However, Look at it this way: If the Vatican said tomorrow it was against Bush and Iraq, would you change your point of view?

I’ll tell you what I told my Priest…please have the Deacon keeps his thoughts to himself! I don’t go to church for an anti-war rant. I also have let him know my feelings on In Vitro, abuse by the priest and the handling/or lack thereof and Gay Rights…He still stops by on his bike rides, he still sits at my kitchen table, and I have yet to be struck down by lightening! I get pleading calls to help with this and that…I am the best Catholic I can be at this time :)

You answered it yourself when you couldn’t muster up the vim to explain how Rudy Giuliani is any different than Joe Lieberman. If Rudy defines what a Republican is, then conservatives really don’t have a party.

Perchant on March 13, 2007 at 7:46 PM

I see where you are going. I thought you ment the text book definition of a conservative, but you were refering to the current state of conservatism. It all comes back to the size of the tent. Conservatives are welcome in the Republican party, but it’s up to them if they want to come. Some may argue that there are many forms of conservatism, but whatever.

69% of Americans agree.

That’s stupid, most people only know the MSM spin on what went down. I’d like to see a poll on how many people know that Armitage leaked the NON-classified information (making the term “leak” stupid anyway). Hell, I doubt that even 89% of the country has ever heard of Armitage. I’m sure that more than 69% think Libby leaked classified information that put a covert spy’s life in jeopardy. I bet 95% have no clue that Fitzgerald knew it was Armitage (know that Armitage is a Bush/Iraq war critic) before the investigation, and pointlessly proceeded anyway. As WE all know “leak” noise is just total bullsh**, but this accounts for that “69% don’t think he should be pardoned” stat. I wish we could count the amount of times “CIA leak trial” (a lie in and of itself) was uttered on network news, cable news, and on the front page of paperse across the country. I think it’s safe to assume it’s in the tens of thousands.

Fair enough. I don’t have the vim today to argue. I just didn’t understand your original argument that the conservatives are the real Rhinos. It was an inetesting statement, but I still don’t know what you meant by it.

Max Power

You answered it yourself when you couldn’t muster up the vim to explain how Rudy Giuliani is any different than Joe Lieberman. If Rudy defines what a Republican is, then conservatives really don’t have a party.

Except for the issue of terrorism/wot, Rudy’s beliefs are in lockstep with the “9/11 truthers”.

How is Giuliani any different than Lieberman?

Perchant on March 13, 2007 at 6:36 PM

Fair enough. I don’t have the vim today to argue. I just didn’t understand your original argument that the conservatives are the real Rhinos. It was an inetesting statement, but I still don’t know what you meant by it.

Maybe I didn’t have enough coffee today. I guess I don’t follow your argument.

Anyhoo, I’m Rudy all the way. The Republican tent is big enough for all the current candidates. The “Newt or nothing” people are so deluded, they are like 9/11 truthers, IMHO.

Max Power

Except for the issue of terrorism/wot, Rudy’s beliefs are in lockstep with the “9/11 truthers”.

How is Giuliani any different than Lieberman?

How does that follow from my comments? How do you define “non-problematic Republican website”?

I think it’s right to point out that conservatives are the true RepublicansInNameOnly.

Perchant on March 13, 2007 at 4:49 PM

Maybe I didn’t have enough coffee today. I guess I don’t follow your argument.

Anyhoo, I’m Rudy all the way. The Republican tent is big enough for all the current candidates. The “Newt or nothing” people are so deluded, they are like 9/11 truthers, IMHO.

Doesn’t this put added pressure on the GOP to nominate a moderate and try to snatch back some of those blue-trending voters?

Yep. That’s worked well in the North. Republicans ALWAYS get elected up there, right? /sarcasm

With fully 19 months to go until the election, should this concern us? Quote: “Just 34 percent of all respondents said they had a favorable view of the Republican Party, and that is the lowest it has been since December 1998

Nov 2000 – Dec 1998 = ~23 months
Nov 2008 – Mar 2007 = ~20 months

So, no… it means nothing.

