6th graders vote global warming is not caused by man
posted at 9:30 pm on March 23, 2007 by Ian
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It seems indoctrinating students into believing man-made global warming is real, is not working. Most mornings on the way to and back from class I listen to the Tom Marr show and I always hear several calls a week from parents complaining about “An Inconvenient Truth” being shown in school, without showing an opposing view.
Humans don’t cause global warming, a jury of sixth graders at Trail Ridge Middle School concluded Thursday after hearing opposing arguments from their peers.
“They’re pretty young for this kind of thinking. They did great,” paleontology teacher Ken Poppe said after the 40-minute “trial” in his classroom
With Earth’s warming accepted as a tenet, pre-teen “lawyers” and “scientists” debated whether humans have caused it.
Eleven jurors listened intently as prosecutors and defendants flashed contradictory graphs tracking global temperatures, carbon dioxide levels, polar ice cap statistics, volcanic activity and sea surface temperatures — all of which were found Wednesday in the school’s computer lab.
“The earth has warmed and cooled over many years. If it’s caused by CO2, why haven’t the charts shot up?” Poppe’s son and lead prosecutor Caleb argued during a rebuttal.
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Out of the mouths of babes.
spmat on March 23, 2007 at 9:34 PM
By Tuesday Gore will have dropped by with cookies, milk, pizza, and ipods. By the time the kids get home they will be dressed as Pan and turning in their parents as deniers.
Limerick on March 23, 2007 at 9:39 PM
At the age of 13, they all turn into morons until they’re 32.
HerrMorgenholz on March 23, 2007 at 9:40 PM
Al Gore, are you smarter than a 6th grader? Nope.
ReubenJCogburn on March 23, 2007 at 9:46 PM
I heard this on Rush earlier today.
There is hope for the future and our young.
The news has been VERY good lately. Change of direction in Baghdad is working beyond all expectations. Cowardly, greedy, craven dems are still valiantly trying to lose the war. W standing up and calling the dems on their pandering political crap.
I can’t wait for the ever cracking facade of radical left-controlled dem party to finally shatter and collapse in front of the eyes and ears of the American Public and the world.
It needs to happen. The dems are in serious need of an intervention.
techno_barbarian on March 23, 2007 at 10:13 PM
Oh yeah, and Fred might actually run.
(RUN FRED, RUN!)
Thompson/Steele 2008
//It’d be great for the Country
techno_barbarian on March 23, 2007 at 10:15 PM
QED
TheBigOldDog on March 23, 2007 at 10:18 PM
Wise kids.
DakRoland on March 23, 2007 at 10:18 PM
I can just hear the kooks deriding those “inconvenient unaborted ones”.
Good for them! Maybe we’re winning afterall…
SouthernGent on March 23, 2007 at 10:24 PM
This tells me that the progressive, liberal alarmists have less emotional and intellectual acuity than someone nearing puberty.
Not necessarily a bolt from the blue for me.
SailorDave on March 23, 2007 at 10:28 PM
You win for picking up the bank shot on the anti-life crowd.
SailorDave on March 23, 2007 at 10:30 PM
Since science is now defined by consensus, this vote suits just fine.
petefrt on March 23, 2007 at 10:34 PM
Thompson/Steele 2008?
Ewwww, that sounds like a winner! Techno, should I say I heard it first from thee?
petefrt on March 23, 2007 at 10:36 PM
Leonidas has rejected the Goracle. Fighting shall take place during the Carnaeia.
fusionaddict on March 23, 2007 at 10:47 PM
This story has to frighten the Left. More and more people, even children now, are coming to the conclusion that Global Warming is a myth and that they have been taken for a ride. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming has been a huge bestseller.
januarius on March 23, 2007 at 11:01 PM
Thompson and Steele? That sounds….so……AWESOME!
wryteacher on March 23, 2007 at 11:06 PM
Dang it REUBEN! ya beat me to it :)
hilarious
Love yer name too BTW
-Wasteland Man
WastelandMan on March 23, 2007 at 11:09 PM
I’m sure that Gore’s persuasive re-education camps will change their little minds. I also have a feeling that the left won’t mind a little waterboarding so much in this case.
Buzzy on March 23, 2007 at 11:42 PM
The “Global Warmers” are obviously in big trouble…. they can’t even fool the kids.
