

Jen the Neocon on March 24, 2007 at 1:36 AM

Yeah, I think he meant Lebensraum. But you know how annoyed liberals get when you present them with facts. All I have to say is, if we can’t mention Chopin etudes at rallies, then the terrorists have won.

McCrery is our rep and voted against it.
Bradky

I’ll be paying a personal visit to McCrery’s office in the morning.A hand delivered thank-you not.
By the way Laura,Landrieu doenst give a crap.Never has,never will.

Jen,

Also spare me your self righteous driviling western civilization nonsense…..

You sound exactly like a guy who mentioned lieberstraum at a rally

This is hilarious! What are you talking about here? “Lieberstraum” is an etude of Chopin’s…I guess we are fighting to preserve the wonderful piano music of Chopin, too.
Did you possibly intend a Nazi reference here? I think the song name you’re looking for is “Horst Wessel,” the beer hall putscht anthem of the Sturm Abteilung, because….(wait for it) “Bush is Hitler, ya wohl?”