here’s what will probably happen before long. Some Christian kid will say something that a PC principal will find objectionable, and that kid will get suspended from school. This case would back up that call, and free speech would take a massive hit on school campuses.

Look up the Tyler v. Poway School District case in the 9th circuit. That is exactly what happened. A kid wore a t-shirt with the saying “Homosexuality is shameful” and was suspended.

bookwurm322 on March 21, 2007 at 8:59 PM

That is just one case among uncounted possibly thousands!

One child in Kindergarten or pre-school, age 4 or 5, sat and bowed his head to pray silently during recess before eating his snack. That child was also suspended.

In other cases individuals and groups of children have been in trouble for religious related “offenses” and also for their political or philosophical point of view.

Conservative thinking children have been dipped in the fires of hell by irate, left wing teachers and students as well. Parents have also been put through the ringer when they discovered that their children were subjected to politically correct indoctrination, such as indoctrination regarding homosexuality, lesbianism, transvestite, transsexual matters and so on.

This is not just a joke, or a case of one kid stepping out of line.

This IS a test case which could bring the Hammer of Thor, or even the wrath of Odin down on anyone who does not toe the politically correct line of thought and speech!

William

here’s what will probably happen before long. Some Christian kid will say something that a PC principal will find objectionable, and that kid will get suspended from school. This case would back up that call, and free speech would take a massive hit on school campuses.

Look up the Tyler v. Poway School District case in the 9th circuit. That is exactly what happened. A kid wore a t-shirt with the saying “Homosexuality is shameful” and was suspended.

Oh to be young and foolish….with those fabulous recuperative powers!!!

http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/5063.html

For the record, this thread is – without exception – the funniest thread I’ve ever read here.

The comments are hi-larry-us. All of them.

It’s really to bad I don’t smoke dope … cuz I think it’d be a blast to hang out with every one of you goofs and get really, really stoned.

Jesus would, of course, be invited.

Thank God for beer.

Professor Blather on March 20, 2007 at 11:26 PM

Professor, you and Jesus are welcome any old time, and it wouldn’t be just any old smokeout, it would be a righteous BBQ!

What does Ann Coulter think?

Well, she is a Deadhead from way back…

Mazztek, I agree with Prof. B., if a kid starts smoking pot because he thought this kid’s sign was cool, then the kid had parenting problems to begin with.
Science is against you concerning the

benefits

of marijuana, especially to cancer patients.

And Holy Crap! is this a thread where a majority of commenters agree with the ACLU and defend marijuana (mostly) at the same time?

SouthernDem on March 20, 2007 at 10:12 PM

Okay, funny story. Or maybe not so much.

When I was maybe 15, my grandmother was dying of cancer. (Told you it was kinda not funny).

Back then, nobody’d heard of “medicinal marijuana,” but everybody also knew it helped with the nausea of chemotherapy.

(Sidebar: if you’re really opposed to a licensed physician prescribing marijuana – if that’s the most effective drug to use – then you are a nucking futhermocker, whatever your politics might be)

Where was I? Oh. So one day, my prim and proper mother comes up to me – a 15 year old punk – and says, “Hey, where can I score some weed at your school?”

The sad part? I didn’t have a good answer.

Someday, MY kids will KNOW where to get the weed. Oh, yeah. This stuff matters.

Did I mention how funny this thread is?

What does Ann Coulter think?

Romeo13 on March 20, 2007 at 11:20 PM

Sorry.

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Happens hourly in the Senate

The comments are hi-larry-us. All of them.

It’s really to bad I don’t smoke dope … cuz I think it’d be a blast to hang out with every one of you goofs and get really, really stoned.

Jesus would, of course, be invited.

Thank God for beer.

apparently lots more libertarians out there than I thought…

William2006 on March 20, 2007 at 9:20 PM

That’s all fine. It still doesn’t answer my question, though. Does a child have a constitutional right to promote drug use on school property?

I understand the issue from a legal point of view and also grudgingly agree with the ACLU.