Maxx on March 24, 2007 at 12:13 AM
Well, if it’s the first time you’ve heard it, sure. ;)
As much as I would love to lay claim to first on that one, however, I can not. I’m sure I’m not the first to suggest it. I just really think it would be a team I could trust and support. I haven’t felt that way about any of the other candidates… even though neither of my choices have actually announced that they’re running. Yet.
But think about how powerful that team could be. An historical and media dream come true. And if they do a good job, we get either more Fred, or the first real African-American President. I’d be happy with either one of those outcomes. The first African-American President SHOULD, and I hope will, be Republican.
Steele is someone that I believe all of America could actually embrace and be proud of. Not because of his race, but because I believe he’d do a great job. I was stunned that he was defeated in November.
Same thing about Santorum. I’ve not heard anyone in the politcal leadership speak as knowledgably or well as Santorum on the global war against the jihadis. It’s like the People just don’t want good responsible leadership.
And now al-goracle has an oscar and near god-like status. I’m once again stunned that large numbers of people continue to see and fawn over this foolishness. This would-be carbon-offset emperor is looking mighty naked (yikes, mental skid mark from that one, for sure). Sheesh. People who actually succumb to this extortion are gonna kick themselves when all this lunacy is unmasked.
Slowly but surely, it’s happening. ‘Bout damned time.
techno_barbarian on March 24, 2007 at 12:19 AM
A friend, L.B., said:
6th Graders are more intelligent than Stephen Hawking.
The China Daily asked Hawking about the environment, and he responded that he was “very worried about global warming.” He said he was afraid that Earth “might end up like Venus, at 250 degrees Celsius and raining sulphuric acid.”
In an ABC News interview in August 2006, Hawking explained, “The danger is that global warming may become self-sustaining, if it has not done so already. The melting of the Arctic and Antarctic ice caps reduces the fraction of solar energy reflected back into space, and so increases the temperature further. Climate change may kill off the Amazon and other rain forests, and so eliminate one of the main ways in which carbon dioxide is removed from the atmosphere. The rise in sea temperature may trigger the release of large quantities of methane, trapped as hydrates on the ocean floor. Both these phenomena would increase the greenhouse effect, and so further global warming. We have to reverse global warming urgently, if we still can.”
Ropera on March 24, 2007 at 1:24 AM
Although its encouraging and a ray of hope I don’t take a lot of stock in 6th graders’ critical thinking. It may have depended upon how popular the prosecutors or defendants were, or maybe they were being anti-establishment. There’s just too much dumbing down going on today in the public schools.
When I was in 6th grade at Sam Houston Elementary in Midland, Texas in 1962 I debated a classmate on whether slavery was ok for the South before the Civil War. I took the against slavery side and the other fellow – a much more popular and cool kid than me – took the pro slavery side. Granted, I was no F Lee Bailey. The class voted that slavery was ok – I was very disappointed, but realized it was my opponents popularity that won – not his argument since he had none.
I doubt a similar pro-slavery debate would have the same results today. By the way, George W attended the same school four years earlier.
Texas Mike on March 24, 2007 at 1:44 AM
Here’s the thing…CO2 has increase steadily since about 1900. Temperatures have not risen steadily. Since 1998, they have been nearly flat.
These two things do not correlate with each other in the simplistic way the enviro-lefties make it sound.
It’s not rocket science. What the enviro-lefties preach ain’t science at all.
TABoLK on March 24, 2007 at 1:51 AM
I teach 6th graders. They can be quite insightful.
Mojave Mark on March 24, 2007 at 2:20 AM
They became disenchanted with Gore’s Global Warming Scam when they learned that his carbon offset scheme would result in a surcharge being placed on “pull my finger.”
there it is on March 24, 2007 at 8:44 AM
So it turns out Gore is smarter than
graders. Don’t you just hate over-achievers.
honora on March 24, 2007 at 8:59 AM
Guys, come on these kids are obviously in the pocket of big oil. Either that, or, they’re CIA or Joos.
Right Tracker on March 24, 2007 at 9:59 AM
We need an investigation complete with subpoenas. We have the right to know how Rove got to these kids.