With fully 19 months to go until the election, should this concern us?

Not at all. The NYT/CBS poll didn’t consider others entering the race (because they probably hadn’t spotted the Thompson picture yet, or didn’t want to because it doesn’t fit their projection).

Thompson/Giuliani, or Giuliani/Thompson, or them in any other combination suits me fine. Perfection is not out there, for any of us. This scenario makes me very hopeful/happy, and not worried yet. The current spectacle in D.C. is fairly entertaining, and so long as Messrs Bush/Cheney are there, warts et all, it’s not that dangerous.

The Republican Party needs someone like Mr. Thompson to get them out of the doldrums. The WoT will not end any time soon (20-30 years) and we need a strong person, with vision and conviction, to lead these U.S. of America.

What happened in Nov. ‘06 is self-inflicted and the conservatives/independents only have themselves to blame. Let’s wake up then, quit moping and fight to keep the Left out of that great house.

Feel free not to read the site or comment, Perchant. Plenty of non-problematic Republican websites out there for you.

Allahpundit

How does that follow from my comments? How do you define “non-problematic Republican website”?

I think it’s right to point out that conservatives are the true RepublicansInNameOnly.

- The Cat

He is an imperfecr flawed man (just like most of us) that I do not agree with 100% on the issues.

He is also the one candidate on the Republican side that can BEAT any of the Demo frontrunners.

Hillary can’t beat Rudy. Rudy takes NY and without NY, no Dem can win.

Try to think strategically people. Maybe we can get Mitt on as VP to throw a bone to the Cultural Conservatives.

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I believe the pope already has come out against the war on many occassions. However, he has also spoken against birth control, abortion and homosexuality and that didn’t seem to sway many catholics.

So you’re saying that we should vote for a person who claims to be a religious follower, who would sell out his personal and moral obligations in order to gain votes?

We should trust this person why?

Your explanation just gave us more reason to NOT like this man.

Gregor on March 13, 2007 at 3:53 PM

if you want to characterize it that way, yes. For the most part politicians do what the people that put them in office expect and what they campaign on. I think Mitt is a northern Bill Clinton.

Take Santorum for example, he held the social conservative views and barely got elected in Penn., then look what happened to him.

Remember, Reagan wasn’t the best family man in the world. Produced two idiot children and was divorced, however his policies were very pro-family. I want to elect someone that will get things done and beat Hillary, if they aren’t perfect then oh well.

What I mean is I think there is good chance he’s not really pro-choice, that it was a “All politics are local” thing and that he really would be a pro-life president since he’s campaigning on that.

I also think, the fact Mitt is a mormon means he’s very likely really pro-life himself, not just as a calculating politician trying to appeal to moonbat voters.

jp on March 13, 2007 at 3:40 PM

So you’re saying that we should vote for a person who claims to be a religious follower, who would sell out his personal and moral obligations in order to gain votes?

We should trust this person why?

Your explanation just gave us more reason to NOT like this man.

Zetterson on March 13, 2007 at 3:38 PM

That’s been my take on the potential candidates too.

As long as they’ve been shown to deliver on their campaign promises and they are promising me conservative principles, I don’t have a problem with them.

Would I rather elect a conservative that has always been a conservative and I know for certain lives and breathes conservativism….sure.

However, if I found out Reagan was actually a liberal that just did and said conservative things because he thought it would help him get elected….well, my opinion of him personally would go down, but, I’d still be willing to vote for him as long as I was confident that he would still enact conservative policies.

Same goes for Rudy, Mitt, and the rest of them. McCain’s the only one I have a problem with, but, that’s because he talks the conservative talk, but seems to walk the liberal-ish walk.

69% of Americans agree.

I wonder what the poll numbers would be regarding prison time for Sandy Burglar.