My problem is when we let the patients run the asylum and some of the doctors are sampling their own meds in the process.

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Mazztek on March 20, 2007 at 8:57 PM

Now now, let’s not be too hard on ol’ Mazztek, his judgements about marijuana are obviously severely impaired.

You’re not driving right now, are you Mazztek?

Mazztek, I agree with Prof. B., if a kid starts smoking pot because he thought this kid’s sign was cool, then the kid had parenting problems to begin with.
Science is against you concerning the

benefits

of marijuana, especially to cancer patients.

And Holy Crap! is this a thread where a majority of commenters agree with the ACLU and defend marijuana (mostly) at the same time?

You must be high now, because you can’t stick to the subject.

The subject is a sign and free speech, isn’t it? You smoking something funny?

Read this one, tell me that drugs are just fine…

You can test positive for THC as long as 90 days after having smoked it. That means next to nothing re: impairment, particularly for someone who smokes pot frequently. I’d be more concerned with the Ecstacy she had taken.

And of course, there’s a big difference between using a substance and driving under the influence of it.

Mazztek on March 20, 2007 at 8:57 PM

Read em… one guy was a whacko to start with, and killed out of rage, somthing Pot probably did not bring on…

Girl fell asleep at the wheel… tragedy which pot may have attributed too, but I could pull up THOUSANDS of the same type of case a year due to alochol… while you had to DIG to find a few cases.

Did you know that on average 6 kids a year die because they drown in buckets???? People get hit with lightning too… sometimes bad things happen.

If the principal wins, here’s what will probably happen before long. Some Christian kid will say something that a PC principal will find objectionable, and that kid will get suspended from school. This case would back up that call, and free speech would take a massive hit on school campuses.

Bryan

Bryan,

How many practicing Christians do you know that while on school property would promote drug use?

Should children have a constitutional right to promote drug use while on school property?

.

GT on March 20, 2007 at 8:53 PM

“GT,”

I understand Bryan’s concern.

His concern is not in favor of “promoting drug use.”

His concern is for free speech issues and PC issues (PC – Political Correctness).

One clear, glaring example is the issue of homosexual and lesbian behavior and promotion of homosexuality and lesbianism, something which has been on the increase in public schools over the past few years. This has been manifest via classes and lectures in which small children, even as young as five years of age, and older, are indoctrinated into the world of homosexuality and lesbianism via book bags or packets about homosexuality in various aspects, as well as live homosexual organization lecturers, and videos and movies promoting homosexuality, all being shown without parental notification or permission, and often without the child even being warned in advance of the “program.”

When parents find out and complain they are often brushed off, because, you see, parents have no say in the school. In the school they run the show and courts have already found that parents don’t have a say in sexual education in the school, that the school has authority, a finding that came about as recently as this past year.

There are other areas where PC dogma will override parental and student free speech and preferences as Christians, or others, will be silenced regarding any statements regarding their religious beliefs, or speaking out against radical assaults on their personal beliefs.

In the ninth district court last year in the Bay Area, the courts found that it was perfectly okay for the school to teach Islam to students, in which they could have a jihad, an Islamic name, wear Islamic garb, have a prayer rug, a Q’ran, and on and on, and where the class was led in call and response “prayer” sessions by the teacher, all without notifying the parents and without the parents’ permission. This treatment is selective and privileged, for even kindergartners who bowed their head to pray silently before eating their snack at recess were suspended from school.

Students have had to sit and listen to teachers in middle and high schools grill President Bush and the US, but they are in big trouble if they speak out against their teacher’s diatribe.

There is a danger here and Bryan has the insight to see it.

I agree with Bryan in this one.

William

Read this one, tell me that drugs are just fine… http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2000/Mar-24-Fri-2000/news/13236333.html

1) Do you smoke pot? Or any other drug for that matter?

Yes, on occasion. I also drink on occasion. Have you ever had a beer? Alcohol is also a drug. You must be high now, because you can’t stick to the subject.
2) Do you want your kid(s) to smoke pot?