Wade on March 24, 2007 at 10:44 AM
well i guess when 90% of the worlds scientists disagree with you this is the kind of thing you need to take solace in.
crr6 on March 24, 2007 at 10:47 AM
Evidence that No Child Left Behind is actually working.
RedinBlueCounty on March 24, 2007 at 10:57 AM
Opposing views, what a novel idea.
I’m starting to like the Idea of a Fred-Newt run at he Whitehouse.
Fred can run on center right principles ala Reagan and Newt can harangue and harass the Liberal candidates and not really even have to campaign until after the convention.
Speakup on March 24, 2007 at 11:08 AM
crr6, your statement about 90% of scientists is a lie.
And have you ever heard of that pesky thing called the Scientific Method? It requires you have a theory, test the theory and come to conclusion. First, the Globalwarmers have a theory and a conclusion, based on around 100 years data.
A valid scientific sample, in this case, would have to be FAR more than 100 years out of the millenia of Earth’s livespan to accurately discern a pattern.
Let me dumb it down for you…this would be like me taking a millisecond of your life and using it to predict what you were going to accomplish 10 years down the road. (Now where idiotic statements like yours tell me your an idiot…they don’t tell me what you’re gonna do 10 years on, for sure.)
Besides, meteorology currently can’t get tomorrow’s forcast solidly predicted. And we’re supposed to believe Algore??
Now…grow up, you overemotional retarded alarmist troll.
tickleddragon on March 24, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Oh…and…
THOMPSON / STEELE ‘08!!
tickleddragon on March 24, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Maybe one of those kids got hold of a link like this one and spread the word. Pretty good article that adds another to the growing pile of the solar activity / global warming link.
crosspatch on March 24, 2007 at 12:46 PM
overemotional? Does anger count as an emotion because then you would certaintly fit that characterization more than I would.
you’re right, i mistyped, a panel of the world’s scientists said it was 90% certain that global warming is occuring,and humans are very likely to blame. Why would such a large group of scientists be so shortsighted and not use the “scientific method”? Is it because they have a secret liberal agenda!?!? Keep drinking that Kool-Aid.
crr6 on March 24, 2007 at 2:03 PM
No,they have an overt agenda to keep getting funding. Unless climate is a “CRISIS!!!!!” all of the research grants from government, business, and private organizations (and that is, as Sagan would say, “billions and billions of dollars”) would go to those stinking doctors, virologists, and microbiologists for AIDS, cancer, and other medical research.
TABoLK on March 24, 2007 at 2:51 PM
I am 100% certain that at any given time the globe is cooling or warming and that it does so in cycles that occur over time and that these cycles are of long duration. The “Little Ice Age” was not a single year event and neither was the Medieval Warm Period or the Holocene Optimum or the Younger Dryas. All of these have happened in this interglacial.
How do you explain the fact that as glaciers recede in the Alps, they are exposing 5000 (carbon 14) year old tree branches? How did those branches get under that ice? I don’t think Republicans put them there.
crosspatch on March 24, 2007 at 3:22 PM
crr6
The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) claims to have 2,500 “Top Scientist” that agree man-made Global Warming is happening. However, Professor Richard Lindzen, IPCC & M.I.T, was on that list at one time, but has now been removed. According to Professor Lindzen he to threaten the IPCC with legal action before they would remove him from the list. He appears in the documentary “The great Global Warming Swindle” and has this to say about the IPCC’s list:
Professor Paul Reiter, IPCC & Pasteur Institute,Paris, had this to say about the IPCC’s list:
But if you are still impressed by the IPPC’s list of 2,500 then you will be REALLY impressed by this petition signed by over Seventeen-Thousand people, mostly with advanced degrees in such fields as physicist, geophysics, climatology, meteorology, oceanography and environmental scientists etc., who’s credentials have been independently verified and who adamantly disagree with the IPCC’s conclusion that global warming is man-made.
Last time I checked 17,000 is a bigger number than 2,499. The kids got it right!
If your not closed minded about this and are really seeking the facts, then this documentary provides a good overview …. but is by no means the only information to obliterate the absolute fraud of man-made global warming.
Maxx on March 24, 2007 at 4:24 PM
Okay, so why is Mars heating up? SUV’s, Martian cow flatulents, Martian coal, what?