If I had kids, I would want them to think for themselves and exercise their best judgement in the matter. Hopefully drawing on values I would have instilled in them from a young age. If they were grown adults I would trust them to make their own decisions in life. oh! Could you be possibly getting the point?

3) Do you want your kid to have been the inspiration for someone else’s kid to have gotten into pot or any other drug?

By holding up a sign? What is this, Jedi stoner mind control? “These are not the joints you are looking for. Move along.” Gimme a break. The cool kids are doing it, so why don’t I? Ah, well. You missed the point.

4) What is next for this kid and what kind of future do you think is in store for your kids?

He’s probably working on his next joke sign, hopefully funnier than the last one.

The same future that is in store for us all, wherein the evils of pot will have ridiculously little impact.

You obviously didn’ read the links I provided.
infidel4life on March 20, 2007 at 7:05 PM

If the principal wins, here’s what will probably happen before long. Some Christian kid will say something that a PC principal will find objectionable, and that kid will get suspended from school. This case would back up that call, and free speech would take a massive hit on school campuses.

Bryan,

How many practicing Christians do you know that while on school property would promote drug use ?

Should children have a constitutional right to promote drug use while on school property?

.

And I’d like to see the kid’s parents beat the crap out of him for being such a punk.

I guess that’s too old-school. These days, the schools do the parenting, I guess. Too bad. If parents did their job (and were allowed to), we wouldn’t need the courts, schools, and government to deal with discipline issues.

Professor Blather on March 20, 2007 at 11:56 AM

Do you really believe that the parents should beat the crap out of their children like you said?

I find it difficult to believe that a parent who is not insane would truly think that beating the crap out of their child is really a good thing. By that logic we should all beat the crap out of anyone we find doing anything that offends us or ticks us off, or that we deem rude, irresponsible, or dangerous, such as cutting us off in traffic, pushing their shopping cart into us, then in front of us at the check out counter at the supermarket, saying something rude to us in public or saying something foul in public, and so on.

Heck, if we follow the same logic regarding strangers, people other than our children who really ARE offensive, and inconsiderate and who really do engage in dangerous behavior, we’d be beating the crap out of people several times per week. Our children do much less offensive stuff than they do.

If beating the crap out of children is such a good idea, when can we start tying thieves, rapists, murderers, etc., to the whipping post and whip them with the twelve foot long bullwhip as part of their punishment?

Let’s all approve of corporal punishment for all criminals.

We can even approve of corporal punishment for spouses who cheat on their spouse.

That’s it. Let the schools begin to employ corporal punishment in order to keep the kids in line and let the law be written that all parents must beat the crap out of their child if they do wrong, otherwise the state will beat the crap out of the child and the parent will be punished for not beating the crap out of their own child.

That would work.

I agree that parents should parent their children, but violent “disciplining” of children has not brought up children as saints. Many children who were raised with corporal punishment ended up as violent offenders. Many f the “gangs” of the old west were brought up by “parents” who “beat the crap out of them” and then the child ran away and went on to join gangs of outlaws.

Corporal punishment of children does have negative effects and is often done as a result of bad parenting in other areas.

Great Britain, which has used corporal punishment for a very long time, has among the highest concentration of S and M clubs in the world.

Coincidence?

I don’t think so.

Parenting of children involves more than beating the crap out of them. Parenting and disciplining children is very important and must not be neglected, or abused. It is important to form strong bonds with children from their birth on, in order to minimize the “need” for more severe methods of “discipline.”

William

What a bunch of crap!

They are all drugs! Marijuana is grown naturally, even in the wild. If people think it is so bad because it is a “drug” then they should not be two faced about it and think that alcohol is just fine.

Either drugs are bad, or they are not bad. Either they are acceptable, or they are not acceptable.

Outrage over marijuana but not alcohol which contributes to thousands of deaths via automobile deaths – driving under the influence, as well as cirrhosis of the liver, and other illnesses, plus violence against family members and others perpetrated by the person who ingested the alcohol, is selective outrage.

William