We have history to help us too here. The Vikings used to grow crops on Greenland and the Brits had vineyards way back in the middle ages. Guess what? The earth got hotter! Then it cooled back down. Now it’s heating up. Get it? It’s independent of man. On the other hand, Man Made Global Warming is 100% caused by malignant narcissism, arrogance, and hubris.
Besides which we have a nuclear winter coming anyway, so it’s in our best interests to make sure we heat up the earth as much as possible to attenuate the effect of when we glass Iran, Syria, and North Korea.
Mojave Mark on March 24, 2007 at 4:46 PM
well i guess when 90% of the worlds scientists disagree with you this is the kind of thing you need to take solace in.
crr6 on March 24, 2007 at 10:47 AM
Pray tell, who might these so=called 90 percent be? Just a few names please. After all 90 percent of the worlds scientists should be a very large number so you should be able to list a few names. [Kindly leave out all those associated with psuedo sciences since they are likely to know little about climate control or meatorology]
docdave on March 24, 2007 at 7:23 PM
90% are afraid to voice their opinion for fear that the politicians that pay them will cut off their research funding and end their career.
Here’s the thing … as long as there is all this hype, there is some increase in demand for climatologists and associated research. This is a good time to be in that line of business. If this hype were to end, they would end up going back into the background having to fight tooth and nail for research funding.
Another way of looking at it is that pre-global warming, most research was funded from academia. These days government is interested too. This makes more money available in that field of research. They aren’t about to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs and Al Gore isn’t about to do anything that would reduce the value of the carbon credits (which can be traded on commodities markets much like stocks are traded in stock exchanges) that he holds. Global Warming is worth a fortune to a lot of people. If it turns out to be false, the very people who we turn to for answers stand to be out quite a bit of easy money.
Here’s a sure-fire way to reduce global warming … have every roof in the entire country painted white. No lifestyle change required. It might trigger an ice age, though.
crosspatch on March 24, 2007 at 9:04 PM
I was shocked to read this article. Not because of its content or results, but because a public middle school permitted it to take place. What is happening here, education is being allowed without the intervention of a teacher’s union,the ACLU or even a misguided parent that expected him to present Al Gore’s global warming movie “An Inconvenient Truth” as indisputable facts? How dare they let children reason?
The school district, school administration, teachers and all that participated showed courage. Well done. Allowing students to have and open discussion based on balanced research is refreshing. I hope that this trend will continue and will spur other schools to do the same.
Having been born in Colorado I have always been proud that the citizens rejected the Winter Olympics to protect the natural environment of the Rockies. This is another proud moment for Colorado.
This nation needs many more educators like Ken Poppe.
im4eagles on March 25, 2007 at 4:44 AM
Karl Rove. Start an investigation.
Wade on March 25, 2007 at 9:59 AM
crr6,
I’m not the least bit angry…just really tired of hearing the bullsh!t that gullible idiots like you spew.
So the “panel” said 90% certain? Big harry deal. How many “scientists” were on the panel (don’t answer that. it’s irrelevent) Even IF that were a correct percentage, which it’s not, consensus is not Science. And I don’t care how many so-called scientists you stack up to say they agree with this, it doesn’t change the fact that the sample is not valid.
And these were probably the same moron “scientists” that said 30 years ago that we were headed for another ice age. Brilliant. Brrrrrr…it’s sooooo cold. (I mean, warm.)
Climate change is the norm for this or any planet. Nothing in nature remains constant. You enviroMENTAL types keep screaming that we look at the big picture…but your “big picture” is, again like looking at a few miliseconds of a human life. Hate to tell you, Sparky, but all living things, including the Sun, planets and our Earth have a life cycle, and WE don’t control it.
tickleddragon on March 25, 2007 at 11:01 AM
Oh, and you fit RIGHT in to Evan Sayet’s description of a “modern liberal”…not the least interested in or capable of critical, logical thought.
tickleddragon on March 25, 2007 at 11:04 AM
This is laughable.You’re essentially saying that even if there is a scientific consensus,it means nothing because you and your 4th grade definition of the scientific method disagree. It was a mistake to engage you in discussion, carry on with your raucous drivel.
crr6 on March 26, 2007 at 1:02 AM
Bah! They have not yet learned to stop thinking for themselves. The indoctrination will continue.
morganfrost on March 26, 2007 at 9:53 AM
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